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Precide:
i dont bliv there is a non-violent muslim group in dis world. Just dat yoruba muslims gat small craze compared to d ab.okis and xtians easily and wisely cool their insanity. But say what? They are fvcking violent

You need tutorials about history and Islam. I think you've seen too much Hollywood and probably cos the satanic group called boko haram erroneously claim islam. There are Christian fanatics in the world too. And history still has it that one of the greatest evils perpetrated in the name of religion is the Crusades.

BishopMagic:
Why is there no boko haram insurgency on moslem dominated northwest?

Mr Bishop try get sense

Its very simple, Boko Haram has its main activities in the North East, covering Chad, Cameron and Niger. We've heard of strikes in Niger, Kano, Kaduna and Sokoto States. Is it very hard for you to believe that Muslims are also victims?

anuma1:
Islam is the worst Religious group ever

Always read the article before making comments. If this short post is too long for you to read, wait for other comments, read them, and then add yours. It's pretty simple. And by the way, Islam is not a religious group.

Marry them both. Call it any name you like, polygamy or whatever. Prophets did it in your Bible and God sanctioned it. Read about Sarah on one part and Hannah on the other. There's nowhere in the Bible that forbids you from polygamy. I think the passages even favour polygamy over monogamy. Monogamous marriage is simply western idea indoctrinated into Christianity , don't be slavish about it, it's never part of your religion.

It's called sadd dharia. Cutting it from the source. When both sexes are easily mixed in religious gatherings, it could sway other people's genuine intentions to worship. Plus, every religion has its own set of rules. That was a flagrant violation. It's pretty common nowadays when we all call ourselves true worshippers. Showing off is the in thing now, even the churches are not spared. Let's be tolerant about religious views. Stop fighting over cheap points.

Mogidi:
Thank God there's no discrimination in Christianity, the God of women is the God of men. Women should be allowed to pray where they want.

It's not discrimination, and the earlier you understand the reasons, the more you'll find love in your Bible as well. I personally think the 'real' discrimination against women is more pronounced in the Bible. Don't judge us if you're not part of us, cos you don't understand us. :-)
:-D

I think he meant his comment to be nice, but wasn't totally polite enough for me.... Most intelligent among the immigrants in the US falls short of most intelligent in the US. Dude, we are very brilliant, compared to the entire US citizenry.

They simply don't want to give him a chance Cheap points hurriedly to the guillotine But what better way have they advance Loud noises alone from an empty tin The wise have joined constructively and perchance We'll have a better future, a better scene

I think we have to start somewhere. And it begins with our positive attitude, not with an opinion like the OP's. Even if the refineries will get functional in years to come, we should think about taking control of our own products and creating jobs. I think our economy will be better by driving a few oil barons out of the system and creating jobs for thousands of Nigerians.

flint59:
The man you called cluless re-opened the rail lines .. if he hadn't it won't have been possible for this to happen

Bros... I have never called anyone clueless. Chillax, we are all in the Nigerian project. The question is, are we ready for progress or to remain on the same page? You might be president tomorrow, so I think we should join hands on constructive criticism.

The modern rail system has been the main crux of civilization in many parts of the world. I remembered getting wowed at a BBC documentary on China's rail system. 320km/h and created lots of jobs. This might be a long shot, but I believe we'll be able to reduce our unemployment rate and in the end, solve the ghastly motor accidents on our roads. Critics should be positive, even if they're with the umbrella. These trains will definitely propel us for greater things to come. I'm only disappointed that at this stage, those who hate buhari are still bittered, they ought to look at Nigeria first, not any selfish interest.

Ifeann:
Just look at how childish u are. Look at ur words and I quote"Do you want me to start? Are you ready for them?"

Go right ahead.
The bible is a huge book unlike the quran. It contains thousands of years of Jewish history, the wars they fought, the empires that conquered them, and punishment for breaking the law etc. So yes violence should be recorded in it. Even Christ was murdered violently and Moses wiped out the Egyptians. pursuers violently.

But did I say there is violence is the quran?, NO that's not what I said.

Of course there are tonnes of violence in the quran (the book is a bigoted vile book) but what I said was "There are over100 commands to fight or kill non-muslims in the quran."

your tiny quran contains so much commands to murder or fight people because they reject Mohammed and his anti Christ spirit, do u deny this?

So quote all u want from the old testament verses u appeal to in ur ignorance or those cherry picked verses from the new testament that are either parables or allegorical.

Your knowledge of the Quran is increasing by the day. Ma sha Allah. All I see in your comment is that yes, both scriptures have notions of violence but you quickly gave justifications to the biblical references. Well, if you understand 'taqiyyah' (in literal terms though) we should update your your Quranic vocabulary too. There's something we call (sababul- nuzul) while interpreting the quran. It will assist your quest. Please read. I honestly admire your interest in Islam. You're simply following a verse of the Quran by your zeal.

You pick the verses you want, give them interpretations you want, and pass your judgment on them.... That's not scholarly at all. I think you should start by reading both views. Don’t complain of cherry picking if you do the same.

I don't think it helps. It only fuels your anger and hatred more. Nobody is perfect and 'monitoring' will only allow your eyes to feed on your partner's secrets and flaws, which you also have. Whenever you're in doubts, call your partner and discuss as opined above. Communication helps a lot. I once monitored an ex and it became a disease. I wish I had used all those time for better things. We ended up breaking up cos I discovered lots of things that I found difficult to erase. I'm pretty sure if she had 'monitored me too, the same thing might have happened. In sum,' monitoring ' is like playing God. Start appreciating the good things in your partner and discuss things you find inconvenient.

Ifeann:
Read my past posts (which have not been deleted) and learn more, u will have the benefit of seeing Muslims attempts at explaining the events/commands and also their miserable defense for Mohammed as well as choice insults.

Please read through my past posts or follow me on nairaland if u can. I always post the verses. Besides the muslim did not deny the allegations because he knows the information is all there in the quran and hadiths and I have posted them previously.

And I want to point out to you that devout Muslims are the jihadists and extremists who know the commands in the quran and hadiths

Qur’an 9:73—O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”


Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Etc

AND not the moderate muslim lawyer or banker who recites the quran in 7th century classical Arabic without knowing what it means or who knows the classical Arabic or English translation but living in denial of what Islamic allah wants of him.

There are always simple answers to reply people of little knowledge about Islam and a biased one at that like you.

Those verses are contained in suratul tawbah. Quran 9. And they were revealed during war. You can Google more about it. Or ask a Muslim close to you for explanation. Please, again, the Quran cannot be read in isolation. Its more than a work of art, and a divine book without blemish. Have you ever completed the whole quran? Read it in full please. I'm sure you'll change your tune.

basilico:
Your prophet was a highway robber, a paedophile, a rapist, a murderer, a fetish crazed animal.
We can quote your books to support all my assertions.
You believe in a criminal.
I repeat . If you enact his lifestyle today You will be jailed for a long time.

Thanks.

Ifeann:
I really should be ignoring you but I have to point out to any reader that I was not wrong with that verse. Mohammed informed Muslims to beat their wifes in that verse, u quoted an esoteric translation that feeds ur Disney land version of Islam. I will post some other quran translations agreeing u should beat ur wifes with a branch. In the meanwhile I am still waiting for ur screen shot of quran4:34 which clearly says beat ur wife if u fear rebellion.

Chapter Name:Sad Verse No:44
وَخُذْ بِيَدِكَ ضِغْثًا فَاضْرِب بِّهِ وَلَا تَحْنَثْ إِنَّا وَجَدْنَاهُ صَابِرًا نِعْمَ الْعَبْدُ إِنَّهُ أَوَّابٌ {44
038:044Khan
:"And take in your hand a bundle of thin grass and strike therewith (your wife), and break not your oath. Truly! We found him patient. How excellent (a) slave! Verily, he was ever oft- returning in repentance (to Us)!
038:044Sarwar
:We told him, "Take a handful of straw. Strike your wife with it to fulfill your oath." We found him to be patient. What an excellent servant he was. He was certainly most repenting.

038:044Shakir
:And take in your hand a green branch and beat her with It and do not break your oath; surely We found him patient; most excellent the servant! Surely he was frequent m returning (to Allah).

Just when I thought she'll stop the noise making, eat a humble pie and lay it to rest. Well, I will repeat it again. Your translations are only yours and again, like I said above, Quran 38 v44 that you've quoted HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WOMEN AT ALL. The stick (green branch) was used by Prophet Job to initiate his recovery from illness. Please stop copying or putting your own words in the scripture. Copyright commission might come after you!

On a more serious note, please check the preceding verses to understand it. There's nothing to hide.

And finally, I take enough time to read your comments before replying to them. Please exchange the same courtesy.

Other translations can be found on this link. http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=38&verse=44

Ifeann:
Pls remember to post a screenshot of 4 :34 and not just a quran version or translation that hids the meaning of the original Arabic. Eg Ali's translation.

I like your way of admitting the truth. You've just admitted that you're wrong with that verse, conducted more research then came back armed with 4:34. I thought you said you were done with me? The verse you quoted FYI, deals with the historical account of prophet Job on his recovery. It has nothing to do with women. Well, check the verses you earlier made reference to, 4:34 is among those verses. Maybe your continuous copying and pasting caused it.

See, Islam has its own rules, it's a way of life, very comprehensive and complete (once again, read all the verses, not some). I'm sure you'll agree with me that cultural relativism plays a big role, not only in Islam, but all cultures of the world . The mistake people make is casting their judgment on other people's culture without proper investigation.

A literal understanding of 4:34 can in no way give you the true meaning of the verse. That's why I said earlier that you should consult proper books and be fair with criticism. The word 'daraba' used in the verse is literally translated to 'beating'. But like all languages of the world, the speakers have many meanings to a word. In any way, the 'beat' in the verse doesn't mean flogging at all. AND THERE IS NO REPORT OF THE PROPHET BEATING ANY OF HIS WIVES OR NONE WHICH HE APPROVED. Thus the necessary meaning has been given to the verse to mean a slight touch (just to show anger).

To an outsider like you, muslims beat their wives, but to an insider like me, Muslims have no right to strike their wives.

Going deeper may distort your understanding. I wouldn't like that. I'm sure one day, like many have found the truth in islam, you'll be a bit accommodating of our views. Let's be friends Please....

Ifeann:
From reading ur comment I can tell that u are an islamist. Why did u say the quran has given provision for Christian and jews as a defence for ur vile book, what right does it have to give provision other than it been a prejudiced and bigoted book. I know the provision, its convert, pay the jizyah (extortion money) or die.

And why did u say u can eat" my food". What kind of stupid statement is that. Does the earth not produce the food all humanity eats. I eat kebab which is littered across shops in Europe and run by Muslims and I know u Muslims recite some nonsense before killing the meat but as long as it is food from earth then it is food.

Its only Muslims that will classify food as Islamic or kaffir food. Bigots and segregationists. That's what u devout Muslims are.

I am done with u, u have little knowledge of Islam. U have no quotes to defend or explain your quran.

U can read these from the hadiths and quran and still say they are not commands for all time allegedly given to Mohammed by Islamic allah.

Sahih Muslim 8:29: “IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE.”
Sahih Muslim 8:3432: “Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (verse 4:24)" (i.e., they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).”

Quran 4:34:
" Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Qur'an (38:44) -
"And take in your hand a green branch
AND BEAT HER WITH IT,"

I now perfectly understand that you belong to those who would stop at nothing to ridicule islam. It has been said for more than 1400 years ago that people like you have your ears, eyes and mouth shut to the truth and will never see the truth, no matter what. I'll start from the last verse you quoted, which I believe will tell everyone reading this that you're not just under a guise of misconception, but an outright bi. got who would stop at nothing all in the name of doing what has made Islam grow even more. I have taken the screen shot of the verse you created below. Maybe you should write your own Quran.

http://quran.com/38/41-44

Ifeann:
I know all this because of research and study which on the contra u haven't done as is apparent from ur naive answer.

I wonder why u quoted that verse, and won't accept others that call for fighting nonmuslims.
Are u selectively blind.

Qur’an 8:12— Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

Qur’an 9:73—O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”

Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

I have read your verses in your post on the unlawful killings (exhausted?). those verses relate to specific events, check the events before their revelation. Plus, a careful reading of the hadith will give a similar result to the verses. I now see your misconceptions to islam. Point and kill analogy, very elementary, and devoid of proper research. The Quran has already given provisions about Christians, jews, and those without a religion. So, if you would permit me to go elementary like you, i will conclude that Islam has never contemplated unjustifiable killings by allowing Muslims to marry, lend from them and make provisions for their well being... I'm even allowed to eat your food! . Wow! Shocked? I guess you haven't done research to that point. Please read more.

Ifeann:
Apparently we have an islamist here. So u see no issue with caliph Abu Bakr killing apostates. Some of those that renounced Islam went back to Christianity, Judaism etc. So yes he killed Christians. This is Islam. Senseless killings promoted and embraced by Muslims.

Common, you don't need to twist it all to your favour to try to score a cheap point, even though none is conceded. Not when it's clear. Here's a religion you came into voluntarily, knowing the consequences of leaving, but yet you left. Law my dear, has its own validity. Maybe you should try treason and see whether the consequences will be a welcoming hand of Mr. President.

Ifeann:
Apparently u Muslims like to point out the crusades that happened hundreds of years ago to justify the jihad that has been goin on for 1400 years.

U forget that Muslims provoke Christians till they resorted to going on the crusade in disobedience to the teachings of Christ. Do u know u guys wiped out the Byzantine empire because the crusades failed to save them but at least it stopped Muslims form claiming central and eastern Europe as well as liberating Spain from Muslims. Don't they teach u this in Islamic studies.
Do u think the Serbs just started killing Muslims for the fun of it. U Muslims provoke and promote Hatred everywhere and apparently the Serbs had enough.

look if u want, quote what u want to try and misrepresent in the Bible, any smart person who checks the verses will see ur deceit but I quote the commands from the quran and u Muslims can't refute it because ur quran says its commands are for all time and its commands to fight are not abrogated. Do u know more than allah? Will u refute ur Islamic god.

As much as I hate what I'm doing with you. I can't just help smiling at your misconceptions. You've just given justifications to atrocities. It can't get any worse. engage in positive and accurate criticisms. Honest critics point out the good as well, not only those they're not convenient with. My Quran teaches me to deal with you in the best manners. It says in Q 16 v 125:


Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.

So I'll urge you to please conduct a fair research. We can be friends!

Ifeann:
U really know little about Islam. U claim the killings are unjustifiable under Mohammed and khalifs after him,...lol...what an ignorant statement.

Apparently u are not aware that calipha Abu Bakr, Mohammed's father inlaw, who succeeded Mohammed was even more bloodthirsty than Mohammed and murdered thousands as they renounced Islam after Mohammeds death. Don't u read ur Islamic history.

Easy Tiger, thanks for pointing it out. Caliph Abubakar didn't kill because they were Christians. He went after them because they renounced! Thanks for the clarification.

Ifeann:
The words maybe harsh to you but they are true nonetheless.
Please create topics like this in the section provided for u guys. U can report my comment if u like. Ur Islamic allah has no jurisdiction here man.

On a final note, why would you advise me to hate some Muslims. I don't hate people, its against my way of life. I do detest Islam and its villainy and I advise u to study more about Islam and read your hadiths if u want to know why.

Finding the truth about something may not be as easy as it meets the eye. To the Serbs who killed muslims, the truth is that they deserved to be killed, and same applies to the Christians who carried out the crusade. Maybe it's all wiped away from your own version of history, you may consult appropriate books.

Please don't get me wrong. I just feel you should be objective about your views of Islam. A holistic reading of the Holy Quran will be of help, not just a verse or two. I'm sure by now you know how much damage Muslims can do to the Bible in parts.

Again to the mods (not to you) , I am sorry if placing this content in the "Religion" section is wrong. I wonder how segregation has come to be identified on Nairaland, where muslims are not tolerated to share views while other religions can.

It's a shame, really. Those killings are unjustifiable, even under the Shariah. During the time of the Holy Prophet and indeed the khalifs after him, Christians and jews lived peacefully. I think it should be repeated that those verses quoted by the OP have their own relevance at a time. Mere reading of Shakespearean plays without the historical background to the plays may not ground a perfect understanding. I will therefore urge those who still take violence with islam to read the appropriate references and to those verses claiming non compulsion in accepting islam.

Ifeann:
If you want to inform ur fellow superstitious islamists of your nonsense pls do that in the Islam for Muslims section. Pls mods OAM4J, emusmith move this topic

"Superstitious Islamists", "nonsense". Those are kind of harsh aren't they? I guess I should click on the report button for your comment. But considering that you could have done that in a polite manner and you didn't, I'll respond by saying may Allah swt guide you to the religion of peace. You can hate some Muslims, but please don't hate Islam.

Whoever is the first to give another person
the news :: FAKE HADITH
The Prophet Sallallaahu alaihi wasallam has said,
“Whoever is the first to give another person the
news about the month of Rabi-ul-Awwal, the fire
of hell is Haraam for them”. Is this Hadeeth
authentic? If it is not, could you explain the
warning for those who circulate fabricated
Ahadeeth?
We have not come across a Hadeeth in which it is
mentioned that the fire of Hell is Haraam upon
the first person who gives the news about Rabi’ul
Awwal.
If this Hadeeth is fabricated and was not
mentioned by Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi
Wasallam, the person who fabricated the Hadith
as well as all those who convey the Hadeeth are
deserving of the severe warning of Rasulullah
Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam. Rasulullah Sallallahu
Alaihi Wasallam said, “To fabricate my words is
not like fabricating any other person’s words. The
person who fabricates my words should prepare
an abode for himself in the fire of hell.” (Sahih al
Bukhari, Hadith #: 1291).
Unfortunately, due to wide spread ignorance, e-
mails containing false information and fabricated
Ahadeeth are widely circulated. The creators of
such e-mails as well as those who forward them
to others should take heed of the severe warning
of Rasulullah Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam. It is
therefore imperative that one exercises caution
when one receives e-mails of such a nature
wherein there is no authentic reference
mentioned. Such e-mails or pieces of information
should be referred to reliable and learned scholars
for verification.
And Allah Ta’ala Knows Best.

Source : https://islamgreatreligion./2009/11/09/whoever-is-the-first-to-give-another-person-the-news/

Dear brothers and sisters in Islam. We may not
be very far from the myth of ignorance being a
commonplace. It's actually spreading like wild
fire. I recently received the fabricated hadith
forbidding hellfire to anyone who informs another
of the coming of the Holy month of ramadan. I
initially thought the fabrication was regarding the
month of Rajab and Rabiulawal alone, till I
received the one for ramadan. I wish to urge us
to always verify issues concerning religion before
putting it online. The effect is very severe as the
punishment of hellfire is guaranteed for
fabricators of the sayings of the prophet. Please,
before you forward that message to someone
else, read it, confirm it, or ask from those who
know. I do not claim any authority, this is just a
honest plea. Wa Allahu a'alam.