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educatedfool:
You should stop confusing your imagination with geopolitics.

Your entire argument depends on assumptions you can't prove. "Iran knows this." "Israel wants that." "The US thinks this." None of that is evidence.

When your previous claim collapsed, you simply invented a new explanation instead of admitting you were wrong.

That's not analysis. That's moving the goalposts.

Ok,
Evidence:
1. Khamenei, the supreme leader of your world's greatest superpower, was cleared out 30 seconds into the war.
2. Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of the "little Isrel," who did the clearing, is still alive, hale, hearty, and moving up and down in day light.
3. American president Trump that supported the strike, is still alive, hale and hearty.
4. Iran industrial complex, is destroyed
5. Iran nuclear sites, have been caved in
6. 90 Iranian generals, were cleared like christmas meat in the first 30 minutes of the war
7. Israel has lost more soldiers to Hezbollah than they have lost (actually zero) to Iran.

Facts.

Sladem05:
So the Taliban won cause they wore America out through political means. I already said that war is a political endeavour. Battles alone cannot win a war. War is multifaceted. You think it was only battles that brought down the Axis powers? No the Axis powers lost every way they possibly could be it economically, industrially, ideologically, militarily etc. you cannot bomb or punch your way to victory which is what people like you believe.

I could care less about what Afghanistan is doing cause like the western audience peoole like you focus on that to deflect from the fact that the Taliban beat NATO. . After the US took out Bin Laden, They should have left but they decided to stay and extinguish the Taliban. That did not just fail but literally backfired. I already stated that the Taliban are stronger now than before the Americans arrived.Before the U.S. invasion in 2001,The Taliban controlled about 90–95% of Afghanistan’s territory. control virtually 100% of Afghanistan’s provinces and all major cities, including Kabul. Taliban now are at a stronger point than at any other point of their rule. America and NATO just made the Taliban stronger and they spent 20 years trying to beat them.

You are just waffling on about rubbish😂. A superpower cannot win an asymmetric war especially just by bombing alone. Bro can’t accept this so called mighty US hasn’t even won a war since WW2. These wars we have been discussing are asymmetrical warfare.

Cho cho cho again.
"war is a political endeavour."

Again, I repeat, you are only lucky that America is not interested in fighting any war.
If it were, you would have understood that there is no political endeavor with Iraq as it was brought to its knees in one year.
You would have understood that the "Axis powers" were brought to an unconditional surrender through the brute force of the nukes.
No one did any political campaign. Saddam was not "politically negotiated" with. He was destroyed. Japan was not politically negotiated with. They were destroyed. Nazi Germany was not politically negotiated with. They were destroyed.

Iraq positioned itself as a valid contender with America. That is why it was destroyed. In fact, they proved it by powerfully fighting America, both on Land, Sea, and Air.
Iran is not a worthy contender. Even America knows. That is why no one is giving them the Germany, Japan, or Iraq treatment.
Na only one thing America dey interested in: don't have nukes. That is all.

If America was interested in something else, .

I will give an example: if at all, the closure of the hormutz straight is a threat to American interests, Iran will not survive 1 month. They are not 1/5 as powerful as Iraq was.

Sladem05:
Pain who? You are again making up things. Who said Iran is now the hegemon? No Iran is a middle power at best but them stalemating/beating the US shows that the US is no longer the undisputed hegemon. That is why I compared this war to the[b] Suez Crisis here the British Empire was confirmed to not be the world’s superpower anymore[/b]. This is the same for the US in Iran’s war. America has never been or looked weaker.

Suez crisis: 1956

America's domination as a world superpower: 1898

This one is coughing on Nairaland that Egypt made Britain stop being the world's greatest superpower.


I bet you don't even know what the Suez crisis is.

It was just like what Iran was doing: blocking the shipping route. Israel attacked, then France and Britain joined.
They were immediately pressured by the UNITED STATES to withdraw as they were already in Egypt, boots on the ground.
The United States opted for an "MOU," hoping to make Egypt an ally at Israel's expense.

The same route is playing out today, right?


But notice something: it didn't make Egypt a superpower.

XTruth:
Yes. You fought Iran with USA only to settle of a casefire lol.

Israel settle for a ceasefire?


Israel sef wey wan tear "no-keel" list.

Sladem05:
Lose? At the end of the day, not a single objective of the war has America achieved. A war is ultimately a political game.

IAEA stated that Iran still has 440 kg of uranium enriched to 60%.

They still have most of their productive capacity for their drones and missiles too. Not even western propaganda can save the US from this humiliating defeat

Ok Sir.
Iran is the world's greatest superpower.

After Iran, it is Nigeria, Lebanon and then Somalia.

Israel, America, India, and South Korea are on another list. Abeg no join them to that superpower list.

XTruth:
No Ishame for your stupidity I asked you the last time Israel attacked beruit you couldn't even answer.

But I just agreed with you that Iran is the world greatest super power na.
Abi? Why you still dey vex?

Israel is still pounding Lebanon EVERYDAY, and your Iran is not doing anything as they attempted to do the other time because of America's cover over them in the name of "MOU."

Now there is no cover. They are not responding to Israel's pounding of Souther Lebanon and Beriut.

But a Nigerian is forcing us to agree that IRGC is the worlds superpower.

Demonic01:
I anticipated your whack response and you couldn't fail to deliver it.

Maybe if your American masters got some balls, why don't they put boots on the ground after the last attempt on ishafan?

Why are they unable to topple the Islamic regime and install their democratic puppet in excile?

Did killing The late mullahs achieve any objectives for the US?

The Iranian's Navy and Airforce are gone but the Americans are yet to take control of Strait of hormuz. Why is Iran still controlling the strait without a navy? What is holding the Americans to sieze control of SOH and dictate the policies on their own terms?

Oh know! I bet you won't have the balls to counter these facts logically! Run along, boy!

Counter?
Oh so you notice that I am not countering your claims?
That is good.




Well, I will tell you why: arguments are for those who have an opinion and are willing to change their perspective based on facts presented by another person if it is more convincing. With someone who is not ready to see the truth and change, but prefers to hold on to a lie to keep their happiness, it is no more an argument, but a waste of time.



So, I agree with you:
The wiping of Khamenei didn't achieve anything
The wiping out of Al-Baghdadi didn't achieve anything
The wiping out of Gaddafi didn't achieve anything
The wiping out of Osama didn't achieve anything.

Al-Baghdadi's ISIS is still a powerful group, projecting power out of Syria
Osama Al-Qaeda is still a powerful group, projecting power out of Afghanistan
Libya is still an influential nation, projecting power out of North Africa

I guess, in the same way, IRGC, in some months, will still be a powerful group, projecting power out of Iran.

BigYash:
He no lie. Small X and yotube own when I dey do. I know how much I dey collect in a month.. And I no dey show my face o. Imagine him that's everywhere..

Ok Sir,
They are billionaires.

descartes400:
Helinuse, it like you don't know what's happening to all US military bases in the middle east ooh shior!!

Can you tell us the reason why most of the 13 US bases used by American troops in the middle east have been destroyed and empty and uninhabitable?.

Infact, the New York Times confirmed that Iran's bombardment of U.S bases across the middle east has forced American troops to abandon their installations and operate from hotels, office buildings and other improvised location---effectively fighting a major way while "working remotely" Imagine US troops working from hotels, and office buildings using civilians as human shield!! wonders shall never end oooo! Na Iran do this

And

If you believe only 16 US soldiers and zero Israelis soldiers have so far died in the war , I have the Nigerian presidential jet to sell to you for just #5000 pere!

Iran has severely degraded U.S military power in the middle east. It is no longer business as usual. And Iran did this without having a single Nuke....just with some you know... christmas fireworks...works like magic

The same NY Times that refused to publish the story on the crimes of Hamas on Oct 7, and immediately published a counter story on the same date by another outfit?
The NY Times, which is run by some immigrants who are ready to amplify the voice of the very small minority to be louder than the majority?

If such a media outlet says that Iran has destroyed NewwYork and Washington, D.C., I won't argue.

Sladem05:
They will not achieve any objective. America has not achieved any objective be it having Iran surrender, meaningfully degrading their drone and nuclear capability etc.
you are just a fool power projection? This is about trying to maintain dollar dominance nothing to do with power projection. But now that Iran is making ships start to trade in other currencies in Hormuz like Yuan that has hurt the US more. The whole purpose of the war was to make Iran surrender as Trump said but that has not happened at all 😂
Bro is so deluded.

The Iran War is America’s Suez Crisis signalling that the US is no longer undisputed hegemon.

This tin dey pain you fa.


America is no longer a hegemon,
Iran is now the hegemon.

Demonic01:
The American military don't have a single military base in Iran, that should ring a bell to you that they couldn't subdue Iran.

Your American masters are even scared to put boots on the ground, oh cry me a river dude!

Oboy!
That truly means that Yemen, Lebanon, and Nigeria, for example, without an American base, are all superpowers.
Nigeria is truly a superpower.


And he wants a river.

Believe these things at your own risk.




Nigerians just know how to exaggerate everything.

XTruth:
Lol. At least we agree Iran don't hid casualties like Israel does.

Yes, we agree.
Trump is gone.
Netanyahu is gone.
Khamenei is alive.

XTruth:
Look like to be an Africa jew you should lie blindly. Please when was the last time Israel attacked Beirut.


The last time Israel attacked beruit trump ran to make a deal with Iran. To prevent retailation.

Guy Iran na world power on it own no allies. If you doubt the capacity of Iran missiles why was Jordan trying to intercept them when it fired at Israel.

My guy, I shame for the head wey your questions commot from.


Ok, Iran na world power.
I agree.

helinues:
Make una commission factories, schools, laboratories

That one no dey produce kachallas na.
Na de main factory wey dey produce kachalla na'im we go commission.

No vex.

XTruth:
Lol the labanon resistance are killing your idf children killers but I should believe Iran missiles didn't nothing right.

Till you find out Israel hid the deaths of it former prime minister for 6 years you obviously understand what censorship is all about.

Imagine wining a war but asking Facebook to help you delete the post lol 😂 😂

Ok Sir,
Hezbollah is winning.
IRGC is winning.

The Supreme Leader is still alive. His kpayation by Israel was just propaganda. It was the Israeli Prime Minister who was keeled 6 years ago, that is, even before the war started.

Anything else that makes you happy?
Say it, let me add it to the list.

obacasmir:
You are Just delusional as those you just mentioned..
What exactly is. Making you happy? 😂
What do you stand to enjoy or you think trump wil give send you some money for support??
Omo you too dence o

Play your music,
Dance to your tune.

Make yourself happy.

frankson1:
Israel had stopped firing at Iran and the last time they did, there was retaliation.

Israel DARE enter a fight against Iran on their own, they knew this that was trump was dragged into it.

Make una leave this beer parlour gist wey pot-bellied men dey yarn when they're drunk.

Ok Sir,
Iran is winning.

educatedfool:
Why would Iran send rockets to Israel now when there hasn't been a recent Israeli attack on Iranian territory? From Iran's perspective, its missile strikes have generally been presented as retaliation rather than first strikes.

Whether people agree with Iran's actions or not, it's inaccurate to suggest they're refusing to attack because they're "tired" or "afraid." Right now, there isn't an ongoing exchange of direct attacks that they're responding to. If Israel launches another major strike, history suggests Iran would retaliate again.

Just recently, Israel attacked Beirut, and Iran sent Kin missiles, because they knew that the Americans would rein in on Israel and save them from the repercussions, since it was the peak of their negotiations.

Now, you are claiming that Israel didn't attack Iran.


You neva see chomchin.
Iran know that there is a rift between the US and Israel and now, Israel will always look for a gap to prove that the US don't control them.
Such proof may be fatal.
It simply means that in such a situation, the "no-keel" list is canceled.

And the IRGC doesn't want that situation.

ThunderFireAgba:
Anytime you call us Nigerian Iranian again, I will report you to the Nigerian Immigration and you will prove the status quo
Can't you see we are holding Trump on his small orange blokos?

Sorry Sir.

I apologeticalize.

descartes400:
Had it been Iran weaponry are weapons imported from US and Europe, they wouldn't have been able to go tit for tat with US. You see the advantage of being solely independent and military weaponry production indigenous.

Which Tit-for-Tat are they going for?



Scores:
IRGC: 5000+ fighters
America: 16 soldiers
Israel: 0 soldiers

Abeg, which kind of Tit-for-Tat is this?

heysquare:
Hook yourself to CNN and watch the damages the IRGC has done to US bases maybe you will believe the reality then. Iran has weaken and destroyed the US presence in the middle east. That is their war plan and they've been executing it strategically. The only way US can attack Iran if the war should escalated into full blown war will be trough water and that will be a difficult one for US which it is well known to them. US has lost the war because they underrated IRGC before entering the war. US plan was just two weeks after successful remover of their leaders but that didn't work as the Citizens did not come out to take over the govt. America failed woefully and lost bigly.

"That is their war plan and they've been executing it strategically"



Seems like this IRGC has many war plans that only Nigerian Iranians know about.


The IRGC was, in fact, OVERATED.
They mouthed that they were the most powerful country after America, Russia, and China.
And that was their greatest undoing. They made a Super Power like Israel treat them as a co-superpower, and that is why the first 30 seconds of the war resulted in the humiliation and the shame of the IRGC, exposing them to be a mere ragtag terrorista group with their only potent "strategy" as pirating the high seas as common criminals.




I hope you know that ALL the people who are negotiating with the US are only alive simply because Israel was restrained by the US with a "no-keel" list?



Was that part of their "war plan?"

Obaofaba:
No wonder trump is threatening fire and brimstones.

The truth is, Iran is not scarred of the US and Israel.

While Iran cannot win the US in a war, Israel can be flattened by the Iranians.

What is stopping them from doing so?



Or are they tired?
Or haven't the Israelis given them enough reason to do so?
Why aren't they sending their missiles to Israel?
Why are they sending it to an America that is concerned about its economy, given that it has built a resilient one?
Why not send even one to Israel that doesn't target sites, but GENERALS?

Sladem05:
Sure thing and the funny thing is you admitted that in the long run neither the US or Israel will win.

Never admitted that.
But I agree with you.
In the long run, they may not achieve all their objectives,
But they surely will have a lot to lose.

So, it is only better to let the place eat itself by turning it into a Libya,
Where no organized force can project power.

Sladem05:
They don’t the decide the winner especially in asymmetric warfare.

The US couldn’t stop North Vietnam from conquering the South. Neither could they stop the Taliban from taking over the country. Did I say Khamanei died of cancer? You be mumu. All I said is that killing Khamanei did nothing more than anger the country. His son replaced which is son was getting ready to do anyway.

na yu go taya.
Asymmetric warfare is fought only by those who are allowed to.
Iraq didn't fight asymmetric warfare simply because the US didn't allow them to by the operation Shock and Awe in which all their formation were bombarded even before the military set foot within.

Libyans, too, are jeehardeest, but the shock-and-awe operation didn't allow them to go "asymmetrical."
AlQaeda and ISIS, too, are jeehardeests and would prefer "asymmetrical," but the shock and awe firepower didn't permit them to.
Iran has prepared for 40 years for an "asymmetric war," but they have not been permitted to wage it, as no one is stepping foot in there but giving it to them hot from the skies.
Hamas prepared for asymmetric warfare, but instead, Israel, a master in it, gave them tremendous power and overwhelmed their ability to prosecute such an operation, and then they had to resort to "babies and geenocide" propaganda.

The Taliban took over Afhanistan simply becasue the Americans were alrady tired os spending on a country taht naturally have an ideology that glorifies d e a t h and praises failure.

Sladem05:
A war is a continuation of politics by other means. It is not decided by who can punch harder on the battlefield. That is why America failed in Afghanistan and Vietnam. They won the battles but they lost the war. You are just one of those CIA bots that cope about them losing. Afghanistan today is under control of the Taliban, Vietnam is still under control of the communist part of Vietnam and you are telling me America won😂

"War is a continuation of politics," says a Nigerian who is overwhelmed with supporting those who always lose.

These ones just know how to turn on the mumu button of Nigerian Iranians.


Something is wrong with the average IRGC mind. Their aim is always to give their Nigerian followers something to be happy about.
But notice that nothing concerns them with Israel.
Dem know say, if they mistakenly send even one missile, Israel's targets are not just "sites" like the Americans. Their targets are such that there has to be a "no-keel" list for some people to survive so that negotiations can happen.




I dare any Nigerian Iranian to name just one IRGC leader that is alive today without making it to the "no-keel" list.
Just one.

Sladem05:
Osama and AQ maybe gone but not the Taliban which was the whole point of the war after killing Osama. America tried and failed to extinguish the Taliban. They made the Taliban stronger.

The Taliban today control more of Afghanistan than they did pre 9/11 and NATO left lots of military equipment that the Taliban has now incorporated its into military. The Taliban were flexing American weapons in parades at the end of the war.

What you brought up was minor victories but ultimately the US lost the Afghanistan War, The same way they lost in Vietnam and like what is happening in Iran.

Iran cannot project power and lack coordination? They have bombed every gulf country and hit critical infrastructure in those region. Killing Mojitaba’s father did nothing. That just angered the people.

The US does not have the means to invade Iran whatsoever. Iran has several times the landmass and population of Afghanistan and Vietnam countries the US failed in. On top of that, the terrain and climate in Iran is not favourable for any invading force.

America cannot even defeat much smaller foes and you think US can have boots on the ground? The US cannot even take Kharg Island talkless of taking Iran. Iran’s Foreign Minister Arabbas Aragaichi when asked does Iran fear boots on the ground and he smiled saying ‘No, we are waiting for them’.

Trump would be sending troops to their grave if the US dared to put troops on the ground. America has failed against much weaker foes and they want to take on a foe like Iran? You are a dreamer.

Well, you made more noise than this about Iran before they were even attacked.

Little did we know that Israel will start and end the war in just 30 seconds 🤣🤣🤣, leaving remaining, a rag tagged disorganized sea pirates called the IRGC.

Sladem05:
Why would you sign a deal with the country you have defeated? Make this make sense 😂
Trump asked for unconditional surrender has Iran given that to them?

Imagine asking someone to surrender only striking them from afar (only air power) cause you are to scared to face them and acting like you are winning.
You are a fool. America is not meant to sign a peace agreement with a country it has ‘beaten’ 😂. As a winner, you set the terms not the opposing side. Heck there shouldn’t even be a peace agreement if you are actually the winner.

The four main parts of US Iran Peace agreement is: The 4 main pillars are:
a Ceasefire end to direct hostilities, Reopening Strait of Hormuz,Sanctions relief + economic concessions,Nuclear restrictions + inspections negotiations. It’s a far worse deal than the Obama one. It mostly favours Iran. Iran announced the other it closed the strait of Hormuz, they still have nuclear material and they gave far fewer concessions.

Oh yes,
Sometimes you don’t see it necessary to continue a war that you know has no end. The IRGC has an endless supply of people it can afford to loose. America has a very limited supply of people it can afford to loose.
So, we simply carry out a wave, sign an MOU, come back with another wave, sign another one, then another wave, etc. Until we have tested all our new w e a p o n s.
When we are done, we will tear the “no-keel” list. And Israel will finish the job. Ask Nasrallah and Hezbollah. 🤣🤣🤣

Sladem05:
You don’t understand the art of war. In a war, you have to achieve political objectives to win and the US hasn’t achieved a single objective. It hasn’t meaningfully degraded Iran’s capabilities. There was a study showing that Iran still had 85% of its drone capability, Iran still holds the strait which caused an energy crisis, the IRGC is intact and so Is the leadership but replaced. Khamanei was going

Ali Khamanei was expecting to have died be it through health complications (he had cancer) or being assassinated ( which the US already did). His son was getting ready to take over. Killing the leadership was really not a flex as he was already getting replaced by his son sometime down the line the US just sped it up. Mojitaba was positioned to assume his father’s place.

Those groups you have listened are less of religious groups but more of extremists and the reason the US or any major power cannot defeat them is because guerilla warfare is kryptonite for any world power. It’s why the Americans and Russian lost/losing in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Ukraine etc is cause you cannot beat insurgents with military might alone. A war is not about whom can bomb the other harder. It is a continuation of politics. Battles don’t decide the winner. It’s diplomacy and ultimately being able to achieve your political objectives.

🤣🤣🤣

Battles don’t decide the winner:
Ask Japan, Germany, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

🤣🤣🤣


You can say whatever that makes you happy bro.
If you like, say that Khamenei died of cancer.
That one no concern people wey sabi.
😅😅😅

socoharley:
Is it easy doing what Bello Turji Is doing knowing he will meet his Waterloo soon? All your insults are directed accordingly to the two tarfas who failed to train you ...ẁàn̈à ďàìśķà

Now you dey form angry.
😅😅😅

Just because I mentioned your reelegious warriorr.

Sladem05:
Nobody here is suggesting that Iran is a peer or a superpower. Iran is not even close to that but the fact that the US has been unable to incapacitate Iran and has had to sign a peace deal with them is hilarious. The world’s ’superpower’ cannot even defeat a middling power like Iran.

Iran has also inflicted a lot of economic pain on the world by closing the strait which is a global chokepoint.

Oh dear,

Everyone here was suggesting that they are the only country that can fight the US. 😅😅😅

Until Israel proved them otherwise.

And yes, Iran has terrorized the world economic system as meager pirates, just as the Somalians were doing, until the world got tired of them and put it all to an end.

For now, the world is not yet tired of Iranian piracy. When they are, no one will set boots on ground. They will just give the Kurds, the order.

😅😅😅

The fear of the world is that, no one knows what the Kurds are capable of, if they gain power. That is why even Turkey is begging US not to arm the Kurds.