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educatedfool:
Lol don't worry, it survived longer than the "Iran got defeated on day one" argument.

Respect for admitting it though.

My “argument collapsed.”

It did when you said that Iran still sponsors major conflicts in the world and so should be referred to as a super power, and then I remembered that Qatar and Turkey sponsors more than that, and yet still, are not in anyway a super power.

I just say, this conversation is dulling me out.
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educatedfool:
Lol this is getting funny.

Ok Sir
My argument has collapse

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Nigerian government knows how to toy with its people’s emotions.


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educatedfool:
Wait... are you even following your own argument anymore?

You spent several comments calling Iran "0/10", weak, useless, and comparable to ISIS. Now suddenly your benchmark for greatness is whether someone survives assassination attempts forever? 😂

By that logic, every cartel boss hiding in mountains for 20 years is greater than world powers.

And your comparison still fails because:
Saddam lost his country.
Baghdadi lost his caliphate.
ISIS collapsed territorially.
Assad only remained because of heavy foreign backing.
Yet Iran as a state still exists, still projects influence, still affects global oil markets, still shapes regional conflicts, and still forces major powers to constantly respond to it.

You keep reducing geopolitics to "who died faster" like this is WWE rankings .

Also, you accidentally destroyed your own earlier point. If Iran was truly as irrelevant as you claimed, why would the US and Israel dedicate massive intelligence, sanctions, cyber operations, assassinations, military coalitions, and years of containment policies toward it?

Nobody spends decades strategically containing a "1/10" actor.

Your entire argument is built on emotional mockery, not coherent reasoning.

Noticed that you grew out of the “argument is collapsing” line. 😅😅😅

Anyways, yes.
When a society is built around a person, and it is cut off, the society is totally defeated. What remains is simply a remains.

It happened during WW II on Germany. Hitler gone.
It happened during the Napoleonic wars. Napoleon arrested.
It happened in Libya. Gaddafi finished.
It happened during Iraq war. Saddam eliminated.


But these have had their leaders taken out, even though their leaders provided their ideology, and yet they never vanished:
Al Qaeda
Boko Haram
ISIS
Taliban
ISIL
Iran.

Do you know why? Because they are not an army but a terrorist group whom their leader never actually had control over his subjects, but had the privilege of leading their lust. 😅😅😅

And yes, the bench mark of greatness is not the “survival of a conflict” as Iran and extremist world describe it, but the survival of their ability to defend themselves (as in Ukraine) or the ability to take on the offensive as in Israel. No serious people loose their leader on the first day. Even Bokoharam don’t. And you are not serious if you do. Iran = -20/10.

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educatedfool:
Your argument keeps collapsing into contradictions.

First you mocked Iran for using proxies and indirect warfare, now you are admitting Hamas and Hezbollah are serious enough that only "morality" is stopping Israel and the US from wiping everything out. So which is it? Weak and irrelevant, or dangerous enough to require restraint, alliances, carrier groups, sanctions, intelligence operations, and nonstop military campaigns?

And the Syria point is also confused. ISIS briefly controlled territory during a civil war and chaos. Controlling ruins during state collapse is not the same thing as being a stronger geopolitical actor than Iran. By your logic, every warlord that captures territory automatically becomes stronger than functioning states.

Also, saying Israel and the US are restrained purely because they are Jewish and Christian is a very emotional argument, not a strategic one. States act based on consequences, global pressure, economics, alliances, hostages, regional escalation risks, international law, domestic politics, and military costs, not because leaders suddenly become saints.

You mentioned Saddam and Assad as examples, but both actually prove the opposite of your point. Saddam could not survive confrontation with the US coalition. Assad only survived largely because of external backing from Russia and Iran. So again, Iran appears in the equation.

And the funniest part is you naming China, India, and Turkey like they are magical civilizations beyond conflict . Turkey has fought insurgencies for decades. India still deals with militant attacks and regional tensions. China is extremely cautious about instability despite its strength. Real geopolitics is more complicated than "just bomb everyone."

At this point, your argument is just jumping between contradictions depending on what sounds dramatic in the moment.

So if Saddam, Assad, and AlBaghadi didn’t survive, did Khamenei survive?

If he didn’t, what makes him superior to those guys when throws guys survived hundreds of days than he did?

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educatedfool:
You are confusing "not fighting like ISIS" with "not being powerful."

ISIS was a roaming terrorist group holding deserts and villages. Iran is an actual state with missiles, drones, cyber capabilities, proxy networks, intelligence operations, and influence across multiple countries. The US literally spent decades invading countries over groups Iran supports indirectly. That alone should tell you the comparison is weak.

And the irony is funny. You mocked Hezbollah and Hamas missiles, yet Israel and the US still dedicate massive intelligence, military budgets, air defense systems, carrier groups, sanctions, emergency meetings, and constant operations around Iran. Nobody mobilizes like that over a "0/10" actor.

Also, ISIS "having an airforce" is one of the funniest exaggerations I have seen . Capturing a few abandoned aircraft they barely used is not the same as having a functioning modern air force.

And saying "Iran never directly challenged the US or Israel" ignores reality. From proxy warfare to missile strikes to Red Sea disruptions to regional influence, Iran has been confronting both indirectly for decades. States do not always fight like suicidal militias charging into airstrikes.

A country surviving decades of sanctions, assassinations, cyberattacks, covert operations, and still remaining influential in the region is clearly more significant than a terrorist group that collapsed after losing territory.

By the way: US lawmaker says Washington lost 39 aircraft in Iran war
https://aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-lawmaker-says-washington-lost-39-aircraft-in-iran-war-citing-defense-report/3935793

When you down talked the ISIS Airforce, I was thinking you will talk about Irans Airforce. 😂😂😂

The same ISIS you are talking about at the one in full control of the state structure of Syria.

And yes, Hamas and Hezbollah can still continue giving trouble just because of the morality of Israel and the US.

If any of those two were a Muslim nation, I bet their whole country, both the Hamas, Hezbollah and the innocents would have been history.

Saddam Hussein of Iraq did it.
Assad of Syria did it.

You can only run your mouth like that about those two countries because they are Jewish and Christian and already have a conscience that is bestowed on them by their beliefs.

Let Hamas, Hezbollah, or Iran try India, China, or Turkey and see.
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Sccarrr:
what truth ? ..too many American movies don turn una head completely, y'all live in some kind of delusional,fantasy world 😹😹

Na that same fantasy clear all of Orans leadership in 30 seconds of a war.

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educatedfool:
You compared Iran, an actual sovereign state with ballistic missiles, drones, regional alliances, industrial capacity, intelligence networks, and direct military confrontations with Israel and the US, to ragtag insurgent groups hiding in deserts and mountains. That comparison alone already screams desperation.

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Indeed.
“Intelligence network” indeed.
“Confrontations with Israel and US” indeed.

I didn’t hear about one, even one Iranian aircraft nor naval vessel that challenged Israel or the US. But in your mind, shooting missiles like Hezbollah and Hamas, places Iran as the apex predator.

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ISIS had much more.
They had an airforce.
ISIS confronted much more countries than Iran attacked.
ISIS had staged attacks even in the US.

But somehow, the low budget terrorist group that lost all their leadership on 30 seconds of a battle. Intelligence network indeed. 😂😂😂. Even with sustained US operations, it took years for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi to be killed. Yet your supreme leader evaporated faster than boiling water.

If I give Boko Haram 5/10, and ISIS 9/10, I’ll demote Iran, because Iran doesn’t worth 1/10.

Sccarrr:
Chinua Achebe...no one is interested in your new book ....the bully USA and the terrorist organization Israel failed woefully this time....and that's it

You are never interested in saying the truth.
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You know the truth, but you are religiously obligated to lie. It’s called Taqiyya.

That is why you are running around.
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Sccarrr:
more garbage...they clear the whole country still couldn't win the war and evn announced they are running 😹😹 funny

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“Couldn’t win the war?”
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Iran is an unconventional terrorist organization. No one “wins an unconventional army” conventionally. A real army surrenders when their capability is to defend or offend is cut off.

But do you know the type of militants that don’t surrender l:

1. Boko Haram
2. ISIS
3. ISIL
4. Hezbollah
5. Iran
6. Bandits
Etc.

Those ones don’t know when they are defeated. Initially, they are not even fighting a war of cause. They are fighting a pointless war. This fighting them just have to get tired and stop. Because the purpose of fighting a pointless army is that since they are pointless, you absolutely won’t have a point to stop. So, you just pull out, and the funny guys claim “victory.” 😅😅😅

Taliban claimed victory.
Boko Haram is claiming victory.
Hamas claimed victory.
Hezbollah is claiming victory.
Iran too is claiming victory.

Notice the trend and the cause that drives those set?

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educatedfool:
Hezbollah and Israel are not remotely equal in military power, so nobody serious denies that. But your Iran example completely collapsed the moment the US, Israel, and even multiple allied countries had to coordinate against ONE country.

Imagine calling Iran "weak," yet:

- Iran directly struck Israeli territory multiple times.

- US bases in UEA, Saudi, Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq and Syria kept getting targeted despite America's overwhelming military advantage.

- Global shipping routes and oil markets react anytime Iran moves a finger.

- Israel, the US, UK, and others all keep treating Iran as a major strategic threat, not some helpless village militia.

A "small powerless country" does not force half the West into emergency meetings every few months.

And the funniest part? Every attack meant to "weaken the regime" only upgraded its image internally and regionally. Even Khamenei now is 30 years younger

So no, this is not the same comparison at all. Hezbollah being outmatched by Israel is obvious. But pretending Iran is some tiny harmless state while multiple powerful countries unite against it at once is just comedy.

And your last point still avoids the real issue:
"Protecting civilians" is not the same thing as justifying unlimited destruction of other civilians.

Ahh!!

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I see. In essence, you are saying that because
1) the world refer to Iran as a threat,
2) Iran struck Israeli territory
3) Iran terrorizes shipping routes
4) Iran causes emergency sessions

Therefore they are more powerful than the whole world. 😂😂😂

1. The world refers to Boko Haram as a threat too. Are they therefore a super power?
2. Hezbollah have struck Israeli territory
3. ISIS have struck US bases before
4. Al-Shabab has attacked shipping routes in the more expensive trading ship lines.
5. All those terrorist have done more than Iran has.

Does that make them the super power too?
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Also, if you like, complain from today till tomorrow, everyone has a right to defend themselves from current or planned threats. Israel and the US are treating Iran with kids gloves.

Sccarrr:
dry...u definitely failed maths at sch....but let me help jog your memory

USA= 340million
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Israel= 10 million = 350million

I was thinking that since the 90 million is about 1/4 of the 350 million, then:

If the 350 million cleared out 100% of the leadership, navy, and airforce of the 90 million, then no matter how weak the 90 million is, at least they should have been able to clear out maybe 1/5 of the leadership 😅, navy and airforce of the 350 million.

Or, isn’t it?
Are they weaker than “no matter how weak?”
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educatedfool:
"Play"? Lol. Israel is obviously far more powerful militarily than Lebanon... If they could completely occupy Lebanon tomorrow without repercussions, they likely would asap. But your point still does not answer the real question. Does having more power justify the destruction and killings?

Ooops.
I thought that your Hezbollah was “Hezbollah is not Hamas.”

Now suddenly, we all agree that they are a small nation that deserves pity from the more powerful nation. 😂😂😂

The same way we Iran as a “superpower,” but now claim that Israel should not do too much because Iran is just a small country led by people “might enough to challenge Israel.” 😂😂😂

And to your question: YES
Having any form of power, no matter how much or how small, should justify why you should protect your civilians and military from those who want to harm them.

Sccarrr:
you mean the 86 years old man who battled Israel and United States for nearly 4 decades?

Na,

I mean the 10 million population nation that took on the 90 million population, self mouthed “superpower”, muslims acclaimed “most powerful nation on earth,” nation referred to as “Iran is not Hamas,” led by a SUPREME LEADER, having soldiers that jump through rings of fire on display of “powerful training,” etc.

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Sccarrr:
Nawa o...from we won the war at day 2....

Day 2 ke?

Una supreme leader was taken out in 30 seconds.


Who dash u 2 days?

You guys need to call yourselves to order.

We can’t be bearing a name in which some small section of people are imposing on us.

Israel dey play with una that is why.

I blame them.

Simple:

In the place where others consider tough.
Eg.

1. Military
2. Fishing or Marine (water ways) entirely
3. Intellectual property (schooling inclusive)
4. Etc

Just look out for odd things that seem difficult, “dirty” (as in physical dirt), challenging, tough, risky, etc.

We are too intoxicated by sweet looking media brainwashed words like:
1. Skills
2. Business (entrepreneurship)
3. Social influencers
4. Etc
Generally those sweet looking, beard gang, Barbie girl, social media uploadable, activities are what we are fixated on. That is what have been used to blind us from the real jobs.

Some things were never meant to be a “career.”

At best, they were supposed to be referred to as “gigs” and nothing more.

But as typical Nigerians, we make a mountain out of a mole.

Just the way Indians, Indonesians, Pakistanis, Argentinians, etc japa ten times more than we do but do it quietly, and we make a lot of noise about it, or also how Chinese, North Koreans, Romanians, etc. scam online 30 times more than Nigerians do it, but silently, while we come out to make a lot of noise because of our small $2000 cash out, that is the same way we made a lot of noise about those “remote” jobs.

Only 4,
And he is disturbing our peace.

Wike is just playing like an authority.

His fall will be great.

Also, is politics by force for this Fubara man?

Just before Ronus come to wag their tail that “Nigeria is better because they don’t make the list,”

The cost of living, in a non inflated economy, directly proportions the standard of living.

The same US that Nigerian Iranians say is “not a Christian country?”


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Onotosho, show me the law!

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Okechinwadike:
wish it is Israel, they will show Iran no mercy

Even Israel has the tendency of showing decency in their response.

I wish it is a Muslim country that was dealing with Iran. Maybe Saudi Arabia or Turkey or UAE. E for red for them.

America is just treating these criminals with kids gloves.

Like a cat playing with a mouse, before it finally eats it.

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Kobicove:
Iran did not win but can the Americans who are the aggressors beat their chest and say that they won this war?!

Ok,

Iran took out Israeli prime minister

Dude more obsessed about America than Nigeria.

Kobicove:
I warned earlier that the ammunitions stockpile of the US was seriously depleted but some people here were arguing blindly

And Iran also won.

God1000:
The US is just helping Russia. But maybe that’s the point after all.


NATO is no longer what it used to be, US is at loggerheads with Europe, Donald trump is just a foreign agent recruited to destabilize america

Now it is no longer “controlled by Israel “ but it has turned to “recruited by Russia.”

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Y’all need to get your propaganda right.

They need to walk their talk.

Since they can talk, then therefore, they should defend themselves.