₦airaland Forum

Vifx:
You're arguing against a position that wasn't made
I did not say the government should permanently run the private sector. The point is that infrastructure and strategic state investment are part of economic development too. Roads, power, ports, rail, education, healthcare, and in some cases even state-backed industries have all played major roles in the industrialization of successful economies.

The idea that "no government ever built an economy by setting up industries" is historically inaccurate. Governments in countries like Japan, South Korea, Singapore, and even China actively shaped and supported industrial development alongside private enterprise.

It's not a choice between investing in people or investing in industry. Strong economies do both. An educated workforce without jobs is underemployment. Industries without skilled workers also fail.

So maybe skip the "Where did you guys school?" line and engage with the actual argument instead.

"Governments in countries like Japan, South Korea, Singapore, and even China actively shaped and supported industrial development alongside private enterprise"


Be humble, man.
You were wrong.
I talked directly about food, and you countered it by saying the government was not supposed to focus on food, but on building industries.
Now you are on the path of "support industries."

Did you notice that you had to go straight to East Asia to mention countries? In fact, none of those mostly historically communist nations had their government investing in industry except when they were preparing for war.

The Chinese government builds industry because, in its system of governance, they OWN ALL THE SYSTEMS OF PRODUCTION. There is nothing like a private system there. There is only a pseudo-private enterprise, but the government is still running the show. That is why no one takes China seriously.

Again, I say, there is the core duty of government. Security, food, health, and housing are part of it. Enterprise is never a part of it.

TheStoriesOfMan:
If you have ₦15 million, you can move to Norway.

Only that you'll experience racism and occult worship, because not all Norwegians are Christians.

I'd prefer to be with those Christians whom you refer to as "occult worshipers" and be safe, than to go to Iran, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, Kuwait, Oman, etc, who are "non-occult worshippers" but literrally worship d e a t h.

Cho cho cho.
This government is a set of very unintelligible people.
For them to think that idiotic counter-statements like this will successfully deceive Nigerians, I must believe that Buhari and his CPC regime were far smarter.

Bahamas95:
The man doesn't look like someone that has 100k in his account sef.




His senior colleagues in pulpit banditry won't have time for this nonsense, they prefer going on gospel tourism to rake in more cash.

How do they look like?
Nigerians are funny. Social media has really defined the extent of which Nigerian brains can think. So because he has a dark skin, he doesn’t look rich. He has to stand with G-wagon, and wear agbada, before you say otherwise.

Lolzzz

dreamxhaser:
Actually! Eco Atlantic is a very beautiful city, the issue is that it is not completed yet and taking too long. Tinubu as a Lagos boy should use his influence as the president to fast track the development of that place.

As for Abuja, most high posh residential areas are better than that wuse place by far.

Also residential aside, the abuja cbd is a better and more beautiful business district.

The multi-million dollar redevelopment of jabi lake waterfront and recreational park into a premium tourism destination by the present administration will also count as it will be completed this year end or so i heard.

😅😅😅

Eco Atlantic is not a “very beautiful city.”

It is a residential estate, and doing very poor at that. A couple of 30 storied buildings does not make a city. It is a housing estate and surely, corrupt governments, such as these, are the stakeholders, and yet, the people they steal from, will beg them to invest in that same fraud.

But I can tell you: Eko Atlantic housing estate, have not been finished, simply because it is taking a shape that it is never meant to take. Which is “a city shape.”

Nigeria doesn’t need a city yet. At least in the name of a modern city. What do we want to do with a city? 😅😅😅
Imagine giving us New York, or Casablanca. What will we do with it? Put police in it and stop people from accessing one streets or the other?

😅😅😅

dreamxhaser:
That place is not even the a rated area, there are more beautiful places by far.

Is there anywhere in Abuja that is more beautiful than Central Business District?

😏😏😏

TrainPark:
Where is the anger here?
You are still stuck on immediate hunger despite my clarification ooo. Chai

Solving "immediate hunger" does not end hunger, sir. It is subsistence thinking and drives people into impulsive, hunger-driven decisions with longterm onsequences.

Sorry if I hit a nerve. My intention was to simply point our that a well thought out industry will address hunger better in the long run and in the immediate too

I sincerely thought that being hungry meant that the body was supposed to eat.

I never knew that there were other people who thought that hunger can be sustained for days just so that an investment can possibly yield for other time consumption.

I never knew that people fast, going without eating anything for days, just to yield an investment.

😅😅😅

TrainPark:
You argue that the factory is not what the people of Nassarawa state need to focus on, but 'immediate hunger". which I said is subsistence thinking. It is not the role of government to give people food but to create an enabling environment for people to fend for themselves by working in factories, businesses, and other forms of value-adding employment.

If hunger is your only guide rail, then Oga go and eat and stop the dumb, hunger driven argument about why I eat.

Does that mean that the people that invest in industry and the future do not eat? Eating as you understand it is not the primary purpose of life.

I am even struggling to understand how a rational human being will argue that an industry should not be built but focus should be on 'immediate hunger". The first time I am hearing about such a myopic concept.

It is the role of government to provide infrastructure and invest in ventures that enable people to prosper, NOT to directly focus on immediate hunger as if people are animals who exist only to eat.

I don't even have immediate hunger, sir. And individuals are different from governments in role and function. Mr. Immediate Hunger.


And who even told you that because a government builds a company, people will not eat? In fact, the company will potentially create employment that will enable people to feed themselves and dependents.

I will bring myself low to your level just to help your knowledge:

******* (1)
“ Does that mean that the people that invest in industry and the future do not eat?”
Do you think those who invest in industry are hungry people? They have addressed their hunger first, and then the surplus is what they use to invest. I thought that was even the definition of investment sef? 🤨


******* (2)
“…NOT to directly focus on immediate hunger as if people are animals who exist only to eat.”
No sir, you are wrong. There have NEVER been a time where the role of any government was to INVEST IN VENTURES. I don’t know what is wrong with Africans. They look at the west, hope to copy from them, then turn and do the very exact opposite they observe, and hope to see the same result. No government is meant to “invest” in ANYTHING other than the people DIRECTLY. No serious government in the world, ever uses its money to build factories, etc. except if those things were meant for the direct consumption of the people. Yes, humans were just meant to eat, live and reproduce. That is the essence of life. The systems of man made you pursue other things, and see the core things as less important.

And the funny thing is that, you think you are smart, by talking about “investment is better than hunger.” 😅😅😅

dreamxhaser:
That place is not even the a rated area, there are more beautiful places by far.

Name just one A-rated area for me in Nigeria?
Just one.

I bet you, what ever you will name, will not be able to compete with a 3rd class city in North Africa, or the ghetto of a ghetto in Europe.

You see Eko city ba,
That one is what an average ghetto living person in the US will reject as a place less than the ghetto of a ghetto.


The only places in Nigeria that can boldly compete with the world in beauty, are the places that man didn’t build, but partnered with nature to build. Eg. Tinapa Calabar and the mountains of Taraba (lush greenery), the Oasis of Yobe (desert formation), etc.

Notice that those are places that nature built itself?

But all those ghettos that you guys call high class, is really funny

TrainPark:
Where is the anger here?
You are still stuck on immediate hunger despite my clarification ooo. Chai

Solving "immediate hunger" does not end hunger, sir. It is subsistence thinking and drives people into impulsive, hunger-driven decisions with longterm onsequences.

Sorry if I hit a nerve. My intention was to simply point our that a well thought out industry will address hunger better in the long run and in the immediate too

You are still all over the place.

Why did you eat today when you were hungry

Why did you address the immediate hunger?

Why didn’t you use the money to invest for future hunger?


Why don’t think others should not eat, but should cheer a future investment?

Tareq1105:
His people will be employed there and earn a living and CIT is paid to the government.

Which people?
Those who couldn’t buy rice and died from hunger?

Will the dead be employed there?

Una think say all hot takes is wise.

Vifx:
"Can people eat it?" is a strange standard. People can't eat roads, bridges, or hospitals either. The point is to build an economy where people can earn enough to buy food, not expect the government to feed them forever.

Governments build economies first by investing in the people and not building industries.

No government ever build economies by setting up industries. They make sure the people are invested in, so that when the PRIVATE SECTOR builds the industry, there would be people with the capacity to earn within.

Where did you guys school for God’s sake?

Which country have their government focused on running the private sector and till find effectiveness in running the public systems?

Beautifulday:
Will the company employ alians?

No, they will employ those who have probably died of hunger or insecurity.

De play.

TrainPark:
Is everything just about eating?
And is a well-established industry not a guarantee of steady 'eating' for generations to come?
We all have to go beyond thinking in terms of the stomach for every issue.
This jaundiced thinking is why a fool thinks sharing 10kgs of rice is equivalent to good governance and mandate delivery.
Food is made for the stomach and not the stomach made for food.

And with all the anger you used to talk this, you felt wise.

You somehow think that immediate hunger should not be addressed, but building industries for future satisfaction should.

But somehow, you ate breakfast. You didn’t take the money to invest in long term crypto.

Why?

kokoA:
Sule has been a great governor.

Why?
He built this?
If he even did, will his people now eat the processed ore?

Do you know what 6,000 metric tonnes is?

FreeStuffsNG:
Among those overseeing the arrangements is General Ahmad Vahidi, the recently appointed commander-in-chief of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), who on Friday made his first public appearance since February 8, sitting beside Khamenei’s coffin.
This is the same man the child-killers in Occupied Palestine have declared eliminited at 4 different times.

He is the de-factor tamer of Trump and his pets in Occupied Palestine.

Don’t mind those Palestinians.
If it was Israelis, they don't declare,
They simply allow the Iranian to use their own TV to declare it.

🤣🤣🤣

The kind of places Nigerians present as their A-rated areas.

They won't even compete with a ghetto in downtown Arizona
They won't even compare to the suburbs of a second-class city in Algeria.

Disbelieve this man at your peril.

If you cannot obtain an office at the Aso Rock
If you cannot have the FG include your agency in their budget
If you cannot open a TSA account
If you cannot shake operate bank accounts from the CBN

Then you don't have the right to disbelieve him.
No one does all those things without a hand from above.

Again I am the first to comment here

Biodun556:
There's Adire in Kano and Zaria, make your findings. Kano is home to the oldest dying pit in the World,

There is also Adire in USA.
I guess that means it's their culture as well.

No be only Zaria and Kano.
No be only pit.
Na peet.

MarketDispatch:
Good bye NYSC (National Youth Service Corp....welcome NYFS (National Youth Fashion Show)...

Funny that they forgot the scheme was a PARAMILITARY one, not a fashion show.
They just snubbed its function and replaced it with a fashion show.

Biodun556:
Adire is done in the south west and north

Which North?



Biodun, there is something that tells you guys that you share similarities with Northerners.
Funny enough, that same thing that tells you that doesn't even whisper the same thing to the Northerner who doesn't see ANY connection between you and their culture. Outside your Ogun, Oyo, Lagos,....Kwara, Kogi, etc., no one knows any Adire.

Ahayalift:
Kinda funny but good for Nigeria local content that they've been Preaching. Let's see how this pans out.

But don't you think you guys are getting it wrong?
The current NYSC uniform is not just a uniform, but a Khaki uniform in every word of it.
It was made for conditions where other wear cannot be sustained, such as stress, wear, and tear. It is a PARAMILITARY dress.
It was not meant for fashion in which "local content" can replace.
It is just like saying you want to change the police uniform or soldiers' wear to Khaki to prove local content.

People of another country,
Making their own rules,
In our own country.


So does that mean it is the body that organizes its people to "carry out reprisal attacks" on other occasions?

CodeTemplar:
They will adapt. It is time africans go back home and fix some things. Paul Biya is 92. Half the leaders are either dictators or imposed.

You are 300 million in your country,
You haven't fixed one bolt or nut,
Yet, you believe that when 30,000 immigrants return, your country will be fixed.

Lolz

BlackPantherxXx:
HouseNegro.... Might be unable to speak his own native language as fluently

Impressive though, Mandarin is at the summit of difficulty in languages.

There must always be a bitter person somewhere.
ALWAYS

But who deletes the main post, pictures, and videos from a thread?
Has that been a constant trend recently?

How do we relate to what is happening?
If it is of any concern, then it shouldn't be on the front page.
It should be taken down entirely.

Still crying over this matter.

Ezewuzie01:
Demented Peter Obi will now have Atiku Abubakar to contend with.

Every time I see your posts, I laugh.
Do you know what makes me laugh?
You are putting a lot of effort into drawing attention to yourself and creating a conversation.
But somehow, it fails. People just ignore you. Come on, bro.