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OKOATA:
You are pained because you know you are dull. All your so called atheist, archeologist, scientist have begun to give reference to the Bible. It's a pity that your hate for God won't let you reason like a human being but the devil that you are, I didn't bring christianity into this argument but only a reference but since you don't know what reference means I leave you to your folly and foolishness. I can see that am giving you attention because no one has quoted your nonsense thread up here but me. I won't give you that pleasure anymore since you are so daft.

I know you are just a brain dead robot that has been believing there is a God up in the sky somewhere , Your whole existence is meaningless

OKOATA:
shut up you fool, how long has igala been in existence? Ask yourself again you this dull imbeciile with no iota of reasoning, you said Yoruba broke away from igala. For how long has the language igala been spoken, guy you too dull abeg. Check in the nearest asylum beside you cos that's where you belong. Since you are so dull and you can't reason that languages has been in existence long way before your wretched self was born. You go on Wikipedia and come here proofing professor. You are just arguing with no sense. No proof, no nothing. Frustrated he goat.

OKOATA:
You are a frustrated he goat that can't argue like a normal human being, I guess you have just been unleashed from your hell, go back to meet your darling daddy the devil and embrace una sef inside the lake of fire. If not that you are dull and can't reason well but your hate for the things of God has blinded you. May you rot in hell where you belong.

OKOATA:
I hope you can read what I posted there fool of an idiot. You can see that African language has been in existence since about 70,000 years ago including Yorubas. Next time use your head before spewing trash. If you don't know what ancestral language means check the dictionary. Block head.

You should be in a mental institution a swear

So your dense skull honestly holds the believe that all languages came into existence at the same time?

Yoruba started evolving from igala just 800 years ago, now repeat the statement till your dense stone head absorbs it

OKOATA:
You be imbeciile, since you can't argue constructively and choose to be uncouth, running your mouth like tap up and down will leave you to your folly. I didn't know I quoted an atheist, your moniker says it all. For how long has the language been in existence? Or are you saying igala people just dropped from heaven? If you go and check your nonsense Wikipedia you will come here with your shiit stories like you have all the knowledge of the world.

OKOATA:
This isn't a fable class but how did you come about with your theories, were you there with your forefathers? Even scientist/archeologist sometimes give reference to the Bible if things look hard to solve and it comes out accurate. You are talking as if Yoruba language was invented, languages aren't invented, they have been with us since the time of old and I only used the Bible as a reference because it points to your write up here. I won't quote you again though.

OKOATA:
Bro what do you mean by Yoruba language being 800 years, are you saying someone invented it. What about the tower of Babel? How God created so many languages, I guess that's where all languages came from if we look at it at the Biblical way. Yoruba and other languages would have existed more than 800 years which am sure of. You can correct me though.

SuperBold:
Igala and ijaw captured you and sold you to Oyinbo. Small tribes dey turn igbos to O#u in their land

Akuko ikoja The whole of ilorin is now Fulani land from now till eternity , Half of ogun now lives Benin Republic

SuperBold:
Gbegile u don come na we name you igbo

SuperBold:
Onitsha and Obi of Onitsha are product of Benin and by that case related to Ife.


Oni of Ife title is Onirrisha(which means owners of orishas) , there was cultural exchange between Ife and Benin.

Benin Prince founded Onitsha

Oni + Osha = Onitsha - owner of oshas(orishas)

Did the Benin Prince name the place in honor of his paternal great grandfather title (Onirrisha)?

Can we say Onitsha and Anioma are part of lost Yoruba kingdom?

This is a grey area of our history we need to study!

Tao11 tao12 Gbagura legendhero

You must have come up with this crap under the influence of something

IGBOs are aboriginal to the IFE area and occupied it for several millennias before yoruba incursions

SuperBold:
Report to commander of the faithful Sheik Askari Dokunbo and ask him

SuperBold:
Igbo means forest

3 millenia ko daddy milliano ni

SuperBold:
Yoruba gave igbos their name, igbo means forest that is forest people - because igbos move southward to the forest where they are.

illicit:
Are you a Linguist?

SoulMus:
Very fine.. what of Kanu's Parents where are they

SoulMus:
What of Kanu's Father and Mother

Resurrection212:
I'm very proud of my igbo heritage.

Resurrection212:
Please someone should help me warn this dude to stop tormenting up and down.Nairaland is big to accommodate all of us.

Resurrection212:
I'm really ashamed of being igbo.

Olatunde i will slap you, Wear your yoruba ewedu identity with pride

KingsleyWabote:
I pity the ignorance and high grade stupidity of those claiming that ESN will defeat Nigerian military.

Quickly, let's take a brief look at some of the reasons why the Nigerian military will beat ESN hands down, a multiple number of times.

One, ESN is poorly trained and lacks manpower, compared to the Nigerian military.

Two, ESN lacks financial power- a couple of days back, IPOB came online to solicit for funds to support ESN. How will they continue to keep ESN equipped with military hardwares if the funds are not there in the first place? On the contrary, the Nigerian military usually set aside trillions of naira every year as annual budgets to keep it's military fully equipped.

Three, ESN is only recognized locally and globally as a rebel ragtag Army, or should we rather say a terrorist group. It has no legal backing to operate in the first place, to start with. They'll face a strong opposition, both locally and globally, which could lead to demoralization on part of its personnels and stiff resistance from international groups and global powers, since the global powers have nothing to benefit from IPOB (IPOB doesn't control any oilwell or natural resources).

Four, ESN doesn't even have what it takes to go on an all-out war against the federal military, when it comes to military hardwares. The Nigerian military have got some of Africa's most deadly armoured tanks and fighter jets. Needless to say that airstrikes from the Nigerian Airforce have proven again and again to be highly disastrous. No armed resistance group armed with only Kalashnikovs (i.e. AK-47s) have ever succeeded in their armed struggle against well-equipped government forces. This may be so painful to accept, but it's the whole truth.

ChinenyeN:
Ahhh. This has provided much needed context. Thank you.



This exception is exactly the reason for my question. I see though that you have some additional statements on this later in the post, so I'll respond further down in this post.



I think I will combine my response to this with below for ease.



Now this (the bolded) is indeed interesting. I assume these are cognate scores. If not for these two bolded items, I might have remained largely unconvinced. But allow me to back up a bit and explain my thought process for context.

I am certainly in favor of the general premise (being southern entry into the Igbo-speaking area). I was just still trying to grasp the Edo-Ondo borderlands part of the speculation. In particular, I assumed (and I guess rightly so) that there would be a lack of representation of Igbo within that axis and I wanted to know what your considerations would be in that regard.

By representation, I don't quite mean the existence of a surviving Igboid lect (though that would be cool and lend significant support to your speculation). Rather, my thoughts were along the lines of at least the existence of a language (or set of languages) in the Edo-Ondo borderlands that is notably lexically close to (at least) Ekpeye. Of course, perhaps not something mutually intelligible, but enough to pique interest. My reasoning is due to the fact that we still witness a high degree of language diversity within that borderland axis. It's high enough that it seems plausible to suspect that the area never experienced language invasion. There is even evidence for that in the spatial distribution of Yoruba/Igala and Edo. We can clearly see the Yoruba/Igala distribution curve around the Edo-Ondo borderlands, indicating the Akokoid family and Akpes, etc. had likely already been settled and existing in that space. This has been my thought process while giving consideration to the Edo-Ondo borderlands postulation. Now back to my response.

The statistics you mentioned in bold triggered some thoughts in my mind, which I believe is more in line with your statement on how you reconciled these considerations. Let me list out my considerations so that my thought process will hopefully be clear.

Basic Assumption/Proposition

Contrary to the currently orthodox opinion of a southward push for Igboid languages, we propose instead an eastward push. In other words, rather than Igbo-speaking communities entering what is now "Igboland" from up north, we suggest instead that they entered from the west (or more predominantly from the south/southwest).

Some Considerations

1. If we look at the spatial distribution of all the YEAI branches, we can conceive of a relatively hard line between Edoid and Igboid language communities. This suggests Igboid language communities moved into that area of the forest before them (having branched off earlier in history).
3. At a casual glance, this spatial distribution gives [me] the impression that there are no remnants of the proto-Igbo branch outside the Igbo-speaking region. In fact, considering the population and spatial distribution, it almost seems as though the entirety of proto-Igbo shifted en masse and remained largely disconnected from the rest of YEAI for quite a long time. There aren't even any notable pockets highly related Igboid languages sprinkled between the Edo-Ondo borderlands and the western/southwest border of Igbo-speaking communities.
5. However, it is precisely because of the consideration in #2 that this current #3 consideration is particularly interesting. Despite the separation in time and space, Igbo and Akoko have maintained a higher degree of lexical similarity than Akoko and Edo.

Speculative Conclusion

Let me paint a picture of population movements. Relatively dense populations typically force incoming communities to settle around them as opposed to settling through them (i.e. overrun them). A survey of the current spatial distribution suggest that such is the case with both Yoruba/Igala and Edo. Yoruba could seemingly (freely) expand westward, but was seemingly not able to effectively push eastward. Edo could effectively not push eastward or westward, and so was forced to push southward. In both cases, Yoruba/Igala and Edo were forced to settle around the Akokoid and Igboid families respectively.

This seems highly plausible, and it suggests that the expansion of the Yoruboid and Edoid languages would have to have been after the Akokoid. Indeed, referencing the works of Elugbe and Adetugbo (among others), we can see some credence to this. Elugbe's conclusion for the linguistic homeland of Edoid puts us straight on a path to the Ondo-Edo borderlands. Incidentally, it shows a general southern push (or more so southern than eastern). Adetugbo's work points just slightly northward from the Edo-Ondo borderlands. Incidentally, it also shows that the Yoruboid dispersal from that area was forced to wrap around the Akokoid region. It may very well be the case that Edoid and Yoruboid branched around the same time. In other words, they branched from YEAI later than Akokoid and Igboid.

I'm certain you recall our discussion (also here in NL) years back regarding sound and lexical shifts with respect to proto-Igbo and the rest of YEAI. The general trend seemed to be that descendents if earlier branches maintained more recognizable features of the ancestor languages. It stands to reason that more recognizable features of ancestor languages would contribute to higher cognate scores (i.e. Akokoid and Igboid).

That accounts for separation in time. To account for separation in space, it might just be as simple as you stated it. The Igboid family branched off so early that the continued expansion in time created less population density; enough for Edoid to later expand eastward and southward. This can account for separation in space. Since we know that all the YEAI branches are related, and we see the homelands of all but Igbo around Ondo, it would make sense to look away from the Niger-Benue confluence and more towards Ondo for the earliest branching of proto-Igbo speakers. This is actually insane (as in wonderfully bursting my head).

This actually makes far more send to me than the theory of shooting into the (almost dead center) of what is now "Igboland" and then both radiating outward and simultaneously pushing south from there.

Perhaps this is already a lot in one post. I will come back later to give my thoughts on the Lower Cross aspect of all of this. If anything, the idea of early Lower Cross interactions coupled with the fact that Ekpeye is to the south are the main pillars of this current "Southern Entry" hypothesis.

The yoruba pseudo-historians AKA "Our rich culture" chanters will not be happy with you for including ondo in your hypothesis

Macof we are now in ondo, now is the best time to fully discuss the ijale people and by extension all the historically igbo population swallowed up by the invading Yoruba across what is now called yoruba land

Juliusmalema:
-0.000% IQ...next..

Juliusmalema:
-0.000% IQ...next..

Juliusmalema:
Spotted.

You are not different from Ipob school of thought.

Next.

Juliusmalema:
Abeg na only Hausa fulani dey police force for this country..

What is this nonsense of recycling Hausa fulani as CP nearly in every state?

Hausa fulani commissioner of police in south and still commissioner of police in north?

What sort of arrant nonsense is that?