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Excellent photograph of Mozambican marines

Airborne360:
Air support varies according to situations to determine if they are primary or secondary in as much as the goal of neutralising your enemy is achieved, yes it cost more however no amount of investment can bring back the life of your personnel should such ocvohr.
In this case I believe as soon as the enemy was spotted, action should have been the taken asap.it is glearing they were outgunned via high caliber weapons I believe they were aware of from the drone footage.at least 30mm staging sef would have discouraged them from attacking

I guess so.

tdayof:
What about Kenya F-5? Can't b they be configured to drop free bombs like our A-jets? About man pads, they should invest in ECM.

The L-15 ATF (the sub-sonic version) is the sort of jet they need. The F-5's are old. They drop free fall bombs, and have participated in operations in Somalia. The fact is, they aren't good enough.

Even with ECM, Russian MI-17s carry the President S ECM, one of the worlds most advanced ECMs but a couple Russian helicopters have been shot down regardless of President S.

africaken254:
the vastness of our region and its sparsely populated,we need MI-35 gunships .thats what brazil did ,when it wanted to acquire an attack helicopter.due to it vast territory they acquired MI-35

That's what i've always said, those Harbin Z-9 armed and MD 500 helicopters don't cut it.

tdayof:
Yes. RIP to the dead. After sighting hundreds of militants, the CO should have requested for an airstrike immediately.
At least Air back up should be airborne or put on ready to launch.

Kenya needs proper attack helicopters. At-least 6 x MI-24s. Armed light utility helicopters are what they are, utility helicopters.

Anyway, as soon as deliveries for the Air Tractors commence, CAS would have been well taken care of.

Airborne360:
The CO should have scrambled Air support immediately hostile elements were spotted then send a team to mop up,its more easier that way . A lot they need to improve upon and finally Respect to fallen heroes

It's much easier and much more expensive. What happens when the air support doesn't come? Is this method sustainable? what happens in a battlefield were we don't have air superiority or in a contested air space were the hostiles possess Manpads, like we've seen in Syria.

In my opinion, this method we seem to use to prosecute our own insurgency, although effective, has a higher probability of unsustainability.

Ground troops first have to be proficient in the art of soldiering. Air support although vital, should be a secondary option, except in a situation were friendly positions are attacked by overwhelming enemy combatants.

jln115:
No need to look that far back, CAR was another example of how the SANDF effectively used mortars against a much larger force. Helmoed Heitmans book Battle of Bangui explains this in detail.

No it wasn't. In the CAR you guys got beaten blue, black - dropped your testicles and fled the country.

No Sir, CAR is not an example. We have established this fact. Quit bringing it up. It's over 3 years already.

africaken254:

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnGKL31nS2U

I'm glad this whole thing was a propaganda fail. African militaries need to understand that propaganda has a 50% input in the war victory itself.

Releasing statements on paper like the Soviets no longer cut it. This isn't 1970. Even the Russians no longer do that crap, they are now pushing as much military propaganda as the Europeans. Not yet on the level of the Americans though, those guys are playing in a much higher league of their own.

There's a KDF soldier with a giant digital camera, what's he doing with it? Photos should be released atleast on a weekly basis and after engagements with the enemy.

Nigerian police units in Mali, Timbuktu

Mauritius special forces

africaken254:
entrenching the AML-90 will limit its mobility and the attackers could outflank its position.thus attack where its weak.also i don't think it will be advantageous to fight at the same level as your enemy ,those observation towers and the raised perimeter wall of combat outpost .will definately give you unfair advantage over your attacker,they are exposed while you can use the perimeter for your defence(fire at your enemy and duck when they concetrate fire on your position,still you can move to another firing position safely)while others are defending the perimeter wall,the mortar crew inside the compound is safely firing a constant barrage of mortar rounds.directed by anyone on the wall or observation towers with a hand held radio. hesco bastions are cheap,uganda troops were even arrested selling them in the mogandishu black market

Offcourse a raised perimeter, similar to what the chinese have is best, but in the cases were they are not present, isn't it better to make do with what is available?

I wasn't only saying entrenching the AML, I mean, combining an entrenched AML behind a trenched position.

africaken254:
kenya need to improve its outpost hesco outpost wall(increase its height ,so that nobody outside can see inside),then acquire ZU-23,ZPU-2/4 (which should be located around the corners of the outpost

I agree with all you posted, but in the mean time, what about digging trenches? As well as the Hesco walls, the KDF has to look into digging trenches to slow down the attackers.

Also digging trenches for the AML-90s, this would limit the risk of hitting the IFVs, while providing good line of sight to hit the attackers.

Patchesagain:
Read the link in the story, the attack was the result of poor inteligence. The KDF guys who got wiped out were from a unit replacing another... the unit leaving didnt full them in on the situation properly.

shouldn't it be basic to fill-in on the situation in your sector before departing. This is standard SOP. Although, irrespective of that, the base was significantly well defended. It's not like the new unit is a completely light infantry unit.

Patchesagain:
Actually, it was poorly fortified. Long lines of defense, with isolated firing positions.

If you watch the video you cant those faggits from AS breaching parts of the perimiter, isolating pockets of resistance and then bringing heavy weapons on technicals to silence them.

Shorter lines, bigger fortifications and no indirect fire support.

I beg to differ, the base was significantly well defended irrespective of whatever loose ends present.

Patchesagain:
Problem is that they just didnt use their APC's at all.

They didnt laager them properly

Look at Pics of NATO bases in Afghanistan, they keep their APC's around the outskirts of their bases and there are little ramps all over the place on the inside of the defences... its so vehicles can drive up the ramp, fire, drive off the ramp and move to a new ramp to repeat the process.

Very important.

This, i completely agree with. I've also seen photos of MINUSMA, African troops do this with technicals.

The fact that neither the APCs or Panhard AMLs were used was a significant let down. Pin down the insurgents and then reply with the 105mm. The KDF had serious firepower.

Patchesagain:
7.62 is very effective at those sorts of ranges.

7.62 rate of fire > 12.5 rate of fire

When you can sling more lead, you have fire-superiority.
When you have fire superiority you can supress your enemy
When your enemy is supressed he is fixed
When he is fixed, you can destroy him

I'm not saying the 7.62mm is effective, all i'm saying is, KDF troops were pinned down by 23mm's and recoiless guns. What they needed was to loose the pressure on them with heavier rounds with longer ranges. Tanks, 30mm, 23mm, 14.5mm and the 90mm from the Panhard( which for whatever reasons wasn't used).

The idea of mounting punny guns on your APCs is deadly, like the Nigerian army found out against BHT.

Bigger guns were needed, offcourse with better coordination. Offcourse friendly troops were disorientated by the VBIED, they needed just a tiny bit of freedom to respond.

AS pinned KDF with the 14.5mm and Recoiless gun, while the unleased small arms fire. They couldn't move.

Patchesagain:
Also, I cant at least 2 Panhard AML's... those 90mm would have wrecked AS if used properly.

Mortars would have won that battle



I think its silly to talk about duty rosters when we have no idea how many men they had inside the base.

Dude, there was something wrong with the sentry watchers, this is what i think. Anyway, i have no right to pass out judgment from the comfort of my apartment.

Patchesagain:
Mortars, most African nations dont use enough mortars, or lager their vehicles (even the Germans did that in WW2 - see: Hedgehog formation)

I dont want to be arrogant, but y'all need to study what the old SADF did during the war in Angola. The major battles are irrelevant, a set-peice battle is a set-peice battle. But the practices employed by our mechanised formations when operating in Angola... those are perfect for Africa.

I have no idea of border war, I won't comment on a topic I'm not conversant with.

darknetcom:
the europeans are making fun over us in their comments..

no reasonable standing army in africa..??..

henry..i tell you,its time will put all african nations toghether and create a single african mind...

we are too separated.....

i realy wonder were all this terrorits are getting their fire power and infos...

some of us know from were,but no black person dares to realy say it out loud...

Everybody is entitled to his own opinion. I'm not bothered about what people say, only if they are practical responses.

This is why I've always advocated that we build our defence industry, so that we can reduce our dependence on foreign arms. I'm glad that we are now moving forward.

Eastern Europeans, Westerners and Islamist backers in the muslim world.

bendeniceguy:
Goverments all across Africa must realise that these animals are in this for the long hurl and quit pretending that groups like al shabaab an boko haram will go away by themselves!!! These animals view Africa as easy prey and wont give up until they are overwhelmed by superior force. Methinks the AU should pass a law making it compulsory for African countries to spend atleast 5percent of their GDPs on re-arming and re-equiping their militaries to defend the continent against these wild animals. This is not "gloating" This is REAL. We must quit hoping to fight murderous religious extremist on the cheap

We also need to invest and continue to invest in training our troops. Just buying equipment and re-arming would make us look like Saudi-Arabia or most of the oil rich countries in the gulf. We also need to properly vet our recruits, "why do they actually want to join the military?".

I'm not saying we shouldn't buy equipment, however, just buying equipment would not solve the problem. On spending, I've always opined that the big countries should be spending nothing less than $4.5 billion on defence. I'll also recommend an Anti-graft agency follow the money every step of the way.


I agree, we have to stop thinking that we can defeat these terrorists on the cheap. If a terrorist fires our troops with a 7.62mm, let us respond with a 125mm. That's how wars are won.

bendeniceguy:
My brother Henry, i am not in the business of sharing terrorists propaganda videos or such things. i only posted a link for those who might want to see what these low-lives are capable of. Its your prerogative to click the link or not. I understand you though and will not post something like this anymore. All the same, i am pissed that these killers are capable of doing this to an African army. I am mad and you should be too for what they did to those soldiers

I'm completely sick to my stomach. I had seen the video earlier on, and i could not believe what i saw. These terrorists are taking our militaries seriously, yet it seems we are still engaging them with kids gloves.

I'm not happy with the KDF, faced with overwhelming force they could have retreated a long while ago. The base seemed well fortified but it completely fell. 2 APCs and no defence. Those terrorists moved across open fields for atleast 200 meters, the Oto melera's should have been employed. I don't understand why, faced with 14.5mm's, the Kenyans still hull around with 7.62 MG's. The Nigerian army learnt this the hard way. Faced with superior arms, you also have to be prepared to respond with equally superior firepower.

The guys on guard duty were basically sleeping. 2 guys for 2 hour shifts, should have kept everyone alert.

African armies need to go back and critically look at the trainings received to deal with asymmetrical contacts with the enemy such as these.

Why did the KDF not retreat, there was not a proper response, the big guns weren't firing, the APCs, weren't firing, the Oto melera wasn't also firing, so why not basically flee, re-group and counter-attack. At least, that's what the video showed.

bendeniceguy:
Here is the link shared by Eeben Barlow on facebook. https://www.funker530.com/brutal-al-shabaab-raid-wipes-entire-kenyan-army-unit/ F..K al shabaab. May they roast in HELL

Jesus Christ!!

Man, why are you sharing this video here now, it is not nice at all, it is morally insensitive. You are helping these terrorists distribute their propaganda, which is completely wrong. This is not a terrorist propaganda thread, it is an African Militaries photos and video thread. I'm not pleased with you at all, everyone who wants to see the video knows we're to get it from.

We do not share terrorist propaganda videos here. Please don't post terrorist content in this thread. >:

Hello Mynd44,

Please, I need all the comments in this thread that are not African military photos deleted. I've spent so much time building that thread, I'll hate to see it go to waste.


Please delete all the comments in the thread. Thank you.

Hello Mynd44,

Please, I need all the comments in this thread that are not African military photos deleted. I've spent so much time building that thread, I'll hate to see it go to waste.


Please delete all the comments in the thread. Thanks.

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