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raumdeuter:
If you know a bigger wasteman than Cavani in Europe let me know

Chelsea should actually buy Cavani

https://streamable.com/zkny

One of those days in a footballer's career. Why not see the positive side of him in that match as well, I am talking about his positioning and how he ran into space for through balls.

FYI, cfc will not be signing cavani it's either madzukic or James hopefully.

dopeJemi:
Before I begin, I want you to note that i'm not saying depay is better than hazard, i'm only referring to last season which you brought up

Depay- 7 goals

Hazard- 3 goals

Now let's look at the effectiveness of these goals

In depay's 7 goals, he put up a man of the match display against club brugge in our first cl tie after going behind by scoring two sweet goals and creating one

He also put up a man of the match performance against Midtjylland after losing the first leg 2-1 away by being involved in 4 of the 5 goals we scored that night


Hazard: scored against tottenham to dent their title hopes

Scored two against bournemouth, one being a penalty to reduce bournemouth's goal difference, wow! what effectiveness

So when I say effectiveness it means just goals right? Continue.

dopeJemi:
Depay's worst season- 7 goals

Hazard's worst season- 3 goals

Just saying, na you bring depay and last season come the matter just now

al these cr7 and messi fan era. Lol.Smh. Last season was depay, the season before depay was di Maria and the season before di Maria was kagawa. Hazard effectiveness to his team is unquestionable even in his worst form can same be said of depay last season.

dopeJemi:
Hahahahahaha, that means hazard cannot be mentioned where Neymar's name is being called, they are not mates

Neymar- 3rd behind messi

Hazard- not even 15th behind hazard

mind you, I am not comparing them because they play in different league, you're the one doing that. Else, you will agree with me that lampard is a better footballer than iniesta due to individual stats and both are AMF. You should know by now that Neymar is a LWF/striker in 4-3-3 formation while hazard is a LMF/winger in 4-2-3-1 formation.

dopeJemi:
You've tied yourself again

Neymar finishing 3rd behind a five time ballon d'or winner is an achievement on it's own, something hazard will never achieve until he dies

Finishing third and second behind the world's best player makes you the closest to that player in terms of what that player does

You must be very good to be amongst the top 3 in the world, top 3 that has messi and ronaldo in it

Your heat is getting cold, bring more heat so I won't be able to stand it

neymar to messi then Neymar to hazard.
I tell you just now go relax your brain
I know you manure fan are still pain since hazard rejected your club for Chelsea. Mkhitaryan is the fourth signings you have used to compare hazard and he has outshone them so far. Even in his worst season depay couldn't do jack. Lol

dopeJemi:
Very good

Currently there's no player better than messi because he's the holder of the ballon d'or, messi is the only player better than ronaldo because he came second behind him, messi and ronaldo are the only players better than Neymar cause he came third behind them

The next ballon d'or will go to ronaldo certainly and then he'll be the best player in the world with messi coming second and whoever third


Ballon d'or- world best

youre the one always bringing up individual stats and award to justify messi's talent and I am trying to let you know messi is a genius on the field of play. I.e,he can do everything on the field of play as an attacker. How many third position does Neymar has that you're mentioning his name with cr7 and messi, That aside, messi is very firm with the ball and has a never give up attitude when with the ball unlike Neymar that falls to the ground at any slight touch, and you think he can withstand epl with those antics. I laugh. If depay nor come epl you for dey count am among top 4 best wingers in the world by now while in holland league scoring for fun.

dopeJemi:
You are making things very difficult for yourself

Messi will do excellently well in the EPL but Neymar who finished 3rd behind messi won't? Well done

Neymar is not better than hazard until he plays in the epl with hazard but messi is better than hazard and doesn't have to play in the epl to prove it. well done

"Mkhitaryan = 41 goals and 49 assists in 140 games for Dortmund = 0.64 goal contribution per game.

Hazrad = 56 goals and 55 assists in 208 games for Chelsea = 0.53 goal contribution per game.

Mkhitaryan no penalties for Dortmund, Hazard 16 penalties for Chelsea.

Normalising for penalties, Hazard = 40 goals and 55 assists in 208 Chelsea games = 0.46 goal contribution per game.

Over a 52 game per season average that Hazard has played at Chelsea, that is an extra 10 goal a season contribution from Mkhitaryan."

Hazard is still better than mkhitaryan in terms of contributions, okay explain, I never hear from you since then


You see all the rubbish you've been saying since morning? No offence

Finish third to someone that has five balon de or? Abeg go rest your head. You not get talk. Repeating same line in every post.

Nihilist:
If you think Oscar in the team on preseason form, then you should ask yourself why RLC and especially Aina are not yet starters. Chalobah too.

Oscar is a tactical inclusion. That injection of pace and tactical discipline he brings is not easily replicated in our squad. The only other guy who offers that is Kante and he has a different job to do.

I understand your point bro and I am with you on that. Ibime is not understanding your point about oscar. He wants to see that AMF with stats, either by goals or assist like lampard or iniesta and you're saying though he's not that but he's useful in other area that gives the team in midfield more balance compare to matic at the moment which is true.

elrony:
I don tire for you!!!.. your amoebic approach to simple questions makes me wonder if you lack comprehensibility,or you just pretending to! (No offence).

For clarity;
You said Neymar and Hazard shouldn't be compared (on the better player)until they play in the same league. Which is quite absurd!

In that same context to make you see the light,I then asked you a simple question;
Does Messi have to play in the EPL, before we can say he's better than all the EPL forwards?

Crystal!!

So feel free to answer "Yes" or "No". That's all!!...

If you hell bent on flipping, forget it!

And I am saying you're asking me a foolish question. No offense. Is there any player better than messi in football world but there are players better than Neymar so his talent is still debatable.
Football is not mathematics that 1+1 is 2, there are some factors that have to be consider when analyzing players. Messi will do excellently well in epl except his 40+ goals per season in la Liga will not happen in epl.

dopeJemi:
[s]Messi is not better than willian and Oscar until he plays in the same league with them

Messi is not better than muller and robben until he plays in the same league with them

Messi is not better than Lucas moura and pastore until he plays in the same league with them

Messi is not better than salah and dybala until he plays in the same league with them


Hear talk[/s]

Youre off point again. I can see your psyche has been dealt with this afternoon. You're trying hard to bring barca into this. You guys are the ones mentioning messi and I am of the opinion that messi will do excellently well in epl except scoring 40+ goals in a season and I believe a sensible football follower will agree with me on that.

dopeJemi:
Are you aware Neymar is a balon d'or finalist?

which nationality is mkhitaryan? Mumu question everywhere. Smh

bigkesh:
Nihilist is right,Matic is the worst but that doesn't mean Oscar isn't bad...
As for me,both of them should die on the bench...

If we replace Matic with Fab then Kante plays as DM?? Nope..... Can't have our best CM playing DM for that idiot

It should be Fan,Kante and a DM....Am seriously praying Conte is fair enough to consider Chalobah


And yes Oscar is our scapegoat and will always be.....Matic gave us a full season of quality service,what has Oscar ever done for us apart from deceiving us with his stupid early season displays which saw KDB and Mata leave

oscar has not be deceiving, his undo is his strength/physique in a more intensed opponent. we all know pre season is played with less intense and oscar position is always threatened so he had to play to his best in pre seaon were opponent are not serious and that make him to be the best thing after slice bread in coach's eyes.

elrony:
The emboldened is just very very laughable (lmao).

You tryna flipflop or what?...

I didn't ask you about survival rate or instinct here bro!..it's just a simple question.

Does Messi have to play in the EPL,before we can say he's better than all the EPL forwards? (Since they play in different leagues ).

It's that simple!!!.. gimme a straight yes or no answer! !

what's your point? That Neymar and messi are now in same level or what? Please clarify your question. Are you ware messi has five balon de or huh.

Ibime:
Mkhitaryan = 41 goals and 49 assists in 140 games for Dortmund = 0.64 goal contribution per game.

Hazrad = 56 goals and 55 assists in 208 games for Chelsea = 0.53 goal contribution per game.

Mkhitaryan no penalties for Dortmund, Hazard 16 penalties for Chelsea.

Normalising for penalties, Hazard = 40 goals and 55 assists in 208 Chelsea games = 0.46 goal contribution per game.

Over a 52 game per season average that Hazard has played at Chelsea, that is an extra 10 goal a season contribution from Mkhitaryan.

Comparing Hazard to other players should not be done with numbers. He is not a high volume man. Gervinho and Moussa Sow consistently outscored him at Lille, yet he was better than them.

You should be telling this to dopejemi because I am not a fan of stat, it's deceiving. I am talking of who's a better player they will bring up stat. All this messi and cr7 football fan era. Smh

elrony:
Why are you like this?...

So Messi has to come and play in EPL before we can assume he is better than all the attackers in the league?

Neymar is a better player than Hazard,you can't argue that one bit!!!

Stop using league and club excuse when it isn't viable at all!!!

Neymar is not better than hazard until they play in same league either epl or la Liga. But one thing I am sure of Neymar will not survive in epl messi will due to his stamina with the ball although he will not be recording 40+ goals in a season just like cr7 when he was in epl.

dopeJemi:
You are mouthed, that right there is why I have ignored the silly questions those guys have been asking

It's clear for a blind man to see

So you guys now think you know Jose more than cfc fan? Just .

Let me tell you one Jose secret, "he's very open minded, he's a non sentimental man". Mata only sin against Jose at Chelsea was his inability to mark when defending but since the present manure squad are full of muscle men; starting from defense to attack then Mata can be use. Of course Jose is aware of Mata's quality and also, he's a proven epl player unlike mkhitaryan that came from a club were players sold most times always end up as a flop. Jose is after three points, he's not a gambler so he always want special role for special player not experimenting position with different players. If you're observant, this is one of the reason Jose overuse his first eleven and if they are not strong mentally and physically they "run out of gas", by then it is either the players start having issues with him in dressing room or they are off form.

Funlordjnr:
As the season progresses your teams central midfield is going to be comprised of fab, kante and 1 of either matic or mikel!



But going by the logic of some of these your pea brained brothers, fab now being on the bench is as a result of the fact that conte has discovered him to be a pathetic midfielder!



Fab is your best midfielder hands down, oscar is just enjoying a fitness based run in the team and costas main hope is fab! Eventually your coach will realise this and oscar would go back to checking his text messages on the bench!

You mean matic right? Even conte is aware fab is the best among the rest in Chelsea midfield so no need for insult.

Nihilist:
Herd mentality is a bad thing.

If we analyse the Chelsea midfield three objectively, the person who shouldn't be in the team is Matic.

Oscar isn't the most creative player on the team, but he injects energy into the middle as he runs from box to box. Kante is the defensive lynchpin of the side. What does Matic do? He creates fewer chances than the more defensive Kante. He makes fewer interceptions and tackles than the more attacking Oscar.

But nobody is questioning that, because visionless Oscar must somehow be blamed sha.Once we've found our scapegoat, we stick to it like glue.

Fab is being benched by Matic not Oscar. That's just a simple fact.

Youre right though. Matic should be bench instead of Oscar. Atleast Oscar doesn't glue the ball to his leg unnecessary like matic does. Oscar is more athletic also and can compliment fab with that when being countered by opponent.

dopeJemi:
[s]Lemme use your statement

Mkhitaryan's past glory is 23 goals and 17 assists

Ikedia's past glory is 3 goals and 0 to 1 assist

You are right, they are not mates[/s]

You're beginning to sound like a kid flogged severely. Go play somewhere your ignorance have being corrected.

dopeJemi:
Mkhitaryan will become choice for hazard,

productivity will become third choice for unproductivity,

23 goals and 17 assists will become third choice for 3 goals, 19 goals and 11 assists

A proven goal scorer will become third choice for a push and stop player


Clap for yourself, you've done well

Are you aware mkhitaryan was once a flop in a lower league. Your consistency is not guarantee in epl mostly, as a winger. As good as cr7 his last season stat for manure was lower compare to his previous. Hazard suffered an injury last season coupled with mou tantrums against him,fact is almost cfc players were off form last season to tell you something was wrong.

lordfalcao:
no mind that man u man. we're talking about two players in the same league, he is talking about mhikity's past glory... if i talk of hazard that handed ligue 1 title to lille nko

As in the way they analyze football here is baffling. Most times they spew trash without even putting things into consideration.

lordfalcao:
all this one's na excuses, ibime is right about rooney. if Jose drops rooney the press will come for his head.. but I don't understand why mata is also benching a 23 assists player. maybe it's also politics

i understand Rooney own na that Mata me dey talk also. why I dey vex for ibime be say he always accept anything thrown at hazard by this anti-hazard. Me don dey think say them dey sort him some dough Abi wetin you think?

lordfalcao:
why is a top assists in the bundesliga sitting on the bench every week?

Same question I'm asking my brother. Ibime said it is politics lol. Same Mata that was sold by Jose is getting a regular shirt.

patrickmuf:
Man of Match in an all round uninspiring display from Chelsea, attacking wise...You try.
Hazard and Chelsea haven't done anything of note attacking wise, wait till you guys come up against a good team before you start shouting man of the match upandan.

So mkhitaryan can be praised for scoring against koln fc same for Neymar but hazard have to play against tougher team before he can be praised abi? Your left balls there.

Which top team hazard never for display his talent before; from Bayern to Barca to Real Madrid to manure urinated to Liverpool to arsenal to man city to Tottenham..

Ibime:
JM can't come in a club and start high profile conflicts with powerful players after the season he's just had.

Whether immediately or in the long run, it is unwise to stick your neck out over Hazard vs Miki.

Miki has always been a high volume scorer and assister. You can't just put Hazard up against men with consistent high volume numbers because that is not his game.

why not use him ahead of Mata mr. If he's that good. I know Jose to be non sentimental coach when it comes to selection. Forget politics, Jose always admire Rooney style of play right from God know when. Same Jose that bench casillas or is Rooney
More legendary than casillas. Even, most
Manure fans in Manchester want him benched or sold, except maybe now that the result is coming under Jose.

elrony:
Hensben hope you aren't a stubborn fellow... heed to the words of the elders!!!

Sir Ibime has spoken

which elders? Na who don dey Tay pass for nairaland or na for football matters? If na for the later sorry no elder for inside.

Ibime:
JM can't come in a club and start high profile conflicts with powerful players after the season he's just had.

Whether immediately or in the long run, it is unwise to stick your neck out over Hazard vs Miki.

Miki has always been a high volume scorer and assister. You can't just put Hazard up against men with consistent high volume numbers because that is not his game.

So what's your point mr? Are you saying mkhitaryan is a better footballer than hazard? Go straight to the point.

dopeJemi:
Okay, should we start again? So that i'll slap you with facts and stats, should we?

You that can not stand the heat. From mikhitiryan to Neymar.

I don't like comparing players playing in different league unlike you guys.

From kagawa better than hazard to depay and now mkhitaryan. Time will tell for mkhitaryan own. So far, Hazard two man of the match.

dopeJemi:
Don't mind me, was just messing with ya

You're forgiven son. *rub his head*

dopeJemi:
For what ibime just said, I will end this argument

I never knew you are that inept of discussing football matters . I use to think you chose to be sentimental.

dopeJemi:
Fifa ranking says otherwise, Belgium tops brazil

Neymar- taken his team to the CL final, Taken his team to a world cup semi final, taken his team to an Olympic final, balon d'or finalist

Griezman- taken his team to the CL final, taken his team to Euros final, Europe's best player finalist

When will hazard make these feats?

Well, that's not the issue now, ignore this post

Youre making same mistake over and over again. I repeat Neymar is in a better team and a less intense league so it is injustice to hazard. We all know what hazard did with Lille before psg starts splashing the cash so you see.

lekkie073:
keep the best for d last...by the time mkhi starts, all of una go dey bark 'wow woe's
three of four Jose signings who happened to be having a starting berth r already being thrown accolades left right and centre......even to the relatively unknown bailly.
Jose has something up his sleeves by deciding not to start mkhi just yet and I believe the Armenian will be fully unleashed against our next door neighbours when we meet next month


with regards to being rusty, Dats why he is being introduced to play just 15 to 20 mins in order to get acquainted with the team

You will apologize to me at the end of the season. Mark my words. Nor be Dortmund una buy am from again. Don't get me wrong, He's a good player to a certain level.