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raumdeuter:
How many WC did Ukraine win for Sheva to win Ballon D or?

If Ibra cannot lead Sweden to a world cup How about leading his numerous teams to a CL finals. He has played in at least 6 clubs now

If you claim you come from a poor country how about showing your stuff at clubside level

ibra loyalty to a club let him down why? he switches club like a prostitute or you mean to say since he left inter or barca they have been winning ucl consistently.

raumdeuter:
Being a grade A team depends on how you are faring in the elite CL competition in recent seasons

Arsenal has only ever made 1 CL final and 1 semi finals, So how does that make one a grade A team.

AS Monaco too was in Pot 1 in the link you showed, So what does that mean?

it means that during thierry henry time at arsenal they were a grade A team..if for example barca start performing below expectation for good 3 seasons they will be demoted just like ac milan now(i.e, no huge budget, no quality players, no european game) thats the rule of the game, no permanent grade A team as you think, Ac milan only have history now but they are no longer a grade A team... you are mistaking history with grade A team( that's, history is permanent unlike club rating/grade) lol.

raumdeuter:
What about Ibra? Never won a CL, never made the final, Never won a world cup, never made the finals. Never made top 3 Balon D or,

Actually when Ibra leaves a team they likely get better.

before ibra how many WC did sweden win? before any team win a major trophy they must be good every area of the pitch and a sound coach too that's why it's a team sport.. football is the perfect description of that adage which says ' a tree can not make a forest'.

jimmy4x:
lol...leave am, I go still push am enter pit, shebi him sabi argue wella.

he said arsenal has always been a grade B team lol how about this; arsenal squad then was in pot 1 in ucl so they were automatically a grade A team then.
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/history/seedcl2003.html

Debroslink:
Leave them make them they jam talk

you are wrong...arsenal squad then was in pot 1 in ucl so they were automatically a grade A team then.
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/history/seedcl2003.html

raumdeuter:
What about Ibra? Never won a CL, never made the final, Never won a world cup, never made the finals. Never made top 3 Balon D or,

Actually when Ibra leaves a team they likely get better.

you didn't answer my last question; nedved pulled out how many goals and assist the year he won it?

raumdeuter:
Arsenal is and has always been a grade B team. The European elites are few

arsenal squad then was in pot 1 so they were automatically a grade A team then.
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/history/seedcl2003.html

raumdeuter:
Arsenal is and has always been a grade B team. The European elites are few

you are wrong...arsenal squad then was in pot 1 in ucl so they were automatically a grade A team then.
http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/history/seedcl2003.html

raumdeuter:
Nedved was Balon D or winner, Euro cup finalist and CL finalist. What exactly does he have in common with Ikedia Hazard

How about ibra? btw, hazard still has more years so chill..some players won it at their later stage while some at early stage of their career. one last question; how many goals and assist did nedved pulled out the year(2003) he won it? since that's the criteria you are guys base your argument on.

Debroslink:
Those 2 players upgraded to grade A teams, and they have helped or helping their teams to continental glory.

Hazard has been in a grade A team for 3 years. How has he helped your team to a true continental glory?

What these 2 players have achieved in their 1st season in grade A team, Hazard hasn't done so in his career.

so arsenal during thierry henry time was grade B team right see talk ..go rest you nor get talk.

Debroslink:
Dude, make I just let you rest.

And all you Chelsea fans on this thread, learn how to place Hazard properly. He's a local champion. His wings has not grown beyond epl. When he achieves real continental glory as an important player, then he will earn my respect.

ibra, nedved and so many great players are sh.tty too

A40:
You went all the way back to 08 to search for my posts. You are on some serious Stan shyte bro

an arsenal fan ...no wonder!!!

Makapounse:
Nice move.. What of half naked or braless ladies walking here and there, to temptate guyz,..........

ehen! e.g like ritababe profile pic...bro check

FrancisTony:
Great measure, but should be done with substantial evidence as some girls are not smiling.

An avenue to set trap for their boyfriend who dump them.

first time wey u make sense

folba:
Good news just he hasn't been very convincing since his return from injury.He is still young tho and he is surely an upgrade over Cleverly.

another kagawa lol.dortmund players are made for dortmund only, they struggle outside that club e.g, kagawa, goetze, sahin and lewandowsky....my mighty barca know all these..well, it's good news for my epl club(chelsea).

homesteady:
Did you read the 1st 2 points?
Did he play only 6 games to win South America player of the year?

did you not see where I wrote that I won't mention his league awards?

south america? where he is been pampered/hyped by pele and co so that brazil can have world player like messi by fire by force..same thing they did to robinho, where is he today....like i said earlier the end shall tell between neymar and hazard...the only thing that will keep neymar going for sometime is him playing for barca and messi is still there to take the pressure away from him by creating easy goals for him unlike hazard.

homesteady:
1)South American footballer of the year (×2)
2)Let me not mention the awards he got from his league!
3) Puskas award for best goal
4) Confed cup Golden boot
5) Confed bronze boot
6) World Cup bronze boot

Hazard ain't got nothing on Neymar when it comes to individual awards!

tournament of about 6 games or so to 38 league games lol.

homesteady:
And what has hazard achieved? wining PFA player of the year when his competitors were Kane and Coutinho?

league 1 young player of the year twice, league 1 player of the year, epl young player of the year and epl player of the year now tell me that of neymar's..i dey wait.

raumdeuter:
WHats chances created when we are not talking about assist? Its like counting shots taken instead of goals scored, or a keeper counting number of dives instead of actual shot stopped.

Dribbling is just another skill like heading running etc. They are useless when you dont use it to achieve score or assist.

Do you see anyone awarded anything because he knows how to head the ball or run without scoring or assisting. Valencia is rated as the fastest footballer, Who cares about that skill?

ok let me tell you importance of dribbling and play-make; it di-stabilizes opponent thereby, creating space for team mate to either score or assist just like what iniesta and xavi does for barca reason they have lesser assist/goals per season compare to the likes of lampard, gerrard in their prime. the formal wins more trophies( e.g; xavi-iniesta in spain) compare to the later (e.g; lampard-gerrard in england),it has been so since history of the game because the later is mainly base on individual play(i.e lampard want to score, gerrard want to score as well, no cohesive play among the two hence leaving the midfield vulnerable for opponent to shi..t on). you still don't get it? lol

bigkesh:
This is the gist....
Iniesta dribbles two, plays a defence splitting pass to Messi.... Messi plays a one-two with Suarez nd he lays it off for neymar.. GOAL...... interchange the positions and u gat the same result...
When u play 4-3-3, u play 3 attackers.. When u get the ball u av 2 other partners, a short and 'ok' pass gets u an assist esp when that pass is to Suarez and Messi....
A counter attack, u play with each other.....
Iniesta and Xavi never had more than 15 assists each, y?? Pedro messi VillA running things, thats y u hear Msn and not Busquet, Xavi nd iniesta......
This also explains y an ok passer in Cr7 has double figure assists, it explains y BBC has more assist than their their mfs......
They will av more assist but they will never have more forward passes, accurate passes and chances created.....

Stats tell the true story when u use it well

bro abeg help tell that kiddo..all what he has been screaming is goals goals..ok should we now say lampard>>iniesta and xavi combined since football is all about who scored/assisted. lol

raumdeuter:
Hazard was the one who failed to track an Atletico player which led to Chelsea elimination.

Neymar was the one who scored 3 goals out of 5 in a CL semi that saw Barca in the final

SPOT THE DIFFERENCE

no sense in what you typed...football is a team sport, if suarez failed to score psg probably barca will be out same with messi against bayern with his solo run and assist won barca the match. hazard failed to track back? lol you just dey yarn like who new start to watch football. no offense.

raumdeuter:
Where is the evidence of this overall output?

I can see Goals I can see assists. Is it that Hazard has more saves or dives more than Neymar?

chances created(not assist), interception/assisting in defending, dribbling these are what count for hazard, same thing ribery did for bayern that awarded him third/2nd best footballer in the world and europe best.

raumdeuter:
Neymars 3 goals are the reason Barca is in the finals why Hazards 2 goals from open play are part of the reasons Chelsea has been knocked out since March

it's not the reason chelsea was knocked out rather, the defense/ the team overall failed to neither is neymar goals the reason barca are in final but the team considering they are some game suarez won too like against psg same with messi..ok if it's so why didn't cr7 zillion goals this season gave real madrid atleast one trophy...common sense is not common.lol.

raumdeuter:
Is this why Neymar has the same assists as Hazard? or did they ban Hazard from making assists too?

individual overall performances this season hazard>>neymar, that's what you fail to get due to sentiments.

raumdeuter:
Did Hazards 2 goals from open play win him golden boot? You should tell us what Hazard has done in CL that Neymar hasnt

I can tell you that Neymar is playing a final and worst case would win runner up, tell us about Azadus

neymar is playing the final? lol football is a team sport so barca is playing the final...how many times them go correct una.

raumdeuter:
You said Neymar is a striker and Hazard is a midfielder, yet Hazard cant even assist more goals than Neymar

SO in which output does Hazard do better?

hazard is a left midfielder in 4-2-3-1 formation while neymar is left wing forward in 4-3-3 formation. ST= striker is synonymous to ronaldo de lima, lacazette, suarez and aguero.. CF= centre forward is synonymous to drogba, costa, lewandowsky, inzaghi, nisterooy....

raumdeuter:
Keep bringing the excuses let me be shooting it down

Neymar 2 seasons with Barca, Hazard 3 seasons with Chelsea

Neymar 13 CL goals, Hazard 5 CL goals (3 penalties)

Neymar 6 CL assists, Hazard 6 CL assists

So give me the next excuse let me blow it out sharp sharp

In 2 seasons Neymar has matched Hazards total assists and more than doubled his goals output in the CL

i gave you the reason already one is LMF while the other is LWF...hazard falls deep way too much due to mou tactical set up unlike neymar..i know you wouldn't understand due to sentiment... lets see how they become at the end of their career. creating chances/play-make is different from assist.

raumdeuter:
Neymar is in Europe's biggest competition final within 2 seasons in Europe, Hazard has never made the competition finals the only chance he had of making it, he let his team down.

Worst case scenario by Saturday Neymar would have a runners up medal in addition to his 13 goals. WHat does Hazard have in Europes biggest tournament

hazard had europa cup medal already, definitely he will get ucl medal that i'm very sure of.

raumdeuter:
In football, the biggest trophies are the WOrldcup, Champions league, EUro cup in that order

If a player can dominate a world cup then its senseless to ask about what he would do in FA cup. Like a man who wins the Olympics 100m dash and next thing you are asking why didnt he win his High school 100m

Ronaldo Lima, Pele, Maradona dominated world cups and its senseless for anyone to start asking why they didnt win lesser competitions like CL, Europa League etc

All top players would point to a high point in their career, WOrld cup wins, CL wins, Euro cup wins, CL finals appearance, World cup finals appearance etc.

WHat does Hazard have to show

your example about a man who won olympics 100m dash is flawed why? football is a team sport unlike a MAN...there is no way ronaldo de lima or pele or zidane can play against 11 players without the help of his remaining team mate. before the emergence of hazard when last did belgium as a nation win a trophy... individual award is what is been use in this context and hazard is there with his peers if not above them already. his peers are neymar, pogba, bale, et al (excluding messi and cr7).

raumdeuter:
Both are attackers, and attackers are measured by output
. Neymar murders Hazard when we check their output

So whats this overall performance? Is it their dressing or boot color

hazard LMF, neymar LWF..spot the difference...one is to play-make, create chances for his team while the other enjoy tap-in from either suarez or messi.

raumdeuter:
Neymar 13 CL goals in 2 seasons average 6.5 goals per season
Muller 28 CL goals in 6 seasons average 5 goals per season
Bale 9 CL goals in 3 seasons average 3 goals per season
Reus 10 CL goals in 3 seasons average 3.3 per season
Gotze 9 CL goals in 4 seasons average 2.25

HAZARD 5 CL goals in 4 seasons average 1.2 goals per season and 0.5 goals from open play per season

^^^ That above is the definition of failure

hazard first season with chelsea they were eliminated in group stage, 2nd season they got to semi and now his third season round16 compare to bayern and barca for same 3 seasons who always got semi or final. so its not hazard's fault, chelsea as a club have been on a rebuilding process after winning ucl munich...common sense.

A40:
Ode ni e. You be oluku!

Zidane has always showed up on the big stage. Deciding big matches UCL and World Cup Finals. What has Hazard done outside the EPL

We have been asking you eediots that question for almost 3 months but no one has been able to answer.

Excellent chances and dribbles against West Brom and Aston Villa is not what puts you in the same pantheon with Zizou and other great players.

How many times do we have to spell it out to this ret@rd?

do you even know zidane became a world class player at age of 25 or 26. hazard is just 24 so chill...ps: i'm not comparing him to zidane because i know that's your next lamentation.