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MMotimo:
I only read the first line of this before and didn’t bother with the rest. Now, I have some time.

“ Nobody holy pass” has become the excuse for a multitude of sins - yahoo yahoo, money ritual, polithiefing, influencer profiteering, etc. Nobody holy pass is the reason why you would without a second thought become the mouthpiece of a child rapist abi? And assume that everyone else would do the same thing if they had the opportunity, ko?

@bolded: Some of you think everyone on here grew up the same way you did with zero moral compass. I’m not the epitome of perfection but understand that you and I do not belong in the same class when it comes to morals and scruples. You don’t have to believe me but hear this- My mother put the fear of lying and stealing into her children at a very early age. That is why till tomorrow, myself and my siblings do not lie and do not steal nor bear false witness. Yet, without exception, God has prospered us and blessed our offspring in ways we could not even imagine. Through it all, not one of us has ever been involved in any sort of criminal behaviour or aided criminality. God has prospered us through the work of our hands without us identifying with rapists and criminals.

“Oruko rere san ju wura lo” a good name is better than gold
Ranti omo eni ti iwo nse remember the child of whom you are
Evil communication corrupts good manners

The above and more are what we heard from older family members and friends when we were growing up. These are everlasting values that we teach and preach to our own children. These are the values upon which we were raised. Ultimately, even without those, God had blessed each person, INCLUDING YOU with a sense of right and wrong.

Go back and read about my $1 example on the previous page. Like I’ve said before, ALL WAY NO BE WAY! That is why lots of us have lived abroad for decades and never seen the inside of a police vehicle or a jail or even been interrogated or become a suspect in any crime. Hustling to make ends meet is not a crime but hustling that is completely devoid of scruples and the basics of human decency is. That you would even consider hustling on the back of a 13 year old rape victim is particularly egregious!

The tribalism on Nairaland is bad enough, it is disastrous that rapists, their apologists and all manner of perverts have created a thriving community on this site. To the extent that characters like yourself with a “followership base” see nothing wrong with capitalizing on said Nland yeyebrity influence to advance the cause of a duly convicted and unrepentant serial sex offender.

Until you provide an incontrovertible evidence to prove that chatinent supported the convicted fellow because of some form of inducement (financial or any kind), then you’re not really telling the truth too.

And again, trying to paint a perfect human picture of yourself says a lot about how far you’re willing to go to hang chatinent - honestly, I don’t know why you would do so.

The truth is even after saying he made a mistake supporting a convicted rapist, you continue to pass snide comments.

And FYI, you’re not the only one brought up with a good moral compass, stop acting like you’re the only one who hates rapists (So many people do too but it doesn’t make them close minded since cases of false rape alarm abounds too).

If someone like you was close to Brian banks during his travails, your unnecessary vilifications would have obstructed anyone who could have end up helping him, because to you since he was convicted of rape already, no one should even listen to him.

Chatinent was wrong, he has accepted, yet, almighty you feels he should be hang for being naive and gullible - this speaks a lot about your person.

chatinent:
That's not your problem.

Your problem is that you want me to come out to insult, abuse, and curse Bah after seeing the Tokyo report. You can be straightforward with it. I didn't curse or abuse him shouldn't be your business. You also don't read minds!

About your case, you are wrong again. I brought it up because the same way you are the only one telling us what happened in your case was the same way Bah was narrating what happened.

The difference is that Bah had an international recognition and his case was littered around the web. He was also convicted. Many people read what transpired. The court found him guilty. He also had another Tokyo case he was also guilty of.

But yours, you are the only one telling us what happened...and you have also been referring to me with all sorts of names...without recourse to. You have also convicted me!

I had to remind you that even though you are repentant as you claim, you were once guilty of a similar crime too...and you were not innocent! It didn't make you the bigger blabla. No bi by wearing agbada.

Every other person getting angry are doing so because I supported a convicted man! Your own reason isn't even because he was convicted but because he is unrepentant. If you must attack, attack him directly.


You should cool down already! You are older than this! No bi everybody dey abuse people up and down. If you were even observant, I depicted my stand in this case in the morning even before every other post came.

To be honest, the bolder part in itself isn’t exactly something you should be hanged for, all faults and blames still on the convicted felon for his manipulative behavior which you and some others fell for.

At some point, Brian banks had people who supported him even tho he was “convicted” and at the end, they were praised for their steadfastness and believe in him.

Bah is a rapist (as it has been factually proven by a competent court), every anger should be directed at him and no one else. Giving a listening ear to a convicted person (who turns out to be a manipulative rapist) doesn’t make one a rape apologist - and those who still wants to call you names should go ahead and do so.

chatinent:
Maybe she is a mother. It's understandable.

Yeah, I understand. But she should please tone down the name-callings. At this junction, most of us, if not all are on same page on the convicted fellow already.

chatinent:
Mmotimo, maybe you can stop tagging my username all over the thread. Don't make people disrespect you when you think you are right in what you say and how you feel but you allow your annoyance deliberately try to hurt another.

Your points are clear...and you have been repeating them over tagging me. You have called me all sorts of names. It's fine. I understand.

You have bought the anger. I understand.

You have made your points. I understand.

Rape is a traumatic experience! Yes, it is. There is nowhere I said I supported rape. There is nowhere I said the child deserved to be raped.

In fact, I acknowledged the child was raped. My argument then were focused on some facts if the evidences were falsified...or sb pulling the strings behind the scene.

I only said then that he could be innocent of the crime if those facts he provided were truly falsified.


You are not perfect either. We are all humans. You don't keep accusing sb directly of what they are not because you want to satisfy your anger.

Thank you.

I actually still don’t understand her anger after everything that has been said and said. She has continued talking down on people all because she wants to prove she’s angry. She keeps talking about “her” point of view forgetting that others are in their right to air “their” point of views too.

Please Mmotimo, your points all over the thread has shown you’re legally correct with all your reasonings and the convicted fellow is whatever names you have called him.

Please and please, stop the continuous name-calling, it’s beneath you intellectually.

Thanks ma’am!!

Skyview01:
Wrong! He is looking for people to sympathize with him and offer help in whatever way. That is the whole essence off this threa and the attack is neccessary for reasons i mentioned above.

How will I explain this to you again sir? My message has nothing to do with the convicted felon. Read my message again, especially the response from the person I quoted, you would get the point.

I repeat, I am not asking you to sympathize with a convicted felon, please don’t misrepresent my message. Thank you sir!

daddytime:
If you follow my posts, you won't believe I attack people who have dissenting or opposing views when they didn't quote me to attack my person and submissions.

If you'd submit your point of view without having to quote or attack me, I'd read your submission, learn one or two things from it, and move on.

You can go through my post history and indeed this thread, if you don't attack me with curse words, I won't give it back. Most times I just ignore the attacks but sometimes it just gets too personal and for no just cause and I give back as much as I get.

Well, I can understand. This thread taught me some life lessons tho.

Peace be unto you sir!

Skyview01:
The reason for the well-deserved attack on Mr. Bah was his blatant lies and deceits, even after he had been tried and convicted with incontrovertible evidence. Mr. Bah set out to manipulate and deliberately mislead well-meaning Nigerians on Nairaland after he raped the poor girl.
If he was smart enough, he would have shown some remorse at trial, pled guilty, apologize to the victim and throw himself at the mercy of the court and we would not be here today talking about three life sentences and 76 years. The criminal deserves what he got served and no sympathy from me whatsoever. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

Nobody is asking you to sympathize with a convicted felon sir! My message was about the unnecessary attacks on opposing opinions.

Thank you sir!!!

daddytime:
I'm just led to address you with a bit a of my story just to correct some erroneous beliefs from you and chattiness, and believe me, this is coming from a position of love and I am hoping and pray that you are able to grasp just one lesson and maybe understand that hypocrisy has got a better meaning than you assumed.

You see, when I got enmeshed in the business of reaping from where I hadn't sown, to me, I thought it was an easy way out of poverty and indeed the best way in vogue.

In my time, there were no social media (FB, WhatsApp, etc) the grind then was more of manual scouting/scrapping for email addresses or postal addresses.

We started off as apprentices otherwise known as "shoe-shiners" because it was our duty to make sure the bosses' chores are sorted before we could even be allowed to listen to Oga's conversation with a client or see any of the faxed documents coming in or going out.

I learned the ropes from the ground up into when Social media was birthed and mobile phones had become a free-for-all. (This is to correct the belief that I am preaching karma and living right because I squandered my wealth and don't know how to continue making it if indeed I so chose to live). When you look around you today to see 13,14,15 years and above enmeshed in this evil lifestyle, making evil money, and you conclude that I am vexed because I can't make it in that same line if I chose to, then I have no words for you.

My ex-partners in crime are still all over the world, and just a WhatsApp message would be enough for me to continue doing the evil business. But I deliberately stayed out of touch because I have decided to tow a different line.

I'm going to give you one or two stories for you to understand why I'm on this course of preaching Karma, causes and effects, and crime and punishment.

As an apprentice, my chairman had a "big" client then who was his very good paymaster. This client would pay so much that my oga would even forget to keep in touch on the next billing because there was so much money to flex with. Until one day when my boss tried reaching him without a response for a while. And then one day he decided to try the landline one more time when luckily the man's wife picked up and announced his demise. My boss had refused to believe until the woman sent a faxed picture of the man lying in his casket for his funeral.

We were a group of young boys as apprentices, and I'd later branch out to be on my own having learned the rudiments of the game and started making money on my own. But there was one of my apprentice-mate then called "Chukwu" (not real name), he would remain with our chairman as his P.A and all.

One day we were together and he was lamenting on how he was on the phone with a female client who had been paying for only God knows how long and the next thing he heard was kprakkkk like someone committing suicide, and that he has been calling the line with no further response after that incident meaning the client ending her own life out of frustration.

In my case, the most money I made came from a fellow African (A Sudanese), this is very important to those who claim they are doing this shitty business to collect back what the white man stole from their forefathers-lame excuse as usual. Heck, we even had a Nigerian client born in the UK whom we fleeced to ground zero until he started introducing his Asian friends ignorantly into the scheme to get fleeced out too.

My Sudanese paymaster had a fledging trucking business. I would obtain money from him in deceit and go on to establish my own trucking business in Nigeria. You can check my old moniker gaby. As at 2006, I had a fleet of 7- 30 tons dump trucks and trailers. How I ever could believe I would destroy someone's life and business to enjoy mine is still a mystery to me today. If I should write about what happened with my trucking business, it will take a full page here.

Have I talked about an old couple who had been our clients and were paying until they retired and were still cajoled by my boss to hand in their retirement benefits? They brought the monies across the border in duffel bags one of which I straddled on my back on my boss' directive to take home for him. The next day, my boss woke up and was on the phone with his dad when after the conversation he turned to us and said "na wa oh".... "My papa say dem just dupe am of him pension money". If this isn't karma, please, tell me what it is.

When the bubble busted and the Feds would call for a massive crackdown on us and our enterprise, my boss had been picked up quietly from the airport, Chukwu (my boss' PA) had been picked up, and I got arrested too.

During interrogation, I was confronted with every evidence in the book down to my pictures and voice recordings because our phones had been tapped without us knowing.

With the array of incontrovertible evidence, it'd have been fool-hardy for me to keep denying my photographs and voice. The only thing I was advised by my lawyer was to give a " no comment" answer to their subsequent queries because it was my right and the evidence they have against me which had been shared with him can be argued if I refused to talk any further and I rope myself further in ignorantly.

Meanwhile, Chukwu and my boss had been grilled and already extradited to the US. Seeing what they had on him, my boss would go on to plead guilty, pay back some money, and was handed an 8-year jail sentence. That's for the Billionaire who profited more from every fund that came in oh.

Chukwu, on the other hand, went on to play the kind of game Mr Bah had been playing. Instead of him accepting the evidence against him which could proven beyond every reasonable doubt to his complicity and plead guilty as well, he kept on denying and digging a bigger hole for himself with plenty shalayes. He ended up getting a 9-year jail sentence which they both did and the the the the chairman would come out before his boy.

I was fiddling with my phone sometime in 2016 when a WhatsApp message would pop up on my screen.. Who be this? It was Chukwu. He had just been released and repatriated.

We had a long talk, reminisced about the old-time, and told him about my new life. He told me how he is putting up at Chairman's house obviously with nothing to start up on, and how he was waiting for Chairman to give him a promised #20m to start up his life.
In the course of the chat, I needed to step out on an errand. So, I told him we'd chat later.

That was the last time I'd ever talk to Chukwu. Chukwu passed on that same day in a very mysterious way. He was found slumped in the car with his girlfriend- different from the girlfriend we all knew him with. The one he told me he would be getting married to in a few months during our chat. The one who stood by him all through his incarceration years. The one who would travel all the way from the Netherlands every other month to visit him in the US pen. Life...

Chukwu had been in Europe a good 12 years before I even thought of trekking the desert to go find a "better" life.

For the most part of these years, he had done prison termsssss for drug trafficking and then the 9 years for fraud and would later die just after his last prison term.

Chukwu passed on without a wife or kid to call his.

When the people you see living "large", envy and look up to get bold and convicted as I am today to tell you how it truly sits with them in their closets as we the inner caucuses know it, only then will you understand that I am not truly stupid.

Why should I be ashamed to tell the truth and keep liberating myself and anyone else who seeks to truly be free from the throes of living a crime, lie, and ignorance? As a matter of fact, fear no even day my dictionary abi you never read how I take dey sleep for cemetery while on my way through the desert all by myself?

When the conviction came for me to tell my story and eventually do the book, I had refused to hold back anything however damning and laughable they might appear to anyone because I knew that telling it the way it is was the only way I'd succeed in whatever message I was bent on passing on.

When my parents and siblings got a hold of my book, they weren't really as pleased as they should have even though they were all surprised for all I had to go through. They naturally would have expected I curried it all to prevent the " what would people say or think".

But how do I tell my story without recourse to the very foundation upon which I was thrust into the life I would come to see and live?

How would my story make any sense to you if I failed to tell you in honest terms how my old school parents loved making kids so much in the hopes that at least of these kids would turn out well and be the Messiah of the family until they "manufactured" 11 of us kids with limited resources to give us all a good quality of life no matter how daddy and mummy struggled to fend for us all and eventually making me the dupe of the whole arrangement because as young as I was then, I already figured something had got to give and daddy would be needing a support to cater properly to all us kids. With this in mind, I told myself school had got to wait while I venture out to go find a way out of the present quagmire and should I meet my end while at it, I asked God to rest my soul, if for no other reason but for the reason that I had refused to sit still amid my present family dynamics, yet die, but chose to die while trying to make an impact in mine and my family's setting.

Sorry guys for the epistle.

The beginning and end of this lengthy write up is that if I truly was hypocritical or broke as you guys keep alleging and I desired to make it big in your understanding, I have the connect/contacts, I know how to get whatever tools I would be needing. But it is a vow that I'd rather die poor than go stealing from people and I am keeping it until my maker calls me back to him to account for my time here on earth.

One more thing, as per the ex-convict tag, I am not vexed by it and so very sure deserve that tag if indeed the judgement said so. Why? you may ask because I deserved it.

But when the judge says that, due to the evidence before the judge that my culpability was limited and from a stand of a "victim" too and as such should be acquitted, what should I do?

To this end and for people like you, I have decided that should a fire break out in my house today, the next thing I'd be saving after my family is that piece of paper acquiring me just in case the likes of you prop up on the future with this same narrative.

Happy Sunday, guys. Make una no vex.

Your story is quite believable because of how you told it. My grouse with you in this particular Mr Bah’s case was your condescending attitude towards those who tilted to neutrality because of the convicted fellow emotional appeal at the initial stages. And just because some fell for his emotional appeal doesn’t mean they’re gullible since most if not all has back-pedaled and see the convicted fellow for who he truly is.

Just so you understand, the same way some people would believe your story and find it believable is the same way some people also wouldn’t find it appealing and call you names.
This is what so many people who were against the convicted fellow did in proving he’s guilty. They were in rush (including you) to attack anyone with an opposing opinion and this is wrong.

The convicted fellow is in jail already. You got lucky to have a second chance to set things right for yourself and in turn become repentant (but that doesn’t change the fact that you’re once like the convicted fellow - bar the rape tendencies tho).

Remember, being repentant doesn’t change the fact that you did whatever it’s you’ve come out speak about.

I strongly appreciate your conviction and I sincerely hope you continue to get stronger in this journey towards mind cleansing you embark on.

The reason this thread got this long was because there was too much attack on personalities due to opposing opinions and this is low for some who claim to have critical reasoning.

shaybebaby:
I see where you are coming from. This is not just about this case but the justice system within which the case and other cases are tried.

About how the system isn't perfect and as such outcomes aren't perfect nor entirely fair when one brings in factors like race, class etc. And that should be under scrutiny as well.

Bill Cosby is an example, he walked free last month despite the fact that his case was "done and dusted" in 2018, and had been going on since 2005. His conviction was overturned despite the fact that he admitted to what he was charged with. Not only that, he cannot be prosecuted again.
It seems the perceived perfection isn't perfect after all.
Check this article out on the case

https://www.thequint.com/news/world/bill-cosbys-acquittal-sexual-assault-metoo

Like I have said here again and again, some peeps contributing to this particular case are doing so out of hatred for the crime and personality of the accused (which is quite justifiable tho) but that doesn’t mean they attack some opinions those of us that tilted to neutrality initially made.

The convicted fellow in this case is probably guilty of the crime based on the available evidence like I have said, but the way some peeps here keep talking about logical reasoning when what they’ve showed countless times on this thread is nothing but close mindedness is quite funny.

Imagine just because some of us said the American judicial system is not entirely infallible, they said we’re rape apologists? Why does those who display “wokeness” on social media space always eager to attack someone who disagrees with them Smh for some Nigerians.

Las las, the convicted fellow is in jail already and would serve his time until an incontrovertible proof of his innocence (I strongly doubt there’s any tho) is available to review his case, but that doesn’t change the fact that the American judicial system (although very strong) is fallible.

shaybebaby:
Those who assisted had enough SCEPTISM of the science to be broad minded enough to even consider the possibility that current techniques are not absolute sciences. That false positives can and do occur.

They did not think " he has already been convicted so no need to re-examine the evidence."

It is that mindset that leads to continuous improvement and refinement of all process.

And also it’s that same mindset that makes way for system such as the American judicial process be as strong as it is.

Tbh, the funniest reaction to this thread is actually of a past criminal throwing stone at someone fighting very hard to prove his innocence. It shows that humans are pretty hypocritical at times (especially when they want to show some correctness).

UnbiasedOne:
Bruh I can’t put this Bah guy in the same category as the ones you named especially since he has tried to scam Nairalander’s with a gold scheme and he lied up n down this thread. To me a man who is innocent and really wants help is going to tell the truth to people who want to help him but he just told lies after lies. My spirit tells me that the people trying to help him will find that he told even more lies than I’m talking about.
That FirstgenAmerican and George guy said that this story was heavy on the news in America and the George guy went back to his powerful activist friend on twitter and told him just what he told us, that the man is full of sh&t.
In the whole America nobody wan help this guy after all these time has passed he came to Nairaland becos he knows most don’t live in America and didn’t know the whole story.

Lol! You’re saying the convicted fellow thinks nairaland members are fools that cant make enquiries and get information themselves, I actually don’t think that’s the case, because if it’s so, he won’t be here expecting help from nairaland members.

I think the convicted fellow has a quite dubious character and might (20-50% for me) not be guilty of this particular crime, but circumstances and facts available has put him in this situation already and he’s hoping to get out of it by some kind of governmental/media influence through this medium.

Ordinarily, his type of case can’t be overturned except there’s an entirely new evidence and his antecedent on this forum cast a big aspersion on him and his true identity.

And just to be clear, I never compared those mentioned cases with the convicted fellow case, I only pointed to them to let the OP I quoted understand that the American system truly is not entirely infallible.

Thank you sir/ma!

MMotimo:
Yes, properly constituted but flawed nonetheless and that is apparent in the number of those that have been EXONERATED not CONVICTED (like your client here) by DNA evidence. All these people you mentioned, were they convicted by DNA evidence? What % of that 2400 figure were convicted (I didn’t say exonerated o!) by DNA evidence? You can’t just drop half truths, compare apples to apples. Be transparent, don’t continue to mislead people.

I would be the first to say that the US criminal justice system has not been fair to blacks and there are a lot of innocent people of all races serving prison sentences that don’t deserve to be there. The problem is - you supporters club refuse to accept that Bah is not one of those people. I will praise the system because even though it is not perfect, it’s success rate is still a lot higher than it’s failure rate. It ain’t perfect but it is not what you want it to be for Bah!

PLEASE, BIKO, EDAKUN, show us the full 1200+ page transcripts so that we can start the process to exonerate this innocent rapist. It’s been more than a week since this campaign started but still nothing. The burden is on your side to prove that the convict is innocent or do you think those that were exonerated walked on the strength of shouting mobs? 404dev has been asking for the transcripts for days now. He has volunteered to review it but mba, your side refuses to release it. Instead, you preach sanctimonious sermons about discernment. Even the Innocence Project would have to review the transcripts as a starting point.

One of several pieces ( go back and read if you want to know the others ) of evidence against him is DNA. It’s his but it was planted ba? The Japanese ninjas, Italian mafia, UFOs, the bogeyman, Asian triads, Mexican cartel, Malay Yahoo boys, Colombian gangs , or is it our own dear village people that framed him? What was their motivation for framing him for the rape of a 13 year old in a middle class neighborhood in Georgia? Was he framed because of his imaginary $150k or the 6 phantom SUVs that only exist in his head? Or his mythical gold business developed with Ghanaian miners in the villages of Ghana and sold in Japan or was it Hong Kong for USD37,000 per kg. Do you think criminal gangs have time to waste on Naija visitor-turned-migrants with a sketchy past? If they were after him, you think it would not have been easier to make him disappear permanently than go through an elaborate rape scheme?

Since we are on the subject of conspiracy, let’s add a critical thinking class to this:

1) Somehow, they obtained Bah’s DNA from I don’t know where (stole his toothbrush by jumping through his window?) and his fingerprint on the keypad and preserved them so that the true rapist could rape a child with no trace of his own DNA on her but be able to smear Bah’s DNA on certain spots on the child victim’s body? Then they also stole his cellphone so that 2 separate cellphone companies’ cell towers could pick up the pings. Abi, that’s what happened? They somehow manipulated the cell phone tower pings? Perhaps had an old witch fly from Naija for that task? Or the ghost rapist stole his cellphone thus the pings but Bah somehow forgot to report it stolen because he was on that fictitious phone call with a Dr? And that evil Dr woman did not testify to support his shaky alibi even though he was facing life in the slammer ? It’s his DNA but it was planted?

- OR -

2) It’s not his DNA at all. The whole of Georgia judiciary, the Douglas county sheriffs, the FBI, the GBI , the DNA specialists, ALL CONSPIRED to blame this man for a crime that he did not commit because he was the best candidate for fall guy to hide WHAT exactly? What would have been their motivation for this grand scheme? His association with the Taliban? His close relationship with Putin? His Arabian oil wells? Because the CIA was in on it? He was going to snitch on Jared Krushner? Or the MOSSAD wanted to implant a microchip in him and he refused? Or because he refused to bribe all of them ?

Comrade, we could do this all day, grasping at conspiracy theories and making movies in our imagination. I get it! The Naija government is not helping matters, what with one plague after the other or running concurrently sef, making us paranoid - banditry, unknown gunmen, cultists, run away inflation, Ponzi schemes, Boko haram, kidnapping, the exchange rate, fraudulent debit alerts , under-Otedola bridge, herdsmen, etc. All these are enough to make us paranoid, causing panicked peddling of conspiracy theories to explain each new reality. If you want to help an innocent man, go to your local police stations, hire lawyers to help those who can’t help themselves. Start online campaigns to get the innocent released, buy food for those behind the counter.

Abeg, call me when the transcripts are available. Until then, emi ko ni mo ko ba Bah. Jeje l’omo Eko mi nlo. I am the least of Bah’s problems. Let them lock the thread. These mentions are challenging my squeaky clean, unassuming, angelic, quiet image. Thank you!

The issue with peeps like you is quite obvious and I have mentioned it again and again; lack of discernment. There’s no way in my postulations did I mention conspiracy theory neither did I in anyway suggested the convicted fellow is innocent.

Remember chatinent mentioned that the DNA evidence came unsealed? I don’t know if it’s true or not but that’s not something to think off.

I see you as someone who’s contributing to this topic just to show correctness and also you’ve a close mind.

All the cases I mentioned were not conspiracies as some was even a black on black issue, and again I am not mentioning you because I want you to believe the convicted fellow, for heck sake, I don’t in anyway believe in him too. But issue of innocence or not in this type of case at times has to do with open mindedness if one truly claim to be logical.

Remember, there’s factual and actual innocence? A convicted person might be factually or actually innocent. Actual innocence is when someone else comes up to admit to the crime while factual innocence is when facts available proves the defendant innocent. In this case, the convicted fellow is factually guilty as charged and might probably (please note the word might - the American system has witnessed a lot of this in the recent past) be actually innocent of this particular crime he has been convicted of.

The antecedents of the convicted fellow is not convincing enough neither is his purported demeanour both at the hearing and here on nairaland but still that doesn’t mean he can’t be innocent. Please brother, learn to always be open minded, it would do you a lot of good. And also don’t always see opposing opinions as an “attack” especially on a public forum.

Most importantly, I am not and never will be a supporter to heinous crimes the convicted fellow has been factually convicted to have committed but as a human, I would always be open minded and give room for human errors in any judicial system or process in the face of earth.

Thank you once again

MMotimo:
Excuse me? Did you just say YOU give ME something to think about?
You, a person that has failed to grasp the basics of evidence? The basics of how this rapist has been convicted on the strength of multiple pieces of incontrovertible, scientific evidence?
You, the person who called for fingerprint evidence to be re-presented and examined on national TV 4.5 years after the commission of the crime?
A person without the intellectual capacity to understand basic scientific evidence and think critically?
A person who lifted a food pic off the internet and lied that he cooked the food on a thread in the food section?
A hustler self proclaimed jack of all trades but unemployed master of none?
You, the professional Nland poster who also owns a wholesale and retail okrika shoe business, is a tracker, runs a writing service and sundry other fictitious businesses and has the time to post on Nland all day, everyday?
A person who is a demonstrated illiterate because only an illiterate uses dictionary words that have no bearing on the message when you are unsuccessfully trying to impress. Free tip - nothing screams illiteracy than improper use of “big” words
A person who heard about a fictitious $150k and promptly cast his lots with a convicted, unrepentant child rapist?
Same you who came on here to state that the trial transcripts are “confidential?”
Same you who disgraced yourself with that ultra-cringeworthy response to George Chidi which only served to highlight your embarrassing lack of social awareness and inability to understand basic sarcasm. Same you who has internet access but has no idea of the stature of that man in Georgia’s journalism?
You, a person that does not understand the implications of the FBI and GBI being part of this investigation? You think these are Ariara police and lawyers?
You, the person who would take on the mantle of online advocate for a person whose lack of good judgment and poor choices led him to life imprisonment after just 2/3 months in the US?
You, the person who does not have enough intelligence to know that collaborating, assisting a felon to break incarceration rules by posting stuff online could come back to haunt you?
Listening to you on this thread, is it any wonder US and Asian jails are filling up with your type? You think your village tortoise sense is superior to properly constituted justice systems?

Ogbeni, YOU are not in a position to give ME anything. There is nothing I can take from criminals and their associates. I simply have nothing in common with such people. God bless you.

Just remember, it’s the same “properly constituted justice system” that jailed the likes of Brian banks, Timothy Atkins, Henry and John McCollum, Central Park five case etc, albeit wrongfully.

In as much as the crime committed was heinous and distasteful, throwing all sense of discernment away just to praise a system that has turned up more than 2400 wrongful convictions since 1989 isn’t quite a “logical” thing to do in a public forum as this.

It’s okay if you decide to judge the convicted fellow by available facts and evidences but that doesn’t mean you throw your face away from the possibility of him being innocent.

May those who deserve peace get it!

tellwisdom:
See how everyone is going gaga over trivial issue/accusation/misunderstanding.

1stGenAmerican was called all sort of names, yet she maintained her cool.. She still went ahead to drive her point home, devoid of hate.

Just little misunderstanding between few people here- Una don hijack the thread with fight. Shey Na the same people wey wan Bail Bah be this??

Why don’t you use this same voice to fight your erring government and bring visible changes if you are that powerful? My greetings goes to y’all ONLINE HULK HOGANS of our time

I read through everything, 1stGenAmerican didn’t keep any cool, she actually gave it back to all that came for her hot hot! Lol!

All those that called her names were wrong tho, I feel strongly that it’s irresponsible for one to insult or resort to name calling on a public forum especially when discussing one’s opinion or POV.

This case at hand is quite complicated and I want to believe those in the legal system that has reviewed the case and believe the convicted fellow is guilty as charge (cc 1stGenAmerican) strongly have a reason to do so. But tbh, some words used in passing their verdict on the case and subtle attacks on those who were tilting towards neutrality with the hope that the fellow is innocent left a lot to be desired.

I am just an ordinary Nigerian typing from a corner of my room without any tangible solution or help to render and like I said earlier, Brian banks story made me felt somehow about this case.

May those who deserve peace find it!

Hammer2021:
This chatinent of a guy is a wolf in sheep's clothing

Lol! Nigerians sha!

Bro, even if you have some kind of doubt about someone who has continuously maintained the fact that he’s trying to help the convicted fellow out of sheer compassion and belief that he might be innocent, why can’t you just leave him and stop casting aspersions on his intentions?

Of what essence does you insulting his effort brings you??

You believe that the convicted fellow his guilty as charged, someone else is trying to be neutral and possibly help out in anyway he can, you and your ilks keeps throwing insults at him. This shows lack of discernment to me.

I have been on the sideline, and even though I don’t think I believe the convicted fellow is totally innocent, I still think it’s wrong to continue to disparage people like chantinent who are just trying to make sense of the whole stuff and try to help as much as possible.

In all we do, we should always accept the fact that we would always meet diversity in people’s opinions and beliefs and no matter how logically sound one is, emotions have a lot to do with people’s reasoning all over the world.

Seeing Brian Banks (a recent film representation of a true life story) made understand that truly the American system is not entirely infallible ( although I still strongly appreciate the strong institutions they’ve).

I can only wish the convicted fellow peace if he truly deserves it. If not, I rest my case!

If it’s anything I have come to agree that some Nigerians are highly sentimental and volatile in reasoning especially when it comes to drawing line between morality and law.

Now ask the policewoman to quote without ambiguity the exact law or code of conduct this citizen violated or abused then you would understand how bleeped up the interpretation of laws are usually confused with morality.

Morality can’t be quantified nor properly qualified as our cultural and religious beliefs and backgrounds are different and so we all can’t be assessed or judged based on morality. As a Yoruba man I am supposed to prostrate to greet an elderly person and would probably punished if I don’t do that (based on The unwritten but well accepted cultural code of the Yoruba people) this is a moral issue and it’s not applicable to other tribes and that’s why you can’t see such issue in the constitution.

Generally I think everyone needs to be happy. Any reasons of how or why others wanna live and enjoy their life shouldn't be your problem. Respect people's choices, they know why they choose it and if they don't, it's not your fault neither does it concern you.

Don't judge, castigate or talk less of people just because of their religious or political inclinations, mere disagreeing with them doesn't mean they're wrong or you're right.

marsman:
Already told the guy all this self, it obvious the dude jimyjames is not being true to himself, about the igbo stand in the early 50s and 60s.

I actually thought the guy is rational and a bit objective that’s why I entered the discussion but it seems the guy’s as dogmatic as some of his fellow travelers. Even the book he quoted his opening lines for, gave much credits to some Yorubas like Wole Soyinka that did supported and was even imprison for his support of Biafra. Saying a whole tribe hates you because of the perceived role of a Yoruba man in the starvation that came with war isn’t rational nor commonsensical.

Ojukwu executed Victor Banjo, should we then agree that igbos hate Yoruba because of that?

There are so many cases of igbos being unjust to Yoruba and vice versa, at the end it’s just a case of man’s wickedness to another, it shouldn’t be amplified on a whole racial/national level.

marsman:
Enahoro that later camped with AG after seeing how deceitful and selfish zik was.
I Understand you

There’s even a report of how he organised a conference for independence talks and invited Zik to come and speak but Zik refuse to show up for fear of been arrested by the colonial masters. That was one of the reasons he had to join Awo.

marsman:
Actually Enahoro was the first to move the motion, but he was not the only one then.

That was what I said sir. Enahoro was a close ally of Zik and that’s why sometimes the igbos would want to take credit of that.

jimyjames:
my friend Lagos was never part of the South West regional government it was a colonial city then become Nigerias capital watch old videos of the 50s and 60s and see how developed Lagos was then

What’s the main language of south west? What’s the main language of the original inhabitants of Lagos? When you answer this, and decide to be objective, you will cleanse your heart thoroughly.

jimyjames:
the bini empire was the most powerful empire bigger than the oyo empire of the Yorubas and Lagos was part of the bini empire

How was the Bini empire bigger than the Oyo empire? Like do you even know what you’re saying? The only reason Bini was even closed to Oyo was because of their early contact/trade with the Europeans who sold them guns in exchange for their sculptures, this in turn gave them an edge militarily.

Please be objective, that’s only the way you can enjoy this discussion.

jimyjames:
if you claim every region had it's own constitution then why didn't those region that wanted secession included secession in their own regional Constitution?
we the igbos were not even there during the amalgamation of northern and southern protectorate

and if ironsi who was just brief in office easily promulgated a degree for unitary government which the West and north never wanted, what stopped them north and west from removing it after they killed ironsi in a counter coup, it was something easy to do

They didn’t remove it because they decided to pay the igbos back in their own coins. Since the reason for promulgating that decree was domination, the Hausa/Fulani decided to leave it that way so they can also dominate. The Igbo taught them.

jimyjames:
my friend do your research well the igbos were never the favorites of the colonial masters amongst these 3 biggest ethnic groups because of how stubborn and arrogant we were naturally their Favorites were the northerners followed by the Yoruba because of how easy it was to colonials them , the wanted the northerners to be the ruler and it was for this very reason they merged the North and South as one country we the igbos were not even invited when the sighed to merge north and South together

Stop spreading lies bro. The colonial masters didn’t invite any tribe before amalgamation. Pa Anthony Enahoro, once Secretary to Zik newspaper was the one that moved the motion for independence, he was a close ally of Zik and Zik fought for independence as much as every other actors. All the post colonial Nigerian leaders initially wanted and coveted an independent Nigeria with the wishful hope and thought that they would be able to manage the new country.

Their failure that has resorted to the rot in our system today is a collective failure that doesn’t leave anyone of them faultless.

The reason you see that Yoruba would always continue to sing awolowo praise is because of his free education policy, and this is something that gave Yorubas an early edge. There were so many Yoruba elites as of then that didn’t even support awolowo enthnoreligious stance, people like Obasanjo and Abiola but still they respected and adored him. I just wish you can be objective and you will se that Yorubas don’t hate, they only love and protect their own interests first!

jimyjames:
my friend do your research well Lagos was part of the bini empire

and if you really want to point out to me the pre colonial achievement of the Yorubas then it should be in oyo Ibadan and not Lagos cause even during the regional government Era Lagos was on its own as the capital of Nigeria under colonial rule they built it, Ibadan was the capital of the Yoruba, South West had nothing to do with Lagos.

Was Ibadan not the capital of pre colonial Yoruba? And was Lagos not existing pre colonial? It’s a fact that the Yoruba nation was more developed and structured pre colonial than any other nation, the only nation thy came close was the binis

It has often been said that my generation was a very lucky one. And I agree. My luck was actually quite extraordinary. And it began quite early. The pace of change in Nigeria from 1940s was incredible. I am not just talking about the rate of development, with villages transforming to towns, or the coming of modern comforts, such as electricity or running water or modes of transportation, but more of the sense that we were standing figuratively and literally at the dawn of a new era - Chinua Achebe, There was a country.

Just imagine it, free education, free or close to free transportation, readily available scholarship for students. Everything was on a platter of Gold for that generation, yet they couldn’t even maintain an independence that they didn’t fought a war to get.

Incase you meet someone that fits in to that generation and the person tries to say anything about this current generation youths, just show the person that extract from Chinua Achebe and ask what’s the outcome of that generation.

Corruption unfortunately started from the very generation that asked for independence in Nigeria.

There was truly a country.

gwafaeziokwu:
At least we are getting somewhere. Awolowo asked Gowon to put a blockade on the east in order to starve them to death. That is a fact!

Ojukwu cannot reject 600,000 euros of aids and yet took the risk of landing Caritas Catholic foundation and Red Cross Aeroplanes, with zero visibility at Uli airport. It was one the the ingenuity of the Biafrans to land the plane, get relief materials and leave all the same without the notice of the Nigeria army who are dunces by the way.

Many Aeroplane carrying food and relief for dying Biafran children were shot down by the Nigerian side. So much for wanting to save the Biafrans. Oga shove your mischief back up the side where the sun do not shine. Abeg. You aren't talking to a kid.

But it was the same book you so revered that made mention the fact that Ojukwu rejected aid but instead asked for ammunitions. And moreover you don’t need to throw insults around, check my messages, I am not here to tribal bash. Thank you

jimyjames:
which internal? that city Lagos is a Yoruba name I guess?

Lol! So because Lagos was from the Portuguese, what does it change? Wasn’t Bini the first to have contact with the Portuguese, were they has developed as the Yorubas pre colonial ?

There’s difference between national civilisation and western exposure/education. Binis were civilised as much as the Yoruba pre colonial, the Bini and Oyo empires were the two most powerful, formidable and well organised structured group in the southern Nigeria pre colonial and this wasn’t achieved by any colonial help.

It was their well structured government and military base/leadership that made it imperative for the colonial masters to conquer them first before any other group in the south, and this is why the experienced western exposure and education first.

I am not here to do tribal bashing with you. I just want to disabuse your mind. Yorubas don’t and has never felt jealous nor hate igbos. You guys need to be objective to see things clearer. Thank you.

gwafaeziokwu:
I have never seen a book that has dealt with the Yorubas emotions than "There was a Country".

Shady tribe that want to take the glory of winning the war though Awolowo blockade policy, but profusely denied being responsible for the death of 2 million Biafran children. They want the glory, but not the dirtiness associated with the uncivil war.

Chinua Achebe the master, gave future generations of Igbos a book that explained in details whom the people they called country men were. He has no time to give you history of the Nigeria civil war, many authors had done justice to the subject albeit with lots of lies and falsehood.

His book was the human angle of the tragedy of Biafra. He brought a sore subject to the front burner and you guys reaction was highly anticipated. It was a shameful past. Therefore for generations to come, Awolowo shall perpetually be remembered as the one who fought a war of hunger with children for 3 years and got 2 million of them as war booty. Shame!

Can you also be kind enough to state the fact that Ojukwu rejected 600,000 euros worth of aid and instead asked for guns and ammunition ?

Aids that could have keep some of those children you mentioned alive? When you start telling yourself the truth, things would become clearer to you and your likes!

jimyjames:
and I still ask, if the Yorubas and northerners wanted something different how come they ended with what zik wanted how powerful was zik?

They didn’t end with what Zik wanted oga, I thought you’re learned. After independence, the form of government we operated was still regional, each region is self governed and has its own constitution but there was no clear cut clause or policy on possible secession by any group. The coup then happened and brought in ironsi an Igbo man who also believed in Zik ideas, and he promulgated a decree that formed a unitary central government system. Ironsi also failed to sumarily execute those that planned and executed the coup (majorly officers of Igbo extraction).

If he had not form a unitary government and has dealt with the coup plotters, there won’t have been a need for northern retaliation

jimyjames:
my friend do your research further I'm talking about igboland not binis civilization came to Yorubas and northerners before the igbos

The Yoruba civilisation was internal bro, even before any external contact. Go and read, be objective and knowledge would come naturally.

jimyjames:
very good question, but not long ago you blamed the forest man zik for blocking awolowo from including secession in the Nigerian Constitution, you blame igbo for unitary government etc, how powerful were this forest people?

Lol! You don’t even know much about this stuff. Zik didn’t literally stopped Awo because o any power, it was just a discussion that was propagated by the three pre colonial leaders at that time. Zik wants a Nigeria for all without any recourse to ethnoreligious identity, Awo wanted an ethnorelgious identifier that would ensure proper development for each groups before merging at the central, Ahmadu Bello wanted a primarily traditional state that would ensure the development of all north irrespective of languages first before uniting at the central.

Who dash Zik that was just a ceremonial head power?