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Scholar8200:
The law was made by the Government of which the Judiciary is an arm!

Justice is Revenge on behalf of the aggrieved!

Interesting!

The soldiers that execute the criminal in line with the instruction of the Judge are not murderers! On whose behalf do they kill? The judge or the plaintiff (Mr A)

Which is right?
You take laws in to your hands and commit murder or
You have the murderer arrested and the Government enforces the penalty of the law of capital punishment?
And when the Govt. makes and enforces that law, are they murderers? If you never went to the police or the court would anything be done? Then on whose behalf have they acted?

I really wanna give up on you...... The fact that you think revenge and justice are the same.....sigh*

Justice as logically, legally, and ethically defined—isn’t
really about “getting even” or experiencing a spiteful joy in
retaliation. Instead, it’s about righting a wrong that most
members of society (as opposed to simply the alleged
victim) would agree is morally culpable. And the presumably unbiased moral rightness of such justice is based on cultural or community standards of fairness and equity. Whereas revenge has a certain selfish quality to it
.


The driving impetus behind revenge is to get even, to carry out a private vendetta, If successful, the party perceiving itself as gravely injured (though others might not
necessarily agree) experiences considerable gratification:
their retaliatory goal has been achieved—the other side
vanquished, or brought to its knees. Just or not, the avenger
feels justified. Their quest for revenge has re-empowered them and, from their biased viewpoint, it’s something
they’re fully entitled to.

On the other hand, social justice is impersonal. It revolves
around moral correction in situations where certain ethical
and culturally vital principles have been violated.

Revenge is an act of vindictiveness...justice is an act of vindication.

Like I said earlier.... The people who made these laws could also face the law
......you say its not right to take law into one's hand but you worship a vengeful and vindictive imaginary humanoid who doesn't live by his own laws


How do you rationalize these things.....Its crazy tho'....... You“Christian ethics demand that humans should not take revenge.

Yet you worship a God who is the greatest avenger of them all. Defy him and you burn in eternal hell, an act of revenge which is completely out of proportion to the crime.

Scholar8200:
So would you adjudge a Chief Justice to be guilty of murder for sentencing a serial killer to death by firing squad?
ANswer!



Afterall the judge is taking vengeance on the serial killer on behalf of the community who would not take laws into their hands!

Wow....

-The judge didn't make the law...... He's just an enforcer*


-The law was made by the (society)......that's not revenge

It's really sad........ A scholar like you should know there's a difference between revenge and justice.

Unlike revenge....Justice is about closure


The judge aint taking vengeance on anyone's behalf

The judge is not an imaginary entity..... If he kills someone in the name of revenge.... He will definitely face the law


According to you...... Vegeance is not good,vengeance is(yahweh) the opposite of good.....

analice107:
You are not making sense. Read what you post.

I know.......you need the holyspirit to comprehend these things

your god takes vegeance on people's behalf....you think its right....
I do the same.....you and your god think its wrong

The reason for my for question

Scholar8200:
Now even the laws of the land will tag you a murderer for taking laws in your hand!
Vengeance belongs to God!

Really.... Dude doesn't even practice what he preaches.



Who makes laws and does not live by them......bad example!!!

Scholar8200:
I did not say you said it! That is why I said , BY YOUR LOGIC, meaning if you call God that took vengeance on behalf of Mr A a murderer, then the judge and soldiers that carries out judgement on a serial killer (on behalf of society), are also murderers!Is that correct?

If you murdered my father..... And i avenged his death by killing you....



Will your god be ok with that

Is this news........ Every sane human knows it's a fable

No......what do they do in heaven

He's Cum1ng......

The only reason I'm angry is because leicester. Will loose momentum.....

It's not like the useless a55anal team will win the league.....

Life is cruel....

Looks like hell will be fun




OP....you should stop threatning people....it's not nice!

daveyjay:
Strong-willed rather

Thanks...... That's the exact word I was lookin for.....

.......perhaps,he meant to say perseverance.

Jesus is the true son of his father......



Another case of spiritual rape!!!

johnydon22:
People worry about dying and their fantasy of what will happen afterwards that they end up having not lived at all.

You have a life now that is all that matters, you either choose to live in the fantasy of getting another life or diminishing yourself by fearing the inevitable end (death) or you forget about that and live your life for the moment and savor every bit of it..

Preach it bro!


These people don't know there are worse things in life than death......

Most of these religions aren't even helping matters...... They make it scarier!





OP......... Life has been given to you to be lived, don't die while you're still living. You'll cross that bridge when you get there.

Muafrika2:
keep telling yourself that. It may come true.




At least we have the definition of conviction settled.



I have answered. Other gods are in rebellion. They do convict their own people too as you have said, and it's upto the person to judge because as I have said (seriously, I have ) the God of gods is not hidden. So if they chose a foul mouthed, lascivious being for a God, it's rebellion. It's also their problem.



The word "insecurity" is out of place here. I really don't have a problem with your god. It only becomes a problem when you attack believers who are trying to share the gospel. So why do you have a problem with Christian beliefs? I've seen a lot of funny cultists threads here that your likes do not touch.

I believe this is answered above. Am starting to wonder if there is something specific you expect me to say. I bet you'll ask me this question again in another form.

Won't help what? Your understanding?





That's because instead of reading through my answers you are busy cooking up a response. Answering the same questions Six times and counting is boring.

Okay bye......have fun!!


When ever yahweh comes around..... Tell him we need to chat....

malvisguy212:
where in my post I say Christianity is a religion ? How do you come to the conclusion, God does not exist ? Atheism required evidence, and when the evidence were presented to you, you belief in it. How can you accept evidence without believing in it ? Keep on deceiving yourself.

Ok....... I didn't come to a conclusion....you did


Stop talking already.......wow!.......you seem to value evidence....

For someone who believes(requires faith) there's an invisible sky fairy incharge of the universe...I'm quite surprised

mayorall:
I serve a living God. Not god. I'm gods. Sorry you won't understand the mystery friend.

Isn't that why we are here...... To understand the mystery;-\

malvisguy212:
you are an atheist, maby you claim to be a freethinker, but that implies that have
choice. In a universe where every
succeeding action comes from a preceding event .to be an atheist is more of a belief, just like 'A' religion.

Smh.........now you admit xtianity is a religion(way of life)


Lemme break this down..... Atheism is no belief system.......its lack of belief........ It requires evidence for belief.....


So brova......atheism is no belief system(or) just like a religion.

Muafrika2:




That is the God that revealed himself to my spirit. It is confirmed in my spirit. It's called a conviction, faith, etc. As a sorcerer, that should not be a hard concept for you to understand.



I know you can't see, but I just rolled my eyes and sighed.



So, this is why a hindu or muslim boy wasnt born to christian parents...... To Save him the stress of indoctrination and burning in a lake of fire.

God is universal. The world, in its entirety is part of him. In fact, there is not a place on this earth and in heaven where God is inexistent. Not even in hell. Now being the glory of God, all creation (including you) God's mouthpiece, declaring Him.
This is what I meant by saying that YHWH is present in many cultures. He's the supreme creator, and the God of all other God's. No preachers from Israel told them this. They just knew.


This is how the scriptures put it in Romans 1:20

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they (refering to those who haven't received the gospel through the efforts of men,) are without excuse:



I repeat, YHWH is the sole creator. Other gods can only pervert an already made being.

Preachers are therefore, due to the preceding answer, not mandatory in the spreading of belief in God. Because God is there already, wherever they are going. So it begs the question, what is the purpose of preaching? Answer, it's just another one of the many manifestations of God.

I told you to define good before and distinguish it from the bibles good. Good is God. God is good. And all men can distinguish between good and bad.

He'll only burn in Yahweh's hell if he rejects Him. He may decide to be a sorcerer like you, freedom of choice.



And this is why I know you are not paying attention. I answered this already!!! So. I said. God is love. Gracous;


Psalms 116:5 |
Gracious is the LORD, and righteous; yea, our God is merciful

God is also a consuming fire. He is terrible. You better have both revelations of God.

Psalms 47:2 |
For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.

So I guess he's two faced.

I like His terrible side.

Are there any other answers you'd like me to expound?

Sigh.....I'm not a socerer


You know while growing up, ..... I had a conviction too....Allah revealed himself to my spirit...... It was confirmed in my spirit....

There were billions of other people who got this same revelation

A friend of mine also had a conviction...... Ganesha reveled himself to his spirit.....

Millions of people could relate to this....


You still haven't answered my question..... why do you think your god is the right one........how about other's people convictionv.

If God is universal...... Why do have a problem with other people's belief...... What's with the insecurity


This is rili bad....quoting scriptures won't help


I know he's two faced just like the ones created by the arabs..... I have studied the scriptures already


Truth is you haven't answerd my question(s)........perhaps yahweh has the answers...... Why don't you get him for me..... We rili need to chat

malvisguy212:
if you disagree with the op, bring fort your argument, show me were I misinterpret the scripture in the op.

There nothing to interprete......


Stop spreading ignorance......christianity is a religion(dogmas,laws,divinity,sacradness,spirituality)......
Just like buddhishm,Islam and the others

Way of life-religion

malvisguy212:
why are you atheists like fooling around ? Do you think the bible is an English text book ? So you think if I want to look for word meaning, I will check the bible and not dictionary ? What a foolish atheist!!!

....... Okay,Fopdoddle.....


Anything else

openmine:
Bro to start with...i don't care about ur opinion of the bible...dats ur opinion and u r entitled to it...
If u weigh or believe ur so-called advanced dictionary is capable of lecturing u about the bible...dats fine with u...not me..
Its not by force to believe that Christianity is a way of life or living....whether u call it a book without proof or not...I never expected ur likes to comprehend such knowledge....

And dere is obviously no need to get into a sane and healthy discus with you since you have already made up ur mind about wat u believe in...

Christianity according to the scriptures is a way of life and a pattern for living in christ ...get it?

If u don't like it or believe in it,Thats ur problem and cup of tea NOT mine...and i think you are on the wrong thread..enough said!

Way of life=religion........


You don't like it.....that's not my problem



Adios

openmine:
sadly from ur writeup its obvious u simply dont understand wat it means 2 b a christian.... Christianity is not a title or an appendage but a believer's identity in christ...its wat a believer is in Christ Jesus....

but I guess such explanations will b like reggae 2 ur ears if u haven't studied d scriptures or if u don't believe in God...

and how do u expect me 2 make u understand wen u r stuck in Anoda man's dictionary meaning....obviously u hope d dictionary will give u more answers Dan d word of God...

Go search d scriptures cos Dats where d answers are not a dictionary dat is always altered just 2 remain updated and relevant in a fast paced world....

U can draw up ur opinions about wat u tink about Christianity...after all opinions are free....

Please define religion

Who wrote the bible anyways


You should know a dico is more relevant than the bible.......you mean I should dump an updated advanced dictionary for an ancient book written centuries ago

A book without proof

Btw....... When you read books and come across complex words........ Do you consult the dico or ur bible for clarification

Muafrika2:
You need to pay attention. I've already spoken about God in our cultures long before he revealed himself to jews. The same way you know Him.




RIIIIIGHT



You have spoken like a wise man here.



Of course you are. There are only two purposes for that matter; either glory or wrath.


Romans 9:22 |
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:


Romans 9:23 |
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,




Define good. And please, If you do npt mind, distinguish it from the bibles definition.

What children in Egypt,

Are you refering to the Hebrew chilfren ones Pharaoh ordered be killed at birth? Or the killing of the first borns of Egypt by an Angel of God ?

How else would they have gotten out of bondage but with bloodshed? If you are African then you need to know that someone died for you to have that piece of land you call your ancestral home. God is a consuming fire just as much as He is love. He's very patient. But when it's time to execute judgement, he is terrible.



Refer to my explanation on purpose above.

You stilll don't get it....


Why is the jewish theory the most acceptable to you


Dodging questions and rationalizing for your god.... That's not gonna work


Let's do it this way

Why wasn't the hindu or muslim boy born to christian parents...... Save him the stress of indoctrination and burning in a lake of fire.....


Was he created by some other god What the purpose of doing this........ If he never gets to meet someone who will coerce him into becoming a christian......

Why is he gonna burn in yahweh's hell......


Good sure has lots of definitions....... One of it being having a favourable character......... The bible god(in my opinion) doesent have a favourable character.......

Dude is two-faced

virginboy1:
If the law of having sex before marriage as yardstick to be in locked in hell is revamped. Broke bachelors or men that don't want marriage would be happy.

Bro...having sex before marriage used to be an abomination in most african societies long before the missionaries came with their 'hell' threat.

And who says marriage is compulsory....

Broke..... You don't want them going into marriages without being 'financially ok'

If the law is reversed..... It won't change anything

mayorall:
God is not a respecter of men. He releases anger on anyone against his own people. The Egyptian worship gods not God. He loves us more than our biological parents. How much more will a biological father care for his kids?.


Father can't convert anyone to his cos he can't break laws . He's a covenant keeping God. He already gave us a heart and one have to decide in his heart first to receive him.

You and your god don't know what love is

Muafrika2:
What would God's purpose be if he is powerless over those who rise in rebellion against Him? What King in his right mind would allow rebels to flourish in their Kingdom? Not the King of Kings. Even the West (the homeland of personal "liberty" that is influencing your arguments) assassinates perceived "threats." Its what they are doing now with Muslims. He is TOO good in my opinion. And you know it, that is why you can Insult Him.

Only sorcerers have the guts to insult God. You have some kind of a corrupt godliness and hide/deny it's powers. You are one of those gods above. An abomination (that means iniquity) that has no interest in anything good. And yet for some reason, the same God gives you breath and life which you use to insult Him. Your breathing is the first proof of His love. I know I would not stand such insolence.

Of course, and I expect many billions to reject Him, and a few thousands to disagree. I have proof. The same way he created you(and everything else) is the same way he will uncreate you.

I don't know where you get the idea of a Jewish God. And I know you don't even believe the assertion. But for the sake of answering, He existed before the jews/ fathered by Jacob. People believed in that God even before white people existed. Unless you prefer to believe that white people or jews existed before the black race.

You said 'he' was yahweh....... Who gave him that name

He even has a purpose....wow!

This god allegedly created the universe.....started everything and knew how it was gonna end...whatever is happening now... I guess he had it all planned out

Perhaps...I'm fulfiling his purpose

If the bible god is your definition of good....I give up!!!

The one who killed innocent little children in egypt...commited so many attrocities.....

This god is always trying to prove a point to his own creations.


You are a christian...let's assume your god is the true creator .... your god should be powerful enough to convert those billions to xtians.....

He is not that powerful huh!


What does he hope to achieve by throwing his own creations into a lake of fire....


Btw........what if you were born to hinduist,muslims or buddhusts

Muafrika2:
YAHWEH.

He may be called by different names in different cultures, but you can know Him by His description/attributes.

He is the God who is the supreme creator of all things, including all spirits. Most African traditions know about him, and feared him, despite worshipping idols. He is the God that they were so afraid of, they wrongly sought for his favour through idols. It's the non Africans who know most little about Him. The Asians for example, their gods number in the hundreds of thousands. So your figure up there of 5,000 is underestimated.

The jewish god..... The socerer who spoke the universe into existence.... The one who gave laws and changed them..... Sent his son to come sacrifice himself.....claims he did out of love...... Threatening those who do not believe with enternal punishment...this one makes laws and don't live by them

The jews did a preety bad job....a perfect god who made mistakes and then blames his own creations


He shares some similarities with the one created by the arabs....

Do yo have proof he is the supreme creator........ Billions of people will not agree with you on that one

Muafrika2:
The God of those gods. The one that made them.

Which is..... Pls be more speficic

Thor,krishna,Allah,Yahweh,Odin....... Which one is it

openmine:
Dats d dictionary.... go search d scriptures...d bible... Dats Christian's dictionary....and find out its true meaning..Christianity is no religion but a way of life tru Christ!

Religion is a way of life...... A way of life you share with billions of people who believe that a dead jew sacrificed himself to himself on a cross.....they just gotta believe and they won't be punished


Religion is “human beings’ relation to that which they regard as holy, sacred, spiritual, or divine. Religion is
commonly regarded as consisting of a person’s
relation to God or to gods or spirits.

Worship is probably the most basic element of religion.......... moral conduct, right belief, and participation in religious institutions are generally also constituent
elements of the religious life as practiced by believers and worshipers and as commanded by religious sages and scriptures”


How exactly do you dissociate christianity(a way of life) from religion

Muafrika2:
4999 of those god concepts are sin in themselves. Anything that converts the glory of God to its own self is rebellion, sin.

Which one of them is no sin