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Joagbaje:
Hell was not part of the six days creation. Hell was created many many years before the creation of Adam.

So God had already planned to send humans to hell many many years before he created Adam, correct? So God knew that humans would sin and eventually have to end up in hell, so he created hell many many years in advance of creating man. So why was God surprise when Adam & Eve sinned. God already knew they were going to sin, correct?

e36991:
@Huxley

There'll be no $ex in hell;

there will be no sensual pleasures of that kind or nature and it would be impossible to have $ex in hell

because after death the reproductive organs rots away along with the decomposed /or decayed body

Importantly reproduction would have gone past its sell by date

and no need in heaven or hell to reproduce

(i.e. the mandate "Be fertile and multiply and fill the earth" would have ran its course and expired)

If all the organs rot away and there will be no sensual reactivity, then there will be no way anyone could feel or sense pain. So being in hell is going to be painless, isn't it?

On each of the days of creation, did God create what he created in an instant, or did it actually spend prolonged periods of time painstaking, slowly and methodically creating his creations?

What might have happened had he not rested on the 7th day? Could he have died of exhaustion?

In which of the seven days of creation did God create hell? Did God design and create the world with HELL in mind or did he create it as an after-thought?

How long did God exist before he decided to create the universe? Some notions of God hold that God does not change. If this is true, then deciding to create the universe constitutes a change, because God's state of mind prior to and after he created the universe must have undergone some change.

Can there be change without the notion of time?

tempest01:
Well a sure fire way 2 go to heaven is to repent and repenting is like going back to your childhood period. Well no 1 is righteous but you can try and flee away from sin as much as possible. As 4 d original sin well that was the reason christ died on the cross. His blood speaketh better things than the blood of Adam. Further you have to identify or let me say agree with something in order for the effects of that thing to be on you. Futhermore the children Jesus accepted would you say they had original sin and were they knowledgeable enough to identify with sins of their fathers??

So a foetus or stillborn with original sin who cannot repent and thus benefit from the blood of Jesus MUST have to go to hell, mustn't they? What stops from going to hell given that they have original sin?

Is everyone born with original sin? When does orginal sin get into the human entity? Do foetuses, fertelised eggs and stillborns have orginal sin?

tempest01:
What i'm trying to make u understand there is that those stillborns av not commited any sin or even know what is sin to earn them a place in Hell. If he could say what he said about children probably aged 3-6 then why would stillborns be condemned to hell??

So a surefire way of ensuring that someone goes to heaven is to make them die very young indeed. What is the point of growing up if by growing up you reduce your chances of finishing up in heaven?

Further, I thought everyone is born with original sin. Is that not the case?

tempest01:
@ Poster, What did Jesus say to the disciples when they were trying to hinder the little children from him??

How old were these children? Were they stillborns or foetuses?

joe4christ:
but he advices we choose lif so we can live, he never wish that any man should perish, but that all might live, as mata of fact hell was not created 4 mortals, it was originaly created 4 d devil and d fallen angels but humans due to their stuborn heart still choose 2 trade d path of hell, playing with god's emotion by acting like d devil and d fallen angels. god wil never cast a child 2 hell except that child has reach d age of accountability {7}

How is the age of accountability set? Is this an objective value?

Is there material growth in hell and in heaven? So if a foetus gets to go to heaven does it remain a foetus for eternity?

Many billions of foetuses and fertilised eggs are lost each year. Do all of these go to heaven and do they remain as foetuses/eggs for eternity?

joe4christ:
what do you guys take god for? a wicked man with a wipe in his hand always anxiously waiting for any slightest mistake that would be commited by mankind so he could punish and distroy and cast them into hell? hell no! god is love, perfect and unconditional lover he is, he is just and inpatial in nature. he is a god that believes in freedom of choice for his creatures, he has set before them life and death, it is their duty to choose life or death

OK, so what is this loving God doing to do about dead foetuses, stillborns and dead 2 year old kids? Is he gonna send them to the fires of hell or has he prepared a special small kiddies hell for them?

Do children, dead foetuses, stillborns and dead little children share the same HELL as Hitler, Sadam, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mother Teresa, Satan?

Or do these little ones have their own purposed-made punishment chamber with tiny little flames?

Is your Pastor closer to God than you? Does he/she know more about God than you? Does he/she know the mind of God better than you? Does God have a special ear for pastors?

So what is it about hell that you are afraid of? Or what is it about hell that one should be afraid of?

Will it be possible to have s-e-x in hell?

Yes - how about the elephant and the giraffe? Why are they still with us, but all dinosaurs have become extinct? What is it that killed out the dinosaurs but spared the elephants and giraffes?

Does God love everyone?  Does this love extend even to his enemies?

At what point does God stop loving someone?  For instance, while Hitler was in the midst of his muderous acts, was he still loved by God?

Does God stop loving humans when they have reached gates of hell and are roasting in its flames?

Have you ever received a direct call from God, intructing you to do something? Did you do it?

jumie:
In addition to the above, a christian also enjoys peace of mind, irregardless of what is happening around. Knowing that you have a God who cannot fail you gives peace in the midst of turmoil. Certainly, there is no other place where one can find such peace and rest except in Christ.

What do you mean by peace of mind? Christians worries about life and its travails in much the same way as everyone else. They worry about:

Money, health, career, exams, death, their children and parents and friends etc, etc. If they did not, why do they keep praying for all these things? And does God really provide it for them? Does God always provide: their food, money, exam results, healing from illness?

Have you ever visted a sick children's hospital and see all the distress in the parents faces about the health of their children. Are you saying that those of these parents who are Christians always have the peace of mind that their God will intervene and save the day? If that were so, no Christian children would be dying from illness.

InesQor:
Yes.

So what are they? CAn you list them?

Are there any earthly advantages or benefits of being a Christian? Do Christians benefit from advantages here on earth that are only reserved for Christians and no other groups?

What should pastors do if they no longer hold the defining beliefs of their denomination? Do clergy have a moral obligation not to challenge the sincere faith of their parishioners? If this requires them to dissemble from the pulpit, doesn't this create systematic hypocrisy at the center of religion? What would you want your pastor to do with his or her personal doubts or loss of faith?

Read "Preachers who are not Believers," a study by Daniel C. Dennett and Linda LaScola of the Center for Cognitive Studies at Tufts University.

Note the correction

Deep Sight:
WHICH EXISTS FIRST?

Of course, the mind BRAIN existed first. (I have corrected this)

Deep Sight:
Great: You have conceded that Brains are different from Minds then.

You thus accede that the mind is an element that exists and is expressed through and by the physicl brain.

This is an irreversible concession you have made.

Is a thought a "concept"?

This is not a concession in the way you mean. I don't think I have ever held or expressed the view that they were otherwise. Yes, the mind is an emergent "property" or phenomenon of the brain.

Deep Sight:
Huxley:

1. Is there a difference between the mind and the brain?

Yes, of course. If you find it hard to tell the difference, just ask yourself the following questions:

a) What is a mind?
b) Have you ever seen a mind existing outside of a brain/body?
c) IS it possible for a brain to exist without a mind? (Think of the millions of brains that exist in vats in research labs all over the world. Do they still have minds?)

Deep Sight:
2. Can you tell me if any of these are physical things -

a. Thoughts

b. Love

c. Patriotism

d. Happiness

These are non-physical concepts that can only exist in minds.

Have you heard of the expression "Caveat emptor" (which means "Buyer Beware"? If after having warned the buyer that he would be wasting his money, and he is still prepare to conclude the deal, I will have no option but to take his money. As far as I am concerned, I would consider that as a gift, as I have given him nothing in exchange. But he is within his right to consider it whichever way he please (gift or financial transaction). My family would certainly do with a few bobs after I am gone and being eaten by worms.

When one becomes a believer in god, it is god that has helped him/her to become a believer, or has this person chosen freely, under no interference from god, to become a believer in god?

toba:
I would not.

Like i told u Since the time of Jesus Christ to date, God has never commanded anyone to kill another,Simply becos we are in[b] Grace dispensation[/b] where the Grace of God is still abounding on all including sinners. Thats y u see atheists Blaspheme without being punished by anyone. If it were to be then, even pple on NL wouldn't hesitate to bring unbelievers down. But God doesn't allow killing any longer cos of the Grace dispensation we are in. Enjoy your unbelief while it lasts

Where are you getting this Grace Dispensation doctrine from? Are you making it up? Jesus himself said that he had not come to abolish the law, as in the following;

Matthew 5:

17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.


What commandments do you think Jesus was refering to about? Why is Jesus asking people to be more righteous than the Pharisees who were experts of the law and strict observers of the law? What law was Jesus talking about?

InesQor:
Huxley, your question fundamentally assumes that you understand how God interacts with us, the kind of information he passes across, how he passes it across, and the reasons why he does so.

So go ahead and answer my questions so I can get a better perspective of your question.

You could not be more wrong - I make no such assumption, because I do not claim to know how god communicates with humans.  I simply said if such a communication is possible (which from my understanding of the bible it should be given that he communicated with Moses on more than one occasion) and god asked you to kill someone, would you do it?

Now, are you in communication with your god?   if you are, could you tell us how you enter into communication him him/her?

InesQor:
@manmustwac: There are deluded and misguided people everywhere. Not everything can be hanged upon religion's neck. Even atheists can be so-deluded.

@Huxley: Please answer my questions in individual context and don't dribble.

Unless I am mistaken,  you main thrust of your questions are:

1)  Which god,
2)  How he spoke to humans
3)  How we are sure that it is god.

I have answered this by saying that we are talking about the god of the bible, and for 2 & 3, I refer you to the manner and means he used to communicate with Moses.

InesQor:
Huxley, there are many problems with your troublesome question. You need to sort them out first.

1. Which God? Who? I will assume in the following discussion that you refer to the same God that I and other Christians call God.

2. How does God ask you to do stuff? I know how God talks to me, but in this case, can you expatiate on this?

3. After answering #2 above, please explain what you understand about how God passes instructions to man. Does He explain the reason for His instructions, or he just asks you to carry out his orders the way a taskmaster whips a slave into action?

4. Tell us, Huxley, are you like the WOF people who believe that God's plans can be limited by the non-compliance of a puny human being? And also, from the answer to my 1st Question above, is it the nature of GOD to make this kind of request? What is the nature of God?

5. This borders on what I asked in #2 above. Is it what you believe unflinchingly (de facto information) that is the truth (de jure information) about what God said? How do you factor in possible cases of mental, psychological imbalances and the corruption of sin, limned as religion?

6. Once again, I ask you, how are you certain about whatever you think/believe (de facto) that God told you, that it is accurate (de jure)?

7. Please answer the six questions above, and therein you will find your answer to the seventh. If you don't, I will return to tell you what I believe.

Hello,

I meant whichever god(s) anyone believes in and worships. So in the case of a Christian, that would be the god of the bible. The same god that asked Moses to kill many thousands of people on his behalf.

If this god asked you, in the same manner that he asked Moses, to kill your brother or friend, would you do it?