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tbaba1234:
The wisdom in the Quran is immense, but that verse is pretty straightforward , 4 + 2= 6, the first 2 and 4 are not mutually exclusive, It talks about the earth and the next verse talk about the heavens


God knows best

uplawal:
@hymen,wallahi,its for your own good,i only wrote that upthere simply how i feel towards your writtings,and everyone reading can testify that some of your writtings are not only"not innocent" but they are baised and full of sarcasm,its how and what you've written and not your how you feel,if you feel not innocent towards the religion,its truly gonna show outwardly in your writtings no matter how you claimed you dnt mean any harm,am only telling you how dangerous it is to mock Allah and its religion,He warned severally about such actions and spoke about how he will deal with people like that,so dnt think i dnt know what am saying,just be careful thats all i can say.

uplawal:
@Am a muslim,and shia too are muslims,they are not sect,some may ignorantly or out of limited knowledge feel they are sect,but they are not,they too in their own represent true Islam.

yes you can refer Allah as OLODUMARE,ELEDA,ASHEDA

uplawal:
Islam is a culture on its own apart from worship of Allah(swt),arab culture is not to be mistaken for Islam,they are different,though they are similar cos majority of them are muslims,you you would think its their culture cos they are interwoven,thats why you would see a yoruba woman wearing a free loosed gown and her khimar prescribed by Allah(swt) and shes not copying arabs culture but obeying Allah(swt),and she does not feel arabian at all.

A muslim can call Allah any native name that denotes the Almighty Allah,so far it does not have iota of idolatory in it,Allah understand all languages,get a copy of yoruba Quran and see how yoruba language too magnify Allah in its rich native language,its simply beautiful.

LagosShia:
"hymen",

when you throw allegations like the one above,you should try and be very sure of what you are saying.

i tried to stay out of this off-topic issue and i think this issue should be discussed out of this thread.

just to quickly correct you,i want to say that it is true we were not there when the Quran or the bible was compiled.but you have no right to say that the Quran contains errors just as the bible.that is wrong.i can give you a long list of errors from the bible and i will confidently say that you cannot give a single error from the Quran.what matters is the evidence at hand.if we were not there,we know that.but what matters is the evidence at hand.what we have from the Quran and the Bible is crystal clear and sufficient for us to make our choices whether to be muslim or christian.

if you are sure the Quran is just like the bible with erros,then give us just one error from the Holy Quran if you are truthful and not being presumptious.

Lagosboy:
That was why the Prophet PBUH said in a hadith that he was like the last brick put in the last remaining spot to complete the building of a house. The last revealed verse of the quran according to most scholars was in Q5 v 3 "This day have i perfected your deen for you and chosen islam as your way of life . . . ."

Lagosboy:
Every prophet was different in character, mission, manner etc but they were all unified in the message. The message is simply calling people to the ONENESS of GOD and worship of the only True GOD. That is what we call Tawheed and that was the message of all the prophets and the reason why we make no distinction between them by saying this is better than the other.

By saying all prophets were muslim we simply mean that they all surrendered to the One True God without associating partners to him.

uplawal:
@hymen,be careful even as youre curious,because,to me personally,its not wise to lash the religion while you claim youre curious to know more of it,its like youre more of an enemy of Islam than rather wanting to know it,and you may be cursed/punished by Allah when you do that if you dnt know,Allah is no respecter of any person,,so mind the way you go about your curiousity as it looks like defaming rather than wanting to know it by love.forexaample,while i was studying basics of Islam i never for once defamed it,i was even happy i was threading towards salvation,rubbishing it does not show you love the religion,its more of like hypocricy.

muslims are those that follow Islam as thier religion and their lives are guided by the religion,i dnt know where you came about the nonesense you wrote,like hypocricy,politics,etc,anyone found doing all those you listed is not practicing Islam as all you listed is out of Islam and its very rare you see muslims being labelled as such evils,even though there might be some,that would be the very few ignorant ones unlike the christians that are known for all kinds of actrocities.Though you wanna brag to include christianity with Islam as a divine religion,i tell you it is not divine at all,only Islam is divine,and as a matter of fact Jesus son of mary and majority of the prophets in your bible practiced Islam and not your modern trinity christianity,so dnt come here and attach divinity to Christianity,Allah cannot ordain two religions,He is and will always be pleased with Islam.sorry i dnt mean any form of hate here.

uplawal:
@Hymen,the Quran is free from corruption o,maybe you can equalise some ahadiths with the bible but not the Quran,pls save yourself from haedache,billions of scientist done research already and found it undistort since it came down,eventhough,thier findings does not even move an inche,its just one of thier ways to look for errors while they were curious as well,its authencity does not is not even based on thier findings,and why would you wanna discuss Islam while you saying its main source of guidance is corrupt,why dnt you read your bible more and find more annoying,laughable,,disgraceful contradictions left right and center,,and they way they depicted God is so bad and never merciful,infact,that was the main reason i kept urging to study more about Islam,and here i am am so happy to be saved from damnation,Alhamdullilah.

ifyalways:
Agbaya.
Hymen,welcome back.

uplawal:
@Hymen,,this is not limiting Allah,Allah(swt)himself said it,that prophet Muhammad(pbuh) is the seal of all the prophet,so we muslims dnt argue further after the truth is manifest to us in the Quran,though reformers will always come not prophets.No muslim is a muslim that does not regard Jesus son of Mary,Mary the greatest of all women in history and in the hereafter,but when christians start to attach a kind of divinity to him and his mother,thats when we differ,as we will never agree to that,and we dnt say one prophet is better than the other, or say Prophet Muhammad is the greatest of all,all of them are just equally best,muslims dnt separate them,they all came down for the same purpose,since all the prophets are muslims and why should any muslim clm one to be better than others

LagosShia:
it is "all or nothing" if we can be sure and we are convinced that there is no error in either the collection of hadiths or the bible.but when there is error then it can never be "all or nothing".we must then examine each word to determine what we should accept and what we should reject.those that can neither be verified as acceptable nor rejected,we can be indifferent toward them.

for example,in the New Testament,we find where Jesus said "hear oh israel the lord our God is One".Jesus said that is the most important commandment,when asked of which is the greatest (mark 12:29).that is beautifully put and appealing to the heart of the most pious muslim.that is the basis of the message sent by God to all His messengers and prophets.that is tawhid (monotheism) and that is what makes us muslims and what we recite when we become muslim or to become muslim and we recite everyday.

but when you examine more, another verse tells you"in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was god".in the new world translation of jehovah's witnesses,John 1:1 reads:"in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word is A god"!!! now that is called polytheism.

ofcourse i can go on and cite more verses from the bible that we cannot accept because they contradict the basis of faith and the message of God.we cannot just let everything go or be thrown away.if that is done,then a muslim and a christian will have nothing in common to base their dialogue or debate.

there are also biblical verses on history and science that need to be verified from science and secular history.and i know not everything in the bible on those 2 categories are acceptable.

Lagosboy:
Good to know you are cool and welcome back. So, as we were discussing the vibes from the latest beat. The last Prophet of our Lord is Muhammad PBUH as recorded in the quran “you are the seal of prophethood” . The simple proof from the hadith to prove the point is when a man Musaylima kadhab rose and claimed to be a prophet after seeing how successful he was. This liar was called an impostor and his falsehood was established based on the verses of the quran. Ghulam Ahmad and others are just plain fraudsters and the entire muslim community shia and sunni have tagged them not to be muslims.

The jews rejected our beloved Jesus PBUH , The Christians rejected Muhammad PBUH and the muslims accept all the earlier Supermen sent by God, we do not make distinction between them and believe in their messages. This is the reason I humbly invited you to dance to the current vibes which thousands of people are starting to dance to every year in the UK and other western countries in general.

samcc30:
it will be in west or east because if they use north as their base that mean they r dead while they r alive

LagosShia:
well,there is really nothing to shock anyone.whether he is or he is not is not really important because he cannot gain any legitimacy through that when he does not follow the guidance of the Ahlul-Bayt (as).but as far as i know,he is not.infact islam does not support monarchy and that point is especially pronounced in shia islam.

i will look for materials to that effect.when i have them at hand,i will post them.

LagosShia:
as for the king of jordan,he is not even a descendant of Imam Hassan (as).he is a descendant of Abbass Ibn Abdul-Muttalib (as),the Prophet's paternal uncle.for that reason jordan is known as "the hashmite kingdom" a derivation from the "clan of hashem" aka banu hashem.the allegation that the jordanian royal family is a direct descendant of the Prophet through Imam Hassan (as),is only made falsely to claim more importance than they deserve.

by the way,we are commemorating in the shia muslim world the matyrdom of Imam Hassan(as) in the month of safar.

LagosShia:
how can you make me believe anything based on something in the bible that we cant find today?you said it has being distorted,and for that reason you want me to believe that umar's righteousness was foretold there because one hadith that could have being a fabrication says umar is mentioned there.if you want me to believe anything because the bible is in a corrupt form,then i can as well tell you that i was also prophesied in bible but you cant find it there because it has being changed.when we prove the prophethood of Muhammad (sa)  in the bible as the Quran says our Prophet was foretold there we give references of the verses and chapters in the bible where he can be found.if you cant back your hadith with biblical reference,then your hadith is just a claim.infact the hadith is not even narrating the words of the Prophet.the hadith is quoting the alleged claim of a christian bishop who said umar was foretold in the bible.yet we are not informed that the bishop embraced islam.i dont believe any christian bishop.i am a muslim.


on the other hand,i can give you a biblical reference that can support our belief in 12 Imams in the present-day bible afterall the talk  of bible corrpution.if you too cant do likewise,then you are free to convince yourself and not me.

Genesis 17:20 (New International Version, ©2010)
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.


"Muslims identify the "twelve rulers" mentioned in Genesis with the "Hadith of Twelve Successors" stated by the Prophet Muhammad (sa) as narrated in sunni sahih books (bukhari and muslim). For instance, the 14th century Sunni scholar Ibn Kathir stated [119]:

We see the following prophecy in the Taurat which is in the hands of the Jews and the Christians: "Indeed Allah, the Exalted, has given Ibrahim (a.s.) the glad tidings of Isma'il, and he has bestowed a favour and multiplied it and placed in his progeny twelve mighty (personalities)." ,
Ibn Taymiyya said: "And these are the same, regarding whom the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) has given the glad tidings in the tradition of Jabir ibn Samurah and stated their number; indeed this is with regard to the Imams and the Hour will not come till they last."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_the_Twelve_Successors#Links_to_the_Bible

uplawal:
On the same thread,a lady called thiefofheart insulted me,she actually was the first person to call my mum deranged(i reject it though in the name of Allah) and Ashewo all cos i was supporting Abuzola and she said i should learn from you cos someone insulted your mum you dnt retaliate,so i should learn from you not to deal with whoever insult my mum like you did,never will i keep quiet when my mum is insultedand to me its evil for anyone to insult anyones mum,not even my mum,i cant claim to be better muslim like you to have the insulter of my mum to go free,i would rather insult the persons mum back,and which i did,i cursed her mum back,cos am not omoode like some people,so anyone should come here now to tell me insulting her back is mannerless,i dnt care whatever anyone say really cos mio kin she omo lole lo gbesi wa,instantly i would give you your dose.dnt really care to reply you though,but just to clear myself from your evil plan.

@Muhsin,why would you say it makes no diffrence leaving some and deleting some,why dont they just leave all or delete all,very biased people

[center][size=14pt]Gay Group Backs Atiku[/size][/center]
Ahead of tomorrow's primary of the ruling Peoples Democratic Party (PDP), a group, National Gay Forum, yesterday canvassed support for one of the presidential aspirants of the party and former Vice-President, Alhaji Atiku Abubakar.

Speaking during a news conference at the Agura Hotel, Abuja, President of the group, Victor Labelle, said in view of what he called Atiku's meaningful contributions to national development, it had become imperative for PDP delegates to cast their votes for the former number two citizen in tomorrow's party primary election.

He urged Nigerians to provide support for the aspirant, whom he said, was committed to turning the fortunes of the country around for the better.

Labelle said the group was exercising its fundamental human right of freedom of association as is obtainable in the United States, France and other European nations where gays usually express their political affiliations.

uplawal:
@Hymen,hmmm,you just be a muslim,and you will see how sweet it is to obey God and serve him

@Lagosboy,how far?Asalamu Aleikum

Lagosboy:
We just want you to be a muslimm, we want you to proclaim the shahadah, we want you to embrace Islam and surrender yourself to the will of your Lord.

Lets carry on on the curious thread with the beats

uplawal:
Its you and the Alhe Sunnah group that says so,you all lied that the Quran Surah Ahzab is incomplete,we have provided you with proofs based on your taftseer,its in the thread,locate it,i cant be bothered about such again for now am busy, i need to cook supper

Lagosboy:
Dont worry you dont need to bet on it , it might happen in the near future insha Allah Wonderful to know she already dances to the beat of her lord , it would be wonderful if she steps up the dance as the beat vibration has increased frequency, in order to dance correctly to the beat she should accept His last prophet PBUH . What a wonderful dance that would be !

Lagosboy:
Salaams to all my folks and Jazakumullah khairan for the award.

I also use this opportunity to call Hymen (lets hope she reads this) to have a re think and dance to the beat of the call of her Lord. She has been active on this section and has been a good contributor IMO to this section, she was one of the active players this year on the section. I pray for guidance for her and her wish her the best of blessings.

jmoore:
Having sex before marriage makes you cheap!!

some folks will say " you have to test what you are buying"

let me answer a question when you go to buy an apple, does the apple seller allows you to taste the apple before you buy? No!

Okay, you will probably come up with a defensive statement that "I have to test drive the car that I am buying before I buy it" and I will say second hand cars are the one that are up for testdrives and not New cars.
Allowing yourseif to be tested shows how cheap you are


Sexually compatiblity does not secure a marriage, look at those hollywood stars and other celebrities

The truth  is SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE IS WRONG!!