₦airaland Forum

MightySparrow:
This man is not making sense his generation failed.
We Biafra youths are not cowardly like Yoruba people. We will always fight for our independence from the zoo call Nigeria. We will take arms against Nigerian Army!






Awon omo ale

Hey akpu-eating flatthead you have mouth to call amala eaters cowards. Was it not one amala eater, Adekule or what was he called, the black scorpion that single handedly silenced your Ojukwu. I think the amala-eaters are far more courageous than the akpu-eaters - history no dey lie.

Bollinger:
The sooner Nigeria moves away from traditionalism the sooner nigeria moves toward the modern era.

HEEDIOT HE-GOAT

as amala people will say 'abasha' gerrout of here.

chai amala girls go kill pesin for dis kwantree - see fine face, nice waist and great yansh.

October 1 is probably the BEST movie EVER made by a Nigerian.

Yeeboos and lies and chest beating and akpu-eating.

Easy stuff:

64 squares in a chessboard
26 letters of the alphabet.
7 wonders of the world,
7 days in a week
206 bones in the body
5 fingers of the hand
12 signs of the zodiac
52 cards in a pack.
18 Holes on a Golf Course
6 Bowls in an Over.

What else does the shoe do? Does it babysit or clean the house or do her taxes or make dinner or fix her hair? Please give us more detail. I am waiting...

DEATH PENALTY STRAIGHT

NOT FUNNY

Nigerians supporting corruption since 10AD

Why do amala-eaters allow these Boko haram Northerners in their region? They already have the akpu-eating chest beaters. Why are they compounding their problems by accommodating Northern criminals?

If you cannot afford Asaba prostitutes (I think you can get most of them for about 5k - where is that male ashewo of NL to come and confirm it) then you must be real broke. But again maybe he didn't 'come' so why should he pay if he was not satisfied with the service.

bigfrancis21:
Yes, if justifiable by concrete evidence. I think supporters of that theory use the bible to justify a much younger earth than science espouses. Afterall, the Egyptian pyramids is recorded to have risen to fore at around 3000BC and we are currently in 2015AD, summing both years up of which gives nearly 5000 years +.

Yes except they are flat out wrong. And the age of the earliest Egyptian civilization has NOTHING to do with the age of the PHYSICAL earth. Common are you smoking expired weed?

bigfrancis21:
Some people would want to think of Igbo as one of the oldest surviving languages of the world, or better still a surviving proto-language of our world till today.

Some people also would want to think the earth is just 6000 years old - you see how that works?

spanishkid:
same to your useless father.

You see - I just knew you are a big fool. See how you expose your entire mumuness on a single topic. Mtchew.

absoluteSuccess:
I dont mean it that way, bigfrancis has proves to his claims, only that he uses proves that favor his side of an argument often that all his claims become just too perfect. Problems with perfect claim is, fringe ideas are suppressed. But such fringe ideas can be potent.

He seems to be more of a copy and paste merchant. Not particularly capable of much critical analysis. He engages in one sided arguments - he is more of a lawyer than a scientific intellect. Too biased to engage in serious analytical thought. Nevertheless, its interesting to see you (an amala-eater) getting along with an akpu-eater.

bigfrancis21:
My views may not be so Igbo-centric after all. Please read below:



http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/igbo/westafricanorigin.htm

By the way the first part of your word vomit suggests a propaganda to save Igbo language from extinction. Any suggestion that Igbo is the oldest African language is ABSOLUTELY laughable. Lets be serious here and stop posting garbage just for the sake of posting.

bigfrancis21:
You need to take a break and relax. You are getting worked up over the issue. You are free to publish your theories so far as you come up with tangible evidence.

Did you know that the ancient Egyptian language and Igbo could be related or ancient Egyptian derived from Igbo language? Aha! I know you think I just made this up! Anyway, this was proposed by late Catherine Acholonu, a PhD holder by the way, who conducted her research to find similarities between both languages.

Now tell me you are not going to try to dismiss her work below because you are just hearing it for the first time or it sounds 'wack' to you?

Worked up? Not likely. I am here sipping my morning tea - I couldn't be more relaxed. This is 'light' weight stuff to me. Stop deflecting - the subject is YOUR theories which I have debunked severely. In my opinion, the closest West African languages to ancient Egyptian are the Ghanaian Ewe language and the amala eaters language. Yet it would be intellectually lazy to link them directly to Egypt. My cursory look of your akpu-eating chest beating PhD holder's Igbo-Egypt link suggests another one of those Igbo-Israel origin like stories that defy logic and common sense. I will try to look a little bit more into her work just to keep an open mind. However, I am ready to wager that Ewe and Yoruba are far more similar to ancient Egyptian than Igbo. YET it would be premature to draw a link based on this alone as your 'esteemed' akpu-eating PostDoc appears to be doing.

absoluteSuccess:
Ah Radoillo, bigfrancis is igbo supremacist since creation, give him a cross and ask for it the next moment, he gives you a swastica. I love him though, if you read his post you can always deduce intellect, although to the glory of igbo.

so he is an akpu-eater - I didn't realize that. That explains his inability to see the flaws in his now apparent Igbo-centric views of the origin of Nigerian languages. Mtcheeeeeeeeeew.

bigfrancis21:
@bold...it is possible. Never say never.

The reverse may likely not be possible because children languages are often not 'heavier' in vocabulary or complex in word formation than their parent language or if there were to exist such proto-language, Igbo language would be much closer to this language than Yoruba or Idoma. This is something I didn't just wake up yesterday to write but a trend I have noticed in Igbo, Igala and Yoruba for a while now that I have researched deeper into and came across the Latin vs children languages, which happens to be a good example, and studied the word roots and formations in these language.

These are findings from some research made so far, not just hearsay.


If you think the reverse is possible, you would need to back it up with evidence explaining why you think it is so. So far, you haven't provided any factual objections to my theory though, only seeming to concentrate around the pyramid issue so far, but yet referring to my theory as 'lacking in logic and basic ethnography' without explaining why you think it is so.

'never say never' (It sounds like someone who wants something so bad and have thrown away every sense of objectivity). I suggest you go back to the books and re-learn basic ethnography/linguistics. My point is your ideas are wack since the reverse (Yoruba 'birth' Igbo) is as 'legitimate' as your baseless musings. Neither is based on linguistic logic or common knowledge of ethnography. You are forcing the issue. For example its a linguistic fact that Igalla is older than both (Yoruba (as spoken in Nigeria) and Igbo ) languages but yet no linguist worth his intellectual weight in gold would suggest an Igalla parentage for anyone of them. You putting the proverbial cart before the horse when you suggest that because Igbo is a more complicated language than Yoruba ( mere opinion if you ask me) then it fathered the language. That is like saying a 27 year old who just got his PhD is now older than anyone he meets who has a Masters degree or less. This is absolute nonsense and the fact that you are incapable of spotting this obvious fallacy is quite alarming to say the least. Read my response to you demand for proof and convince yourself that, in fact, you have no intellectual legs to stand on.

bigfrancis21:
You haven't provided any factual objections to my theory though, only seeming to concentrate around the pyramid issue so far, yet referring to my theory as 'lacking in logic and basic ethnography'. I am well versed in Nigerian languages and culture and left the country on 2013 as an adult. Everything is still clear in my mind.

Which of your 'theories' are you talking about?

A. That the Yoruba language is an up shoot of the Igbo language OR

B. That a glorified mound found somewhere in Enugu is proof of an Igbo civilization on par with the Oyo Civilization.

Note I put theories in quote. A theory, from a scientific point of view, is more than a whimsical idea. It is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the the world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation. In case (B) Based on cursory examination of both languages, one can easily see that you are embarking on a pointless endeavor. There are tons of unrelated languages across the world who share similar linguist traits but no linguist of any worthy reputation has ever used that as a conclusive link of one the language been the off shoot of the other. The most you can claim is that there is a common origin which puts languages like Igalla, Yoruba, Igbo etc in the SAME 'pot.' However, mistaking common origin with 'mother-daughter' relationship is absolute ethnographic fallacy.

Concerning (A) the existence of a mound ('pyramid') and a few intricately designed pottery in ONE location in Enugu does NOT a precolonial civilization make. My point been this is definitely not conclusive. Since these artefacts were found virtually in the same location and not widespread in the region, it probably suggests the remnants of trade with a more advanced society and NOT evidence of an old Igbo civilization. However, for the Oyo and Bini apart from the very widespread artefacts across their respective regions they also had empires which is impossible without some form of socio-political civilization of some sort. Hence I showed the fallacy is your claim with clearly understood examples.

Whenever you come up with an idea (however silly or baseless) the burden of proof is ON YOU, not those who find your ideas worthless. You sound like the theist who claims there is a God but when pushed for proof demands you proof there is NO GOD. How can one prove a negative. Again, I think you are taking this too personal. Learn from your mistakes and move on. Holding on to failed ideas smacks of a very small mind - don't go down that route, dude.

Name Checkers Association of Nigeria (NCAN) u na food dey ready. Oya make u na siddon.

The Northern animals are at it again. Mtcheeeeeeeeeeeeeew

bigfrancis21:
Or maybe who knows, my theory would have been taken more seriously had it been written by a white professor from Stanford University. Maybe, people would then begin to laud his work as 'good research' deserving of worthy acclaim.

dude your theory is lacking in logic and basic ethnography. We could switch Igbo for Yoruba and it would still be as 'convincing' as the other respondent mentioned. Yoruba can never be 'bastardized' Igbo and vice versa. What you lack is an inability to question you own assumptions (and that's all you've got) and place them in the light of constructive criticism from your fellow NLers.

I would tear that pu(s(sy) and make her speak in tongues - walahi.

bigfrancis21:
The Nubians of Sudan also built pyramids of mounds/red sand which were as well re-built recently to regain their original shape. The same Nubians that constructed solid pyramids of Sudan. The Igbo case should not be any different.

The akpu-eaters mounds are nothing (absolutely) like the pyramids of Sudan - lets not get carried away here. Nobody will consider the ancient Sudanese as significant builders if all they had was mounds of red sand - lets be serious here. The Zimbabwean mounds are even far superior to the chest-beaters' mud work. Its like comparing a wooden toy car to a Ferrari - not close.

bigfrancis21:
You do know that tons of Yorubas out there believe in that stuff right?

Of course I don't believe in that fairy tale. I deal with hard facts, not some fairy tale borne out by uneducated skeptics.

Probably -they are amala eaters what did you expect? What is even worst is when akpu-eaters claim to be a lost tribe of Israel - the urge to be anything but African is strong in those ones. What a bunch of deluded fools. But enough about the cone-heads and their flatt -head chest beating compatriots. I think a better understanding of the Nok culture can shed more light into the history of the origins of current day Nigerians. Unfortunately, we have no indication of the language they spoke, and the current Bini language tend to be original to the South South. My guess is that the key to the language of the Noks might actually lie with Igalla - I think this should be studied.

bigfrancis21:
Your being impressed does not even matter to the crux of the matter at hand neither does it make a tad difference. The fact is no group of people without a civilization, structure and order can come together to build structures that stand the wear and tear of time. Given your glorification of the Oyo 'civilization', one would expect massive pyramids or structures as evidence of this 'great' civilization, but unfortunately none whatsoever were built.

glorified mounds (aka short pyramids) are a dime a dozen - they are scattered all across the world. They mean nothing. Don't take it personal. I was not that impressed with the one found in Scotland a few years back either. Yes. No evidence of the amala-eaters building tall mounds but again maybe they didn't see the point. Neither did the Bini empire (which you also glorified) have any record of one either - do you still see them as a significant civilization since they didn't have the akpu-peoples 'pyramids?' My point is a couple of mounds here and there does NOT a civilization make. No empire without a civilization, period. The amala people and Bini people had empires hence definite proof of civilization. The akpu-people on the other hand do NOT have convincing proof of precolonial civilization. This is nothing personal just historical facts.