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Family › Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by ibkayee(op): 12:19pm On Mar 07, 2019
Under Saudi law, which is based on Islamic Shariah, a woman can request a cancellation of the marriage contract if the man is not living up to his duties. Last year, Ms. Vierra filed a request with a Saudi court based on her husband’s emotional and verbal abuse. Her husband swore in court that she was lying and that he had divorced her more than six months earlier, an argument that the judge accepted, Ms. Carroll said.

Even after the divorce, her ex-husband remained the sponsor of Ms. Vierra’s residency, as well as the guardian of her and her daughter, Ms. Carroll said. In December, he refused to give them permission to travel, meaning that they missed Christmas with Ms. Vierra’s family.

Last month, he let Ms. Vierra’s residency expire, making her presence illegal in Saudi Arabia, Ms. Carroll said. Without valid residency, she cannot travel, go to the police or get access to her bank account, meaning that she cannot pay her business expenses or employees’ salaries.

Under a new Saudi law, women in her position can get residency for being the parent of a Saudi citizen. But only Ms. Vierra’s ex-husband can get the documents needed for her to obtain such a status, Ms. Carroll said, and he has refused to do so.
And while Zaina is a dual Saudi-American citizen, Saudi Arabia recognizes her only as a Saudi. This means that, since the child’s father is her guardian, even if Ms. Vierra can find a way to leave the kingdom, Zaina cannot go with her unless he grants permission.

Ms. Carroll shared Ms. Vierra’s story on the condition that her ex-husband’s name not be published; Ms. Carroll said she feared provoking his family and endangering her cousin. When contacted by The New York Times, Ms. Vierra confirmed the general outlines of her story but declined to comment further for fear of exacerbating her situation.

Her ex-husband did not respond to phone calls and messages seeking comment.
A State Department official declined to comment on Ms. Vierra’s case, citing privacy rules. But the consular information page for Saudi Arabia on the State Department’s website notes that even non-Saudi women need a male guardian’s permission to leave the country and that the United States government “cannot obtain exit visas for the departure of minor children without their father/guardian’s permission.”

It also says that when foreigners divorce Saudis, “Saudi courts rarely grant permission for the foreign parent to leave the country with the children born during the marriage, even if he or she has been granted physical custody.”

That leaves no clear exit for Ms. Vierra and her daughter, whose American relatives fear that the family will remain split up.

“She has no recourse,” Ms. Carroll said. “Everyone keeps asking: ‘What next? What next?’ But there is no what next.”
Family › American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by ibkayee(op): 12:19pm On Mar 07, 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-american-guardianship.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

At first, Saudi Arabia was an adventure for Bethany Vierra.

An American from Washington State, she taught at a women’s university, started a company, married a Saudi businessman and gave birth to a curly-haired daughter, Zaina.

But since the marriage went sour and she sought a divorce, she has been trapped. Because of the kingdom’s so-called guardianship laws, which give men great power over women, she is unable to use her bank account, leave the country, travel with her daughter or seek legal help, according to her cousin, Nicole Carroll.

“She is completely stuck,” Ms. Carroll, 37, said by phone from Dublin, Calif. “She is out of options.”

Ms. Vierra, 31, is now divorced, but her ex-husband let her residency expire, meaning she has lost access to her bank account and cannot get authorization to leave the country, Ms. Carroll said. Their 4-year-old daughter cannot travel without her father’s permission, meaning that even if Ms. Vierra finds a way to leave the kingdom, her child may have to stay behind.

Ms. Carroll decided to publicize her cousin’s case because she believed the family had nowhere else to turn and hoped that speaking out would encourage someone to help her, while also shedding light on what she called “an unfair system.”

Saudi Arabia’s restrictions on women drew renewed international scrutiny in January, when a Saudi teenager ran away from her vacationing family and barricaded herself in a hotel room in Thailand before being granted asylum in Canada.

Under the so-called guardianship system, Saudi women are given a legal status similar to that of minors. All must have a male “guardian” — usually a father or husband, but sometimes a son or uncle — whose permission they need to obtain passports, pursue certain medical procedures or travel. These rules extend to foreign women who marry Saudis, like Ms. Vierra, as well as their children.
Male guardians can grant or deny permission to travel through a government app, even registering to receive text messages when any woman over whom they have oversight passes through an airport.

Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s day-to-day ruler, has loosened some restrictions on women, lifting a ban on driving by women and allowing them into sports stadiums. Last month, he named a princess, Reema bint Bandar bin Sultan, as the new Saudi ambassador to Washington.

When asked on “60 Minutes” last year whether men and women were equal, Prince Mohammed said: “Absolutely. We are all human beings, and there is no difference.” Asked about guardianship in another interview, he said he wanted to “figure out a way to treat this that doesn’t harm families and doesn’t harm the culture.”

But rights advocates say guardianship makes women and men profoundly unequal and leaves a woman with little recourse if she ends up with a controlling or abusive guardian.

“They are trying to put an image out there that they are giving more rights to women, but if they really want to do that, they need to get rid of guardianship,” Ms. Carroll said.

Ms. Vierra moved to Saudi Arabia in 2011 to teach at a women’s university while doing research for a graduate degree, Ms. Carroll said. Friends introduced her to a Saudi businessman who had been educated abroad and seemed supportive of her ambitions. They married in 2013, inviting friends to a destination wedding in Portugal.

“At the beginning, it seemed really great,” said Ms. Carroll, who was the maid of honor. “He was charming and loving and generous and kind. She felt like she had met somebody who was on the same page as her.”

The marriage produced the daughter, Zaina, but eventually grew rocky. Ms. Vierra’s husband often lost his temper, shouting and swearing at her in front of Zaina, Ms. Carroll said. Ms. Vierra asked for a divorce, which men in Saudi Arabia — but not women — can grant by merely speaking a few words. For more than a year, he took no action on her request.

Romance › Re: South African Lady Kneels Down To Propose To Her Boyfriend In Public, He Said... by ibkayee(f): 11:24am On Mar 07, 2019
Mariangeles:
Not a big deal ??

Try it with Naija guys, and they'll rub it in your face at every given opportunity for the rest of your life how you begged them to marry you !

My Nigerian queens please DO NOT TRY THAT SH!T !
IT AIN'T ROMANTIC !
Not a big deal to some South Africans o, I know what Nigerian men are like, I won’t even let my husband know I like him until we’ve been married for at least 2 years and have kids grin

Lol jk but I’d never advise a Nigerian girl to propose
Romance › Are You Going To Their Wedding? by ibkayee(op): 11:05am On Mar 07, 2019
I love love kiss kiss

Romance › Re: South African Lady Kneels Down To Propose To Her Boyfriend In Public, He Said... by ibkayee(f): 10:52am On Mar 07, 2019
The South African people I know aren’t as uptight as Nigerians, I can see this not being a big deal. Congrats to them, it takes a lot of guts
TV/Movies › Re: What Movie Are You Watching Now? by ibkayee(f): 1:22am On Mar 07, 2019
troubleseller:
Ya. I gerrit. Surprisingly, I found it interesting. It has bits of comedy in it and some scenes reminded me that perhaps, the whole Africa has similar elements in our government. In fact, and I am not exaggerating, this is the most interesting African film I've watched since Nollywood's The Meeting.
Nice! I'll have to check it out at some point
Music/Radio › Re: What Music Are You Listening To Right Now? by ibkayee(f): 11:34pm On Mar 06, 2019
chic2pimp:
b

Braaaaaaaaap! Braaaaaaap! *Skanks whilst doing the Gunshot pose*
grin
TV/Movies › Re: What Movie Are You Watching Now? by ibkayee(f): 11:34pm On Mar 06, 2019
troubleseller:
No it's Zambian. You thought it was Nigerian because of the name abi?
Same thing please tongue

And yes, because of the name cheesy
Romance › Re: Cossy Orjiakor Dances Shaku Shaku Inside Swimming Pool (Photos) by ibkayee(f): 10:41pm On Mar 06, 2019
We've moved onto Zanku, tnx
Romance › Re: Why I Like Our Yoruba Girls by ibkayee(f): 10:28pm On Mar 06, 2019
grad2012:
haba so Yoruba gals don't have any other thing they are good at but only that.
Lol innit
TV/Movies › Re: What Movie Are You Watching Now? by ibkayee(f): 10:26pm On Mar 06, 2019
troubleseller:
I Am Not A Witch - 7/10
Crazy that stuff like this still happen around us.
Nollywood movie?
Music/Radio › Re: What Music Are You Listening To Right Now? by ibkayee(f): 10:24pm On Mar 06, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ELX91ChFvs

chic2pimp come and tell me you don't love this song
Travel › Re: Why Don’t Nigerians Give Way To Emergency Vehicles In Traffic (see PHOTOS) by ibkayee(f): 3:38pm On Mar 06, 2019
That’s unfortunate, you need to see the way people part like the Red Sea over here when they hear or see any emergency vehicle
TV/Movies › Re: What Series Are You Watching Now? Part 2 by ibkayee(f): 1:01pm On Mar 06, 2019
Gonna try to get into GOT... again

It looks really good I’m just always too lazy to catch up lol
Jobs/Vacancies › Re: You Just Got A Job And You Need Accommodation. Come In by ibkayee(f): 4:22pm On Mar 05, 2019
ToyinDipo:
Switching job
Congrats dear
Music/Radio › Re: What Music Are You Listening To Right Now? by ibkayee(f): 2:37pm On Mar 04, 2019
Music/Radio › Re: What Music Are You Listening To Right Now? by ibkayee(f): 2:35pm On Mar 04, 2019
Romance › Re: Wierd Things You Like About The Opposite Sex by ibkayee(f): 11:31am On Mar 04, 2019
pryme:
Yeah, it's always the little things am about.
But this is not weird, my Dad is well armed with those.
What happened to your own?

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