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American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by ibkayee(f): 12:19pm On Mar 07, 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/05/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-american-guardianship.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

At first, Saudi Arabia was an adventure for Bethany Vierra.

An American from Washington State, she taught at a women’s university, started a company, married a Saudi businessman and gave birth to a curly-haired daughter, Zaina.

But since the marriage went sour and she sought a divorce, she has been trapped. Because of the kingdom’s so-called guardianship laws, which give men great power over women, she is unable to use her bank account, leave the country, travel with her daughter or seek legal help, according to her cousin, Nicole Carroll.

“She is completely stuck,” Ms. Carroll, 37, said by phone from Dublin, Calif. “She is out of options.”

Ms. Vierra, 31, is now divorced, but her ex-husband let her residency expire, meaning she has lost access to her bank account and cannot get authorization to leave the country, Ms. Carroll said. Their 4-year-old daughter cannot travel without her father’s permission, meaning that even if Ms. Vierra finds a way to leave the kingdom, her child may have to stay behind.

Ms. Carroll decided to publicize her cousin’s case because she believed the family had nowhere else to turn and hoped that speaking out would encourage someone to help her, while also shedding light on what she called “an unfair system.”

Saudi Arabia’s restrictions on women drew renewed international scrutiny in January, when a Saudi teenager ran away from her vacationing family and barricaded herself in a hotel room in Thailand before being granted asylum in Canada.

Under the so-called guardianship system, Saudi women are given a legal status similar to that of minors. All must have a male “guardian” — usually a father or husband, but sometimes a son or uncle — whose permission they need to obtain passports, pursue certain medical procedures or travel. These rules extend to foreign women who marry Saudis, like Ms. Vierra, as well as their children.


Male guardians can grant or deny permission to travel through a government app, even registering to receive text messages when any woman over whom they have oversight passes through an airport.

Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, Saudi Arabia’s day-to-day ruler, has loosened some restrictions on women, lifting a ban on driving by women and allowing them into sports stadiums. Last month, he named a princess, Reema bint Bandar bin Sultan, as the new Saudi ambassador to Washington.

When asked on “60 Minutes” last year whether men and women were equal, Prince Mohammed said: “Absolutely. We are all human beings, and there is no difference.” Asked about guardianship in another interview, he said he wanted to “figure out a way to treat this that doesn’t harm families and doesn’t harm the culture.”

But rights advocates say guardianship makes women and men profoundly unequal and leaves a woman with little recourse if she ends up with a controlling or abusive guardian.

“They are trying to put an image out there that they are giving more rights to women, but if they really want to do that, they need to get rid of guardianship,” Ms. Carroll said.

Ms. Vierra moved to Saudi Arabia in 2011 to teach at a women’s university while doing research for a graduate degree, Ms. Carroll said. Friends introduced her to a Saudi businessman who had been educated abroad and seemed supportive of her ambitions. They married in 2013, inviting friends to a destination wedding in Portugal.

“At the beginning, it seemed really great,” said Ms. Carroll, who was the maid of honor. “He was charming and loving and generous and kind. She felt like she had met somebody who was on the same page as her.”

The marriage produced the daughter, Zaina, but eventually grew rocky. Ms. Vierra’s husband often lost his temper, shouting and swearing at her in front of Zaina, Ms. Carroll said. Ms. Vierra asked for a divorce, which men in Saudi Arabia — but not women — can grant by merely speaking a few words. For more than a year, he took no action on her request.

Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by ibkayee(f): 12:19pm On Mar 07, 2019
Under Saudi law, which is based on Islamic Shariah, a woman can request a cancellation of the marriage contract if the man is not living up to his duties. Last year, Ms. Vierra filed a request with a Saudi court based on her husband’s emotional and verbal abuse. Her husband swore in court that she was lying and that he had divorced her more than six months earlier, an argument that the judge accepted, Ms. Carroll said.

Even after the divorce, her ex-husband remained the sponsor of Ms. Vierra’s residency, as well as the guardian of her and her daughter, Ms. Carroll said. In December, he refused to give them permission to travel, meaning that they missed Christmas with Ms. Vierra’s family.

Last month, he let Ms. Vierra’s residency expire, making her presence illegal in Saudi Arabia, Ms. Carroll said. Without valid residency, she cannot travel, go to the police or get access to her bank account, meaning that she cannot pay her business expenses or employees’ salaries.

Under a new Saudi law, women in her position can get residency for being the parent of a Saudi citizen. But only Ms. Vierra’s ex-husband can get the documents needed for her to obtain such a status, Ms. Carroll said, and he has refused to do so.

And while Zaina is a dual Saudi-American citizen, Saudi Arabia recognizes her only as a Saudi. This means that, since the child’s father is her guardian, even if Ms. Vierra can find a way to leave the kingdom, Zaina cannot go with her unless he grants permission.

Ms. Carroll shared Ms. Vierra’s story on the condition that her ex-husband’s name not be published; Ms. Carroll said she feared provoking his family and endangering her cousin. When contacted by The New York Times, Ms. Vierra confirmed the general outlines of her story but declined to comment further for fear of exacerbating her situation.

Her ex-husband did not respond to phone calls and messages seeking comment.
A State Department official declined to comment on Ms. Vierra’s case, citing privacy rules. But the consular information page for Saudi Arabia on the State Department’s website notes that even non-Saudi women need a male guardian’s permission to leave the country and that the United States government “cannot obtain exit visas for the departure of minor children without their father/guardian’s permission.”

It also says that when foreigners divorce Saudis, “Saudi courts rarely grant permission for the foreign parent to leave the country with the children born during the marriage, even if he or she has been granted physical custody.”

That leaves no clear exit for Ms. Vierra and her daughter, whose American relatives fear that the family will remain split up.

“She has no recourse,” Ms. Carroll said. “Everyone keeps asking: ‘What next? What next?’ But there is no what next.”
Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by Mcdreamy15: 12:26pm On Mar 07, 2019
grin ibkayee call me when it hits FP
Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by LuciferSaviour: 12:29pm On Mar 07, 2019
Easy peasy.


1. Wear a wire.
2. Seduce the Islamic goat-raping heathen with stockings, fishnets, school uniforms, pigtails, lunch boxes or anything that arouses the paedophile in him.
3. Make sure you do not UnCloth completely and risk exposing the wire
4. Give him a mind blowing position (preferably the leapfrog style) until he loses his senses and gets to that stage where we promise to buy you private jets & pet dragons
5. Make him promise to let Zaina go. Make sure you get this part on record.
6. Replay it in court.

Problem solved!
[img]https://media1./images/7b1b7031254161211d033760fa6bff45/tenor.gif?itemid=12475856[/img]


NEXT!

*spits angry

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Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by nofuckz(m): 12:37pm On Mar 07, 2019
Mr Saudi was the best thing after white rice and stew until shit got sour.
they that wait on the lord, he will renew their strength _the holy book_ make she wait small
Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by Nobody: 12:44pm On Mar 07, 2019
Do u av any idea how its like or what it means for a Saudi 2 marry an outsider? Op, do ur research very well, Saudis "hardly" marry outside their country. I don't believe this story, esp 4 d fact dat the man even stays in Saudi with d wife.

Every1's not naive

However, if dis truly happened, d woman is getting wot she wants, cos she sud av seen dis coming.

Sounds like burnt dodo tho....

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Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by ifyalways(f): 1:39pm On Mar 07, 2019
Of all the men in this world, she chose a Saudi Arabian and as if that is not enough, left her country for Saudi with him?

She's found what she's looking for.

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Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by lexini: 2:49pm On Mar 07, 2019
court in saudi arabia or where?

i'll be shocked if all this count over there

LuciferSaviour:
Easy peasy.


1. Wear a wire.
2. Seduce the Islamic goat-raping heathen with stockings, fishnets, school uniforms, pigtails, lunch boxes or anything that arouses the paedophile in him.
3. Make sure you do not UnCloth completely and risk exposing the wire
4. Give him a mind blowing position (preferably the leapfrog style) until he loses his senses and gets to that stage where we promise to buy you private jets & pet dragons
5. Make him promise to let Zaina go. Make sure you get this part on record.
6. Replay it in court.

Problem solved!
[img]https://media1./images/7b1b7031254161211d033760fa6bff45/tenor.gif?itemid=12475856[/img]


NEXT!

*spits angry
Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by Oyindidi(f): 3:09pm On Mar 07, 2019
Welcome to Saudi grin here no be America where you go divorce still collect half of the man wealth.

I pray your people rescue you soon. As e no go easy for you there

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Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by bigdot1759(m): 3:25pm On May 14, 2019
She don chase money so teeeeyyyyyyyyy and now monney come dey chase her now
When u dey chop am who u call or helep?
Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by CaptainMitch: 10:49pm On May 22, 2019
Biacan what's up
Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by bukatyne(f): 7:01am On May 23, 2019
ifyalways:
Of all the men in this world, she chose a Saudi Arabian and as if that is not enough, left her country for Saudi with him?

She's found what she's looking for.

Hahahaha
Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by bukatyne(f): 7:04am On May 23, 2019
The woman is dumb.

Like my firm belief: know your leverage and work with it.

Except she is slow, she should have known that life/women in Saudi is different from where she is coming from so looking the guy in the face to divorce him would not fly.

From her cousin's narrative, she goes home for Christmas so why didn't she wait for Christmas and just disappear?

Saudi doesn't even sound like a place where 'verbal and emotional' abuse against women is a thing.

Solution:
1. She either figures out a way to leave without her daughter

Or

2. She goes back to the marriage cap in hand forgetting her American background and learn how fellow Saudi women manage their homes and husbands with emotional/verbal abuse. Since her heart has led her to a Saudi man, her body should be ready to pay the price.

By the way, the husband allowed her keep her business after marriage? She still has access to her phones and lives with him even though they are divorced?

How generous of him.

Something tells me it's all about the money and the mumu thought she could play a fast one like in Amelika.

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Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by Biglittlelois(f): 10:35pm On May 23, 2019
What type of love will make someone leave free USA for caged Saudi Arabia? A stupid love, I have no pity for her.

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Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by thorpido(m): 11:02pm On May 23, 2019
Some whites and their sense of adventure.Does Saudi Arabia look like the 'free American' society?

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Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by Thegamingorca(m): 12:55pm On May 24, 2019
ifyalways:
Of all the men in this world, she chose a Saudi Arabian and as if that is not enough, left her country for Saudi with him?

She's found what she's looking for.



I just tire. Bitch was looking for saudi citizenship grin she think say nah Yankee wey if you born pikin you are given the keys to the kingdom.


Where was she and what the Bleep was she doing when her resident permit expired

Bitch was clearly hustling for marriage pr before the shit hit the fan grin
Re: American Woman, Divorced From Saudi Husband, Trapped In Saudi Arabia by dedoz: 7:37pm On May 24, 2019
Watched a programme on Nat Geo,(Banged up abroad)..and got scared of Saudi thereafter...health workers who get jobs there and go over there are not permitted to travel unless when they are on leave.Their passports are collected from them once they get there.

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