tpiadotcom:
the thread starter has removed his original post.

Yes, because it's already finished. I got the answer, I don't need anymore comments.

OdenigboAroli:


This is very ffucked up,you need to be stoned to death!

lol,wtf?

bigfrancis21:


As for ancestral ties to Nri, some communities today in Igboland are said to have been founded by Nri ancestors, maybe Nnewi too, but that was way long time ago. In today's terms, he cannot be said to be from Nri if his own father is not from Nri.

Ok, thanks for the info.

bigfrancis21:


It can be considered as a city today because of western development, however it could also be thought of as a clan in traditional settings.

Within Nnewi, there are families. In Nnewi South, there are 4 main villages - Umudim, Uruagu, Otolo and Nnewi-Ichi.

With the search zeroed down to Nnewi, the search for the actual village and the family should be easier. He (or you maybe) could do a simple search and visit these 4 villages mentioned in Nnewi South and ask around for the Okafor family. With all Okafor families pointed out to you, you just simply ask questions by mentioning 'your' father's full name and those who know him or his father will automatically indicate so. Thus, your journey for your ancestral origins is over.

Ok, I'll tell him about it.

bigfrancis21:


That's the answer you're looking for. Since his father is from Nnewi, the man is also from Nnewi automatically. The Igbo society, just like most cultures in the world, is patrilineal and heritage or inheritance follows the male ancestral line. In Igbo land, you are from wherever your father is from, who is from where his own father is from, and so on and so on up to the very first male ancestor, irrespective of where you're from.

It is only in US that people determine area of origin by place of birth. America doesn't belong to the whites and blacks anyway, it is a borrowed land. Thus, whites and blacks cannot lay ancestral rights or origin to areas in America just as we do in Nigeria. Only the native indians can.

Nnewi is a city thought, not a clan.

tpiadotcom:
If the father said he didn't remember his clan, doesn't that mean he doesn't want enquiries into his clan.

And since did okafor become a subject of argument about the "area of igbo" which bears the name.

Op, you folks have come again.

And why does it bother you that the name 'Okafor' became a subject of argument about the area of igbo which bears the name?

tpiadotcom:
If the father said he didn't remember his clan, doesn't that mean he doesn't want enquiries into his clan.

And since did okafor become a subject of argument about the "area of igbo" which bears the name.

Op, you folks have come again.

He moved to America and stayed their for along time, according to him, that's why he doesn't remember what clan he is from.

OdenigboAroli:


Most Okafors are found in Anambra,some in ENUGU and Enuani and very few in Imo. So,the possibility of his father being from Nri is high.

His father is from Anambra, Nnewi city, specifically, southern Nnewi city. What do you think of his chances to be from the Nri clan is now? Now that I given the place where he is from, and his last name.

musicwriter:


Don't get it twisted!.

It's not a celebration. Eke, Orie, Afor, Nkwor. These are names of days of the week, just as you have Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday in English. In Igboland, 4 days = 1 week (at least before British people messed up our intellect and culture).
Okoafor (Oko born on Afo day; is just a name of a male)

Ok

victorels:


Most people that bear Okafor are enugu. But you should ignore the clan thing. Any tribe/clan can bear okafor. You don't/ can't Identify peoples origin from their name in Igbo Land except some state that have some funny title and answer it as name.

States like Ebonyi

Ok

bigfrancis21:


No clan specifically owns nor bears Okafor. It is simply a general Igbo name for a male child born on 'Afor' day. Oko+afo, just as we have Oko+eke (Okeke when pronounced fast), Oko+Nkwo and Oko+Oye (Okoye) or Oko+Orie (Okorie), the Igbo 4 market days being Eke, Orie, Afor and Nkwo.

Ok thanks

bigfrancis21:


His father is not necessarily from Nri. Okafor is a surname borne by most places in Igboland. His mother should be able to know where the man is from? Weren't the usual traditional rites conducted when they got together? She should be able to know her in-laws well to know where they are from - where she is married into.

They did not marry in Nigeri, they married in America

victorels:


we have 8 market days in Igbo Land. We do not celebrate market days but rather, we use the market days to share events and watch seasons.

The introduction of clan in Igbo Land is just to further dis integrate the Igbo race.

All are stories. I can tell you the story of my clan. It is very hilarious.

I know about the 8 market days but I'm more familiar with the 4 market days. But what clan is Okafor?

shalomm:

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"12. Line for God's lap"

Wow, ok. That's enough internet for the day.

muafrika:

Appreciated. That will be keeping me busy for sometime.

Cool Cool

muafrika:
I love reading through scripture and the truth is some of the bibles we have out there have diluted the meaning of most of it. Especially the newer versions. What is happening is just demonic. I prefer older versions and those offering direct translations. They have more depth. I also read the books that were not included but have credence in places like the Ethiopia orthodox church. Like the book of Enock. My favourite.

If you like reading the oldest version check this one out:

http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?book=34

It's the oldest bible put online and translated into English, some of it were not able to translate like the book of Genesis but most of the New Testament are translated into English it shows you the original copy on the side, then it shows it In greek on the right side, then in English under the greek section, this bible is 1,600 years old, probably the oldest you will get next to the Dead Sea scrolls, but apparently it seems like no one really knows what the Dead Sea scrolls say.

Dapo777:

Dapo777:


Why would I believe a book full of contradictions? Like the one we both discovered just now. Or do u need obvious contradictions like
Proverbs 26:4-5: Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.

Is that not a contradiction? After reading that What would be your conclusion? To answer a fool or not?

In my book it says:

4 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will also be like him.

5 Answer a fool as his folly 'deserves', that he not be wise in his own eye.



It not saying to not answer a fool, it saying not to answer a fool according to 'his' foolishness, but to answer the fool as his foolishness deserves.

socrateez:
HERE IS AN OFFICIAL RESPONSE FROM NIV BIBLE PUBLISHERS!
PLEASE REBROADCAST AS WIDE AS POSSIBLE TO SHAME THE DEVIL!!![/color]

Dear Samuel,

Thank you for checking on this before forwarding such false and misleading statements. It is good to see a Christian who uses their mind before simply believing such nonsense.

These statements are false and silly and promoted either by those who don't know any better or who are intentionally trying to mislead. They have been promoted by some people for the last 40 years or so, but were refuted by good conservative scholars from the very beginning.

First, the NIV does not remove ANY verses. Instead, like all good Bible translations, the NIV omits statements that were added later and WERE NOT PART OF THE ORIGINAL TEXT. When the KJV was translated, the translators had only a few manuscripts of the New Testament available to them and these were very late (mostly from the Middle Ages). We now have hundreds of earlier and more reliable manuscripts. Scholars today recognize that we have a Greek text today that is much closer to the original than the KJV translators had available to them. So all modern versions (except the NKJV) use these older manuscripts. Even the NKJV puts the better readings in the footnotes (look for the abbreviation NU, which refers to the earlier and better manuscripts).

Remember that the original books of the Bible had no chapter or verse divisions. These were added later. So to say that there are "verses" missing is wrong. What are "missing" are phrases or sentences that were added by later scribes and were not part of the original text. The NIV, like all modern versions, seeks to preserve what was originally there. Read the Preface to the NIV and some of this is explained.

As far as the homosexual statement is concerned, this is simply false. None of the translators of the NIV were homosexuals (or Satanists!). All were conservative evangelical Christians fully committed to the inspiration and inerrancy of the text. For the names of the present and past committee members, see

http://www.biblica.com/…/the-niv-bible/meet-the-translators/
http://www.bible-researcher.com/niv-translators.html

Just check passages on homosexuality in the NIV and you will see that the NIV is not "soft" on homosexuality. Here are the main passages:

Lev. 18:22 “ ‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

Lev. 20:13 “ ‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Rom. 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

1Cor. 6:9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

1Tim. 1:9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine

So you see, these accusations are false and slanderous. It is a shame that many Christians are out to attack others rather than to promote the good news.

Thanks again for your question.

Blessings,

Mark Strauss

Nicely done, bravo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHKiGl02NmU





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zEGjlHZMiM





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gia6xOBRjQE

The igbo and The jews-

Before the missionaries:

The Western world’s knowledge and interest in the Igbo dates back more than 500 years when Portuguese missionaries sailed to West Africa. They sent written reports back home about a tribe of Africans who were keeping the Jewish Sabbath and kosher laws. Most significant, though, was circumcision. With a large Muslim influence, circumcision was common among other Africans. But the Igbo were observing the tradition specifically on the eighth day, as Jewish practice stipulates.

The Igbo, the missionaries concluded, were practicing a basic Judaism based solely on the 613 commandments in the Torah since, according to their tradition, the Igbo’s ancestors left the Land of Israel long before the Talmud was codified and so their Jewish practice was Biblical rather than rabbinic in nature. (Some historians say the Igbo Jews migrated from Syria, Portugal and Libya into West Africa as late as 740 C.E. and were from several Israelite tribes – Gad, Asher, Dan and Naphtali. Later they were joined by more Jewish immigrants from Portugal and Libya in 1484 and 1667 respectively. - http://www.shavei.org/featured_articles/shavei-israel-sending-first-ever-emissary-to-nigerian-jews/?lang=en

So, this easily disproved the myth that the missionaries taught the Igbo, hebrew culture. When the missionaries are the ones that are shocked that the igbo's were practicing Jewish culture.



Igbo Jews according to Olaudah Equiano:



“the strong analogy which… appears to prevail in the manners and customs of my countrymen and those of the Jews, before they reached the Land of Promise, and particularly the patriarchs while they were yet in that pastoral state which is described in Genesis — an analogy, which alone would induce me to think that the one people had sprung from the other.” - Shavai-israel.org



This indicates that the igbo's were practicing Jewish culture before the coming of the missionaries, other wise, Olaudah Equiano would not have been so shocked that the igbo culture matches up with the ancient biblical culture.



The Igbo Jews according to Eldad the danite



According to 9th-century Jewish traveler Eldad ben-Mahli (Eldad the Danite), the Ibo Benei-Yisrael may be descendants of members of several of the “Lost Tribes of Israel.” He contended that the Jews of Africa came from the tribes of Dan, Naphtali, Gad and Asher, who had fled the Land of Israel so as not to participate in the civil war between Judah and Israelduring the time of Jereboam’s succession and reign over the Northern Kingdom (922-901BCE or 931-910 BCE). Eldad contended that these Jews originally settled in Havilah, beyond the rivers of Ethiopia. With them, they had a copy of the Tanach, less the books of Esther and Lamentations. These Jews had no knowledge of the Mishna or Babylonian Talmud, but had devised their own Talmudic tradition, in which all the laws were credited to Yehoshua bin Nun, who received them from Moses.

A 9th century Jewish traveler even knows this, so this debunks the claim that the Igbo learned this from the missionaries, when the missionaries came in igbo land in 1857, while the 9th century was over 1,000 years ago! So, in the 9th century atleast one man caiming to be from Dan know about the Igbo.

These is where I got information of Elbad the danite and the Igbo:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Nigeria.html

http://www.shavei.org/category/communities/other_communities/africa/igbo-jews-nigeria/?lang=en

Btw Shavei Israel is an Israelite based company dedicated to finding the lost tribes, there really nice people though!

Also another website mentioned the Jewish traveler of the 9th century in IgboLand:

The Igbo are said to have migrated from Syria, Portugal and Libya into West Africa after the Assyrian army deported them. They also believe themselves to be of the tribe of Dan. In the ninth century, a Jewish traveler came across the Igbo and wrote that they had the entire body of Jewish Scriptures except the books of Esther and Lamentations. Written records were lost during years of persecution in Muslim areas. However, they maintained many Jewish practices over the centuries including circumcision on the eighth day, observance of some of the dietary laws, and laws of uncleanness, and celebration of Jewish holidays, including Yom Kippur, Rosh Hashanah, Sukkot, and Passover.

http://losttribesofisrael.org







The lineages of Gad, Zevulun, Menashe according to the igbo Jews



• The Ibo of Benei Gath are said to have descended from Gath (Gad), the eighth son of Jacob. The lineage traces itself through Gath’s son, Eri ben-Gath. A number of Ibo clans claim this identity. They are the Aguleri, Umuleri, Oreri, Enugwu Ikwu, Ogbunike, Awkuzu, Nteje and Igbariam.



• The Ibo of Benei Zevulun trace their ancestry to Jacob’s fifth son, Zevulun. Tradition holds that a descendant of Zevulun named Zevulunu married Oji, a descendant of the tribe of Judah. They had a son: Ozubulu ben-Zebulunu. Ozubulu had four sons who are said to have settled in various areas located in what is now Nigeria. The resulting ethnic sub-identities are the Neni, Egbema Ugwuta, and Ohaji Egbema.

• The Ibo of Benei Menashsheh are believed to be descendant from Meneshsheh (Menashe), the son of Joseph, Jacob’s eleventh son. The Amichi, Ichi and Nnewi-Ichi ethnicities trace their lineage to Menashe.
Eri the Gadite according to the Igbo Jews
Eri, son of Gad is the father of all igbo, but for a while, some other tribes of Israel joined in with the Igbo Gadites, and mixed in with them, thus, Ephraim, Judah, Levi, and other tribes are among the Igbo as well. In the website, www.hebrewigbo.com, there is a picture of the writing at the stone throne of OBUGAD, written in Paleo hebrew that states: "This throne is dedicated to my father Gad" said to be built by Eri, into the God of his father YH-H.

Tribe of Ephraim, and the Igbo,

A particular group of igbo was able to be officially recognized by a chief rabbi as the lost Royal family of Ephraim:

these are the archeological evidence they used to convince the rabbi's:

http://amarielfamily.tripod.com/id11.html

And this is the video showing them being recognized:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsHYdL0UTR4

So, this shows, that the tribe of Ephraim made it to Nigeria, and if Ephraim can do it, so can others.

The tribe of Judah, and the Igbo:

There is a clan called the Uga clan, I don't if I spelled that right, but they are igbo's who claim to be from Judah.

The Igbo Levites according to genetic studies :


"There are also accounts of DNA testing which have found the kohen marker within members of both Yoruba and igbo people"- Remy IIona

Saying that, there is a group called B'nai Ephraim among the Yoruba claims to be from Ephraim, they're called 'Emo ya Quaim' or 'strange people' by the native Africans.

These Yoruba jews who claim that there ancestors came from Morocco are supported by there language which appears to be a mixture of Maghrebi Arabic and local negro speech.

Er or atleast Er's decendants, may have made it to Nigeria to, Er is a decendant of Shelah, Shelah is the son of Judah. When I say Er, I'm not talking about the Er that was killed by God in Genesis 38,

The Er mentioned in 1 Chronicles 4:21

" The sons of Shelah, the son of Judah, were Er, the father of Lecah..."


The reason why I state that Er may have made it to IgboLand, because the 'I' in UmuEri, and Algueri were added by the British, so, instead of those meaning Children of Eri, it means Children Of Er. In Genesis 38, Judah married a Canaanite Woman, and that Canaanite Woman gave birth to Shelah, and Canaanites are said to have been black people, so Er would of been a dark-skinned man, since his father Shelah, had a Canaanite mother. So, during the Jewish exile, it would of made sense for Er's decendants to flee to a place that has people that look like them. And Israelites have a history of naming a city after there father or forefathers. So, it could be that UmuEri, and Algueri are from Judah, and not Gad.But, Eri, the son of Gad, is still present among the Igbo, according to the onyx stone, and the Paleo-hebrew writting at the stone throne at Obuuga renamed by the British, so it's now known as OBUGAD.

According to Shavei Israel, here are likely theories for the migration of Hebrews into IgboLand:

1. Through migrations west from the Arabian Peninsula, Egypt, Ethiopia, Kenya, and the Sudan.
2. Through trade and travel of North African Jews within the West African Kingdoms of Mali, Songhai, and Kanem-Bornu. According to accounts from explorers of the region, several of the rulers of the Songhai Empire were said to be of Jewish origin.
3. Through Jews traveling with Kel Tamasheq (Tuareg) trade caravans from various parts of Northeast Africa into West Africa.


I think these are more likely then the whole igbo-Gad-Eri theory.