₦airaland Forum

@OP the indians or chinese are not Nigeria's problem. We have very shabby domestic and foreign policies. You say they are exploitative yet we have labour unions. Even the UK government cannot try what you are saying because of the economic impact. If our government care which other nationals can try such nonsense. Some people are saying they can't try this in the USA, even in Ghana, Cameroun or small benin they won't dare this. Our challenges as a nation are institutionalised; you can find same in every sector.

@dollz God bless you!!!
@OP all I can say to you is if you are born again, you won't ask this question..wisdom is profitable to direct.

@Eko ile thanks for your answers. However:
Will you call 788 doctors dispensible in a system where the ratio is more than 1:10,000
Are the doctors calling for a present review of their remuneration or an honouring of a previous agreement?
Would sane doctors be agitating for the implementation of an oral agreement?
What's the wisdom of sacking 788 grossly inadequate full time doctors (strictly in terms of doctor to patients ratio) and employing 300 part time doctors?
So you feel the 300 doctors conditions of service which was tailored to favour the employers will hold water when both sets of doctors are in public service?

I'm none partisan or tribalistic. I feel the LASG wanting to salvage an already avoidably bad situation erred in principle. They are to create employment and not unemployment.

Not holding brief for the doctors but:

1. Which mega city in the world can any masses-based government sack 788 doctors.
2. Where is integrity in openly refusing to honour VALID agreements.
3. Now you reinstate the hitherto sacked doctors, what about the 300, will they still be in employment?
4. If no that means another 300 will be out of jobs
5. If yes what will be their salary structure as compared to the reinstated colleagues?
6. Are doctors really responsible for the medical security of her citizens or the government, if the doctors are seen as irresponsible for going on frequent strikes what about their employer?

We must look beyond subjectivity and be objective to fully understand the social cost of this whole situation. Every employee is responsible to his employer and vis versa. Its just a shame that both parties here let things deteriorate to the unnecessary loss of life.

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June 13

@T22 thanks!!!

@allycat Pathetic!!! Was told Gov. Fashola flew his dad abroad for medical attention, if true, its saddening. Statistic so far is that even if they are ready to employ, qualified doctors are scarce. At the end its the people that will be on the receiving side not the officials.

Not holding brief for the doctors. Nigeria is presently a state "tailored to administrate and not to produce". This is why those who produce services like soldiers, doctors, teachers etc are paid far less than political administrators. Its very funny that an average senator (not the president) in nigeria earns more than twice what President Obama earns and more than four times what the British PM earns annually respectively. Bringing it to Lagos, how much do LCDA bosses earn. This is way beyond just the doctors; we live in a country where outside the private sector, the laziest people physically in terms of work done and intellectually are paid more! The doctors had a moral duty to meet the health needs of Lagosians during the strike period just as the LASG had its own moral duty to honour an agreement it entered!!!

@allycat don't worry, its all working for your good.

Best thread yet!!! @T22 thanks! I was told too that my part time BSc would cover for the professional experience you mentioned initially. I would have loved going for a full time MBA at Unilag, (not MSc Economics), but I ll go for LAUTECH MBA part time or any federal Uni with a study centre in Lagos considering my job and the cost implication. What's your take?

@tanimola22 thanks very much. I studied for my BSc part time too. I hope that will count. Thanks again.

Nice topic. I just finished my BSc in Economics and want to do an MBA (Part time) at LAUTECH, does any one have any info as per the duration and cost implication? Thanks

@Goshen had to come a say I didn't insult you at all, just made observation as to where you appear ignorant of scriptures.

Now I wasn't evading your question like you have always done mine. I didn't answer cos it has no bearing to paying tithes.

The question is not if the priests paid tithes, its why they didn't . Study the scripture well. Tithes and firstfruits were taken from increases. The levites were God's ministers; they didn't even get any inheritance and their occupation was primarily in the sanctuary. They had no inheritance or business like the other tribes, hence they was nothing to give tithes from since they were not generating "income".

Now is that how you operate in your priesthood? Are you saying you don't generate income or increases?

Rev 1vs6 : Our kingship is primarily to utter and declare things and see them come to pass, for "where the word of a king is there is power and our priesthood is to offer sacrifices of praise, worship and prayer to God, like david said "let the lifting of my hands be as the evening sacrifice and another portion say "by Him therefore let us offer the sacrifices of praise continually; that is the fruit of our lips"

That's my very final take on this...sorry ones again, I didn't insult you; I'm persuaded of excellent things. Bye y'all

@Goshen "It is Priest that receives tithe FROM THE LEVITES in the OT". You sure are getting funnier. The priest were levites; ever heard the term levitical priesthood?

Its simple, ask yourself:
1. were tithes were paid before the law? YES
2. were the priests there before the law? NO
3. Was the tithe a function of the law? NO cos it came before the law.

So your whole body of proof why you don't pay tithes is that you are a priest? Hahaha!!!

Wish all y'all the best. Pay your tithes if you like or not, your choice. For me, it isn't OPTIONAL!

@Bernimoore meant no insult, just a candid observation. The tithe is paid not just given.

8 “Should people cheat God? Yet you have cheated me!
“But you ask, ‘What do you mean? When did we ever cheat you?’
“You have cheated me of the tithes and offerings due to me. 9 You are under a curse, for your whole nation has been cheating me. 10 Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple. If you do,” says the LORD of Heaven’s Armies, “I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won’t have enough room to take it in! Try it! Put me to the test! (Mal 3:8-10 NLT).

@soalsola abraham did not give tithe under law, there was no law during his time. He gave tithes based on his revelation. Don't forget abraham was also a prophet and the father of faith.

@Bernimoore I had to come say you are right, abraham gave a tenth from the spoil.
@Goshen your ignorance is alarming. Jesus has made us kings and PRIESTS unto God (Rev1:6). Please stop spreading your ignorance. In any church the pastor is the priest, even in any home, the spiritual head; that is, the one you look up to for spiritual guidance is the priest. I wonder where you are coming from!

@Goshen I see you are either evading my questions or are ignorant. Summarily, the tithe came before the law, the law just help in the how its supposed to be given during the duration of the law. If you decide not to give your tithe as I see you have, its personal as just its consequence. My point is don't spread it cos nobody can be at a disadvantage for paying tithes wheter wrong or right. If in any church, the instruction is "pay your tithe" pay it period or leave and join a church that doesn't. Don't mislead people. Anybody who isn't paying tithe is their business, but criticising those that do is a manifestation of that guilty conscience feeling, recruiting others won't make it right or wrong. That's all I ll say. God loves you and so do I!

@Goshen Jesus was not the high priest while he walked the earth. They were priests as well as the high priest when he walked the earth. I think what you shld ask yourself is:
1. Which came first, the law or tithe
2. Was the levitical priesthood in existence before moses?
3. Why was abraham's name changed from abram?
4. Why would the bible say will a man rob God?...you have robbed me in tithe and offerings" (mal 3:8-10) if these were voluntary like you are painting
5. How did Abraham gave tithes of the same spoil the bible says he gave to the king of sodom because according to Abraham "..lest you say you made Abraham rich" (Gen 14:21-24).
6. Did jacob give tithes at all, and did he give it the the levitical priesthood?
7. Where did jacob get idea of giving a the tenth from?
8. What's the correllation between the tithe and the law that's warrants it being abolished with the law.
9. When did the law come into effect?

Waiting your reply and my response to that will be my very last cos christianity really is personal!

@Boshen, Beula and Bernimoore very true, the levitical priesthood has been annulled. Jesus is now our great high priest consistent with scriptures. Abraham paid tithes to melchizedec who is without origin, made like unto the son of God, Jesus our High preist (Heb 7:3). Abraham had nothing to do with the law cos "the law came by moses...". Again Abraham didn't pay tithes from the spoils cos he returned all the spoil to the king of sodom, except what the men eat and took (Gen14:21-24). Again Jacob vowed a vow that if God will fulfill the abrahamic convenant with him, that he will give "the tenth" of all that God shall give him (Gen 28:20-22). Where did Jacob learn that principle if not from his father Isaac?. These people gave tithe before the law starting with abraham who gave tithe to melchizedec who symbolises Christ. Now the levitical priesthood has been abolished and the law has been abolished too (Eph 2:15). Whereas you pay your tithe to avoid a curse and for the devourer to be rebuked for your sake (Malachai 3:8-11). So if you don't want to pay your tithe that's personal but please don't preach it cos when you change your opinion about it, you can't change the fact that some would have taken to your opinion about not paying tithes. Its better to pay tithes and be right or wrong cos you only "loose" money if wrong than to not pay tithes and be wrong, marrying curses in the process. That's all I ll say on this topic. Love you all!!!

The bible talks about those "ever learning but never comming to the knowledge of the truth", but this is not as sad as another portion that says some "have their understanding darkened". OP the first person to pay tithes was Abraham before the law, if you study your bible well you ll see that his children paid tithes while still in his loins before the law. Jacob also made a vow to pay his tithes. Abraham paid tithes to melchizedec (Heb 7:1-10) who is a type of Christ. The covenant God had with Abraham is an everlasting covenant which all Christians enjoy outside the law. So you want the blessings of abraham but you want to be blind to the principles he, isaac and jacob lived by? Its one thing to be ignorant, but PLEASE don't spread it!!! You don't want to pay tithes fine, don't drag others with you.

Yep, its possible to be denied the visa. Heard of a case where this lady was asked how many subjects she took in her waec, she went blank cos she wasn't expecting that question, they felt she brought a forged result and denied her. Just be truthful knowing accurately the info in the docs you are submitting and show them you are doing something in Nigeria however big or small cos they don't want liabilities.

Poverty is a choice! A state of mind. If lack doesn't irritate a person irrespective of what he/she controls at the moment they can't live above poverty. God sees poverty differently form the world; the same flood that destroyed the world carried noah's ark. So, a person born into a poor family due to economic, social or political factors might develop a mindset that is actually comfortable with poverty(easily seen in the words the utter) and unless this mindset is changed, this person will remain poor irrespective of where he/she is in this world and may even return to poverty irrespective of the amount of wealth they may control through opportunities. God is in heaven, He has given the earth to the sons of men!!!

Again, don't deceive yourself, you can only be a vivid reflection of your Pastor, you can't live above poverty if your Pastor is against prosperity.

Thanks @leki2 and the other person who cited the example of a boy not wanting to sell pure water for your inspiring comments.

Shameful is the fact that Nigeria is a country where we only celebrate people when they are dead! God bless The Bishop David Oyedepo.

@OP different strokes for different folks. I grew up in a home where we serve ourselves food. If that's the same kind of home your hubby is from, your not allowing her serve herself may be strange to them even though you might not have been wrong wanting her to seek permission. As for your hubby. I think your hubby should man-up!

@OP it takes two to make a marriage work and just one to fustrate it. In your case I think its unfair to think or conclude its your hubby that is fustrating your marriage because what we have here is your take. Firstly, settle that divorce is not an OPTION, secondly stop the blame game and get to the root of issues raised. #wisdom is profitable to direct!!!