₦airaland Forum

backbencher:
Good afternoon..it's no use arguing with you

I agree with you that Buhari is a bad leader, where we disagree is why he is a bad leader and why Nigerian economy has always been bad. And what needs to be done to change that.

But since I don't agree with you word for word I must be a Buhari supporter.

I don't argue with people who use the No true Scotsman Fallacy

I understand you bro. I just want you to agree with me that Buhari is also an architect of most if not all of his troubles presently... Just under stand me abeg

backbencher:
Good afternoon..it's no use arguing with you

I agree with you that Buhari is a bad leader, where we disagree is why he is a bad leader and why Nigerian economy has always been bad. And what needs to be done to change that.

But since I don't agree with you word for word I must be a Buhari supporter.

I don't argue with people who use the No true Scotsman Fallacy

I understand you bro. I just want you to agree with me that Buhari is also an architect of most if not all of his troubles presently.

backbencher:
In 1984, we were two years into the oil crash. As a result, the economy was in a bad state....and had been for two years.

The crash happened in 1982. That meant that the economy collapsed due to lack of forex. Shagari was already calling for austerity measures by 1983.

What Buhari should have done was to take measures to diversify the economy then. He did not.



During the hard times of Buhari and IBB in 1983-92 ,I also went to a private school, and ate three times a day, and also enjoyed. But it does not mean the economy was in a good state then. (By 1989, parents were running side hustles like most people to fund our lifestyle. Plus we cut coat well well.)

The economy was in a bad state. Then, and now, even under Obasanjo (Infact in 2003, the argument used by Obasanjo supporters then was that since OBJ 'failed' he should be allowed to 'repeat'.




I never ever campaigned for Buhari at all. I have supported third parties since 1999.

In 1982, Shagari was in charge, and in charge till December 1983....Buhari took over Dec 31 and was in charge from then till August 1985.

The harsh truth was that we had an economic crisis due to oil price crash.

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Focus on the bolded, it's why we had issues in 1982-4..and eventually to 1990 (in 1986, IBB brought in SAP).

Buhari and many of his successors failed in one thing....they did not respond to the problem by diversification.




In 1984, less than 300000 Nigerians had access to a telephone. Under Obasanjo, that jumped up to 22 million or so. That means...more forex, higher dependence on revenue

Plus in 1984, our economy was bad. In 2004 our economy was bad. Simple reason....we were a resource dependent country, and we still are.

You have really found a way to defend Buhari.

Well you said because of crash in oil prices..abeg why after Buhari left in 85, why did things improve immediately unlike when he was there and people were standing on line for basic stuffs like sugar etc?

As soon as Buhari was pushed off power things improved for Nigerians.


Thank God you said the Advent of telephone in Nigeria brought a new means of forex , but you forget that is just one means of forex.. but now doing Buhari time we have social media and others means of getting forex at present than doing obj 1999-2007


Doing obj how many means apart from oil we could use to get forex?
Now doing Buhari at present...how many means about from oil we could get forex and then compare

backbencher:
In 1984, we were two years into the oil crash. As a result, the economy was in a bad state....and had been for two years.

The crash happened in 1982. That meant that the economy collapsed due to lack of forex. Shagari was already calling for austerity measures by 1983.

What Buhari should have done was to take measures to diversify the economy then. He did not.



During the hard times of Buhari and IBB in 1983-92 ,I also went to a private school, and ate three times a day, and also enjoyed. But it does not mean the economy was in a good state then. (By 1989, parents were running side hustles like most people to fund our lifestyle. Plus we cut coat well well.)

The economy was in a bad state. Then, and now, even under Obasanjo (Infact in 2003, the argument used by Obasanjo supporters then was that since OBJ 'failed' he should be allowed to 'repeat'.




I never ever campaigned for Buhari at all. I have supported third parties since 1999.

In 1982, Shagari was in charge, and in charge till December 1983....Buhari took over Dec 31 and was in charge from then till August 1985.

The harsh truth was that we had an economic crisis due to oil price crash.

.

Focus on the bolded, it's why we had issues in 1982-4..and eventually to 1990 (in 1986, IBB brought in SAP).

Buhari and many of his successors failed in one thing....they did not respond to the problem by diversification.




In 1984, less than 300000 Nigerians had access to a telephone. Under Obasanjo, that jumped up to 22 million or so. That means...more forex, higher dependence on revenue

Plus in 1984, our economy was bad. In 2004 our economy was bad. Simple reason....we were a resource dependent country, and we still are.

You have really found a way to defend Buhari.

Well you said because of crash in oil prices..abeg why after Buhari left in 85, why did things improve immediately unlike when he was there and people were standing on line for basic stuffs like sugar etc?

As soon as Buhari was pushed off power things improved for Nigerians.


Thank God you said the Advent of telephone in Nigeria brought a new means of forex , but you forget that is just one means of forex.. but now doing Buhari time we have social media and others means of getting forex at present than doing obj 1999-2007.

backbencher:
We weren't living better under Obasanjo.

Things were just as bad then

They are worse because our population is higher than it was then,and by extension our Forex needs

Note that I am.not defending Bihari. The problem with both Buhari and Obasanjo is that if they had pursued policies that diversified our economy away from oil we would have been in a much better place than when Obasanjo was in power.

Buhari is a bad leader. Where we disagree is why he is a bad leader

Ok really? Was our population higher in 1984 when Buhari was head of state and Nigerians were suffering?.

See we live better doing Obasenjo. Doing Obasenjo I was in primary school .a private one. I could boast of eating 3 times daily. I could boast things were far easier from my family. But the devil Buhari came in things became extremely hard.
You know the worst 2015 I campaigned for Buhari and my parents warned me told me how they suffered in 1982-84 I refused to reason it. I believe things will be different this time but they ain't .
You complain of higher population now than doing Obasenjo.. in 1984 was the population higher than Obasenjo era too?

J3susFr3ak:
Interesting that you mention India's population size. I understand you wanted to emphasize that it is not the size of a country's population but how "productive" that population is. India's tech sector is still growing. Their fastest growth area is reflected in the boom in Tech Unicorn Startups as mentioned in this article: https://www.ibef.org/economy/indian-economy-overview-- "India is the fourth-largest unicorn base in the world with over 21 unicorns collectively valued at US$ 73.2 billion, as per the Hurun Global Unicorn List. By 2025, India is expected to have ~100 unicorns by 2025 and will create ~1.1 million direct jobs according to the Nasscom-Zinnov report ‘Indian Tech Start-up’"...

Nigeria's extremely large population is nowhere near productive even for fourth world countries. There is absolutely no policy to incubate any virile world-class tech or industrial startup scene at all. What is the point when even the basics of providing constant and stable electricity has not been mastered? Emerging markets like India and even more-so China--have since leaped far ahead because they prioritized the need to produce and export "something of value"...rather than roll around the the low-wage resource exports tier. Countries like China also understood "growth" by placing a one-child policy for a period in their history with a clear understanding of how Malthusian dynamics can doom a nation's economic growth plans. Nowadays, a more prosperous China has done away with limits to child bearing and is encouraging their young citizens to have more babies because of the greater trend of an aging population.

What has doomed Nigeria for so long is the fact that a wild out of control population growth is driven more by "political competition" rather than an a natural organic natural growth reflecting the actual capacity of citizens to take care of themselves. The various ethnic groups have not understood the types of "growth" that correlates with a high human development index--where the quality of the population means a lot more than the "quantity." Becoming a diligent "civil servant" in any tier of government is not the type of technical growth we are talking about.

Why has the budget ballooned out of control? Because a massive hydra-headed beast of a leeching Federal Government sucks in and spits out into artificially created constructs called "states" that are even more unproductive but need an unhealthy amount of subsidies from a mono-export to survive.

If I had the powers I would scrap two-thirds of the existing states, wipe away the existing local governments (those who want to exist must tax themselves to survive), create a more regional or state policing system (relieving the FG of this burden) and encourage each state to exploit more of their own resources to export for cash. Then, for each state or region...it is sink or swim time! If anyone likes, train your youths with the technology of tomorrow or train them with Almajiri and Nomadic Terrorism...it is all up to you. No more oil revenue to cover your shame anymore!

No where productive but Buhari and his unproductive North's keep producing 100 of children.

In 1982-84 nigerians suffered.. guess who was in power then...Buhari
In 2015-2022 Nigerians are suffering..guess who is in power ...buhari.

Most nigerians always suffer when Buhari is in power?
Abi you want to say the one of 1984 is oil prices too? Or that India still has a better productive population than us?

Abeg you guys should stop defending buharis failure....it irritating seriously


By the way your ending is way Nigerians are asking for, True federalism. We can't sustain the current system we are practicing. States needs to start being in control of their future.
We have to go back to regionalism
This time just 5 regions..
Eastern, Western, southern, northern, and Midwest region will be idea and save us alot of money than this current system.

We outh to have started it with first the E-Voting and State policing system your Dear president has refused to signed into law.

Pataricatering:
if we begin to talk the evil men do -, you people will start crying and telling the world about how feminists hate men ! from human ritual., banditry, terrorism ,kidnapping, armed robbery etc etc its men ! no be men go hold fresh human head of pikin wey dem kill becos of greed ? And so many other evil atrocities but you people will blind your eyes to all that - na dishonesty go kill all.of una

Na their women dey spur them to do all those wicked things nna. After all Na una go tell them no be them mate dey drive Benz so why Dem no go find way drive too

Pataricatering:
oga, talk true ? Wetin be your problem with women ?

Simple. Their wickedness

backbencher:
My point is both Buhari and Obasanjo are bad leaders because they did not get us off oil.

Yeah maybe. But we live more better doing Obasenjo time so I take obasem

Happy birthday

backbencher:
Buhari also had oil prices dip below 30 dollars in 2016 and 2020,plus oil price in Nigeria has never been at our fiscal breakeven which is above 120 dollars per barrel,which is why we are in debt

( That's why Jonathan also took loans. Despite having high oil prices,the prices did not meet or reach the breakeven oil price. Then he was forced to spend billions on subsidies that he didn't want)

But I agree with you. Buhari was voted in to solve those problems ,and he talked a fine game about diversification. He and osinnbanjo.

At the end, nothing happened and the economy is in a mess.

There.are.many reasons why I never voted for APC at all

Ok have u have used that to defend Buhari.. my own is that Obasenjo had it's worst. On an average Obasenjo oil prices was much lower than Buhari simple. Stop defending failure.

India govt pulled 300+ million people off poverty in the same year Buhari came to power 2015-2019...despite having more Population than us. What is Buhari doing? Sending millions into poverty

backbencher:
Oil prices under Obasanjo were between 20 to 60 dollars and higher . It was between 60 to 70 dollars.when he left.power.

Also our forex needs were lesser then.

Even then the economy was just as bad.

Obasanjo managed to pay off our debts under a deal where we still paid one third of the debts while te rest was wrriiten off. Many other African countries had all their debts written off completely.

We get into debt because the price of what we sell is never where we want it to be.

Lenders like China are never in debt like we are because they sell industrial goods menaningthey can set the price,meaning more Forex

You get why Buhari is a bad leader now?

Buhari is leaving power now and oil price is rising and will rise as much as 90 dollars soon.. but on an average we know Obasenjos time his was 20-30 dollars per barrel compared to Buhari own that average about 50 dollars per barrel. Is that simple.

Buhari build 2 rail way( note abuja-kaduna was Jonathan's) we no go rest. Abeg jhor.

Maybe after Buhari goes, we will need another Obasenjo to come and beg for debt relief.

See bro one of the reasons we are suffering higher inflation is because of the close of border.. that shit haven't helped us in anyway...

By the way do Rwanda sale industrial goods that they're doing quite well than us? No.
Though I know you will call Population as the reason but you forget India has times 5 of our population and they're doing quite well. The year Buhari came to power, between 2015-2019 India pulled more than 300 million people from poverty. That's leadership there.

The Indian govt didn't go blaming past administrations or oil prices or dancing prices( lol I'm joking about the dance) for the amount of poor people in their country or the state of things in their country.

Compare Nigeria to India 2015-2022 and you will see your President and his party are utter failures... Infact, let's even leave India and go to Rwanda, or common Ghana here.

slimjohn2k5:
The best person to come for omugwo is from wife's family unless they are not available.

Moreover, do not take it against her as the person above me have told you she may be suffering from
postpartum depression.

Despite that please let her own people come first

Post partum behavior Cor post partum ni... She is suffering for wickedness like the one on front page who starved someone's child to death. Wickedness is in them like gala tofiakwa.

Don't you know women, they're wicked creatures. Na so the other one starve a little baby to death... That's how they go about doing wickedness. Women don't care about no one except their children or those related to them.


On topic, your wife clearly do not respect your mother ( typical of them) but she respect her's. So if I were you I would put her in her place. One more slipup and file for divorce. Disrespecting my mother is disrespecting me I won't take that. Simple.