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nairamaniac:
I have tried hard to search for the picture samples on that xiaomi thread. I can't locate them. I can't even locate from ikon360 posts.


pls can u paste the link to those pictures here.

Thanx!

But I am getting notifications that you mentioned me. I have posted a number of pictures

haymekus:
Have you watched barce games this season?

In three games he has missed 3 big chances thereby leading to 0 goals.

I’m pretty sure you didn’t watch any of them, because anybody that watched it wouldn’t come out to say all these, I wonder what’s so special in scoring a deflected goals(the keeper would have comfortable caught it anyway) and a tap-in, cos I watched both games.

he couldn’t even link up well with their forwards yet you’re spilling trash here

I was taking you serious till you pointed that Greizman's second goal was a tap in. I have nothing else to say to you. Good night

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haymekus:
You drop this type of mediocre performance, the next thing that comes to your mind is Messi should make way for you


Nonsense

Did you watch Greizman during the break? In three matches or so he scored two goals. And he played generally well, his teammates were spotting his runs and he always pressed and joined in attack. He was never isolated and the ball was always coming to him too. And he only dropped a mediocre performance in that match against Portugal. In fact everyone dropped a mediocre performance in that match.
Greizman had a great international break. Maybe only Jota or a few other players had a better outing

tesppidd:
Bolded GBAM!

So how then does anybody come up with such logic;

Xavi and Iniesta = Trophy for Spain.
Messi = No trophy for Argentina.

Therefore it is proven that Xavi and Iniesta were more instrumental to Barca's success than Messi was.


I mean how does someone draw such conclusion?
How does someone reason like this.?

I don't know for Godx but what I am saying is Spain were extremely fortunate when they had so many players playing under Guardiola, just as Germany also won the world cup with a number of their players under Guardiola too.

Godx:
Well I disagree on the bold. Barca Messi and Argentina Messi are very different bro. Maybe due to lack of players,world class coach or proper system but Barca Messi is very distinct from the Messi I see in Argentina. Argentina have never utilized Messi properly and apart from one competition which was the Copa America he has never light up any tournament with Argentina like he does regularly in the champions league.

Messi has lit up many tournaments with Argentina, World Cup 2014, Best player. Copa America 2015 best player but he rejected the award according to one article on telegraph. If that's not lighting up a tournament, I don't know what is

tesppidd:
Oh please stop lumping Xavi and Iniesta together like they are the same person.
Xavi and Iniesta are 2 different people.

Also Pique, Alba and Busquets were the only first team players in 2008 who were not at World Cup 2006 in Germany.

And the only starter at Euro 2008 who was also in the starting eleven in 2006 was ........

Stop misinforming the public.

Every one of Puyol, Ramos, Iniesta, Xavi, Casillas and Alonso had their first major national team role at Germany 2006.

I know we are all Barca but any attempt to restrict the successes of the golden Spain generation to Xavi and Iniesta only is as false as false can be.

Spain of 2008 to 2012 had a very solid team from goalkeeper to defence to midfield to attack.

But Argentina! Very rich in attack, mediocre in midfield, mediocre in defence, mediocre between the sticks.

Messi was playing with Otamendi and Mascherano and who in defence and midfield?? ?

Banega, Biglia, Perez?

Oh please!!

That logic about Xavi and Iniesta winning without Messi but Messi failing without them and so they were more important than Messi in the Barca set up is so laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.

This thing is simple, Spain were under performing at the national stage until Euros 2008. After then the rise of Barca as a force to be reckoned coincided with the rise of Spain in national team football.
Also the success of the Spanish golden generation isn't being restricted to Xavi and Iniesta, just as the success of the Barca side of 2008/2009 isn't restricted to just Messi.
And this Argentina you are ridiculing have reached 3 finals, THREE!! Two Copa America and 1 World Cup final. So don't undermine them. You don't reach finals by coincidence or luck, you play well and reach the final. Even the finals all were decided in either Extra time or penalties.
Modified Argentina and Messi have lost 4 finals, Copa America 2007, World Cup 2014, Copa America 2015 and Copa America 2016.

Godx:
I would rather say Guardiola brought out the best version of Barca Messi. It's refreshing to see a
fellow Barca fan that's rational unlike others that are quick to tag other people posts as "trash and nonsense".

Thank you.
But Barca Messi is still Argentina Messi. Argentina isn't a club, they never had the players like Barca did. But they did extremely well in 2014 World Cup, coming 2nd with Messi the best player. So I think Messi has been very crucial and influential not just in Barca but for Argentina. Remember they did his miracle to even qualify for 2018 World Cup. And there was no Xavi and Iniesta nor Guardiola. Messi has been phenomenal I tell you. Heck he has reached 3 finals with Argentina, 2 at Copa America and 1 at the world cup and he was the best player or among the best players for these tournaments. So I think Messi is that important.
Of course Xavi and Iniesta elevated that Barca side but Messi was extremely crucial

Godx:
Well put but at the bold bro Guardiola is well known today for creating and coaching one of the greatest teams of all time not Messi.

Nah, Guardiola would always been known for coaching and creating one of the greatest teams of all time AND the greatest player of all time. You can't mention Guardiola without mentioning Messi and you can't mention Messi without mentioning Guardiola. Heck Messi won 4 Ballon d'ors under Guardiola's tutelage and shattered record after record under Guardiola. Guardiola was in charge when we had the best versions of Messi

This argument isn't an attempt to downplay Messi's importance to the team. Messi was important. But even that Barca struggled without Xavi in some matches, Xavi was the heart beat of that Barca side. Then we had the skill, dribbling and passing of Iniesta. A master at manipulating small spaces, Busquets who is invisible in matches, but the moment he is injured you just know something is missing in the team, nerves of steel. Messi was awesome but these players were key in our dominance.
And to lend credence to what Godx is saying, Guardiola has never had a midfield as good as this. Never and he may never. Of course, Messi is the cherry on top.
Also remember the number of finals Iniesta has been man of the match for us. Especially that lovely 2015 UCL

tesppidd:
What do you mean by "the midfield"?

Or are you guys telling us that a team of 11 players played football but only Xavi and Iniesta won the world cup?

You mean Xavi and Iniesta won the world cup and the euros?

Not David Villa?
Not Fernando Torres?
Not Carlos Puyol?
Not Gerald Pique?
Not Sergio Ramos?
Not the GOAT goalkeeper at the time Iker Casillas?

Wao!

The dude has no point! Even if he was working decimals all day, he'd still have no point.

Before the ascent and after the descent of Xavi and Iniesta, what has Spain won in World football? What has Spain even done in World football? You know that Alonso, Casillas were in the national team before Xavi and Iniesta. Ramos too. And what did that Spain side win. Then 2008 things started changing and improving due to the influence of the Barca players spearheaded by Xavi and Iniesta. And by 2010, they won the world cup and to lay emphasis on their supremacy they won the Euros in 2012. Without Messi.
No one is downplaying Messi's. But Guardiola was extremely privileged to have Xavi, Iniesta and Messi when he had them.

Godx:
This is about Pep's Barca not Enrique. Enrique Barca was built on our Amazing front 3 not Midfield.

The front three had Messi fyi

Godx:
Bro you still haven't said anything we don't know before. Pep Barca was built on Midfield domination. That trio was the essence of Barca domination under Pep especially Xavi which even Spain benefitted from. Messi was just the cherry on top,the finishing touch. Like I said before Messi performance for Argentina and Barca during Pep era proves it.

Well you have point, because the midfield without Messi won the world cup and two Euros. And Messi without that midfield hasn't won an international trophy. Even though these were awesome players.
But I still think that Messi was instrumental in taking that midfield to the next level of excellence. If you watched some of Spain's matches in that 2010 and many of Guardiola's matches without Messi, some resolute teams have proven extremely difficult to break down. From Madrid, Athletico Madrid for Guardiola to Germany, Netherlands etc for Spain.
But I still think that Guardiola is known today, not because of his work with the best midfielders in the last 10 years but because of his work with the best player ever

FirstbornWds:
Bros. There's no gain proving what's not right.

Aside from the being the tactical genius and having a midfield trio that could press, who was responsible for scoring most of the goals, providing assists, splitting the defenses with dribbles that would cause even the defenders to commit frustrating fouls?

Messi or who?

Need I tell you that our most embarrassing moment in the Cl then to Bayern was basically because Messi was not fit.

The same goes for Jose's Inter Milan Semi-final against us. The cage was against Messi primarily.

I can go on to mention lots of matches that it took the exceptional brilliance of Messi to break through!

It was also during this period that he won the Ballon D'or back-back, with the likes of Iniesta and Xavi coming behind.


Mind you, I'm not downplaying the trio's contribution ( + Dani Alves too) to Pep best days... But placing Messi behind them is way not acceptable. Even Guardiola will rubbish that claim.


It's like not recognizing that it is what he wants to create out of Sterling even when it's obvious that KDB is the craftmaker at City.

Maybe he is looking at it from the perspective that we lost our dominance of European football when Xavi and Iniesta left the club. Even though we still had Messi, we weren't such a force to be reckoned after Xavi left then Iniesta did

Godx:
The midfield trio was the crown of Pep Barca not Messi.

What of Enrique? He won UCL and the midfield was without Xavi...

TLona1:


We are Barca, we do not want just the UCL but the Sextuple.

How many coaches in history have done that? Just one and you his name.

After that how many times has he done it? Any way you look at it, Messi is the crown of Guardiola. Even Valverde has reached UCL semis.

tasland:
the name of this effect please

Favourite or Favorito

TLona1:
Abeg abeg.

Pep should also be given credits.

For not winning UCL? Or for what? You know Flick even broke his record of consecutive wins in Bundesliga? Guardiola is good but Messi was awesome for him

My gcam surprised for this shot.
Simple thing I did, just tap the brightest part of the frame. And then capture. Then Google photos editor and Snapseed did the rest

Godisgreatest1:
Hello, please I have the following questions:
(1) What's the best 'average cost' Android phone that plays PSP games I can get for my son?..not too expensive please. My budget is 25k to 30K. Let me just buy it so I can stop sneaking into the house.
(2)What will I do with the settings to let him access or play the games with the phone?
(3) I once bought him a PSP, although it was very good but after some time I stopped seeing it with him, he also has no idea what happened to it. Will the phone play same games like the PSP?.
(4) I keep seeing ppsspp in this section, please what does it mean?
(5) should I buy him another PSP or go for an android phone?
Thank you.

If you want to buy it for primarily gaming, then the phone will fall short. As powerful as phones are, nothing beats a gadget made for gaming. PSP games run better on PSP. And they are more enjoyable. If he lost his old PSP then buy a gaming unit that he can't move up and down and you can carry into your room when he gets distracted. So if you can get a PS 3 that would be great. There are numerous titles and you can get some disks for cheaper prices on this nairaland. Or you can buy another PSP and if he loses it that's the end for him

GrammarNazi1:
After Puig dribbled Partey, the commentator said, "Look at the change of feet, the change of balance."

We are wasting a HUGE talent.

And Puig is a baller. No one gave me joy to watch after the restart like Puig

[quote author=haymekus post=94664018]Y’all crying over physicality and athleticism should this

A video of Arsenal’s new signing getting pocketed and spun around by Riqui Puig.pic.twitter.com/oPuRkm3Lat

— Sat 🫟 (@Satyire) October 5, 2020

is of Messi tackling and being physical, winning the ball and pressing. You can't say physicality has no place in football. Prime Barca under Pep were physical when they needed to be. But they relied on their superior techniques to win

https://twitter.com/CrewsMat19/status/1313536895826169856?s=19

GrammarNazi1:
And did Real Madrid not have that mixture, too?

Who could you compare to Xavi in that team? Xavi convers so much ground and is an exquisite passer. The team had no response to Xavis hardwork, pressing and passing.

GrammarNazi1:
Thank you very much for this.

Some people now mistake an ultra defensive gameplan for a highly physical one.

Perhaps, a level of physicality is needed to achieve a defensive gameplan, but to say that teams are now shifting towards athleticism and physicality! Teams have always been like that.

When Barcelona bossed teams for a considerable period of time, did some people not bring up the foolish excuse that Stoke City would beat us?

Barca were physical too. Very physical but that wasn't the attribute the team relied on. Oya in your life as a Barca fan, Messi that season was their anyone who could push him off the ball? Messi o. Let's not talk of Puyol, or Dani Alves that came later and others?

GrammarNazi1:
Yet, Real Madrid were too poor in the league.

Also, in that decade Barcelona won more trophies than Real Madrid did.

Because we were a mixture of physicality and technical abilities

mikezuruki:
30k

Terrorist

joviegghead:
The Barça of 2015 wasn't as powerful as 2010/2011.
The power of 2015 Barça was the MSN trio,the best trio ever. The friendship and cooperation of Messi, Neymar and Suarez was just insane. Iniesta, Alba and Rakitic helped

But the power of 2010/2011 or Guardiola's Barça was the whole team + Tiki Taka(beautiful football at Its peak). That was the Barça that will have over 70% ball possession whether home or away. That same Barça had the highest number of pass. They would pass around the opponent into the net. They made life miserable for teams. it got to a point that football fans sometimes complained of their overwhelming dominance.

I'm still yet to see a team as dominant as that team.

As dominating as that Barca was, they didn't win UCL back to back, Madrid has. With a team of serious physicality... So I don't know how you want to push this agenda. And it's not like that 2011 Barca was that weak, Xavi covered so much ground per game that's peak of physical fitness, Dani Alves ran like a high octane engine. Puyol was extremely physical and strong. Messi was damn strong too. No matter how much you tried, you couldn't push him off the ball unless he was fouled. Eto was strong and fast. Eto was very physical sef. Busquets was very intelligent but was also physical. He was strong in the air and could win tackles while screening the defence.

Baddestguyp:
Depay is a player fit for small teams...he doesn't seem like he can perform at big clubs

Depay or Greizman, pick one Mtchw

As Depay isn't coming to Barca again(according to Fabrizio) can the agenda that Koeman is nepotistic end?

joviegghead:
Against prime Barça?

Do you know what you're saying. Prime Barça was the best team in the world(across all sports). Prime barca was the sextuple Barça. The Barça that all teams ,physical or not, always received thrashing from. That Barça was UNPLAYABLE. However all empires that rise must fall.

as at the 7-1 thrashing and the La Liga crown loss, Barça was at a low those period. The world knew.

Barca of 2015 was also very powerful. And Guardiola also coached Barca to UCL triumph in 2010/2011 and those were prime Barca sides. With Xavi and Iniesta and co at the peak of their powers

GrammarNazi1:
And how many Premiership titles have Liverpool won since Klopp started coaching them in 2015?

At a point in the past, it was Barcelona players were too short. Now, it is they are not physical enough.

Did you forget that before the short Xavi and Iniesta played and dazzled the world, people still believed that if you were as short as Xavi or Iniesta, you could never be great?

Is this not the reason a player like Puig will never be trusted by some coaches?

That Barca side soon lost dominance when more physical sides met them. Remember 7 - 1 to Bayern? Or loss to Chelsea in 2012 or the loss to Inter in 2010? Or how Mourinho found a way to win La Liga at our detriment? Or Athletico Madrid knocking us out in UCL and going on to win La Liga in the same season. All these were physical sides. And this was against prime Barca in the past decade.
Physicality is always crucial in football

tesppidd:
There would be interests.
Just like Man U are, now.

that's a confused club abeg