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Maximus69:
Well you're entitled to your own opinion Sir, but i'm telling you now that there is a group that's practicing exactly what Jesus taught back then and we are enjoying the benefits of pure worship today!

You're welcome!

That is what every denomination claim.

Maximus69:
So as i said earlier Jesus was a Jewish teacher, and you confirmed that his teachings will make the earth a Paradise if properly applied. But it's a pity that you've misapplied everything my friend!

Of course we can't see God so how can we love him?

Well we need to know the concept behind of the Supreme Being (God). So to love God and one's neighbour means having strong liken for oneness in thought, this includes looking for ways to carrying everyone around you along in ideas that will benefit all in your neighbourhood not by force but compelling them in a calm way to reason with you!

Will you like to know how Jesus did these?

I know that already but that practice has long gone into extinction. What we have now is NGOs not Christianity.

Thanks

Csonice1:
Pls sir can you explain what you mean mean by ".can support life..."

It's very important for us to have a clearer explanation for that before we proceed.

Scientists have discovered many earth like planets that support life. In astronomy, the ecosystem of any star is the region within the star's solar system that is not too hot or cold. Any rocky and water containing planet which is in the ecosystem of a star can support life. The earth is habitable because it is exactly at the ecosystem of its star which is the sun. There is no life in mercury, venus, Mars, jupiter, saturn and other planets that revolve round their star which is the sun. This is because they are either too hot or too cold to support life. Mercury and venus are very hot because they are closer to the sun while Mars and others are too cold because they are farther away from the sun.

Other stars which are over trillions of stars out there in our universe have their own planets revolving round each of them. Billions of planets found themselves in the ecosystems of their respective stars. The probability of having human like beings in such earth like planets is very high. The earth like planets are not just one, two or three but billions of them in the Universe.

Maximus69:
The two bolded are a matter of serious concern though but if you truly want us to discuss on that i'll be obliged to do so.

The founder of Christianity was a first century young Jewish carpenter who suddenly became a religious teacher back then.

Most people love to be in his company but there were people who felt he is getting too much attention, due to their own position as renown religious leaders and teachers of his time they became jealous and this led to the death of the young Nazarene.

But what are the things he taught back then, and who are those practicing it today?

I think that's what brought about you question

Are people still practicing Christianity today?

Well the answer to this question may shock you, but let me assure you that there are over 41,000 different religions claiming Christians today, each having it's doctrines and moral standards, but there is just one single Christian group!

I'm one of them!

Would you like to discuss the features of true Christianity so as to know if truthfully Christianity is being practiced today?

Yes.

I have read almost all chapters of the Bible, Torah, Koran, Satanic Bible and many religions, fictional, scientific, superstitious, magical books.
Let me deviate a little bit because I initially don't want the discussion of religious books.

From what I know from the New testament Bible, Jesus the subject of Christianity desires only 2 things. One is love for 'God' the other is love for 'man'.

In reality, we can't love God because you can't love someone you can't see nor someone that is not in need of your help. Jesus even said that what so ever you do to the least of my brothers that you do for him. And it was also written that the religion 'God' recognizes is the one that takes care of the poor and widows.

Where is the love in the world. The racism you earlier mentioned are still practiced by the so called Christians. How many Christians today can sell all their properties and donate to the poor as Jesus asked a rich man to do. Thus, in the early church, Christians sold all their stuff, gave the money to the apostles, and the apostles redistributed the money so that everyone’s needs were met. Those who previously lived in palaces got a normal house and those who previously were homeless got a normal house. There was equality and economic community, just as Jesus had been sharing money with HIs disciples (John 13:29).

This is the feature of Christianity I am interested in which the founder emphasized on but which has gone into extinction.

Brunicekid:
The body is actually at rest during sleep. Does your body does any work in sleep?

Why do you feel hungry and eat when you wake up in the morning even after having a heavy supper or night food? What happened to the food you ate in the night? If your body did no work while you slept, where did the food go to?

Maximus69:
@bolded

You believe religionists are deluded (mentally unbalanced or indoctrinated)

So do you think there has ever been a time when freethinkers are more than religionist?

Or do you quantify religionists as part of the so called sane?

How do you distinguish between the sane and insane, as numbers of homosexuals lesbians and bestialists is on the increase and they are clamoring for equal rights in the human society?

Would you say gays or lesbians supposed not be respected as normal (sane) citizens?

What about having a lesbian or gay as the Governor, Senator or President?

I don't think homosexuality and lesbianism increased. It is just that people are becoming more truthful and open about themselves. In the past most gays and lesbians hide their orientation. Some still hide in the closet today especially among those who claim to be homophobic.

Gays and lesbians should be respected. What two consenting adults do in their private should not be anyones problem as far as they are not using it to disturb the public.

The work of a Governor or President is to provide basic amenities, ensure security of lives and property, provide Jobs etc. A gay or lesbian governor or president who can do these is a good leader.

Humanly and life friendly Religions especially Christianity is a good thing to the world. If Christianity can be practiced exactly as the the founder made it, I think the world would be a better place.

Many Christians today are hypocrites.
Someone would hand over his child to a pastor or a 'born again' only for the child to be sexually abused. In Nigeria everyone claims to be very religious, yet evil is out of control. Our Christian governors are still corrupt and wicked just like their Muslim counterparts. No body can be trusted today.

So are people still practicing Christianity today especially in Nigeria?
If yes, where are they?
Cos all I see are hypocrites and fanatics?

Maximus69:
So if we both agreed that parents have a lot to do in the upbringing of their children who are the next generation and these so called parents have different opinions, how do we go about a sane society that is well organized and orderly?

Or should we just expect the human society to evolve into some perfect condition all by itself?

Normally when things get out of hand, the society would regret their actions and unite to bring or enforce sanity back to their society. That is part of the evolutionary process.

Moreover, everyone can't be crazy at the same time. There would always be more sane people than the mentally sick.

Mizwisdom:
So how is it that certain people dream and it occurs in real life afterwards?

That is coincidence just like majority of the dreams don't come true.

Maximus69:
I love the underlined so much that i can't imagine a sane individual say anything that's contrary to that, yet we now have this abnormal sexual urge growing fast in people.

The bolded is where i disagree with you Sir because most people love adventures and since they have the right to choose whatever they will do with their lives, it becomes difficult to change their minds on what they've already decided upon.

Lesbianism, homosexualism and bestiality are sexual desires that has been in existence for ages and it's not as a result of hardship, poverty, trauma or bad experience. We are free agents so each person can decide to do whatever pleases him or her so far there is no agreement on a single line of thought regarding how we must live!

Our mentality navigates towards the result of our sense of sight, hearing and touch! So as long as we can see, hear and feel touches there is no way our brains will not be drawn to what results from those things.

Back to the issue of child upbringing. If you taught your child something and Mr A taught his child another, Mr B also taught his child yet another, these three children will surely meet either in school, recreation centers, workplace or grow up to live as neighbours in the same environment and thus become friends. They will certainly share thoughts and opinions, each person will definitely reflect the idea of his own parent which of course totally differs. By the end of the day, this grown-ups will discover that each of you (parents) have managed to infuse/inculcate/impose your personal opinion on your own child, hence each of them will now decide to develop his/her own idea!
You are a human not some kind of superhuman and you've proved to your own child that you're intelligent from your own point of view, every other parent will do exactly the same but with different lifestyles, thoughts and opinions, by the end your children who are the up coming generation feeling there should be fresh ideas will surely develop their own.
That is exactly the problem we are having in the world today!

I agree with you to some extent. However, our choices in life highly depends on who and what influenced us.

Example, some strict religious parents send their boys to all boys boarding schools. Some of the boys end up having gay tendencies. In strict Islamic religious societies, there is high rate of homosexualism because of the strict laws against male and female interactions. 'Dan daudu' was imported to Northern Nigeria not by hausa nor fulani culture but by Islam.

The Catholic church suffered series of same sex scandals all over the world.

Poverty also push a lot of people to prostitution including boys who sleep with men for money. And girls who sleep with rich women. I don't know if Bobrisky for instance is actually gay or just using that to be popular. If he is actually, gay that means it was because of money and popularity. Many young boys now see him as role models and are negatively influenced by him. Such negative influence make them to have a distorted sexual orientation.

Some lesbians were girls who suffered sexual abuses. A girl may hate men if she was violated. Some girls were initiated to the act by their fellow women whose sexual orientations have already been distorted.

The TV and internet with all sorts of porn, music, weird news, literature, celebrity lifestyles etc influence a lot of young people to make wrong choices.

Parents should be close to their children and make sure they regulate what their children are exposed to.

You are a Christian may be because your parents are Christians or you had an encounter with Christians. One can't just wake up and choose to be this or that. Something or someone must have influenced the person.

Only 750,000

The monkey must have a BSc in Pure and Industrial Kidnapism from Oko and acquired his masters degree in kidnapping from Niger delta. Then obtained his PhD in Kaduna.

Swolf:
With your 1 point, we should throw out our clothes as well

This your comment has destroyed the guy's post. This one na upper cut.

Praylove:
My heart bleeds for you, I can only but hope and pray that your eyes be open to the light... Jesus loves you and it's never too late to make that decision to come to your maker... Kindly consider these scriptures.John 17:17, Romans 5:8-9... ( I hope you know the story of Saul now Paul) also remember the story of the rich man in hell begging for just a drop of water, he cried that they should help him warn his family members so that they do not come to hell...do you know his response: " they have ears, let them hear" tomorrow maybe too late for you my dear...Ah, I pray for you that you will not miss heaven ... May your eyes be open in Jesus name, Amen... Shalom

Pray for the victims of Covid-19 that they all would be healed. Pray that Covid-19 disappear now. Pray that Nigeria be better this year. All these prayers here and there without results. I challenge you to prove your faith and stop quoting what you don't know.

Maximus69:
You're not getting my point here.

I'm talking about adults who wants to live as gays, lesbians, bestialists, transgenders and crossdressers!

What happens if your own son or daughter chooses to be one of them?

I would give my children normal training that would help their full mental development. People become gays and lesbians because of abnormal and over religious training.

Hardship, poverty, trauma, bad experiences are also causes of abnormal sexual preferences.

Homosexuality, lesbianism etc have to do with mental issues. Just like we have paranoia, neurosis etc. They need our love and care and not judging and victimising them. Except in the case of pedophilia and rape which are crimes.

Maximus69:
So based on our discussion so far, it's needless trying to convince people on what to do with their lives since we are gradually evolving towards perfection!

But what about the increase of habits like bestialism, homosexualism, lesbianism, transgenders and crossdressers in our society?

Will all these traits also develop to a perfect condition?

Would you be patient with your grown up son who chooses to be gay or daughter who that wants to marry her lesbian mate?

Those things have been there in the past. Those days it was worse. Men raped boys and men. Even animals were not spared. But there are strict laws now against such violent sexual acts. The modern world can only accept sex between humans who are from 18 years and older and there must be consent. In the past pedophilia and child marriage were not frowned at. Though many Muslims still practice that today as normal thing. That is one of the ways religion is dragging people behind.

Homosexuality, lesbianism etc have to do with mental issues. Just like we have paranoia, neurosis etc. They need our love and care and not judging and victimising them. Though in the case of pedophilia and rape, it is a crime in modern world.

I would give my children normal training that would help their full mental development. People become gay and lesbians because of abnormal and over religious training.

Mizwisdom:
Why do you have them when your body, including your brain is supposed to be at rest during sleep

The body can never be at rest when you sleep. The body rests only in death.

While you sleep, your heart beats, your blood flows, all your organs are very busy working and repairing themselves including your brain.

During sleep, dream helps you store important memories and things you've learned, get rid of unimportant memories, and sort through complicated thoughts and feelings. Research shows that sleep helps store memories.

Mizwisdom:
Dreams, what's that all about?

Dreams are series of thoughts, images, and sensations occurring in a person's mind during sleep

Csonice1:
The question is not whether God cares about us (He does). The question is do we care about God?. Do we even trust Him enough to take Him at His Word?
Do we obey Him and not grieve him as a "prodigal son" does?
Do we obey His Word even when things are perfect: people disobey Him every minute but point accusing fingers when they enter into problems..
Is that how love works?
seems you're offline..Be ready: I will engage you in a conversation about evolution and the peculiar planet Earth sometime tomorrow .

OK. Also explain the essence of over billions of galaxies in the universe with each having billions of stars and with each star having at least a planet. Sun which is our own star has about 10 planets with earth in the sun's ecosystem. All other billions of stars have their ecosystems too. Billions of various planets in the ecosystems of their respective stars can support life and chances that there are billions of planets previously or currently inhabited by human like beings is very high.

And why did no religion in the world knew about all these until modern scientists discovered them with powerful telescopes. Could it be that 'God doesn't want us to know anything beyond this planet earth apart from heaven and hell.

budaatum:
That's not quite true actually. Not all humans have well developed brains, obviously.


See. Not all brains are obviously well developed. Some, like your's, for instance, wait to be developed, while some have been out there developing our own brains and minds for ages. Even if you have too, we can not all have developed equally.


You mean "corrupt, wicked, evil, superstitious, hypocritical, intolerant, barbaric and some Africans still eat their fellow humans" like you do, as a result of your "poor mental development"?

Below is a list of what might not seem like "poor mental development animals of low IQ monkeys and baboons behaviour" to you.










So, educate and evolve then, instead of lamenting about those who are. You are after all not uniting nor loving nor sincere nor educating with your thread of division. Or are you?

As a lower animal, relax and learn. Intelligent people are commenting here. This is a good opportunity for you to learn new things and change your animalistic tendencies.

Csonice1:
Ok. I'll answer your question now. Just give me some time to type..

Also explain the below

There are many religions in the world all claiming supremacy and authentic.

There are many Pastors claiming to be called by 'God' making a lot of money from followers and yet can't heal their sick followers.

Many Muslims obeying the instructions from 'God' to kill those who don't believe

Coronavirus shutting down religious worship all around the world yet the religious are waiting for scientists to provide a solution. Where is 'God?

If' God' actually care about how we live our lives don't you think he would at least visited everyone in his/her dream and tell us the only true religion and the real essence of our existence. This would have enabled us all to have only one believe instead of all the religious confusions in the world.

Why did many generations (millions of years of life on earth according to confirmed scientific data) pass before all the religions we have today emerged.

Since you based your proof on the fact that nothing comes out of nothing. Man made computers, wrist watches, houses, cars etc. Now how did our Creator come out? Who made him?

@ Csonice1

Let me assume and agree with you that an intelligent and Supernatural being created us.
Where is the Creator. Don't you think he may have abandoned us to our fate.

Many religions here and there all claiming supremacy and authentic.

Many Pastors claiming to be called by 'God' making a lot of money from followers and yet can't heal their sick followers.

Many Muslims obeying the instructions by 'God' to kill those who don't believe

Smhaykins:
There is a house in my area, anybody that rents apartment der must sell everything before packing out....may be you should come and rent one of d apartments... Then you will understand spirituality.

Most of those stories are superstitious and if you go deeply to investigate, you may see that the true cause is natural. Tell me the one that happened to you and leave people with their assumptions.

Csonice1:
In as much as I would never have answered you... Considering the fact that my basis for truth is the Bible which you term "religious books": but to help you according to the understanding given.. that you might be saved=I will leave you with something to ponder on:

I have a task for you : explain life : what makes you you?
*is it your body?
�When you lose one or more parts of it you are still you even in old age.�

*Is it your brain ?
your brain and data(memories and mentality: knowledge resident in the intellect) at age 3 is hardly the same at 90 but you are the same person.

It goes on and on and on.
without religion. It won't work. I guess you know within you that there is something more.. something supernatural that you don't know about.

How did you come about?
Evolution? Ridiculous!
Big bang?
Even the dumbest scientist knows better.

Go to an "uninhabited" place on Earth:
If you see
1.footprints
2.bones
3.spoons and utensils
4.rolex watch
5.a smart phone.
6.bed and a pillow
What will come to your mind?
"Someone is -or at least was -here"
Which of these items created themselves?

Do you know that you are more than a computer? Your DNA molecules were wisely programmed and wired with such an awesome wisdom that even baffles scientists.
Can there be a program without a programmer?
That you are here on Earth even defies common sense and science. Have you thought about the peculiar planet earth?

You are making Sense especially the DNA part.

budaatum:
Ignorant stupid lazy fuqs who don't have the ability to seek for evidence with their own eyes go about seeking "proofs from religious people".

The hard working non lazy people diligently seek for proof with their own senses because they have [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%209:5-7&version=KJ21]washed in the Pool of Siloam[/url] and learnt how to use them.

I want genuinely religious and reasonable people who can convert me not animals and hypocrites.

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmm

What proof is there that UNITY, LOVE and SINCERITY will result from all these?

Because mankind has this tremendous progress in technology but Unity, Love and Sincerity as you earlier asserted will result from this evolution thing, on the contrary is fast disappearing in our society!

See how people all around the world are helping one another. Doctors sacrificing their lives to save others. People donating equipments, money, foodstuffs here and there.

Amotekun without the essential materials is AMU na OTU EKE

Maximus69:
So in a nutshell mankind should relax while all these goodies happen naturally!

We have no choice. This life obeys natural selection. If Covid-19 for instance was lethal enough to wipe out man on earth, we may go into extinction and the rest of other animals take over the world. But due to the fact that humans are advanced in technology, it would be hard for anything in this world to bring man into extinction. Even in the future, man may find a way to bring back dead person to life. Some companies in Russia and US are already running services of freezing human brains till that time comes when man discovers how to bring back life.

Maximus69:
@ the underlined.

Can you point to any human Society where this evolution theory has been working at least to some extent to prove that it's true?
As in
UNITY
LOVE
SINCERITY!

The rate of wars is reducing as time progresses. Mankind did a lot of evil in the past compared to today. Racism was also worse in the past.

Evolution takes many years before one will notice significant changes. But with technology, proper records would be kept and in millions of years to come, people that would be around that time can then compare our pictures with theirs.
They would see jaw dropping changes.

We can even notice some things that look like evolution of new species in our time. Example in medicine, bacteria are becoming resistant to antibiotics. Also, viruses do mutate and render any immunization done against them useless.

Maximus69:
Hmmmmmmmm

I've met atheists in many cases but they're not used to keeping their words, yet i will give you the benefit of doubt!

OK.

So how do you feel about the condition we found ourselves in this world that is filled with Racism?

Do you think it's possible for mankind to experience LOVE, JOY and PEACE within the human race?

We do watch animal documentaries on TV, and we can see how difficult it is for them to coexist because some are herbivores while others are carnivores.
But humans can survive without eating one another and we can communicate through speech and expression so is it possible for us to live together in peace as a global family?
How do you welcome such development?

Humans have a well developed brain than other animals. The only thing that differentiates us from other animals is our brain.

And the more our brain is developed, the more we can communicate effectively, the more we can live in peace, the more we understand life. You can see that some of us even in Nairaland here still behave like animals example DontBeStupid, budaatum and Nephilim. They have low IQ that is why they are behaving like monkeys and baboons.

Also check our African live styles with that of developed countries, you would see that we are more corrupt, wicked, evil, superstitious, hypocritical, intolerant, barbaric and some Africans still eat their fellow humans. These are as a result of poor mental development.

With education and as evolution of mankind goes on humans would be more united, more loving and more sincere.

LiveLifeHub:
I have seen both Physically when I was a student in secondary school and on media where a soldier shot bullets into his mouth and brought them out again.

I would have believed you if you were the one that shut him with your own correct gun. There are toy guns that sound just like real guns but are not harmful. If there was anything like a soldier being immune to gun shuts, the government would have employed them to fight and defeat boko haram. But BH still kill Nigerian soldiers like mosquitoes.

LiveLifeHub:
A proof of supernatural force (note am not talking about God - A Supernatural being), but want to prove beyond science, sighting what I have seen and experienced which probably you might have seen too.

Have you seen where people are being shot with gun and the bullet won't penetrate their bare body. or a person whose body no sharp metal like cutlass and knife could cut? This people became such after they did some spiritual ritual (charm).

I have heard but have not seen.

Maximus69:
I am a Christian and i can prove the existence of my own God without quoting any book!

What are your rules?

Will you stick to your own rules by not quoting any scriptures?

Yes I will stick to the rules