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It's Fathers Day in the USA (june 19)


[size=16pt]Happy Fathers Day to all the men, the daddies, granddads and greatgrandpas![/size]


Did you call (or say a prayer for) your dad today? 

Mine called me.  How embarrassing.  I called him yesterday, and I was going to call him later today - you now, time difference and all that.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=675773.msg8545566#msg8545566 date=1308436243]Momodu Lamuye

In 1863, he had to deal with a revolt in his domain led by the Balogun, Alli who was a powerful leader prior to the coronation of Lamuye.[/quote]Thanks, AljHarem.

But I wanted to know more about the Balogun (Alli ?) that rebelled against him.  I think the above was in the original post.  I'll look for info online when I'm able. 

naijababe:
Well, all i know about tribal marking is based on oral tradition, so can't provide you with any source or link as is customary. Will post tomorrow

I feel like I am procrastinating.  So why not deflect attention to someone else? 

Kilode is all fired uuuuuppp!  I'm getting the hell out of Dodge! 

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-690632.160.html#msg8532462


 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM3O5ICgXr8

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=690632.msg8527212#msg8527212 date=1308183979]Not at your own warriors though, you have to deal with traitors yes, but do not leave your flanks vulnerable soldier.[/quote]Gotcha.

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=690632.msg8526993#msg8526993 date=1308179527]O ti pari. It's all over, we've ended it.

Idobale and explanation has been offered and accepted.

SW moves on towards development, we have a lot of work to do.[/quote]Sorry to break it to you, Peacemaker.  It's not over until someone pulls out a sword.  

Eko Ile:
Unfortunately for you, Fashola is not in this thread so you remain the only dishonest troll in here.

Fine.  I and most NLers will continue to laugh at your posts.  You are not earning your keep.  Even unpaid posters are doing a better job than you.

When you remember what part of Lagos your people are from, please answer.

Eko Ile:
What are you going on about? At least I commend you for your dishonest for defending dishonest people.

Did you just call Fashola dishonest?   
You really don't deserve your paycheck from Tinubu.  You're doing a lousy job.

Anyway, I don't want to talk about him anymore.

Let's talk about you.  How old are you? What part of "Eko Ile" are you from?  I don't believe you're really from Lagos at all.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=690632.msg8526222#msg8526222 date=1308169968]now, did fashola expressly say he wants to run for president or are people "receiving" that vision for him.

i'd like to believe his options arent limited to running for president and there are also better choices available which would enable him to utilize his organizational and leadership talent.[/quote]Just mentioning the Governor of my state, that's all.  Drop your governor's name in the hat, if he's worthy.  Anyway, you're invited, Tpia.  Just don't bring Dayokanu. 

[quote author=Kilode?! link=topic=690632.msg8526190#msg8526190 date=1308169566]I'm in. With conditions. [/quote] I'm going to need a very good representative, a brilliant negotiator.  I nominate. . . 

Eko Ile:
But how and when it started means nothing to you? Nigerians and their dishonest national character smells so odious sometimes.

@ least, you honest about your bias unlike some people.

I don't love "Tinubu."  Sue me! 

That's it from me on this subject.

The real war didn't start until Omatseye's hatchet job, for which he still hasn't paid the full price.

What's relevant is, what will be the look of the party post-Tinubu?

How many will attend a Fashola for President/2015 fundraiser in SE USA? That's one of my concerns. Drop the names of other viable candidates.

Not relevant at this point. It needs to end.

It's too distracting.

The past week and a half has been all "Omatseye/Tinubu/Awolowo heirs" all the time.

dayokanu:
The making of a B@5stard (1)

http://tribune.com.ng/index.php/opinion/23232-the-making-of-a-naughty.

The title is unacceptable.  I am now reading the piece and its follow-up (Bstd v.2).  Obviously it is a pointed attack to refute the allegations made by Omatseye, and the writer in turn utilised a somewhat similar tactic, that is, a take no prisoner approach, as he did in his inflammatory and derogatory piece.

I look forward to the end of the back and forth between the parties.

naijababe:
Why did Tinubu feel that he had to respond to a discredited newspaper? As far as I am concerned, silence truly can be golden. I am not exonerating Mama HID or Oluwole Awolowo.

Chief Obafemi Awolowo remains an icon to us all and will remain so for some years to come. Anything reference to him or his name will always generate reactions. The only thing this article acheived  polarisation of the Yorubas and Tinubu certainly should know he cannot afford that.

You don't need Tinubu.  You just think you do.  Continuing to support a man such as this will only hurt in the long run.  Throwing around his ill-gotten wealth has gotten him far enough.  The support he has is not as strong or as numerous as outsiders would have us believe.  It's a myth, a PR job, a "popularity" buttressed by paid goons, on the ground and on the interweb, unfortunately.  

P.S. My fairness is very much intact, as always.  There is nothing in the Tribune article that is untrue.  Nothing in it that most Lagos indigenes didn't already know.

". . . he had claimed in the INEC Form CF001 that he attended St. Paul’s Primary School, Aroloya, Lagos. But the truth is that there is no primary school with such name in that area. There is a St. John’s Primary School on that street but certainly not St. Paul’s Primary School. There is none and there has never been any."

I had to laugh at this.  At age 5-6, I attended the primary school in question - St. Johns Aroloya.  I may not have been mature enough to know my mother's maiden name or to remember my home address, but all of us students knew the name of our school, and the huge church next to it.  And you never ever forget it.

naijababe:
DK

This is the Tribune we are talking about here! Any self respecting person know not to read that paper, let alone take whatever crap they write seriously.  That Tinubu felt that he had to respond is not what I have a problem with, it is his response. Omatseye did not do Tinubu any favours by what he wrote.

The paper may not always have upheld its former glory, but I thought the piece (linked on page 1) on Tinubu's ineligibility to be Asiwaju of Yorubaland was excellent.  Other than calling Tinubu a "felon" (don't you have to be convicted of a felony to EARN that title?) the entire thing was on-point!

[Quote] Asiwaju of Yorubaland not for felons
Let’s take a look at the felon whose greatest ambition is to succeed Awolowo as Asiwaju of Yorubaland.
http://www.tribune.com.ng/sun/index.php/borderless/4102-asiwaju-of-yorubaland-not-for-felons[/quote]As someone said a few days ago, the mode to which his power will diminish is in his own hands.  He went too far, and this is the beginning of the end.  Thankfully, Lagos and the SW will be better for it.  

Sacking Omatseye proves nothing.  Since there is no honour among thieves, the writer/errand boy was always going to be sacrificed when the heat became unbearable for the puppet-master.  

DK, you better step away from the computer.  You're outta your mind with the name-calling.    Don't talk to me; face naiajababe.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=675773.msg8406634#msg8406634 date=1306529663][size=15pt]Momodu Ayinla Lamuye the most zealous muslim yoruba king (oba)[/size]

Momodu Ayinla Lamuye was a titled Nigerian traditional ruler who held the office of Oluwo of Iwo. He is considered one of the most zealous Muslim Obas in Yoruba land during the nineteenth century and used his office to consolidate the religion in his domain.

. . . In 1863, he had to deal with a revolt in his domain led by the [size=14pt]Balogun Alli[/size] who was a powerful leader prior to the coronation of Lamuye. He succeeded in containing the revolt by recruiting loyalist troops to quell the rebellion and contacting Bashorun Ogunmola to allow Alli to remain in exile in Ibadan.[/quote]Thanks, AljHarem.  Would love to know more about the rebellious Balogun.

Katsumoto:
Benin history is well documented. Benin historians have the names of all Ogisos. The interregnum between the last Ogiso (Owodo) and the first Oba (Eweka) fits in well with the missing Prince Ekaladerhan.

From the above, it is clear that the tradition with most monarchies, Bini included, was to have the the throne pass directly from king/queen to immediate offspring, but Eko/Lagos has this revolving kingship that has created so much confusion at time of succession, and I personally am intrigued by it.  For example, wasn't there a prolonged lawsuit challenging Oyekan's right to succeed at the time he did, and even with this current Oba, there is a challenge to his ascention to the throne.  I know the Akinsemoyin descendants are fit to be tied.  But that may be a topic for another thread. 

The fact that the Binis couldn't put a king on the throne because their prince was missing is what caught my eye in your post.

Most West African tribes didn't start travelling until well into the 15th century. Bini started their period of conquest with Ewuare and Ozolua in the 15th century. Benin went as far as Lagos but cleverly avoided Yoruba inter-land which was mirred in internecine wars. The point I am making is that inter-tribal wars didn't really exist before Oduduwa.

Wasn't the wars that preoccupied and displaced the Yorubas since the 18th century indirectly related to the slave trade and European efforts at colonisation?

We've touched on some of these in the past.  I am full of curiosity right now.  Since I don't know enough to address them,   Can someone with some knowledge start a discussion on one or more of the following:

1) Iwofa vs Eru;

2) Yoruba tribal markings - source, requirements, evolution and disappearance of it; the arm "tattoo" you see on arms of some older Yoruba women; Ara Ekos' absence of facial tribal marks; etc.


There's a few replies owed by me.  I will address them (More Barrister lyrics, Igbo Olodumare, Kilode's Oduduwa post) later.

Kilode, I have something on the above but can't post it till later. 

Meanwhile, here's Stephanie Mills' best song ever.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnKQN7TF4hQ

Rumi to start off the day

Rumi - Ghazal 464

Now comes the final merging,
Now comes everlasting beauty.
Now comes abundant grace,
Now comes boundless purity.

The infinite treasure is shining,
The mighty ocean is roaring,
The morning of grace has come -
Morning? - No!
This is the eternal Light of God!

Who occupies this beautiful form?
Who is the ruler and the prince?
Who is the wise man? -
Nothing but a veil.

The wine of love removes these veils.
Drink with your head and your eyes -
Both your eyes,
and both your heads!

Your head of clay is from the earth,
Your pure awareness is from heaven.
O how vast is that treasure
which lies beneath the clay!
Every head you see depends on it!

Behind every atom of this world
hides an infinite universe.

O Saaqi, free us from the facade of this world.
Bring wine - barrels full!
Our eyes see too straight -
straight past the truth!

The Light of Truth shines from Tabriz.
It is beyond the beyond
yet it is here,
shining through every particle of this world.


Rumi - Ghazal 765

my dear friend
never lose hope
when the beloved
sends you away

if you're abandoned
if you're left hopeless
tomorrow for sure
you'll be called again

if the door is shut
right in your face
keep waiting with patience
don't leave right away

seeing your patience
your love will soon
summon you with grace
raise you like a champion

and if all the roads
end up in dead ends
you'll be shown the secret paths
no one will comprehend

the beloved i know
will give with no qualms
to a puny ant
the kingdom of Solomon

my heart has journeyed
many times around the world
but has never found
and will never find
such a beloved again

ah i better keep silence
i know this endless love
will surely arrive
for you and you and you


Rumi - Hidden Music

Shams has come!
My Sun and Moon, my sight and hearing
that Beauty suddenly appeared by my side.
The one who was always in my thoughts
for whom I've searched so long
has come to me with open arms
laying flowers on my path.
My deepest wish has been granted.
What can I fear when my shield
my water of life has come?
Today is a day of Glory!
Today I am like Solomon
with the ring of abundance on my finger
and the divine crown on my head.
I can fly for he has given me wings
I can roar like a lion, I can rise like dawn.
No more verses
for I am taken to a place from where
this world seems so small . . .

Rumi - Story XVI, From Mathnawi

He said, "Though the path of the mean is wisdom,
Yet is this same mean also relative.
The water which is insufficient for a camel
Is like an ocean to a mouse.
Whoso has four loaves as his daily allowance,
Whether he eat two or three, he observes the mean.
But if he eat all four he transgresses the mean,
A very slave to greed, and voracious as a duck.
Whoso has an appetite for ten loaves,
Know, though he eat six, he observes the mean.
If I have an appetite for fifty loaves,
While you can manage only six, we are not on a par.
You are wearied with ten prostrations in prayer,
Whilst I can endure five hundred.
Such an one goes barefoot to the Ka'ba,
Whilst another faints with going to the mosque."
The ecstatic state which exalts the subject of it above law.
"At times my state resembles a dream,
My dreaming seems to them infidelity.
Know my eyes sleep, but my heart is awake;
My body, though torpid, is instinct with energy.
The Prophet said, 'Mine eyes sleep,
But my heart is awake with the Lord of mankind.'
Your eyes are awake and your heart fast asleep,
My eyes are closed, and my heart at the 'open door.'
My heart has other five senses of its own;
These senses of my heart view the two worlds.
Let not a weakling like you censure me,
What, seems night to you is broad day to me;
What seems a prison to you is a garden to me.
Busiest occupation is rest to me.
Your feet are in the mire, to me, mire is rose,
What to you is funeral wailing is marriage drum to me.
While I seem on earth, abiding with you in the house,
I ascend like Saturn to the seventh heaven.
'Tis not I who companion with you, 'tis my shadow;
My exaltation transcends your thoughts,
Because I have transcended thought,
Yea, I have sped beyond reach of thought.
I am lord of thought, not overlorded by thought,
As the builder is lord of the building.
All creatures are enslaved to thought;
For this cause are they sad at heart and sorrowful.
I send myself on an embassy to thought,
And, at will, spring back again from thought.
I am as the bird of heaven and thought as the fly,
How can the fly lend a helping hand to me?
Whoso has in him a spark of the light of Omnipotence,
However much he eats, say ' Eat on;' 'tis lawful to him."
To the spiritual man the "inner voice" is its
own evidence, and needs no other proof.
"If you are a true lover of my soul,
This truth-fraught saying of mine is no vain pretence,
'Though I talk half the night I am superior to you;'
And again, 'Fear not the night; here am I, your kinsman.'
These two assertions of mine will both seem true to you
The moment you recognize the voice of your kinsman.
Superiority and kinsmanship are both mere assertions,
Yet both are recognized for truth by men of clear wit.
The nearness of the voice proves to such an one
That the voice proceeds from a friend who is near.
The sweetness of the kinsman's voice, too, O beloved,
Proves the veracity of that kinsman.
But the uninspired fool who from ignorance
Cannot tell the voice of a stranger from a friend's,
To him the friend's saying seems a vain pretension,
His ignorance is the material cause of his disbelief.
To the wise, whose hearts are enlightened,
The mere sound of that voice proves its truth."
"When you say to a thirsty man, 'Come quickly;
This is water in the cup, take and drink it,'
Does the thirsty man say, 'This is a vain pretension;
Go, remove yourself from me, O vain pretender,
Or proceed to give proofs and evidence
That this is generic water, and concrete water thereof'?
Or when a mother cries to her sucking babe,
'Come, O son, I am thy mother,'
Does the babe answer, 'O mother, show a proof
That I shall find comfort from taking thy milk'?
In the hearts of every sect that has a taste of the truth
The sight and the voice of prophets work miracles.
When the prophets raise their cry to the outward ear,
The souls of each sect bow in devotion within;
Because never in this world hath the soul's ear
Heard from any man the like of that cry.
That poor man in that strange sweet voice
Recognizes the voice of God, 'Verily I am nigh.'"

Hmmm.  Unrequited Love Crush. 

Better to accept it wasn't really love in the first place.  But, more like a CRUSH.  That way, you'll rebound in no time.  Anyway, that's what I've been told by people who went through similar issues. 

Igbo Olodumare, by D.O. Fagunwa.

So, I'm reading this book.  As I said, I previously read it when I was a pre-teen; don't remember much but a couple of weird characters in it.

I need to discuss it when I'm finished, so, Naijababe, I expect you to be ready to have a proper discourse on this.  Weren't you supposed to read it as well?  I see in the high-faluting thread, you've been listing other literary finds but nothing about D.O. Fagunwa books.  Please rectify this oversight pronto.  I should be done in a couple of days or sooner.  To be forewarned is to be forearmed . . . or something like that.  

ragdollz:
@ isale gee, the question was simple: can I hynotization u to leaf Kazzymodo fo me? Tha's all!!

Seriously?  Did you see this? 

Katsumoto:
https://fc03.deviantart.net/fs39/f/2008/365/5/7/Great_Black_Samurai_2_by_nunavuut.jpg

Be very afraid

Anyway, go right ahead.  You don't need to hypnotise me at all.  You have my blessing.  

You do know Katsumoto is just my NL pal, as far as "NL friends" go, right?  That's all.  Get ur mind out of wherever it is. 

Rags,
I'm just messing with you.  The only person I really beef with is Naijababe.  She knows why. 

Seriously, ask your question.  The conclusions in your analyses, was that based on you reading our posts, or just a general conclusion applied to all who pick 1 2 or 3?  Are you looking at respondents' opinion about the description of the different female types?  Why not just give the types, e.g., BARBIE, TOMBOY, NERD, etc., and let them form their own description of those choices?  hmmm.

Never cared for psych.  Sociology is more my thing.  But, good luck.  Since I know we are unwitting participants in your petri dish, your future experiments are compromised. 

ola olabiy:
Isale, is dat an Egungun on ya profile?

That's a painting of a Masai Woman, all decked out.  You likey?

ragdollz:
hah! Isale d gee! You have not answered my queshun ooo! 419er like u . Yes or no, u no talk, instead u r referring to ola ola. Ok oooh, I will keep mum for now :C

What's the question? 

No psych(otic) or psych(opathic) questions o.    I was only kidding about hypnotherapy o.   I no know nothing about nada.  I run from psychiatrist and psychotherapists for real.   Like a scientologists about to be committed. 

BTW, I get the feeling there's a few of you med school dropouts running around NL looking for victims.  I am sure I have fallen victim to y'all before.   As my bestest friend in the whole freaking world would say, "God Dey." 

Hypnotherapize Ola Olabiy to stop drunk-posting. 

Hi, Ola! 

It's cool.  Now I know you're a shrink in training, I will call in certain favors too. 

Did you do hypnotherapy yet? 

I ain't gonna be your guinea pig, your lab rat, your white mouse. 

Ya can't start a gender war in this here thread/blog neither! 

Where's YOUR BLOG at? 

Alternative versions of the song/video, This Woman's Work:

Kate Bush's original music video from way back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TupvVpxY_U

Kate's updated, complete with weird typical KateBush-like video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvB7bVRPOfs

Maxwell's music video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkeCNeHcmXY

Maxwell performing live - very good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JYxc5ftEzg

Plus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Woman's_Work

A Nerd is good to have! It's GOOD to have a NERD!!!




Wey the doggone analyses of the whatchumacallits?!

buzugee:
survival is just that. survival. nothing to do with intelligence. the most intelligent people in the world have the worst survival skills. they are like fish out of water if dropped in unfamiliar sorroundings. thats why they are called geeks. people with stong survival skills are usually the primal and primitive types.

Interesting.  You always come with a fresh perspective o jare, my brutha.  Take care of yourself and enjoy your Sabbath.  

Hello, Preacher.  Naija pols influencing the (new testament) bible of 2000 years ago?  I'm worried about you brutha. 

Katsumoto:
Here is a song for the ladies. Guys, I will soon be back with DMX or Biggie. lol

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It didn't initially register, but at the very end, where Maxwell says, "Oh darling, make it go away," I knew I'd heard the song before.

[s]It was a bit part in a 2001 short-lived TV series I used to love.[/s]  (Also, just found out the song was originally featured in, and was part of the soundtrack of, a 1988 John Hughes movie.)

Here's the full original, by the intense Brit, Kate Bush:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s494qSvtvc

This Woman's Work, by Kate Bush

Pray God you can cope.
I stand outside this woman's work,
This woman's world.
Ooh, it's hard on the man,
Now his part is over.
Now starts the craft of the father.

I know you have a little life in you yet.
I know you have a lot of strength left.
I know you have a little life in you yet.
I know you have a lot of strength left.

I should be crying, but I just can't let it show.
I should be hoping, but I can't stop thinking

Of all the things I should've said,
That I never said.
All the things we should've done,
That we never did.
All the things I should've given,
But I didn't.

Oh, darling, make it go,
Make it go away.

Give me these moments back.
Give them back to me.
Give me that little kiss.
Give me your hand.

(I know you have a little life in you yet.
I know you have a lot of strength left.
I know you have a little life in you yet.
I know you have a lot of strength left.)

I should be crying, but I just can't let it show.
I should be hoping, but I can't stop thinking

Of all the things we should've said,
That were never said.
All the things we should've done,
That we never did.
All the things that you needed from me.
All the things that you wanted for me.
All the things that I should've given,
But I didn't.

Oh, darling, make it go away.
Just make it go away now.


Edited to add: Song from TV show is actually this one:
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