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Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 6:12pm On Oct 09, 2013
haibe: at the ressurection, we will bare the heavenly body, we will be changed at the ressurection from physical/earthly body to spiritual/heavenly body.
yes... we will. but is the heavenly body like the angels? No. aboy so job did not have the heavenly body? because after he arise he says he will see God from his flesh. if the heavenly body you mean have flesh then we dont have problem because it is the same body that will be immortal
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 6:00pm On Oct 09, 2013
haibe: JMAN corrected me that the greek word translated spirit there is "phantasma" when infact I thought it was PNEUMA as used in other verses for spirit and so I went ahead to confirm and found out this is actually true, you think am like you that someone will tell you something and you would turn a deaf hear without going to confirm

The greek word translated spirit in that verse is PHANTASMA, phantasma means phantom in english and according to my dictionary phantom means an illusion or a ghost

So you can see Jesus did not mean spirit being in that verse but ghost, the greek word used wasn't PNEUMA which is the original word for spirit in other verses.

So you don't have any excuse saying Jesus was talking about spirit being in that verse, he was talking about ghost, he ressurected a spirit being.

I will still urge you to study hard in order to be sure of what you are saying and so you wouldn't think you are following God's standard when you are only deluding yourself, don't just assume every word in the english translation of the bible is correcr, none of those that translated it claimed to be inspired by God, we can only be sure that the original greek text is what was inspired and that is why before interpreting words anyhow we should try to confirm if it corresponds to that which is in the original text.

However if you still want to assume the english translation is 100% accurate then you can go ahead taking all words as they are without confirming but please don't confuse people, that is when the problem will start.
Luke 24:37
Pneuma is used here not phantasma. jesus says pneuma has not flesh and bones. go and confirm

Mark 6:49
phantasma is used here. here they saw him walking on the lake.

please jman is wrong go and do your research and stop arguing.
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 4:20pm On Oct 09, 2013
haibe: the word spirit is a very complex word as used in the scriptures and if you are holding to it without confirming what it actually means, you will be deceiving yourself.

Jman should us all the greek word translated spirit in that verse mean phantom and the word phantom means an imagination, illusion or ghost apparition.

that verse wasn't talking about spirit beings but ghosts(disembodied spirit of the deceased or apparition of a dead person).

Jesus was saying he was no ghost like they use to belief in

Now the question I will ask you is this" Can a dead person appear to the living?

The problem you have is fear of going against your church traditions, you don't want to find the exact meaning of words, you just want to assume complex things in one dimension without seeking evidence from their sources and I must tell you that you are a bad bible student, you are biased, you don't want to seek the truth but let me tell you, church doctrines are not always right, you need to go further to study on your own.
and jman is wrong. same word used in greek is same as the words used for spirits. like when bible are describing the spirit beings.
there is no way the greek word was meaning phantom.

With you i have seeing alot of contradiction on jman and your self. some he has refused to answer or reply.

the Jerusalem that will come to earth. will God let only 144 thousand inside? and the rest of us will be outside walking?
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 3:59pm On Oct 09, 2013
haibe: Are you alright? ? please show me where I said Jesus was joking or that he is telling them he is not a spirit when he is a spirit.

I have told you Jesus was telling them he wasn't a ghost, ghosts are different from spiritual beings, you still hold on to the word spirit in order to deceive yourself that Jesus wasn't a spiritual being.

Do you know the difference between a ghost and spirit beings? ? why are you acting like a dummy?

Are spirit beings dead like ghosts?

I have told you not to quote me out of context again, don't lie on me please, if you don't understand please ask questions first.
did you not see the words in the bracket. this is an example of comprehension wahala
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 3:58pm On Oct 09, 2013
haibe: The answer is we will dwell in the new jerusalem which is literally heaven on earth, since it is heaven only heavenly bodies can dwell there.

you didn't answer the question you quoted, please do.
then Jman say some people will go to heaven and some will be on earth. so if heaven comes to earth who are those going to heaven and who are does that will be outside the new jerusalem?
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 2:47pm On Oct 09, 2013
haibe: Job says he will see God in his flesh (body), how does this prove anything? everyone will see God in their body but this body will have been changed from physical body to heavenly body.


And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.(1 Corinthians 15:49).

what do you understand by this verse above?
it kills your argument

first jesus made it clear spirit dont have flesh and bones. you said jesus was joking because he is telling them he is not a spirit when he is a spirit
(you didnt actually saying that way but you meant it that way)

the angels dont have flesh and bones

now job said from his flesh he shall see God. which agrees with what jesus said that he is flesh and not a spirit.

and you said this does not prove anything. i feel like leaving benin and come down to where you are and say to you. DROP YOUR PRIDE.

what i understand is 1st adam is from earth we got his image which is death. 2nd adam is from heaven we got his image which is Life.

it doesnt not mean form or how we look.

adam was created in the image of God. tell me is adam a spirit when he was created? no. God is not Human being.
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 2:43pm On Oct 09, 2013
haibe: A quick question: before Jesus came to earth was he a spiritual being or a physical being?
read philipians 2:6 answer is there.
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 2:42pm On Oct 09, 2013
haibe: All I know is that the new Jerusalem is not physical but heavenly and nothing defiled or corruptible will enter it but the saints only.

Why are you surprised that spiritual beings can be on earth, where do you think satan is? you think he is in an imaginary throne in hell waiting for who to torment? why do you think demons possess people here on earth? Infact the earth was in existence before man was created.

Mr man I am not defending any jw, this is what the bible teaches, and who told you only jw belief in a spiritual body?
all you know is: this your statement shows you have no argument.
Jerusalem will come to earth. I am asking you will humans not be able to leave on earth again? why is the earth renewed when nothing will leave on it? why should and invisible spirit nation come into a physical world and stay?

will earth be like planet mars?

why job say he will see God with his flesh after he rise? abi spirit don get flesh?

why resurrect dead corpse if their body is not needed?

when the bible say the day adam eats from the fruit he died, was the bible lying or adam died spiritually?

do you know do we are alive we are dead?

so if the body is not needed why does the bible say jesus will give our body eternal life?

will humans stop to exist?

is jesus still human?
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 2:28pm On Oct 09, 2013
haibe: I want to believe this is the verse you are quoting from:

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the
throne and of the four beasts, and in the
midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it
had been slain, having seven horns and
seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of
God sent forth into all the earth.(rev 5:6).

How does this prove that Jesus is a man?
From the old testament the killing of the lamb has always been a symbol of Jesus, the lamb is not actually Jesus but is always associated with Jesus.

The lamb in this verse is a symbol of Jesus just as it has always been, Jesus himself is not wounded in heaven, if you say he is wounded, then you are saying he has seven horns and seven eyes literally too but this is wrong, they are only symbols representing something just like the lamb represents Jesus.
itsfacts:

mr man try read before you type. I made known that the lamb is a symbol for Jesus. Same way the lion is a symbol. Talk about comprehension
I quote my self because i have already said the lamb is a symbol of Jesus. Jesus is the lamb of God.

When Jesus is called the Lamb of God in John 1:29 and John 1:36, it is referring to Him as the perfect and ultimate sacrifice for sin. In order to understand who Christ was and what He did, we must begin with the Old Testament, which contains prophecies concerning the coming of Christ as a “guilt offering” (Isaiah 53:10). In fact, the whole sacrificial system established by God in the Old Testament set the stage for the coming of Jesus Christ, who is the perfect sacrifice God would provide as atonement for the sins of His people (Romans 8:3; Hebrews 10).

he says he saw the lamb as it was slain. Jesus was put on the cross. he had wounds on his hand and side, that is how it was slain. Now he saw Jesus that way.

lamb is symbol,
But how was the lamb(Jesus) slain? How did he see him?

the wounds are part of the sacrifice and it was said that the way they watch him go is same way he will come. those wounds will still be there.
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 12:52pm On Oct 09, 2013
haibe: what do you mean John saw the lamb (Jesus) as he waw slain in heaven, how can you think Jesus was slain in heaven again, is this were your reasoning have ended up? OMG!!

You are right flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, that is what the bible says, I don't know what bone has to do with this.

Christians will be dwelling in the new Jerusalem which will come out of heaven from God, this is not a physical Jerusalem, it is heavenly/spiritual, and so only the saints with heavenly/spiritual body can dwell there.

Job has not arised, he is still dead in the grave unconscious, he will be ressurected in an heavenly body at Christ's second coming.
comprehension hahhahahaha. Go back and read my post. You don't understand anything even simple English.

go back and read where i said he saw the lamb that was slain. Did i say it was slain in heaven no. Then i continue and say he saw it the way it was slain in heaven. Which means he saw Jesus in heaven with his wounds in his and and side. Learn to understand. This is not a rocket science.

what flesh did job use to see God?

about Jerusalem. So God will bring invisible kingdom and put in physical earth then everyone will be invisible in physical earth. Will earth be like planet mars? They have some sort of spiritual kingdom in mars and every living creature there is invisible that humans can see them. The jw you defend i was one their awake magazine you see people eaten apple playing lions yet the spirit we will become we will need to eat those fruits they display in their magazine to keep our spirit body running no be so? Contradiction contradiction contradiction.

job say when he arise his flesh will see God. Is heavenly body has flesh? Do the angels have flesh? You see the problem? You say when he arise he will have is heavenly body ok. Then job talks about when he arise and said his flesh. Yet you say it is not flesh but spirit.

jman the 144 thousand will go to heaven turn to spirit. About the great crowd you say will remain on earth? They turn to spirit too? As u say flesh cant survive in heaven will flesh not survive on earth? Adam was made to live for ever on earth not as spirit but flesh.
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 12:38pm On Oct 09, 2013
truthislight: ^^^

This guy funny die. grin

lol, Jesus was a 'literal' lamb in heaven. cheesy
mr man try read before you type. I made known that the lamb is a symbol for Jesus. Same way the lion is a symbol. Talk about comprehension
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 10:52am On Oct 09, 2013
haibe: mr man I have answered you, read again.
you mean he did not see the lamb the way it was slain?
flesh and blood cant inherit the kingdom of God. Can bones inherit it?

the kingdom of God will be brought to earth we will have new earth. So are we going to be spirit to be on earth?

the flesh job use to see God after he arise is it a flesh of a spirit?
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 9:44am On Oct 09, 2013
haibe: this was your question and you are saying I did not address it, you said how did see the lamb standing at d right hand of God' and I gave you an answer.
compression banta.
i am not asking you about the standing at the right hand.

the question is the lamb that was slain. He saw the lamb in the way it was slain. You did not address this. Instead you address another thing which is Christ standing at the right hand.
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 9:28am On Oct 09, 2013
haibe: he didn't see Jesus literally standing at the right hand of God, what you don't know is that 'the right hand" signifies a place of honour or exaltation(1Kings 2:19; Mattew 20:21-23 ).

Jesus was exalted by God after his ascension, that is what it means to be standing or seated at the right hand of God, its nothing literal, if it were literal, another passage says he is seated at the right hand of God, how is it possible to be seated and standing at the right hand of God at the same time since they are mutually exclusive, in order words Jesus can't be seated and standing at the same time, seating/standing at the right hand of God signifies honour if not we would have millions of people seating at the right hand or God (Mattew 20:21-23).

please Jesus is not a man in heaven, heaven is a spiritual place meant for spiritual beings, flesh and blood cannot inherit it.

So Whenever the bible says Jesus is seated or standing at the right hand of God, it doesn't mean he is a man standing literally at God's throne but that He (Jesus) is exalted in the throne of heaven.

64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied.
“But I say to all of you: From now on you will
see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand
of the Mighty One and coming on the
clouds of heaven.”

Obviously they did not look up into heaven seeing a man standing at the right hand of a throne in heaven but at his second coming they will see that Jesus has been exalted in heaven.
all power in heaven and on earth created for him and by him. Standing at the right hand of God means he has been given all power and authority.

you did not address the point. Paul sees him the lamb as it was slain.
job said is destroyed skin will be restored and he will see God from his flesh, asaiah said dead corpses will arise.
jman say no need for corpses to arise. The people with body will drop it. the contradiction. The contradiction oh the contradiction
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 10:59pm On Oct 08, 2013
haibe: its john not paul.

So you think john was referring to a literal lamb?
how will i think so? jesus is the lamb. i am asking how did he see the lamb standing by the right hand of God?
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 10:45pm On Oct 08, 2013
haibe: the same person he was before coming in form of a man; a spiritual being.
so which lamb did Paul saw in heaven in the form as it was slain ?
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 10:02pm On Oct 08, 2013
haibe: please repeat yourself, are you saying Jesus is a man in heaven or you are just joking?
what is he?
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 9:46pm On Oct 08, 2013
haibe: this is not what the bible says, it says we will be changed from a physical body to a spiritual body not that holy spirit will make us spiritual body, that is false.
did i argue? the spiritual dont mean we will turn to spirit. you dont know what it is. but paul describe it in revelation. and paul see jesus with the wounds in revelation. the bible still calls jesus man not spirit or what ever. he is a man in heaven. angels are not men we turn to spirit like them it means we change from man to spirit beings like angels.

what did job tell you when he resurrect? he will see God from his flesh. case close
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 9:23pm On Oct 08, 2013
haibe: if this is what makes the spiritual body it means we already have the spiritual body.

or aren't you aware that some Christians are filled with the holy ghost?

so it means we already have the spiritual body? lol you are confused.
no. because not everyone have the spirit or are sons of God. after the resurrection you will see wonders. the gift will manifest and our body will be perfect better than that adam first had.

remember adam had flesh and was not spirit he was immortal then he sinned. so why do we need to drop out body to be immortal again?
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 9:02pm On Oct 08, 2013
i wont reply again.
i asked jman a question that shows further that the body will rice. and we will be flesh transformed into a glorious way. filled with the holy spirit that makes it spiritual body, glorious body etc. job says after his skin is destroyed(decay) he will see God from his flesh.
isaiah says
Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise jman says the dead corpses will not rise but spirit being of them will pop out.

https://www.nairaland.com/1466539/ghosts-really-exist-according-bible/5#18669651
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 8:50pm On Oct 08, 2013
haibe: noun (plural ghosts):

The DISEMBODIED SPIRIT; the soul or spirit of a deceased person; a spirit appearing after death; an apparition; a specter.



ARE YOU TELLING ME A WHOLE DICTIONARY WHICH IS MEANT TO ENLIGHTEN PEOPLE IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE IS WRONG BY USING THE TERM "DISEMBODIED SPIRIT"??

you must be a joker.

the fact that it is qualified with disembodied means there are spirits that have bodies if not there won't be any need to qualify the word spirit with DISEMBODIED. because it will be tautological.
now the dictionary people are right. did you say this about the dictionary people?

haibe:

@itsfact what then is this heavenly body the bible talks about in 1 Corinthians 15 ??

human beings who wrote the dictionary do not need to know about heavenly/spiritual bodies since some of them may have never even heard of it.
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 8:11pm On Oct 08, 2013
haibe: the problem you have is that you are unable to differentiate the "suposed disembodied spirit of the dead" and "spirit beings".

If "all spirits" don't have bodies, then there won't be any need to qualify some with the adjective "disembodied"

If spirits in general don't have bodies, then it will be tautological to term some "disembodied spirits" since all don't have bodies.

In order words is all spirits dont have body, what is the essence or terming some "disembodied spirits"?

The point is there is a mytyical disembodied spirit of the dead (ghost) and spirit beings who have bodies that are invisible to human beings

the former (ghost) is a mythology because the dead are asleep in their grave and unconscious while the latter (spirit beings) is a reality.
spirits are disembodied all kind... the are like wind.

all spirits are disembodied. can you see the wind? that is how they all are. they only have body when they materialize.

understand what body means or is. there is nothing like disembodied spirits. but spirits are disembodied. disembodied is a word on its own. no such word like disembodied spirit. you can say disembodied dead people but not disembodied spirit. it does not make sense and it is err.
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 7:47pm On Oct 08, 2013
haibe: @itsfact what then is this heavenly body the bible talks about in 1 Corinthians 15 ??

human beings who wrote the dictionary do not need to know about heavenly/spiritual bodies since some of them may have never even heard of it.
this excuse has failed
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 7:04pm On Oct 08, 2013
haibe: the point is you can't call angels disembodied spirits because they have their own bodies, you would only be deceiving yourself thinking they don't have a body.

If there was a word like "disphysicalbody", then you would be right calling them that but you can't be right saying they don't have bodies because they do.
spirits dont have bodies whether angels or anything you call spirit... they have to materialize to be have bodies.

i fix for you again.
bod·y (bd)
n. pl. bod·ies
1.
a. The entire material or physical structure of an organism, especially of a human or animal.
b. The physical part of a person.
c. A corpse or carcass.
2.
a. The trunk or torso of a human or animal.
b. The part of a garment covering the torso.
3.
a. A human; a person.
b. A group of individuals regarded as an entity; a corporation.
4. A number of persons, concepts, or things regarded as a group: We walked out in a body.
5. The main or central part, as:
a. Anatomy The largest or principal part of an organ; corpus.
b. The nave of a church.
c. The content of a book or document exclusive of prefatory matter, codicils, indexes, or appendixes.
d. The passenger- and cargo-carrying part of an aircraft, ship, or other vehicle.
e. Music The sound box of an instrument.
6. A mass of matter that is distinct from other masses: a body of water; a celestial body.
7. A collection or quantity, as of material or information: the body of evidence.
8. Consistency of substance, as in paint, textiles, or wine: a sauce with body.
9. Printing The part of a block of type underlying the impression surface.
tr.v. bod·ied, bod·y·ing, bod·ies
1. To furnish with a body.
2. To give shape to. Usually used with forth:

tell me which of all the meanings that fits a spirit.
a body should alway be a material substance
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 6:52pm On Oct 08, 2013
haibe: angels are not disembodied spirits, the term disembodied spirit came from the mythology of ghosts and the false belief that the spirit in man is a person and immortal.

Angels have spiritual bodies or what the bible also calls heavenly body, because you can't see their body doesn't mean they do not have bodies.

Not everyone will be ressurected as spiritual, immortal beings, only the saint will be ressurected as spiritual beings, the rest are ressurected in w physical, mortal body that can die the second death after further judgments have taken place
i fix it for you

World English Dictionary
disembodied (ˌdɪsɪmˈbɒdɪd)

— adj
1. lacking a body or freed from the body; incorporeal
2. lacking in substance, solidity, or any firm relation to reality
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 6:45pm On Oct 08, 2013
haibe: because spirit beings like angels don't have flesh and bones like man doesn't mean they do not have their own body.

flesh and bones are just physical compositions of the body of man, angels are not physical like man and so they don't have flesh and bones, angels are spiritual, they have spiritual bodies not flesh and bones which are for physical beings.

Jesus materialised to show the apostles he was the one, if he didn't materialise the apostles wouldn't have seen him just like you won't see the angels around you because they possess a spiritual body which physical man cannot see
no he did not materialize. he was flesh and bone and he said he is not a spirit or spirit being.
he says he will raise his body up. that is why Mary Magdalene cannot find his body at the tomb. then what did the angels told her?
why will jesus materialize and put the wounds on his hands and legs?

Why does he still have the wounds in his hands and legs till today as he is in heaven?

Bible says Angels materialized in the past. show me where it says jesus did same?
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 6:34pm On Oct 08, 2013
haibe: please which sense are you discussing spirit, is it in your ghost-like form or disembodied spirit in man? lol.

Angels are spiritual beings, Jesus ressurected a spiritual being, we will ressurect as spiritual beings.

Any other form of spirit you are referring to is not a person, the spirit in man is not a person, we only become spiritual beings at the ressurection.

And please we aren't talking of manna here, we are talking of the food they eat here on earth, should we say they are physical beings because they eat here on earth? like you are saying Jesus was physical because he eat with his disciples.
angels are also disembodied spirits beings.... Humans will stop to exist and we will all be spirits.
since not all will go to heaven according to jman. what is the point turning people who will be on earth to spirit?
Christianity EtcRe: Do Ghosts Really Exist According To The Bible? @itsfact And @ravgach by Itsfacts: 6:22pm On Oct 08, 2013
JMAN05: Am waiting for you to reply to all my comments where i quoted you, so that this discussion will make meaning. i dont engage in hit and run type of discussion.

again, quote the sentences you want to reply to so that this discussion can take shape.

If you are serious, am waiting. my other comments are there. when i reply, i will assembly all your replies. so that this discussion can take shape.
which of the post. requote it or post it again
Christianity EtcRe: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by Itsfacts: 5:24pm On Oct 08, 2013
haibe: You are the one getting it all wrong, Jesus says he will raise it up in 3 days, he never said it will be raised still as a physical body, the focal point is that he has raised the body only that the body has changed.

don't confuse yourself.
deceive confuse and delude your self.
jman says the body was dispose, Jesus said he will raise it up. the "it" is the body that is raised up.
the body was physical it has flesh and bones.
spirit beings are disembodied. they dont have flesh and bones.
Jesus did not materialize and put fake wounds on his and to deceive the disciples he is not a deceiver.
Christianity EtcRe: Do Ghosts Really Exist According To The Bible? @itsfact And @ravgach by Itsfacts: 3:40pm On Oct 08, 2013
JMAN05: oga, i dont know whether you are angry or what cos you are now selecting words out of context and making allegations. i want to say that we are not here for quarrel. and the truth is: the truth is just there, and it wont change because you refuse to accept it.

on your point one. your statement was out of context. I said:

you are not puting
something into your [size=15pt]corrupted body[/size]
to make it incorruptible.


You will just change. when they
put on immortality and
incorruptibility, that there body will
change to a spirit body. no human
eye will see them again."

I explained further:

meaning that they will drop the
physical body and put in or being
raised in a spiritual one.


Now on the bolded in your comment. i have answered it. i quote:

resurretion is the act of arising from
the dead and becoming alive again.
. (from a dictionary in my phone).

the emphasis is on the person being alive again. it could be in flesh or spirit.

the saints will have a spirit body when resurrected. your quotation below proves it. verse 44.



From the bolded red, dont you think that the saints will be resurrected as a spiritual body? ie with spirit body.
the bold is a mess. he dropped the physical body and put in being raised as a spirit. what sense are you making with that?
the bible says the corruptible put on incorruptible, How come you are saying we are not putting on? going opposite to what the bible says.
when mary and her people went to see jesus what did the angels told them?

that jesus is not there, he has risen. they mean the body that was dead has risen they did not say God has taken the body. this is not too hard for you to understand.

If jesus materialize the bible will mention it. but it didnt. Jesus need to deceive the disciples? by materializing and then put holes in his hands and feets tell them to feel it and claim he is not a spirit when you say he is a spirit.

so the great crowd that you believe will stay on earth and not go to heaven, will they change to spirit also? the earth will be filled with spirits beings roaming about.

because you believe even the glorified body cant go to heaven and you deside one has to be spirit to go to heaven. how is it that the great crowd will be spirits and remain on earth?

what is the "it" that puts on immortality?
is it a spirit that puts on the immortality or the "it" is referring to our lowly body?
tell me what is the "it"?

the people that are dead are dead and their body is dust. How will the bible talks of their body putting on immortality when you say they will drop their body?

no where is the bible talking about dropping but rather it talks about us putting on.

show me where it says in the bible that we dropped our body?

what do you understand by the soul.

tell me what asaiah and job means

Isaiah 26:19
Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise. You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits.

what do you understand by corpses?
will the corpses rise or not?

so how can some corpses rise and the ones who are alive will drop their body?
wait another one

Daniel 12:2
Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

those who are sleep in the dust.

see another one
Job 19:26-27
As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, And at the last He will take His stand on the earth. 26"Even after my skin is destroyed, Yet from my flesh I shall see God; 27Whom I myself shall behold, And whom my eyes will see and not another. My heart faints within me!

first person singular here.
he says even if his skin is destroyed which means like decay turn to dust, yet from his FLESH he will see GOD... he said from his flesh not as a spirit. His eyes will see God.

you keep twisting the scripture and contradict your self. keep twisting
Christianity EtcRe: Do Ghosts Really Exist According To The Bible? @itsfact And @ravgach by Itsfacts: 9:19am On Oct 08, 2013
haibe: this guy you get big problem oo, show me where me or jman said our body will drop and die then spirit being will be created in us? please show me abeg

the bible says we will be changed from a physical body to a spiritual body, did it say anything will die here?

it says we will be changed, we will not be raised in a physical body but in a spiritual body.

if you don't know the difference between physical and spiritual I can help you out.

A physical body is visible while a spiritual body is not visible except you also have a spiritual body.

A physical body is natural while a spiritual body is supernatural.

A physical body cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven while a spiritual body can.


EXAMPLE.
Man has a physical body, angels have a spiritual body
Man is natural, angels are supernatural.
Man is visible, angels are invisible(unless they take on physical form)

At the ressurection, we are raised in a spiritual body, and so we become like the angels, we become incorruptible, we become immortal.
think before you talk. Spirit don't have body. angels don't have body, they have to materialize many times.

bible says our body is the temple of God, the Holy spirit comes in and we have life. When we are resurrected the holy spirit will be in all of us. jman says Jesus body was disposed which means the body did not change he says God dispose the body. he also says the body was sacrifice so why do Jesus have to take back the body he used for the sacrifice. yet the bible talks about same body that was put in the grave will rise as again.
so what body change to the Glorified form Jesus took? since God dispose Jesus body?

and you are here in delusion talking what you don't know.

When Jesus was going to heaven it was not only the disciples who saw him. many in the town saw him. How is that body invisible? he says the way he was when he left is the way he will be when he is coming. every eyes shall see him.

you dont realize the power of God. our body will be transformed it will not be invisible but it will be better and can stand any habitat because it will put on immortality, imperishable the holy spirit will be in it. that is why it is spiritual body. normally spirit dont have body. when you say spiritual body it means our body is dealing with a spiritual force power. the holy spirit will be inside everyone that is the eternal life so says the holy spirit will be our source of life.
Christianity EtcRe: Do Ghosts Really Exist According To The Bible? @itsfact And @ravgach by Itsfacts: 10:51pm On Oct 07, 2013
haibe: @itsfact you have superficial knowledge of the scriptures .

how can you be comparing the ressurection of lazarus with the ressurection of the saints at Christ second coming?

the poverty in knowledge you posess is beyond me, I don't just get how someone can be so dull like you.
how am i comparing both? To teach you what resurrection means or to say that was the actual resurrection. The later is wrong the first is right.

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