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haibe: at the ressurection, we will bare the heavenly body, we will be changed at the ressurection from physical/earthly body to spiritual/heavenly body.yes... we will. but is the heavenly body like the angels? No. aboy so job did not have the heavenly body? because after he arise he says he will see God from his flesh. if the heavenly body you mean have flesh then we dont have problem because it is the same body that will be immortal |
haibe: JMAN corrected me that the greek word translated spirit there is "phantasma" when infact I thought it was PNEUMA as used in other verses for spirit and so I went ahead to confirm and found out this is actually true, you think am like you that someone will tell you something and you would turn a deaf hear without going to confirmLuke 24:37 Pneuma is used here not phantasma. jesus says pneuma has not flesh and bones. go and confirm Mark 6:49 phantasma is used here. here they saw him walking on the lake. please jman is wrong go and do your research and stop arguing. |
haibe: the word spirit is a very complex word as used in the scriptures and if you are holding to it without confirming what it actually means, you will be deceiving yourself.and jman is wrong. same word used in greek is same as the words used for spirits. like when bible are describing the spirit beings. there is no way the greek word was meaning phantom. With you i have seeing alot of contradiction on jman and your self. some he has refused to answer or reply. the Jerusalem that will come to earth. will God let only 144 thousand inside? and the rest of us will be outside walking? |
haibe: Are you alright? ? please show me where I said Jesus was joking or that he is telling them he is not a spirit when he is a spirit.did you not see the words in the bracket. this is an example of comprehension wahala |
haibe: The answer is we will dwell in the new jerusalem which is literally heaven on earth, since it is heaven only heavenly bodies can dwell there.then Jman say some people will go to heaven and some will be on earth. so if heaven comes to earth who are those going to heaven and who are does that will be outside the new jerusalem? |
haibe: Job says he will see God in his flesh (body), how does this prove anything? everyone will see God in their body but this body will have been changed from physical body to heavenly body.it kills your argument first jesus made it clear spirit dont have flesh and bones. you said jesus was joking because he is telling them he is not a spirit when he is a spirit (you didnt actually saying that way but you meant it that way) the angels dont have flesh and bones now job said from his flesh he shall see God. which agrees with what jesus said that he is flesh and not a spirit. and you said this does not prove anything. i feel like leaving benin and come down to where you are and say to you. DROP YOUR PRIDE. what i understand is 1st adam is from earth we got his image which is death. 2nd adam is from heaven we got his image which is Life. it doesnt not mean form or how we look. adam was created in the image of God. tell me is adam a spirit when he was created? no. God is not Human being. |
haibe: A quick question: before Jesus came to earth was he a spiritual being or a physical being?read philipians 2:6 answer is there. |
haibe: All I know is that the new Jerusalem is not physical but heavenly and nothing defiled or corruptible will enter it but the saints only.all you know is: this your statement shows you have no argument. Jerusalem will come to earth. I am asking you will humans not be able to leave on earth again? why is the earth renewed when nothing will leave on it? why should and invisible spirit nation come into a physical world and stay? will earth be like planet mars? why job say he will see God with his flesh after he rise? abi spirit don get flesh? why resurrect dead corpse if their body is not needed? when the bible say the day adam eats from the fruit he died, was the bible lying or adam died spiritually? do you know do we are alive we are dead? so if the body is not needed why does the bible say jesus will give our body eternal life? will humans stop to exist? is jesus still human? |
haibe: I want to believe this is the verse you are quoting from: itsfacts:I quote my self because i have already said the lamb is a symbol of Jesus. Jesus is the lamb of God. When Jesus is called the Lamb of God in John 1:29 and John 1:36, it is referring to Him as the perfect and ultimate sacrifice for sin. In order to understand who Christ was and what He did, we must begin with the Old Testament, which contains prophecies concerning the coming of Christ as a “guilt offering” (Isaiah 53:10). In fact, the whole sacrificial system established by God in the Old Testament set the stage for the coming of Jesus Christ, who is the perfect sacrifice God would provide as atonement for the sins of His people (Romans 8:3; Hebrews 10). he says he saw the lamb as it was slain. Jesus was put on the cross. he had wounds on his hand and side, that is how it was slain. Now he saw Jesus that way. lamb is symbol, But how was the lamb(Jesus) slain? How did he see him? the wounds are part of the sacrifice and it was said that the way they watch him go is same way he will come. those wounds will still be there. |
haibe: what do you mean John saw the lamb (Jesus) as he waw slain in heaven, how can you think Jesus was slain in heaven again, is this were your reasoning have ended up? OMG!!comprehension hahhahahaha. Go back and read my post. You don't understand anything even simple English. go back and read where i said he saw the lamb that was slain. Did i say it was slain in heaven no. Then i continue and say he saw it the way it was slain in heaven. Which means he saw Jesus in heaven with his wounds in his and and side. Learn to understand. This is not a rocket science. what flesh did job use to see God? about Jerusalem. So God will bring invisible kingdom and put in physical earth then everyone will be invisible in physical earth. Will earth be like planet mars? They have some sort of spiritual kingdom in mars and every living creature there is invisible that humans can see them. The jw you defend i was one their awake magazine you see people eaten apple playing lions yet the spirit we will become we will need to eat those fruits they display in their magazine to keep our spirit body running no be so? Contradiction contradiction contradiction. job say when he arise his flesh will see God. Is heavenly body has flesh? Do the angels have flesh? You see the problem? You say when he arise he will have is heavenly body ok. Then job talks about when he arise and said his flesh. Yet you say it is not flesh but spirit. jman the 144 thousand will go to heaven turn to spirit. About the great crowd you say will remain on earth? They turn to spirit too? As u say flesh cant survive in heaven will flesh not survive on earth? Adam was made to live for ever on earth not as spirit but flesh. |
truthislight: ^^^mr man try read before you type. I made known that the lamb is a symbol for Jesus. Same way the lion is a symbol. Talk about comprehension |
haibe: mr man I have answered you, read again.you mean he did not see the lamb the way it was slain? flesh and blood cant inherit the kingdom of God. Can bones inherit it? the kingdom of God will be brought to earth we will have new earth. So are we going to be spirit to be on earth? the flesh job use to see God after he arise is it a flesh of a spirit? |
haibe: this was your question and you are saying I did not address it, you said how did see the lamb standing at d right hand of God' and I gave you an answer.compression banta. i am not asking you about the standing at the right hand. the question is the lamb that was slain. He saw the lamb in the way it was slain. You did not address this. Instead you address another thing which is Christ standing at the right hand. |
haibe: he didn't see Jesus literally standing at the right hand of God, what you don't know is that 'the right hand" signifies a place of honour or exaltation(1Kings 2:19; Mattew 20:21-23 ).all power in heaven and on earth created for him and by him. Standing at the right hand of God means he has been given all power and authority. you did not address the point. Paul sees him the lamb as it was slain. job said is destroyed skin will be restored and he will see God from his flesh, asaiah said dead corpses will arise. jman say no need for corpses to arise. The people with body will drop it. the contradiction. The contradiction oh the contradiction |
haibe: its john not paul.how will i think so? jesus is the lamb. i am asking how did he see the lamb standing by the right hand of God? |
haibe: the same person he was before coming in form of a man; a spiritual being.so which lamb did Paul saw in heaven in the form as it was slain ? |
haibe: please repeat yourself, are you saying Jesus is a man in heaven or you are just joking?what is he? |
haibe: this is not what the bible says, it says we will be changed from a physical body to a spiritual body not that holy spirit will make us spiritual body, that is false.did i argue? the spiritual dont mean we will turn to spirit. you dont know what it is. but paul describe it in revelation. and paul see jesus with the wounds in revelation. the bible still calls jesus man not spirit or what ever. he is a man in heaven. angels are not men we turn to spirit like them it means we change from man to spirit beings like angels. what did job tell you when he resurrect? he will see God from his flesh. case close |
haibe: if this is what makes the spiritual body it means we already have the spiritual body.no. because not everyone have the spirit or are sons of God. after the resurrection you will see wonders. the gift will manifest and our body will be perfect better than that adam first had. remember adam had flesh and was not spirit he was immortal then he sinned. so why do we need to drop out body to be immortal again? |
i wont reply again. i asked jman a question that shows further that the body will rice. and we will be flesh transformed into a glorious way. filled with the holy spirit that makes it spiritual body, glorious body etc. job says after his skin is destroyed(decay) he will see God from his flesh. isaiah says Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise jman says the dead corpses will not rise but spirit being of them will pop out. https://www.nairaland.com/1466539/ghosts-really-exist-according-bible/5#18669651 |
haibe: noun (plural ghosts):now the dictionary people are right. did you say this about the dictionary people? haibe: |
haibe: the problem you have is that you are unable to differentiate the "suposed disembodied spirit of the dead" and "spirit beings".spirits are disembodied all kind... the are like wind. all spirits are disembodied. can you see the wind? that is how they all are. they only have body when they materialize. understand what body means or is. there is nothing like disembodied spirits. but spirits are disembodied. disembodied is a word on its own. no such word like disembodied spirit. you can say disembodied dead people but not disembodied spirit. it does not make sense and it is err. |
haibe: @itsfact what then is this heavenly body the bible talks about in 1 Corinthians 15 ??this excuse has failed |
haibe: the point is you can't call angels disembodied spirits because they have their own bodies, you would only be deceiving yourself thinking they don't have a body.spirits dont have bodies whether angels or anything you call spirit... they have to materialize to be have bodies. i fix for you again. bod·y (bd) n. pl. bod·ies 1. a. The entire material or physical structure of an organism, especially of a human or animal. b. The physical part of a person. c. A corpse or carcass. 2. a. The trunk or torso of a human or animal. b. The part of a garment covering the torso. 3. a. A human; a person. b. A group of individuals regarded as an entity; a corporation. 4. A number of persons, concepts, or things regarded as a group: We walked out in a body. 5. The main or central part, as: a. Anatomy The largest or principal part of an organ; corpus. b. The nave of a church. c. The content of a book or document exclusive of prefatory matter, codicils, indexes, or appendixes. d. The passenger- and cargo-carrying part of an aircraft, ship, or other vehicle. e. Music The sound box of an instrument. 6. A mass of matter that is distinct from other masses: a body of water; a celestial body. 7. A collection or quantity, as of material or information: the body of evidence. 8. Consistency of substance, as in paint, textiles, or wine: a sauce with body. 9. Printing The part of a block of type underlying the impression surface. tr.v. bod·ied, bod·y·ing, bod·ies 1. To furnish with a body. 2. To give shape to. Usually used with forth: tell me which of all the meanings that fits a spirit. a body should alway be a material substance |
haibe: angels are not disembodied spirits, the term disembodied spirit came from the mythology of ghosts and the false belief that the spirit in man is a person and immortal.i fix it for you World English Dictionary disembodied (ˌdɪsɪmˈbɒdɪd) — adj 1. lacking a body or freed from the body; incorporeal 2. lacking in substance, solidity, or any firm relation to reality |
haibe: because spirit beings like angels don't have flesh and bones like man doesn't mean they do not have their own body.no he did not materialize. he was flesh and bone and he said he is not a spirit or spirit being. he says he will raise his body up. that is why Mary Magdalene cannot find his body at the tomb. then what did the angels told her? why will jesus materialize and put the wounds on his hands and legs? Why does he still have the wounds in his hands and legs till today as he is in heaven? Bible says Angels materialized in the past. show me where it says jesus did same? |
haibe: please which sense are you discussing spirit, is it in your ghost-like form or disembodied spirit in man? lol.angels are also disembodied spirits beings.... Humans will stop to exist and we will all be spirits. since not all will go to heaven according to jman. what is the point turning people who will be on earth to spirit? |
JMAN05: Am waiting for you to reply to all my comments where i quoted you, so that this discussion will make meaning. i dont engage in hit and run type of discussion.which of the post. requote it or post it again |
haibe: You are the one getting it all wrong, Jesus says he will raise it up in 3 days, he never said it will be raised still as a physical body, the focal point is that he has raised the body only that the body has changed.deceive confuse and delude your self. jman says the body was dispose, Jesus said he will raise it up. the "it" is the body that is raised up. the body was physical it has flesh and bones. spirit beings are disembodied. they dont have flesh and bones. Jesus did not materialize and put fake wounds on his and to deceive the disciples he is not a deceiver. |
JMAN05: oga, i dont know whether you are angry or what cos you are now selecting words out of context and making allegations. i want to say that we are not here for quarrel. and the truth is: the truth is just there, and it wont change because you refuse to accept it.the bold is a mess. he dropped the physical body and put in being raised as a spirit. what sense are you making with that? the bible says the corruptible put on incorruptible, How come you are saying we are not putting on? going opposite to what the bible says. when mary and her people went to see jesus what did the angels told them? that jesus is not there, he has risen. they mean the body that was dead has risen they did not say God has taken the body. this is not too hard for you to understand. If jesus materialize the bible will mention it. but it didnt. Jesus need to deceive the disciples? by materializing and then put holes in his hands and feets tell them to feel it and claim he is not a spirit when you say he is a spirit. so the great crowd that you believe will stay on earth and not go to heaven, will they change to spirit also? the earth will be filled with spirits beings roaming about. because you believe even the glorified body cant go to heaven and you deside one has to be spirit to go to heaven. how is it that the great crowd will be spirits and remain on earth? what is the "it" that puts on immortality? is it a spirit that puts on the immortality or the "it" is referring to our lowly body? tell me what is the "it"? the people that are dead are dead and their body is dust. How will the bible talks of their body putting on immortality when you say they will drop their body? no where is the bible talking about dropping but rather it talks about us putting on. show me where it says in the bible that we dropped our body? what do you understand by the soul. tell me what asaiah and job means Isaiah 26:19 Your dead will live; Their corpses will rise. You who lie in the dust, awake and shout for joy, For your dew is as the dew of the dawn, And the earth will give birth to the departed spirits. what do you understand by corpses? will the corpses rise or not? so how can some corpses rise and the ones who are alive will drop their body? wait another one Daniel 12:2 Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. those who are sleep in the dust. see another one Job 19:26-27 As for me, I know that my Redeemer lives, And at the last He will take His stand on the earth. 26"Even after my skin is destroyed, Yet from my flesh I shall see God; 27Whom I myself shall behold, And whom my eyes will see and not another. My heart faints within me! first person singular here. he says even if his skin is destroyed which means like decay turn to dust, yet from his FLESH he will see GOD... he said from his flesh not as a spirit. His eyes will see God. you keep twisting the scripture and contradict your self. keep twisting |
haibe: this guy you get big problem oo, show me where me or jman said our body will drop and die then spirit being will be created in us? please show me abegthink before you talk. Spirit don't have body. angels don't have body, they have to materialize many times. bible says our body is the temple of God, the Holy spirit comes in and we have life. When we are resurrected the holy spirit will be in all of us. jman says Jesus body was disposed which means the body did not change he says God dispose the body. he also says the body was sacrifice so why do Jesus have to take back the body he used for the sacrifice. yet the bible talks about same body that was put in the grave will rise as again. so what body change to the Glorified form Jesus took? since God dispose Jesus body? and you are here in delusion talking what you don't know. When Jesus was going to heaven it was not only the disciples who saw him. many in the town saw him. How is that body invisible? he says the way he was when he left is the way he will be when he is coming. every eyes shall see him. you dont realize the power of God. our body will be transformed it will not be invisible but it will be better and can stand any habitat because it will put on immortality, imperishable the holy spirit will be in it. that is why it is spiritual body. normally spirit dont have body. when you say spiritual body it means our body is dealing with a spiritual force power. the holy spirit will be inside everyone that is the eternal life so says the holy spirit will be our source of life. |
haibe: @itsfact you have superficial knowledge of the scriptures .how am i comparing both? To teach you what resurrection means or to say that was the actual resurrection. The later is wrong the first is right. |

