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truthislight: If you are an adult with two testicles and a human brain, go to that thread and proved what was posted there as not being biblical evidence to the fact that Jesus is Archangel Michael.

I challenged you to.

You think it is all about propaganda!

Ofcouse cheap propaganda and lies are you all strength.

Go there, you have the link, pick the post there and disproved them.

Talk is cheap!

1914 cough! cough!! is this the work your governing body ask you to do in nairaland? police man i go pill your skin like xmas chicken i no be benalvino that lets you go with bull sh.it

true2god: He's vry vry unstable, he will soon change his ID when BERNIMORE is finally mutilated as well. He said Ijawkid neva called Jesus an angel (and im sure he never heard that teaching before), but afta going thru his goofe (ijawkid's)he tried to safe face by denying wat he typed with his finger in less than a day. He will soon disappear frm Nairaland afta he got his mistakes esposed and come back with a different 'package'..

Dnt worry i knw hw to manage him. He will soon turn the discussion into abuses, thats his monicker.

lol he denied being a JW but he says he supports them like emyinba. i 1 see him jersey. he is just a deceit

okeyxyz: ^^^ Yes christianity is about jesus but not the literal jesus you are thinking about. Rather it is about the hidden messages he preached as parables and allegories. These messages were finally revealed in the letters of Paul, who made clear that we have been set free (apparently in opposition to how jesus lived when he was alive) from the laws of moses and all it's derivatives. So if your idea of christianity is still that of the "good" man Jesus who wouldn't hurt a fly, then you (like the rest of humanity) have no idea.

you think say na national treasure? or tomb raider? what hidden message? why will the bible hide message from us?

okeyxyz: Then you have no idea what the real christianity is about. Christianity is meant to set it's believers free from observing the laws of Moses(and it's derivatives). The law of moses is simply that value system that tells you that there are bad\evil things in nature that makes you a sinner if you do or use them. Maybe certain knowledges(eg: astrology, occult,...), or food, drink, clothes, sex etc. All things that god has created is good and to be used wisely by man for his own good, therefore they cannot be sin but the law says otherwise.

christianity is about jesus.

okeyxyz: Yes!!!
Most people who identify as christians simply have no idea. I respect their opinions, but it doesn't make them truth. Any "christian" who still thinks he's bound by the laws of moses (and these are most christian BTW) has no idea. They may claim that they are not under the law but ask them what is sex without marriage and they'll say it's fornication(as defined by the law of moses.). And this is the mindset of most "christians".

o boy u don loss me

okeyxyz: Truth is simply a point of view and believing a thing doesn't make it correct. The jehovah's witness POV (and almost all christian institutions) have a wrong perception of christian doctrine.

Does the OP have his own opinion of christian doctrine(which I think is mostly likely wrong...) or is he simply evaluating Jehovah's witnesses??

the brain i am trying to make is if you teach something and it is wrong. make them just tell people shikenally or kokoly that it is wrong o. this na correct one o. instead they say it is the truth but it is old light and this is new light and ask them not to go back to the old truth.

more lies

When Did Jesus Appoint “the Faithful and Discreet Slave” Over His Domestics?

Consider the context of Jesus’ words in Matthew chapter 24. All the verses listed here were to be fulfilled during Christ’s presence, “the conclusion of the system of things.”—Verse 3.

“The tribulation of those days.”—Verse 29.
“This generation.”—Verse 34.
“That day and hour.”—Verse 36.
The “day your Lord is coming.”—Verse 42.
“At an hour that you do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming.”—Verse 44.

Logically, then, “the faithful and discreet slave” must have appeared after Christ’s presence began in 1914.

Moreover, Jesus indicated that this “slave” would appear during a time when a legitimate question would be: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” Jesus’ apostles had miraculous gifts of holy spirit, so there was scant reason to raise that question in the first century C.E. (1 Corinthians 14:12, 24, 25) Although they were anointed by holy spirit, the apostles and other first-century Christians were not “the faithful and discreet slave” prophesied by Jesus.

It is reasonable to conclude, then, that Jesus appointed “the faithful and discreet slave” over “his domestics” during his presence, “the conclusion of the system of things.”

“Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?”

Jesus was referring, not to an individual, but to a composite “slave”—a group working together as one body. Jesus said that the slave (1) is appointed to a supervisory role “over [the master’s] domestics” and (2) gives the domestics spiritual “food at the proper time.”

From 1919 on, there has always been a small group of anointed Christians at the world headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses. They have supervised our worldwide preaching work and have been directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. In recent years, that group has been closely identified with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

The evidence points to the following conclusion: “The faithful and discreet slave” was appointed over Jesus’ domestics in 1919. That slave is the small, composite group of anointed brothers serving at world headquarters during Christ’s presence who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. When this group work together as the Governing Body, they act as “the faithful and discreet slave.”
http://www.jw.org/en/news/events-activities/annual-meeting-report-2012

[quote author=outc@st]^^^

Lol!!!


Now I understand your angle...

Well I can't speak for Jehovah's witnesses...I am not competent enough to do so; but what I do know is that the word of God is true for all time.[/quote]so why are they having new light and old light lol. olivatwist them

@outc@st
they use this to justify their mistakes
““The path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established,” states Proverbs 4:18. Yes, Jesus’ leadership is progressive, not stagnant. Another way to cooperate with Christ’s “brothers” is to have a positive attitude toward any refinements in our understanding of Scriptural truths as published by “the faithful and discreet slave.”” Watchtower 2011 May 15 p.27


they said that the 144000 people that will go to heaven was complete in 1935
"We understand that this heavenly calling continued down through the centuries, though during the so-called Dark Ages, there may have been times when the number of anointed ones were very few. With the reestablishment of true Christianity near the end of the last century, more were called and chosen. But it seems that in the mid-1930's, the full number of the 144,000 was basically completed. Thus there began to appear a group of loyal Christians with the earthly hope. Jesus termed such "other sheep," who unite in worship with the anointed as one approved flock." Watchtower 1996 Aug 15 p.31

this na the koko them put but for there memorial my friend for bennin happy say somebody take the bread and wine this year.

the question is how did they know the dark age? how they conclude with this dogma?

They said God never changes, the same today tomorrow and for ever. we all know God is truth and God is love. So if you teach your members something today as the truth why cant you just admit it was wrong or you made a mistake and say this is the correct thing. Instead of you to say it was actually the truth till the new truth comes out and you quote a bible verse to justify your lie that it is a new light and the other truth is the old light. If something is true today it remains true for ever as long as the scriptures are involved.

So my Question is Can a truth change to a lie from the bible?
paul said you should test the spirit to know if it is coming from God. this is not coming from God in my opinion

true2god: Tank God dat u have 'stylishly' admitted using multiple ID's on nairaland after your original ID 'BARRISTER' was badly mutilated cos of ur obvios deception. And now u hav even admitted dat he's ur 'elder' broda. Maybe the next ID u will create, when BERNIMORE is also mutilated will dat of C Ronaldo or Lionel Messi. 'BARRISTER' keep deceiving ursef.

after he tried to say ijawkid wasn't telling people that Jesus is an angel from his own link he put on here i ask him to read it again when ijawkid was saying what if jesus and that angel are equal then he admitted that jesus is michael an angel. how dishonest and he is lying that he is not a JW but a fan where him out him jersey?

BERNIMOORE: itsfacts

why dont you debunk the querry up there about 1 john 5:7 but you evade that quoting irrelevant verse here,of Isaiah 48:16

can you see now that you dont even have facts to challenge but pure hatred, olodo

Jw fanatic where is your jersey? there are three that bear witness then? see how it doesn't make sense? 3 what that bear witness. my friend go and read the history of the bible concerning that verse. i dont need to even start showing you your dogmatic bible. see person they talk what the verse ha to do with each other. the father and the spirit send the son shekina. that una active force and the father send the son.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven,.... That is, that Jesus is the Son of God. The genuineness of this text has been called in question by some, because it is wanting in the Syriac version, as it also is in the Arabic and Ethiopic versions; and because the old Latin interpreter has it not; and it is not to be found in many Greek manuscripts; nor cited by many of the ancient fathers, even by such who wrote against the Arians, when it might have been of great service to them: to all which it may be replied, that as to the Syriac version, which is the most ancient, and of the greatest consequence, it is but a version, and a defective one

this is exactly how dishonest you people are. taking part of the post and try to use it to claim the words are added instead of posting everything typical watchtower pattern they must have trained you to deceive people.

(a) about the year 350; and before him by Cyprian (b), in the middle, of the "third" century, about the year 250; and is referred to by Tertullian (c) about, the year 200; and which was within a "hundred" years, or little more, of the writing of the epistle; which may be enough to satisfy anyone of the genuineness of this passage; and besides, there never was any dispute about it till Erasmus left it out in the, first edition of his translation of the New Testament; and yet he himself, upon the credit of the old British copy before mentioned, put it into another edition of his translation. The heavenly witnesses of Christ's sonship are,

ijawkid: And I laugh......

Please open to 1 john 5:7 on your KJV and look everybody in the eye and tell us if that excerpt ever existed in the original greek manuscript.......

Please.....

Your colleagues quoted from it ,I decided not to interject with the fact that it is an addition......

I continued with your colleagues in the discussion...

And then I asked them...

When that excerpt says ;; and the witnesses in heaven are The Father,Christ and the holy ghost,and these 3 are 1.....

One what??.....

Till today nobody don answer me......

You think the KJV is the most holy rendition??......

this man dont know what unity means

[b]Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.[/b] The speaker in this verse is obviously God, and yet He says He has been sent both by The Lord God (that is, the Father) and by His Spirit (that is, the Holy Spirit).

ijawkid: My question to all trinitarians........

Which is the inspired translation which fell down from heaven..........

Benalvino is sneakily trying to confine everyone to the KJV which is fraudulent at its best........

The JW's cross check with all bible renditions from time to time to teach nothing but the truth.......

I would even blame the KJV onlyist who have proudly stuck to one bible rendition even when it is known that this same bible rendition has got its load of errors.......

The NWT is just like anyother rendition with simplified english....easy to read and has in place where the tetragrammaton was fraudulently removed ages ago.........


All bible renditions as far as the whole community of those who claim to be christians are concerned are open to criticism.......starting from the KJV which did not exist in the times of william tyndale..........

see this man you use the bible add to it. and yet you blame KJV for what? the things that is added in your bible is only done to change the meaning to fit your doctrine

BERNIMOORE: yes, an arch angel, jesus is micheal the archangel, everything you need to know about that has been discussed here https://www.nairaland.com/1103279/michael-archangel-really-jesus-revelation/0 page 1-40

Ok you have admitted JW with deceit

BERNIMOORE: U just jump into a thread, quoted an earlier thread all in an attempt to weaken an arguement and yet u neva see a place in ur pasted thread where ur pple said Jesus is an angel. Then hw do u manage to see wat u quoted frm the thread.



yes



im not a jw, so how do i admit a case that you havent proven, to me, they quote from other translations to show you guys that there is no difference using NWT and other older bible like KJV. they are actively using the word of God a right.





show us where they apologise or where other assemblies of God miracle worker like cerulo came out to appologise for frauding people and amase undeserved wealth before we can accept



well, i dont see anytime they make a prediction of 'a day and time' against jesus's warning that ''nobody knows the time and day except the father'' in any of the allegation, so, im not aware of any mistake

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yes pls, i do

this is an example of a brainwashed person. you cant lie you are not JW because from your dishonesty you are one. you say NWT is no different from other bible are you on cocaine? this guy they claim JW fanatic you no get work why not Join the truth because the koko is they say if you no join their organization nothing for you :p

true2god: U just jump into a thread, quoted an earlier thread all in an attempt to weaken an arguement and yet u neva see a place in ur pasted thread where ur pple said Jesus is an angel. Then hw do u manage to see wat u quoted frm the thread.

If u r a lawyer in this case, u r not a good lawyer cos u neva get ur facts right at allll. U call me a 'pot calling a kettle black', dats good. So u have admitted that the JW only quote frm a translation whenever they want to 'confuse' their readers and condemn the same translations anywhere the NWT contradicts the other translations. Well it is only a gullible reader dat will fall for their old tricks cos it has been uncovered by many of us.

Now on the issue of the Assembllues of God church making failed predictions, dat im not aware but could be true. And i can confidently to tell dat if Assemblies of God make any mistake in biblical interpretations they can come out in public and apologize for their errors and will neva cover-up tthe mistake.

My question to u is this, can any JW ever admit that their organization had made several failed predctions? The ansa is NO, even wen they are staring at their face dat those predictions were wrong. Do u still believe the 1914 JW official dogma?

those people are very dogmatic.

BERNIMOORE: jesus is the archangel? im not aware of any discussion that ensued about jesus being angel, until you kindly show me where he said that! before we can conclude admission or denial


show me where exactly it was said 'word for word'



i support the witnesses, and got the legal right to do so



post what has not been posted before,pls.. but it will be a shame on you if it will not be a new post or posted before by a misinformed individual, so copy and paste them here, im particularly waiting!

that very same link you put up for angel thing your friend is indirectly saying Jesus is angel and what if michael and Jesus are equal etc. you seem to find it hard understanding.

truthislight: Lie lie guy, You again !

I Jawkid had answered this the other other thread, but you are hear posting irrelevant things.

This debates on this is it NWT that Ijawkid has been using ? No.

So, what brought NWT into this debate ?

You fraud attempting to maligned Ijawkid and NWT.

The scripture below was given as the basis for the "(other)" use in the new world translation for clarification of the massage and scriptural consistency.

Does the word of God contradicts itself ? No.

Shame on you and your lies.




"For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15:27-28).

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The part on red escaped your lying heart.

That Jesus creating all things "excepted the father".

Keep deceiving yourself.

this dude head na coconut sheie!!
na this you use justify for adding to God's word? i don the confirm say jehovah witness na cult from the way them they behave if you join baptize you wan leave you go pay the price the punishment

ijawkid: Oboy you have nothing to add to this thread.......please help benalvino explain why Jesus is the image of God just like us......

your bible said jesus is a god so pick number 3

@ijawkid you are fueling my fear for JWs. you folks are so afraid of the truth or being tested

oboy you have shikenize everything with kokoism i want to see how this can be replied from them. good job Dude.
which church i wan go for the benin today?

^^^^
Not like you have any experience.
SMH

adaobi123: team catholic

oya, throw the insults at me

no its just a personal opinion

Bidam: Good Job..i guess ijawkid don go cower with his tail between his legs.

lol na real ijawman o... him no they give up

ijawkid: Your claims have long been discarded and re-adjusted.......I'm waiting for you stop worshipping 3 Gods.......pagan like you.....


Wetin remain for you na to worship mary the mother of your GOD...........

hahahaha very hilarious. see my post about the roman catholic

ijawkid: No be magazine tell me say God no be trinity,,,,na the scriptures tell me.........

I hope u remember say before this trinity come reach dormot the originators kill people just to establish the dogma.....

Hope you know.....

learn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity
you believe the lie that Jesus come and picked the organization/ bible says the went he went is the way he will come we shall see him.

ijawkid: ......


And he denies......

How do you think you hold on to the dogma today??......you think if what happened at NICEA never occured you would be here gallivanting with the triune God ish??......

you only know the lies you have been fed through the magazine

[quote author=From_Guiriga]All religions are bad. They all divide. Only the Father is good.[/quote]which one are you?

ijawkid: Sp the RCC that gave you the trinity dogma is also false??.......

Smh!!!!!!!!.....

The trinity is not from the Roman catholic. get your facts right.

faithwin2: U ARE SICK IN THE HEAD.

what is your rant? it my opinion its not a fact. so why are you taking it personal?

[quote author=outc@st]This can't be taken seriously!

At most it will be relegated to empty rants!

Enjoy your thread![/quote]you forgot the part where it says what are your opinions... i can go into more details but i needed to make it short. one that discuss me is the Vatican roman catholic