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MaxInDHouse:
This is not about judging but
IDENTITY OF FALSE PROPHETS!

*They claim togetherness but dispute is going on between them.

Bolaji and William are not on the same page.

That is how to identify false prophets both of them will keep mute deceiving their followers instead of telling you people openly that they are not on the same page.
When it comes to spiritual matters Jehovah's Witnesses only relate with ourselves as fellow believers whoever is not with us is not our fellow worshiper.

That's what Jesus taught his disciples not interfaith {Matthew 16:6; 12} where you can't speak the truth to one another but hiding behind anonymous!

Disputes have always been a factor in every human society from Adam. Your leader also broke away from a church to start his own watch tower society!

MaxInDHouse:
The prodigal son RETURNED HOME!

So Bolaji could fit in to that narrative if he returns to Deeperlife but as long as he pitches his tent aside and teaching what contradicts Kumuyi then both of them aren't receiving their inspiration from the same spirit! John 17:22; 1Corinthans 1:10

You're writing!

You can never tell if Bolaji truly heard from God. Kumuyi does not have the monopoly of hearing from God. He's a human like all of us. God is the Father of all, and He speaks to all His children except bastards.

The matter cannot be judged by us mortals except you were there when God was speaking to both men.

The only thing is that, Bolaji should have received Kukuyi's blessings before venturing out.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course Kumuyi and Bolaji are not on the same page.
Note that the disciples of Christ Jesus agreed with both Moses and Jesus that is why they are able to understand the transition also the issue that almost divided the first century congregation was resolved but members of Deeperlife will never accept you people are their fellow believers.
So Kumuyi and Bolaji aren't worshiping the same Spirit! John 4:24

It still does not mean they're not serving the same God.

Both the prodigal son and the elder child had the same father.

MaxInDHouse:
Moses foretold that another prophet like him will come and teach the Israelites what they need to know in order to gain everlasting life {Deuteronomy 18:15-19} Jesus came to establish a New Covenant {Jeremiah 31:31-33} so Jesus was sent to complete the work that Moses started and all Israelites had been expecting the prophet that will fulfill this role! John 4:25
So Jesus came to complete what Moses started therefore whoever refuses to switch to the new covenant has been condemned by God! Deuteronomy 18:19
Please between Kumuyi and Bolaji who stands as Moses and who as Jesus now?

Of course there was a division because of circumcision but the matter was taken to Jerusalem and the Apostles with God's Holy Spirit solve the issue by writing a letter to inform all our brothers what they should believe {Act 15:23-29} please between Kumuyi and Bolaji who is correct today and where will they solve the dispute?
Remember members of Deeperlife will never accept your church as part of their fellow worshipers so your comparation doesn't add up!🤔

I didn't ask you all these.

But, from all points you made above, it is clear that having divergent opinions does not mean they're serving different Gods.

MaxInDHouse:
Paul and Barnabas disputed because of Mark who wasn't serious about the work Jesus assigned to them back then not because of teaching.

Barʹna·bas was determined to take along John, who was called Mark. Paul, however, was not in favor of taking him along with them, seeing that he had departed from them in Pam·phylʹi·a and had not gone with them to the work. At this there was a sharp burst of anger, so that they separated from each other; and Barʹna·bas took Mark along and sailed away to Cyʹprus. Act 15:37-39

If Kumuyi and Bolaji disputed over an unserious member it fits perfectly into this narrative but instead they are fighting because of TEACHINGS while Bolaji is stylishly stealing Kumuyi's followers using a totally different teaching yet claiming they belong to the same God!🙂

Jesus brought a totally different teaching from Moses. Does that mean Jesus and Moses serve different Gods?

In Acts 15, many brethren were opposed to the teachings of Paul and Barnabas. Does that mean they served different Gods?

MaxInDHouse:
My guy i can sense a measure of sincerity in you because all those claiming Christians on this forum always hide behind anonymous due to fear that their leaders may bring them shame but with the way you revealed the identity of your own pastor it's clear that you are not ready to hide anything.

Of course you are. In true Christianity it's certain that the two of them can't be serving the same God that's why they are at loggerhead against each other.

Jesus said:

I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— ‭John 17:22 NIV‬

Paul said:
I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. ‭1 Corinthians 1:10

Now based on what is happening with these two guys it's either one or both of them are false prophets because the spirit of God doesn't contradicts itself. 1Corinthans 14:33, 40

So which of the men is true and which is false if truly you are sincere with your so called "FAITH" ?

When Paul and Barnabas were at loggerheads with each other, did that mean they were not serving the same God?

MaxInDHouse:
Chai!
See original brainwashing!😟

Something that is not hidden.

I helped you with the simple arithmetic so you can understand still you keep on burying your head in the sand.

Ok i will break it down for honest hearted followers of the thread.

Kumuyi is doing his own business jẹjẹ for Gbagada, Bolaji said he has finished learning the business from Kumuyi who never did any graduation for him instead of Bolaji to move far away so as to gather his own customers he pitched another tent nearest to Kumuyi at just a stone throw.
If Kumuyi say women shouldn't wear makeup Bolaji says it doesn't matter, if Kumuyi say women shouldn't wear trousers Bolaji says it's no wahala, if Kumuyi says women shouldn't wear jewelries Bolaji says it's not the truth.

Gradually members started crossing over to the lighter religions burden of Bolaji.

So if you are deceiving yourself there is no wahala honest hearted and sincere individuals will add 2+2 to know why Kumuyi is annoyed with your guy!🥱

So, what's my own with the two of them? How am I related to their matters?

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ nah business them dey take unah do!

So, una lies don reach this stage? Taking a picture of Pastor Kumuyi and slamming a text on it is now a holy task? Isn't it?

MaxInDHouse:
You don't want the truth otherwise you shouldn't be attending church of a man who ran away from his mentor to start his own business claiming he's harvesting where he never sow!😂

Especially, your lies gave you out.

Which man ran away from his mentor?

You see now. Even your current statement is full of falsehoods.

Truthseeker10:
Oga you claimed you had a superior argument Over AI On the "absence of faith being automatically the present of doubt" and that you would make it apologize to you. Kindly do so and bring the screenshot evidence here. Your failure to do so would prove that your education is lower than AI. Your next response without the Evidence will deserve a BLOCK from me.

Are you AI?

I have AI. If I want to argue with AI, I won't come here. I'm here to teach you the truth, okay? Stop being unserious.

Truthseeker10:
So do that...counter the argument and let it apologize to you.

I'm not here to argue with AI. I'm here to teach you the truth.

Truthseeker10:
Ok....lets see who lacks education here.
Below is your statement: For a living person, the absence of faith is automatically the present of doubt.

Look at the evidence below that shows that you lack education.

So, your doctrine and inspiration is derived from ChatGpt?
😂😂 😂 😂

If you have education, you would know that you can counter ChatGpt with superior reasoning, and it'll come back to apologize to you.

Truthseeker10:
🤣🤣🤣So why have you been arguing against yourself since lack of faith cannot stop the miracle of God from raising a dead person? Does that not tell you that God can work miracle in a person without faith?

You know you died go to school. Since your fake assembly discourages good education. Just keep rolling like a broken fan, I'll continue to bring you back to the fulcrum.

A living person who has no faith will ALWAYS HAVE DOUBT. And that doubt is the negative energy that blocks miracles. Faith is important for a living person because of he lacks faith, he can't lack doubt. For a living person, the absence of faith is automatically the present of doubt. And that's where the problem is.

A dead person has no faith and also has no doubt. He is in the same category as that demon possessed man of Gaddara. That man wasn't in his right mind, and had no ability to ha faith or doubt. Jesus could move on his behalf.

Oftentimes Jesus we hear Jesus say "Do you believe in the only begotten Son of God? Have faith in God. Only Believe. Why did you doubt? Why are yet fearful? Oh ye of little faith! If you believe, you will see the Glory of God. Do not doubt, but believing. Everything is possible to those who believe.

Should I go on?

Even the Angel said to Mary:

Blessed is she that believes for she shall have the thing's that are spoken to her of God.

The Angel says in Luke 1:45: “And blessed is she that believed: [/b]for there shall be a performance[/b] of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Have considered the opposite of this statement?

"Cursed is she that believes not, for there shall not be a performance..."


Why is so much emphasis laid on faith in the Scriptures? That's because by it, and only by it can men do exploits for the Lord. Heaven reigns where faith dwells.

Go read Hebrews 11, and stop feeding on the doctrines of demons.

MaxInDHouse:
This is a lie!
Christianity has everything to do with the congregation that is why Jesus often go to the temple teaching us that there must be an assembly of those doing God's will. Meanwhile God's will is the assignment Jesus gave all his disciples which we must engage in with the rest of our brothers. Matthew 28:19-20


Bolaji Idowu left Deeperlife to start his own business and there is no way members of Deeperlife will accept you as their fellow worshipers even though both churches are in Gbagada.

So stop deceiving yourself if Kumuyi will not approve anyone going to Bolaji Idowu who has changed everything Kumuyi teaches then you and Deeperlifers aren't worshiping the same god! 1Corinthans 1:10

Jesus does not know congregations or denominations. He only knows individuals. Both Kumuyi and his members would start alone individually before God. They won't start before him as Deeper life members. The Rewarder knows His faithful servant. And for emphasis, servant, and not servants. Welcome faithful servant. Not "welcome faithful servants". Every individual servant do himself.

Truthseeker10:
You are arguing against yourself. Below is your statement:
"As long as doubt is out of the way, God can work. "

In the case of a dead person, Is faith not also out of the way? Does that not show that faith is not necessary for God to work?

In the case of a dead person, both faith and doubt are out of the way. God can still work.

Truthseeker10:
Oga it seems that you are not educated enough to understand your position. Your position is that a person must have faith to receive a miracle. But you also claimed that a dead person does not have faith and doubt according to your screenshot below.

So if a dead person does not have faith in you, does your brain also not tell you that a dead person cannot have doubt in you?

Does your brain not also tell you that the absence of doubt in a dead person does not mean that the dead person has the faith needed for a miracle?

Is a dead person in the same condition as a living person?

Are you a dead person to be arguing for the dead? When I said a person must have faith, did I say a dead person just have faith? Can a dead person have doubts! No. As long as doubt is out of the way, God can work.

If faith is unimportant according to your demonic doctrines, why is the Bible always saying to us "Have faith in God". And that statement is the very core is the whole Bible. Yet, demons would have us shut our ears to the doctrine of faith. You worship a fake Jehovah evidently. The true Jehovah sees faith as a MUST for all who come to Him: "

Hebrews 11:6

"And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that He exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him."

I wonder why you make the Bible words my words. You'll see something written in Scriptures, and then tell me "you said". Didn't you see it in the Bible?

MaxInDHouse:
Let's see which church fits into this your description perhaps your own church.

Oya mention the name let's hear.

Remember this is not about personal attitude of some people because most of you always misconstrue personality with faith.

A Buddhist, Hindu, Judaist, Muslim, Traditionalist, Atheist or Agnostic may be nice that doesn't make him a Christian.
A Christian is someone who follows Jesus' disciples in practicing what Jesus commanded. Note the nice Jewish man who walks up to Jesus ready to do what the laws says but felt bad joining Jesus' seemingly jobless followers who keeps going about preaching and teaching as Jesus commanded them.
So it's not about attitude if so most people don't need Jesus they can just be nice as you assume but it has a lot to do with participating in the assignment Jesus handed over to his disciples.
That is what makes JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES unique.

Now mention the name of your own church and please don't go about the anonymous character that anyone can just apply in any kind of religion!🙂

Christianity is an individual thing. A church is just a Congregation of individuals who claim to serve the same God. But God knows those who are His.

I attend Harvesters Church.

MaxInDHouse:
Real Christians are Jehovah's Witnesses while fake are Christendom.

Evidence!
*Real Christians are disciples of Christ that always set times apart to preach and teach in their neighborhood just as Jesus commanded all of them {Matthew 28:18-20} they move as a group but in pairs they approach their audience {Luke 10:1} this is in line with what the scriptures says that two are better than one person. Ecclesiastes 4:9
*Real disciples of Christ believe the same teachings and judge matters the same way using the scriptures. Romans 16:17; 1Corinthans 1:10; 1Peter 3:8
*Real disciples of Christ can't be divided by tribal, racial or national factors {John 17:22} so no matter where a disciples comes from he automatically becomes a member of the family of faith once he gets baptized. Matthew 12:46-50
*Real disciples of Christ believe only in God's kingdom and that is what they preach and teach always {Matthew 3:2; 4:17; 10:7} so they are no part of a world that's divided due to politics! John 17:14-16
*Real disciples of Christ love their neighbors {Mark 12:31} love and pray for their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} and have loyal love for their fellow believers! John 13:34-35
*Real disciples of Christ don't participate in wars because Jesus commanded them not to use weapons to settle issues. Matthew 26:52
*Real disciples of Christ are easily recognized by their faith not sight {2Corinthians 5:7} so you can't know us through a mode of dressing rather it's when you interact with us that you can know what we believe. Act 4:13

All these fits only one group:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Oya use the scriptures to prove how you can distinguish between true and false Christians.

Real Christians do all the above and even more. They walk holy and love righteous while walking in the power of God.

Jehovah Witnesses are fake witnesses with no power or Truth of God's word. They claim Jehovah God but despise His Words.

Truthseeker10:
Oga you need education to be able to think logically.
Look at the screenshot below again and understand that the absence of doubt is not equal to having faith.
Again your logic is flawed.

Is that screenshot your Bible?

If you don't have faith in me to do something for you, what do you have in me Mr logic?

MaxInDHouse:
How do you distinguish between stage managed tricks and real miracles?🙂

I just told you that real miracles happens in our gathering because we know when God decides to intervene in certain events but what you prefer is shows like entertainment.

For your information Jehovah does not perform miracles for entertaining viewers or advertisement rather it's when His worshipers are in need of help that He provides in supernatural ways.

So when i say real miracles do occur in our midst i'm not telling you we will invite you to come and watch our shows o!🥱

You can't even differentiate fake Christians from genuine ones. Which Christian does miracles for show if not a fake one? There are real miracles. You can choose to believe or not to believe. It does not stop God from doing His work.

Truthseeker10:
You are the one who needs the thinking. The argument is if faith is needed by a receiver of miracle. Your argument is that faith is a must. So how does your logic of faith is a must apply in the case of a dead person?

Below in the screenshot is the evidence that your logic is flawed.

Faith is a must for a living person because, in the absence of faith, there'll be doubt. There's no way a living person has neither faith nor doubt. The absence of one is the present of the other.

Think!

Why is Thomas called doubting Thomas? Because he had no faith. In fact , Jesus told him in John 20:27:

"And be not faithless, but believing."

Faithlessness means doubtfulness. And that doubt is a miracle blocker. It displeases God.

Hebrews 11:6
"And without faith it is impossible to please God,"

kingBlaq:
people saying e no reach like suffer, i had to login to clear the narrative

saying 2000 to mile2 without weighing in on time factor, that 2k to mile2 be like 2hrs journey to ikoyi another 1.5hrs

give or take let’s call it 4hrs, remember coming back will take 5 to 6hrs cos of hold up,
imagine spending 10hrs on the road in a day

to make this journey faster, he probably enters bike to mile2, shared bike is 3.5k to 4k and 1person alone is 6k as he won’t see shared bikes all the time, with bike the journey to mile2 is around 45mins

OP over to you
use this info as u wish

Thank you bro.

But I'm sure he doesn't take bikes.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know the difference between God doing something and humans claiming God is doing it?
Guy no dey deceived yourself there's no God that works miracles like Jehovah our God.
Evidence dey yanfu yanfu no be mouth!😂

Yeah, Jehovah is a miracle working God

No evidence that Jehovah God is in your midst.

Truthseeker10:
So how does your above statement counter the fact that faith is not needed to perform a miracle?

If faith is not needed, what is the absence of faith?

Or, are you just arguing for arguments sake?

A dead person has neither faith nor doubt.

A living person who has no doubt has faith.

A living person who has no faith has doubt.

So, think we'll before you respond.

MaxInDHouse:
We don't perform miracles nah that's God's work and He does it whenever He wills so it's not stage managed for cameras to shoot or customers to come and watch!🥱

Stage managed miracles are from Satan's children who parade themselves as children of God.

The fact that God does not do any miracles among you indicates that God is not with you!

Truthseeker10:
You are funny oo....if the dead do not have doubts, do they have faith required for a miracle?

Doubt is the obstruction. And infact, it's a sin.

A dead man has neither faith nor doubt, God can act on him as he can on only other none living objects. Did the clay need to have faith or doubt for God to a man of it?

You're really ignorant. A dead man has no will of himself. God will use do as He pleases with him.

As a living man, you can not have doubt and still have faith. You must have have one of the two. A dead man has nothing. God's mercy is all that matters.

MaxInDHouse:
So if someone leaves his house and go to any of your pastors let such a pastor heal the person because he has acted in faith by coming.
Right?🙂

Yes. It happens. The pastor does never claims he heals but Jesus does. It's not like your dry congregations where you see no miracles. And to you, every miracle claim is false, since your falsehoods and ignorant lives cannot claim any miracle for you.

MaxInDHouse:
So Jesus doesn't need the faith of dead people before he brings them back to life!🥱

Rather, Jesus doesn't want the doubt of living people.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you mention one person in Bible times who went to Jesus and wasn't healed?
Those false prophets are deceiving you people and you're supporting their nonsense.
Jesus won't heal anyone who doesn't come to him but once you leave your house and go to Jesus or call him he will surely heal you.
So stop deceiving yourself these pastors are liars they are using that as escape route when you take real sick people to them apart from their normal actors!🥱

If you go to Jesus for healing, that's already an action of faith.

You are the false prophet if you cannot see from the scriptures I quoted that faith is what Jesus said you must have before you can see the Glory of God.

Truthseeker10:
So the bible claimed that those whom Jesus raised from the dead had faith in him while they were dead?

The dead has neither faith nor doubt. Isn't it? Use your head now. What affects miracles is doubt. Does the dead have doubts?

Truthseeker10:
So Jesus did not perform miracle on anyone that did not have faith in him?

So, your own Bible says Jesus told people not to have faith in Him before performing miracles?

Truthseeker10:
So you're saying that their unbelief rendered Jesus miraculously powerless?

He is 100% correct!

Fath is a channel through which we receive from God. It's not that God is not powerful or that Jesus was miraculously powerless. It means the receiver's channel is blocked. Heaven is sending but the receiver is unable to receive. Those are two different things. You are asking a question that shows how ignorant you are about the Scriptures and the dynamics of faith:

Here are Scriptures that supports the Op's position:

Mathew 13:58 - "And He did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith."

Mark 5:34 - "He said to her, “Daughter, your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be freed from your suffering.”

John 11:40 - "Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?”

Mathew 9:23-24 - "Jesus said to him, “If you can believe, all things are possible to him who believes. Immediately the father of the child cried out and said with tears, “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!”

Luke 58:50 - "But when Jesus heard what had happened, he said to Jairus, “Don’t be afraid. Just have faith, and she will be healed."

Faith is like a door through which heaven's blessings pass into our lives. When we doubt, the door is shut, and as a result, the blessing cannot enter. What healed the woman with the issue of blood was not her touch but her faith. Many people were thronging Jesus but they were not healed. The only person who got healed in that crowd was that woman who ventured the touch of faith. Jesus said to her ", daughter, your faith has healed thee."

The receiver's faith is very important. That's why healing evangelists always preach faith first before praying for the sick. They'll ask you, do you believe? Because if you shut your door through doubt, God will not force it open. Many are unable to receive miracles because of this.