chieveboy:


1: Eckankar teaches you ways to explore the reality behind Paul's statements "...ye are God's" for your self, so that you no longer need to believe it, but know it.



2: It also teaches you that heaven is here and now. Not tomorrow, not yesterday. In fact, no such thing as yesterday or tomorrow but an eternal Now.

If you realize this, you will see the scam and folly in someone threatening you of not going to heaven when you die or that you must accept any man as your savior before you go there.

This is because Man is already existing in the same time in heaven as he is living on earth now. His heavenly bodies which correspond to the heavens themselves are what give life to his physical body. When the link to his heavenly body is severed, the physical body dies.

What keeps him from seeing and knowing this reality is his because he uses the human body which is spiritually dumb by nature and can only see physical things. But he drops this temporarily every night and sees parts of heaven and has experiences there, comes back in the morning and calls it "a dream".

This means man automatically uses the heavenly body the moment he drops the earthly one permanently at death. He doesn't even need to know the word "God" for him to continue life in heaven. Its a default setting that most dead people do not even know that they have died...

So the kingdom of heaven is here and now. It's within you. Not in the skies even according to Jesus when asked when the kingdom of God is coming.

This is why we laugh when you go about the folly of threatening anyone here. We cross the body daily. We don't believe heaven exist. We know it exists. Believers in anything without experiencing it are ignorant and dangerous to themselves.

Smiling.

One day, I repeat, you'll meet the true God, and it's just a matter of time.

SIRTee15:



It's like u don't know that madman U discussing with. There's a reason I stopped debating with him.
My best advice for u in religious section is to avoid him at all cost. He's already an outcast here, few people debate him.
His head is filled with conspiracy junks and desperately looking for where to offload them.
That's how he will be jumping from one topic to another without concluding on any, moving around in circles.
He just want to debate for the sake of it not to prove anything.
Him head no correct at all.

Thanks for the clarification. I guessed as much about him. He even wanted to drag me into unnecessary debates that had nothing to do with the Apostleship of Paul which he queried. Rather than defend his baseless talk, he was referring me to an unintelligent content written by someone like himself on Vanguard.

Maynman:

Dispute ONE, let's see boy. And the person is a fellow Christian like you, so many excuses, let's see your level kid, dispute ONE.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/09/telling-lies-in-gods-name/

Kid, I'll dispute it with you only if you're the author. Otherwise it's your cup of tea to believe the gibberish he wrote.

And hey, no Christian thinks so awkwardly and reads the writings of Paul upside down like that guy did in the link which you now see as your pillar for debates.

Maynman:

The facts is there in the link why not dispute ONE, I'll tutor you boy

Kid, the link contains the warped ideologies of an ignorant Muslim. Are you that Muslim?

Maynman:
listen to your advice boy.

See you fellow man
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/09/telling-lies-in-gods-name/

Take the advice kid. Are you the author of the content on that link? I'll debate the author and not the referrer.

Maynman:

Who told you to take my word for it?

Go and know it yourself.

Why speak the word when you know you cannot defend it?

Maynman:

I was on my own when you quoted me, so what's the problem?

The author of Acts didn't know Any Paul.

Why should I take your word for it? Can't you prove your point?

Maynman:

When was this book written, me writing about Superman does not mean Superman exist. You don't understand your point and your wack logic.

Who made Paul or saul an apostle?
How did Saul change his name to Paul? 😂😂

You are using a forgery book to defend another forgery 😂
Who is the writer of this "Acts of Apostles"
when was it written?

Would you please establish your point with civility without the unnecessary attacks? Answer your own questions if you think any betrter. I am not here to be queried by you.

Maynman:

You said nothing, you brought up a book called "acts of apostle", and I question you on who wrote it, when and where it was written.

You are using a forgery book to defend another forgery 😂
Who is the writer of this "Acts of Apostles"
when was it written?

Whoever the writer of the book is, as long as it's not Paul, my stand remains. My point is that Paul didn't impose himself as an apostle on Christiandom.

Maynman:
Read slowly, The author of Acts never knew any Paul.


What's the correlation. Read your statement.

"I have pointed out to you that the writer of the Acts of Apostles which made Paul popular as an Apostle was not Paul."

You are using a forgery book to defend another forgery 😂
Who is the writer of this "Acts of Apostles"
when was it written?

I'm not here to debate the authorship of the Acts of Apostles. I think you should do the slow reading because I made that clear already.

What makes you question Paul's Apostleship? That's what I'm discussing you. I made that clear too.

And I have also pointed out that Paul didn't declare himself an apostle, someone else wrote that about him. Whether you regard that book as a forgery or not us none of my business. The point is that the Apostleship of Paul and his recognition as such, was not the doing of Paul.

Maynman:

That's not important at all.

Who wrote it?
When was it Written?
Is it Paul or saul that the person mentioned?


The author of Acts never knew any Paul

Is this a digression? I don't understand what you meant by "The author of Acts does not mention any Paul."

First off, are you here to debate the authorship of the book of Acts or the Apostleship of Paul? I have pointed out to you that the writer of the Acts of Apostles which made Paul popular as an Apostle was not Paul. Whoever that person is to you is not my concern. My point is that Paul was not the one who popularized himself as an apostle.

Maynman:

And who wrote Acts?

The important thing is that it wasn't written by Paul.

Maynman:

Who is the someone?

The Book called the Acts of Apostles which majorly featured Paul was not written by him.

kkins25:


Point me to Hebrew scriptures that clearly demonstrated the Trinity. Please stop directing me to your Greeko-roman aka European Fathers..

Schoary consensus is that Paul did write, or at least, narrated most of the letters bar the book of Hebrews. Other letters/Epistles had been updated by anonymous folks too though. So, no one knows for sure.

In most of the writings, Paul alludes to himself in greetings at the beginning and end of the epistles. And when you look at the language and styles of the letters, they all rhyme. I do not even need to see a name on a book before I'll know that Paul wrote it because I'm familiar with hhs writings because of the rhyme.

However, the guy wasn't actually talking about Paul's writings. He was questioning who made Paul an apostle.

chieveboy:


I will take this as a Golden Tongue Wisdom



There is really no "Time" as it where. Whatever exists is existing here and now.



Good.

With God, time is irrelevant in His realm. But as a man, you still have tomorrow, and many days to come.

chieveboy:


The height of ignorant arrogance is how a worshipper of the two-headed God is threatening a student of the Mahanta with hell and damnation.

It's like that. Everyone with an experience thinks he's the one with knowledge until he is disproved.

chieveboy:


Oh no, that prophecy is already fulfilled my friend. I am IN God everyday. At no time was I ever separated

No man can exist outside of God's 100% love.

No height, no dept, no ignorance can separate me or ANYONE else wether they believe in God or not from this reality.

Man however had hidden this truth to create an avenue for subjugation and misleading man from this truth for personal reasons.

This is what sets true spirituality apart from Satanic doctrines. This is why religions prefer ignorance and fear.

Thank God I am an ECKist! 🙏🙂

You'll meet the true God man. It's just a matter of time. I understand where you're talking from.

Minsk24:

Christainity and feeling of supremacy, so laughable

It's actually laughable because you feel superior.

chieveboy:

Of course IT does. What do you think is playing out currently?



I read such books too as a Christian back in 1999 or thereabout.

The path of ECK however grants me the grace to rise above Fear and Ignorance which Christianity is based on into the Light and Sound of God.



Careful praying for people without their permission though...you may run into hardships. It is white magic to do so, and invariably black magic.

Some day, you would meet God. That's not a prayer. It's a prophecy. It would come to pass in God's time.

Maynman:

All this are nonsense.
Let's discuss Paul, if Dem born your papa well, im not begging, i want to expose your IGNORANCE.
How did Paul become an apostle?

What ignorance do you wish to expose about Paul? Paul didn't write about himself, someone else did.

I learnt that Mohammed's father was a priest of the moon god in mecca, and that Mohammed was supposed to be his successor. Indeed Mohammed succeeded in exporting his father's idol to the rest of the world.

chieveboy:


Interestingly, when a Christian says this, they meant that as some form of a curse .

They wish pain and suffering, or intend to run one into some emotional culdesac, hoping that the fear will lead to a subscription to their faith.

Truly, I am in the Kingdom of Satan as far as this earth is concerned .





Don't worry na...

"in Christianity" as if when Christians come together to misunderst something, they then are inexplicably excluded from consequences of Karma

You remind me still of the Ostrich burying its head in hay yo escape an approaching lion .

Karma touches you regardless of what you believe or don't believe my friend.

If you like, exhaust the whole blood of Jesus on your head, whatever you sow, you must reap.




You can quote all the scriptures that made its way to the bible, then add the one they didn't add.

Whatever you sow, you reap it! No one can save you from it. It's that simple. You can't mock God with any scripture or any blood.

Man, God still has a plan for your life. Your present interaction with Eckankar is ephemeral. Just like how God saved Iyke Nathan Uzorma who wrote the book Occult Grandmaster Now in Christ, God will save you too some day in His time.

Righthussle:


What is miraculous about gullible people believing and living by what they read in a storybook ? Enjoy your religion Oga. Read your storybook everyday, do everything it says and maybe you'll be rewarded with the endless life after you die as it is written in the book.

Let me remind you that I do not practice religion. I'm in fellowship. And if you don't know what fellowship means, use a dictionary. Religion is all about belief. Fellowship is all about knowing, and 'knowing' comes by encounters.

Righthussle:


You don't sound that intelligent to discover God (if there's anything like that) yourself without a storybook. To people like you what is good is not what you think is good, it's what your storybook says is good.

Let me stop here before you start quoting Genesis and Leviticus.

You're talking off point.

You were describing my discovery of God as though you knew exactly how it came to be. I'm asking you whether that type of thinking looks intelligent to you.

It's not intelligent to discover God. It's a miracle. So, don't get yourself worked up on that.

And whatever I consider good isn't your business, neither is it the focus of this discourse.

Righthussle:

How can you say you know a god when everything you know about the god is through a silly story book written, put together and distributed by a money making organisation? You're practicing an organized religion Oga. What you read inside the book is what you do ?

You don't think, you just believe and do what the book says like Zombies.

You don't know how I know God and yet you've written a whole lot of gibberish describing my knowledge of God from your warped imagery. Does that sound intelligent to you?

Righthussle:


Funny guy! How did you meet god? I know it's certainly through that silly book that was brought to you by your colonisers.

If a silly book helps you meet God, then, it's no longer a silly book.

Righthussle:


Oga shift abeg. You're a confused fellow. The storybook you call "holy book" that you read every day was created and distributed by the organisation that created your religion.

You lack understanding.

Religion was orchestrated by man because he lost God. It's a futile attempt to rediscover God but God in His mercy still reveals Himself to the humble through religion. Once you meet God, you'll see the need to move past religion into fellowship. Many are trapped in religion and those trapped folks are the basis of your own atheistic belief because they're more than those who enjoy fellowship.

KnownUnknown:


So is god. You even gave it a gender.

No bro.

God is real. He invited us to fellowship. Not religion. I know He's real because I fellowship with Him.

Righthussle:
Because a whole lot of people are making huge money from religion.

God didn't call us to religion. He called us to fellowship. Religion is a man made thing.

Greenholics:


I think there are 2 reasons why most Muslims are just going with the flow even after discovering the truth about the so called religion.

1) indoctrination from childhood 99% of Muslims are born into it, and as kids they all go to those Islamic schools ( some full time some during weekend) here they are taught to memorize the Quran repeatedly told how good and wonderful their prophet is ….all their lives they are told that Muhammad is a good, holy and best if all humans ever created, the bran washing is so much that even if they see a verse in the Quran or Hadith that speaks of some evils done by Muhammad they either totally ignored the verse or they make excuses for themselves that they can’t understand the verses on their own accord they need a sheik to do the explaining for them ( the same sheik or scholar that have been brain washing them for child hood)


2. The 2nd reason is talking bad of Islam or leaving Islam is a crime punishable by death, in the western world where the police force are very efficient and killing an apostate isn’t possible they family and friends of such person will totally cut them of…… and these are laws in Islam everybody knows ….. and nobody wan die!

So they just keep going with the crowd…. Keeping appearances

This is pathetic.

It is a known fact that all cults use fear to control their adherents. And anyone who leaves the cult must be killed. It is Satan's way of keeping people perpetually in bondage against their will.

Too much nonsense from that religion.

Greenholics:



He is a sick man, very sick man….. there are verses of him masturbating and also of him housing a gay man, verse of him cross dressing ….. let’s not even talk about the verse he said came from Allah that any woman that wants him should come to his house that he is allowed to have them all, but when ugly ladies started coming to him, he said Allah gave him another verse that he can reject of post-phone their appointment for s3x to anytime he ( muhammed) wants ….. do we talk about how ur used magic to make his son private part, hurt him anytime the dude want to be intimate with his wife and later made the boy divorce her so he could have her? What about where he said any Muslim lady he likes (he eyes falls on) the husband MUST divorce her immediately so he (muhammed ) could have her.

And yet the say this is the best human of all mankind ….. something has to be fundamentally wrong with any person that decide to be a muslim


As for those born into it (98% of Muslims) I really feel sorry for them, cos it is leave islam and die …. Or the person family will disown him/her…. So it’s is really difficult place to be born into……. If this didn’t a cult, I don’t know what a cult is.

I've never seen a sicker man than that Mohammed. All his thoughts are centered on sex on earth and sex in heaven. I don't even know that he used magic on his son. Why are Muslims so deceived? Can't they open their eyes for once?