Khallicopyro:

Why wait till after his death before exposing him? Because he won't be here to defend himself

He committed suicide when he heard that his ex disciples were being interviewed by BBC. Get yourself updated.

AgentNairaland:
It's just a pity that the man of God is dead.. See many years prophecy coming to pass after his death

He knew he was going to be exposed because he was aware that his ex disciples have submitted accounts of their ordeals in his synagogue to BBC. He committed suicide because he heard that BBC was about to release the report of the investigation. He was a satanist. He was never a man of God.

1TrippleCee:
Ofcourse, the evidences are water tight and only irrational would dare to argue that TB Joshua is a satanist, a core occultic warlock and sharman.


The likes of Joshua Iginla and Jeremiah Fufeyin have taken in his foot steps. These men are core occultic men masquerading as propbets


Argue with The Bible that clearly states that satan presents himself as an angel of light. The exposee below had exposed Joshua, Iginla, Uebert Angel, Shepherd Bushiri, Passion Java, Emmanuel Makadinwa as false prophets for a very long time

You need to add Odumeje to the list.

Hurbashola:
Victor Ad Share Testimony Video Of How T.B Joshua Anointing Oil Heal His Mother


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKGLE509C4w

2021 video of singer Victor AD SHARING TESTIMONY of how anointing water healed his mother

Amidst rumors of being a fake prouphet, popular singer Victor AD speaks up in defense of the late TB Joshua as he recounts how the clergyman healed him and his mother of their ailments and how he cared for them when they had no shelter

While many have opined that the miracles were false after all and the clergyman fake, Victor AD has utilized his own experience to debunk the claim adding that TB healed him of skin disease when he was 6 years old and his mother’s hand which was meant to be amputated was healed.
In addition to his sister’s blindness also being healed, he revealed that TB Joshua gave them a place to stay when they were homeless, and cared for their needs

False prophets are satanic agents who mimic the miracles of true men of God to win gullible souls for Satan. Miracles are never a yardstick for measuring true ministries.

That's why TB Joshua's miracles were for show. No true man of God does miracles for show.

epainos:

Search for the videos of Oyakhilome and T.B. Joshua were doing yeye miracles together. The videos are online.

Thank you.

TB Joshua was never a man of God. He used occultic power to deceive many people. We have warned people several times about TB Joshua. Here on Nairaland, ignorant people would abuse you in defence of TB Joshua just because he distributes bags of rice and pay some people's school fees.

When he was alive, ignorant people said Adeboye, Oyedepo and other ministers of God don't relate with TB Joshua because they were envious of his success. They even berated these men of God for not condoling with TB Joshua's family when he died.

It's a pity when people don't have spiritual discernment. I can say confidentially that those members of Joshua's church who worship regularly in the satanic synagogue are already demonized. They'll actually need deliverance from a true man of God to be free. Oyakhilome started well, but he corrupted himself during those few moments he interacted with TB Joshua. Pray for spiritual discernment, otherwise, you're already lost.

epainos:

Use YouTube and Google.

Who doesnt know T.B. Joshua in those days?

But I respect him ....how he polished his English....those white around him did a good job.

Oyakhilome is another as.shole. all those healing school....jerry curl hair...and bla bla bla...demons. i dont know how people believe these guys. Oyakhilome started well...but he is into deep demonic manifestation these days.

I don't know much about Oyakhilome. But I knew him in his early days to be a true man of God. These days, I don't even know what he does. But TB Joshua has been known to be a satanist from the beginning.

epainos:
Lol..

It is not too late to get a DNA sample from Joshua's graveyard to prove us all wrong.

I said it many times....the old videos of Joshua are out there where he displayed his magic openly. Lol. Guy man saw that he would make more money with another strategy; so he rebranded himself.

I repeat...you need to check your head if you keep saying Joshua is innocent...or you have asked why BBC is just releasing the videos. The story we heard was that he poisoned himself when he realised the BBC had started the interview. How can he get out of it? The old videos are there na. I dont care if he poisoned himself or not. T.B. Joshua is fake...period.

You are a f.ool if you still attend his church.

Please post links to the old videos. Let the evil msn be exposed.

Beazayop:
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Tamarah:
In the wake of the British Broadcasting Corporation’s (BBC) release of a comprehensive two-year investigation into the late Nigerian pastor Temitope Joshua, also known as TB Joshua, the Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN) finds itself under scrutiny for its deafening silence on the matter.

READ MORE: https://www.primebusiness.africa/cans-suspicious-silence-on-tb-joshua-documentary/

The documentary delves into disturbing allegations of sexual assault, physical abuse, faked miracles, and trauma suffered by over 25 individuals who were once followers of the renowned founder of the Synagogue Church of All Nations (SCOAN).

Temitope Joshua, born in 1963, had risen to prominence as one of Africa’s most influential religious leaders. His SCOAN, a 12-storey building in Lagos State, became a global phenomenon, drawing followers from around the world with promises of miraculous healings.

CAN never accepted TB Joshua into its membership because they knew who he was. That's the same reason most men of God didn't associate with him when he was alive. He wasn't a man of God. When he died, most men of God didn't condole with his family. People we're running their mouths against the men of God back then. Now, the truth is out, they're still foolishly trying to associate them with TB Joshua. TB Joshua was a satanist.

AbuTwins:


Allah is capable of doing all things and He does things that befits His majesty!

Lies and deception does not befit the majesty of anybody. A god who lies and deceives has no majesty.

Can you see how Allah the deceiver is working through you to deceive the world by quoting the scriptures upside down ?

And your Lord is a great deceiver

[quote Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."[/quote]

Deceitfully taken out of context. Here, jeremiah was lamenting to God when God gave him words of judgement against Jerusalem. Meanwhile Jeremiah had heard other prophets prophesying peace. He responded to God that God has deceived the people in reference to the prophecies of the other prophets which contradicted what God was now telling him about the future of Jerusalem. To this God replied: "I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. Jeremiah 23:21.

It was then made clear to Jeremiah that false prophets prophesied in God's name. God didn't deceive the people.

We have it in...

1 Kings 22:20-22

God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place? Isn't that entrapment?

Another deceptive by the Al-makr, Allah the deceiver through his slave Abutwins.

Ahab was a very wicked king who committed so many bloodshed and led Israel to worship idols instead of the living God. God was done waiting for Ahab to repent. It was time to bring Ahab to judgement and give Israel another king. God wanted Ahab to die in battle because he lived by his sword and must therefore die by his sword. Ahab didn't want to go to battle himself and since God cannot deceive (that ability is not in Him). A spirit of Satan offered to do the work of deception to lure Ahab into battle. Ahab was successfully enticed and died in battle at the same spot where he killed Naboth whose vineyard he had snatched.

This teaches us that, once your cup of wickedness is full, God would do everything possible to bring you to judgement. God didn't punish Ahab for anything He enticed him to do. God punished Ahab for the sins he had committed and for which he had been severally warned. He never repented in spite of the several warnings.

Another passage...

Isaiah 37:6-7

A spirit spread a rumour that there was war that needed the attention of the king of Assyria who was at that time entering Israel to battle. The only job the spirit did was to spread the rumour. The rumour was true. The king of Assyria returned and abandoned his attack against Israel to go and face the war. He went and fought against Lachish who at the time of the rumour was warring against Assyria. Again the deceiver is using his slave to deceive people about what really happened here.

Another example from the Bible...

Isaiah 19:14

Lies from the deceiver again.

God punished a people by allowing the spirit of dizziness upon them. As a result they stagger and were as drunken men. How is this a deception? What correlation as dizziness with deception? Allah's slave must deceive like his god.

J

ohn 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Can you tell me how figurative speaking translates to deception? Slave of Allah the best of deceivers, a figure of speech is not the same as a deceptive speech. Jesus spoke in parables because the deep things of God's Kingdom are meant only for those who seek it. If you really need God, come closer to Him and dig deeper. God's gold is never for swines. That's the only way to have genuine repentance.

Also in...

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

So God will delude people so that they can believe lies?

The slave of Allah the best of deceivers has taken another scripture out of context. This scripture is talking about people who have consistently resisted the truth. Just like you have been doing. Since they hate the truth, God would eventually leave them to themselves and allow the emergence of the antichrist who opposes anything that is called Truth. These people who hate the truth would immediately accept the lies of the antichrist to their own destruction.

Repent, o slave of Allah the best of deceivers. If you fail to do so, you'll continue to be deluded as you are today until the end comes. Understand that no sinner shall inherit the Kingdom of God.

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This statement ironically defines you and all the ignorant statements and assertion you've been making here. You recall how you thought Eckankar was a person or deity ?

I don't expect you to say otherwise. I've met many occults whose eyes only became opened after they met Jesus. While in the occult, they were proud and thought they know more than 'ignorant Christians'. You'll continue to say things like these until you encounter Jesus.

Why should I deny lol? Here again, you displayed stark ignorance of the whole point Jesus was trying to make his followers know which is that they are actually mini God. He expressly stated "...Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" (John 10:34).

I do not deny the point Jesus made. You don't understand the statement Jesus made, do you? Jesus was quoting from Psalm 82:6-7. The sons of God are gods because God can only beget God even as man can only beget man. But the godship of God's sons does not make them objects of worship. Of course they're honoured and revered in the realm of the spirit. The main point here is dominion and spiritual authority.

I am sure you didn't make sense of that scripture. Your lot don't do well with understanding, they prefer religious/emotional banditry...

Perhaps you need to really study the Bible well and get the spirit of the letter and not the other way round.

You're gradually jumping out of your skin. And, I actually like that.

I didn't make sense of that scripture, yet, you couldn't counteract me at all. If I didn't make sense, then you'll have raised objections. You know I made sense because as I posited, no matter how nice a king is, he'll have both prisons and banqueting halls. God is both King and Judge. He has a reward system and the tokens of the rewards for both the Righteous and the Wicked are with Him.

Hahahaha, this is most hilarious. You sound like if you label anything satanic, I will scamper and hide .

Here is something you should do instead, go look for a big mirror. A very big one. Now stand before it and have a good look. Whatever you see is actually the "Satanic", it is what you should be casting actually.

Perhaps, you scampered and wanted to hide by hearing the word 'satanic'. Or what could have made you think that was my intention? I don't know how you arrived at that reasoning since I was just talking to you freely. And I say again, Satan is behind the cult called Eckankar. Your Eck masters are demons. Fallen angels.

Yes, explain again because you never did. Screenshot and attach if you ever did.

Heck I doubt if you even can because you have serially demonstrated phenomenal levels of lack of comprehension of the Bible for starters not mention teaching it. Like I said, you kind do well in spiritual/religious banditry however.

Now go back and read me again. I am tired of explaining and explaining again to you that God is a King and a Judge. Even a nice human judge can sentence a law breaker to death (depending on the law broken and its severity). Yes, a death sentence is an evil thing. Whenever it happens, do we call the judge an evil judge? Would you call a king an evil king for having banqueting halls and dungeons? Any god that cannot judge the Righteous and the Wicked is not the Creator of this world, I repeat.

You remind me of a friend back in school. If it's about praying funny and noisy prayer, you will think he is Zebrudaya the prophet, but Emeka come and preach, he couldn't quote any scripture.

I also asked you what you personally know about the doctrines or anything else about Eckankar, clearly you don't know any!!!. So from what information are you attacking it? Answer is speculation and lots of ignorance. Yikes!

I'm not here to quote scriptures to you because you don't believe the Bible. If you believe the Bible, you wouldn't be calling the Almighty God the two headed God. For your information, God is not two headed. That's another lie sold to you by Eckankar. God created man in His own image. If man is not two headed who was created in God's image, God cannot be two headed. Everything I've said about Eckankar here are things I picked from your own posts. Do I need to enter your gatherings before I discuss the truth with you?

I never said Eckankar is God. Would you please quote where I said that? It was never so said, neither was it implied. Eckankar draws people to itself on the platform of providing deep insights, knowledgeable and sound philosophy about life. You are asked to buy seemingly knowledge imparting books as an allurement for your inquisitive mind. Everything looks normal and harmless until you get dragged into the metaphysical world where you start relating with spirits of darkness. Once they take over your soul, it becomes almost impossible for you to embrace the truth any more. You're in that state right now. You need a miracle from Jesus to become free again.

AbuTwins:


Then Israel were Muslims!
Adam, Noah, Moses and Abraham are not Israelites!

Abraham gave birth to Isaac who is the father of Jacob called Israel!

And all of them were Muslims not Christians!

Please be corrected.

They were merely Hebrews. Judaism entered Israel through Moses. They never ever heard the name 'Allah' all their lives.

AbuTwins:


Big lie! Big deceit!

Are you this ignorant?

Quote Quran 3:54 where Allah called himself Al-makr (the deceiver), let's see how you'll fair.

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Smiling.

I have observed in this world that people know only within the parameters of their experiences. The ignorant do think he knows until he's proven otherwise.

From our discussions, you've made reference to human godship severally. Are you saying it wasn't Eckankar that thought you so? Or you want to live in denial? All satanic religions give man some sense of godship. All what you call spirit guides and masters are all demons. I dwell in the Light and can tell you that categorically because I deal with demons. I cast them out of people in the mighty name of Jesus. What I'm saying to you is out of love for your soul. You've been deceived my brother.

I have explained Isaiah 45:7 severally in previous posts. I'm sure you're either not reading my responses or demons are working willy nilly to immediately steal the information from your heart.

You want me to explain Isaiah 45:7 again for the umpteenth time?

AbuTwins:
I love Islam!
Islamic state uses Shari'a law. And in that law islam is the state law. You can't be against the state law!

It's the only religion accepted for eternal life!
It's the religion of all Prophets from Adam, Noah, Moses, Abraham and all their descendants!

May the peace of Allah be on them all!

That's a whole lot of deception up there. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and all the prophets of Israel knew no entity called Allah.

AbuTwins:


Who is that true God except Allah?

Allah is the best of deceivers. He even termed himself so. The Bible says, Satan is a liar from the beginning.

Kobojunkie:
Nope! I am not a doctor.

So, you think you know better than the doctors? Maybe jaephoenix has something to say.

It's absolutely foolish to be godless.

Kriximpecable:
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Tomorrow, your mum shall receive the help of God in Jesus name.

Relax. This too shall pass.

Chummynoni:
is this how you will continue to live your life, being stupid?

He's an occult man. He knows what he's saying. But God is greater than him.

chieveboy:


Before Isaiah 45:7 was written, Eckankar knows who Jehova truly is.

Now that your eyes are clearly you want to really start asking serious questions about what you think you knew .


I rest my case.

Eckankar knows whom Jehovah truly is but Eckankar would lie to you about Jehovah the same way Nathan Uzorma was lied to before Christ arrested him after which he wrote the book 'Occult Grandmaster Now in Christ'. The devil, the entity behind Eckankar would do all in his power to turn your back against the true God. His tactics have been the same from the beginning. He tries to let you see yourself as the god of yourself while you deny your Creator and give honour to spirit beings whom God has made lesser than you. Did he not say the same thing to Eve? "If you eat this fruit, your eyes shall be opened (you would be enlightened), and you would be as gods...' It's the same old tactics. Nothing new. By preaching enlightenment and the opportunity to become a god to you, he steals you away from your Maker while also maligning your Creator unto you, denying His Godship and making a mockery of His love.

God loves you nonetheless. No matter what Eckankar has told you, if you spread your hands to Jesus today, you would know the true God for yourself and discover that He is far fetched from all those things you have heard about Him.

Allah cannot cast anyone to hell. He has no such powers. The only punishment he can give non-muslims is to use his slaves to kill them. After that, there's nothing he can do.

The true God would wait for you to repent even in your state of apostasy, and if you don't repent, He'll cast you to hell when you die. He doesn't need anyone to strike off anybody's head.

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1. Stop sugar quoting the words. To disapprove of something to the extent of chastising a child about it means you actually dislike what the child is doing. You hate it. Do you disapprove of murder, armed robbery or infidelity? You actually hate them. Don't tell me you're simply not in agreement with those vices. You'll probably give up all you have to ensure your children don't do any of such . And you hate your excreta as well. I'm sure you wouldn't want it anywhere near your plate of food. This back and forth is unnecessary. It is very clear that emotions have context. And by their context, they could either be good or bad.

2. Again, hate, jealousy and anger are emotions defined within their contexts. Stop pretending you don't know. You were jealous over your wife, that's why you thought she might be done with her marriage to you a d so much leave in peace. You saw also the good that can be derived from destruction when destroying the unpleasant to plant the pleasant. And of cause anger too can be used as a motivational force to right wrongs. Hate the evil but love the good. The emotions are only defined within contexts and you have been unable to disprove me contextually.

3. Eckankar did not write Isaiah 45:7 but deceitfully interpreted it. I have given you the right interpretation. A nice King, no matter how nice he is, would have both prisons and banqueting halls. A king is a judge in his own land. How much more the King of kings? The judge of the whole earth has light for the law keepers and darkness for law breakers. Good for those who do well, a evil for the evil workers.

4.

You're funny. We're saying using anger, hate, jealousy and envy to conduct or perpetrate an act is what amounts to "evil". In your next response, please Get yourself a dictionary and give us the definition of Evil, Jealousy, Hate, Envy and Anger.

If you're saying using jealousy, anger and hate to perpetrate an act is evil, then you're talking within specific contexts. Now, within a specific context of rebuilding your home, you have see
the positive sides of destruction. Myy argument with you are based on jealousy, anger and hate alone because these 3 have contextual derivations just like destruction. Unlike Evil and Envy whose contexts are 100% unacceptable.

5.

Ordering mass murder even by man's standard over jealousy, anger or hate is babaric. It's more so if you consider that he created the very evil (Isaiah 45:7) he is murdering people over. What's the idea?

Would you show me proof that the Almighty God did this? Give me biblical accounts where God Almighty ordered mass murders over jealousy, anger and hate.

Man does evil out of his own volition. God never said He created evil. Stop reading the Bible upside down. 'I the Lord do all these things' is not the same as 'I the Lord created all these things '. God was talking about what He does to the righteous and wicked. He wasn't talking about what He created.

6.

Man in civilized and spiritually matured setting gave the freedom of worship and belief to all.

Man does not own the world as well as his own breath. He's free to worship whosever he wills to worship but in the end he'll be accountable to the 'He' who created the Universe and owns it. He'll be accountable to the One who gave him the breath of his nostrils.

Again, any god that cannot judge the righteous and the wicked is not the Creator of this world and therefore does not deserve to be worshipped.

chieveboy:


1:

While you don't seem to understand that Jealousy, envy, hate, strife and such all originate from Anger and Greed, and consequently evil in themselves, you further seem to mistake the act of destroying something for Anger. Subtle as it is, the thin line which makes all the difference between constructive destruction and that done with anger is found in the Feeling.

No. You're muddling up my points. You're either not getting me or pretending not to. My position about destroying something stems from your argument against 'destruction', and I have proven to you that destruction is not evil in itself just as anger, hate and jealousy. Now in this response, you seem to be aligning with the fact that destruction is not entirely evil. So is anger and hate. You've already failed the jealousy test in a previous post where you complained that 'if your woman is tired of the marriage, she should leave peacefully'. You didn't seem to realize that the talk about her leaving you because a man touched her stems from jealousy. I'm sure you understand my points but you seem to be arguing only for the purpose of winning. Jealousy itself is the force that makes you defend your woman against an aggressor. It's good from your wives perspective as she'll appreciate the defence. To the aggressor, you're bad for not allowing him fulfil his negative intent upon your woman.

The same goes for anger. It's a motivational force that can make you rise against unfavorable situations and turn them around for good. These emotions need the right channelling, otherwise they'll lead to disasters.

[quite]While taking down my house for a better one, I feel pride, fulfilment and positive hope for a better one. If I was provoked and was to use a caterpillar on the house, it's a different thing.

What you will hardly see is the type of energy I was generating while performing in any of the two emotional qualities I listed earlier. Is the emotion negative or positive? That's the defining line.

Now, you're coming to terms with my position. You don seem to understand that you love something because you actually hate something else. The reason why you love fresh air is because you hate heat. You can be angry when things are not right. The anger motivates you and gives you the impetus to turn wrong things aright. So also is destruction. You destroy evil so that good may reign.

With the above I can chastise an erring child in a state of one or two of the qualities Eckankar proposes vis :Patience, Detachment and Rightful Discrimination. This is love invariably.

But, why chastise a child if you do not hate what the child is doing? You chastise the child because you love the child and hate the wrong things the child is doing.

If you wonder why anger is totally discouraged, it's about what it does to your spiritual bodies. You immediately fall from grace spiritually to a particular part of heaven where immature (evil) souls dwell. These are the demons as referred to by the church.

Before you know it, a "righteous anger" (as you will have) it is being sponsored by a discarnate entity without your knowledge. Do it another time and you form a hidden bond with that entity. The picture is this: any base emotion (jealousy,hate,strife, envy) automatically places you at the lowest wrung of the spiritual ladder. This is where the Shakaus and Osamas are found if you visit.

You're talking about habitual irresponsible emotions. The type of emotions you described above are contextual.

For example, I don't get angry at people who hurt me. I have found myself increasingly moving in love towards people, no matter what they might have done to me. I actually forgive people ever before they say 'I'm sorry" because I know it does me a lot of good to shun hate and release forgiveness. And I can do this by the power of the Holy Ghost.

However, all the aforementioned emotions are natural and can only be defined within specific contexts. They are not entirely evil in themselves except envy.

Excuse me. We actually know the one you're referring to above as the 'Two-headed God', the God of good and evil. We know him as the school master of the lower worlds of creation.

He is both the drummer and dancer that church is fighting and praying to if you know what I mean. There is a name you call either of his two heads/sides in church while requesting or binding.

The scripture I was trying to quote and hear from you about is actually Isaiah 45:7. It actually corroborates Eckankar's knowledge of him that I highlighted here.

This is why I shake my head at you when you keep promoting him to me.

Contrary to what Eckankar told you about the Creator of the universe in relation to Isaiah 45:7, I have given you a heads-up to make you see the lie in Eckankar's version. You've not answered the questions I asked you regarding this section of the discussion. Would call a judge evil for condemning a law breaker to prison?

Now if you say the Lord ordered mass murder, who are those concerned? The righteous or the wicked? Is it wrong for God to judge evil doers?

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Jesus preached to bless those who curse you...and turn the other cheek. To win an argument, you today are telling us evil can be used as far as it defeats evil which I have not heard before.

Can you show me exactly where I said evil can be used as far as it defeats evil? Please quote where I said that. Why twisting my words?

We were talking about the emotions of Anger, Hate and Jealousy, and I'm showing you that these emotions are not entirely evil in themselves. Their contexts matter. Are we discussing the subject of Evil or of those 3 emotions?

Jesus was actually teaching you the only successful way of dealing with the five deadly passions which Eckankar highlighted as :lust, anger, greed, attachment and vanity. Respectively, the only tool that deals with them are: rightful discrimination, tolerance, contentment, detachment and humility.

Using anger to attempt solving any issues is adding fuel to fire. Even as humans, we have tried it severally and proved anger solves nothing, jealousy, envy had never solved any problem but compounds it. If I was very jealous because a man held my wife, I was using the wrong approach.

If she is done with the relationship emotionally which is okay, a spiritually mature person will peacefully allow her make the decision to go while maintaining their sanity. This infact is always expected of any relationship and parting ways is no sin while remaining together is spiritual poisoning . Sadly, Christianity doesn't take account of this reality. Jealousy is what leads to the pouring of hot water on a cheating spouse and such. It characteristically compounds a problem.

Did you listen to what you just said now? Perhaps you don't know that your reasoning that "if she is done with the relationship, it's okay, a spiritually mature person would let her go peacefully" is a reasoning stemming from jealousy? Since you're not jealous, I don't expect you to even consider that she might be done with the relationship. Let's stop deceiving ourselves.

You've avoided the question that has to do with the attacker of a child in his father's presence. We do what Jesus taught us a Christians. The truth is that, to rise against evil, you need to unleash some emotions in their acceptable measures. Let me ask you another question. If you were to be the president of a country, what would you do if another country invades yours and start unleashing terror upon your citizens?

Meanwhile I have not heard from you about Isiah 45:7. I told you the deity you are advertising to me is the embodiment of evil. What do you say?

Yeah, Isaiah 45:7 is real in our world today. Have you not heard? "Say unto the righteous, it shall be well with him... Say unto the wicked, it shall be I'll with him..."

God has Light for the righteous and darkness for the wicked. He reserves Good for the righteous and Evil for the wicked. He who owns the earth where both the Righteous and the Wicked dwell must be able to judge and reward righteousness while also recompensing wickedness. Any God who cannot judge the the Righteous and the Wicked is not the Creator. God has both in his hands the same way an earthly ruler has banquets and prisons. Would you call a ruler evil if he imprisons a murderer? Are prisons good places? Your attitude as a human or spirit will determine your own reward. God would wait patiently for the wicked to repent but one day, he'll be brought to judgement.

God would never do evil to righteous people. Far be it from Him.

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I did, you simply missed it. Amber gives birth to jealousy and envy which are sisters.

Wrong! Anger does not always give birth to jealousy. It depends on the circumstances. It is right to be angry against evil or even against things that are wrong.
A parent can be justifiably angry with an incorrigible and wayward child. It's that your conclusive generalization for me. You didn't answer my questions regarding what your position would be if you were the father of a child who honours another father, or the husband of a woman being cuddled by another man, or even the father of a child under attack by an assailant. You've been evasive.

These emotions can be either right or wrong. It depends on how and why they are unleashed.

They are not, and here goes the whitewashing again. Anger never produces any good. It is a destructive force. It springs from the negative polarity of the life force.

It's a destructive force of cause. But destruction is not always evil. If it destroys wickedness and evil, it does a good job. It does a bad job if it destroys the good. There are always things to be preserved, things to build, and things to destroy. What do you do to the things you have inside your dustbin, don't you destroy them? Is their destruction evil? You're making me believe that Eckankar wants to assume that all things are perfect and that there are no anomalies at all. If that's the case it's pure deception. In this physical world, anomalies exist, and there are emotions put in place by God that motivate people to correct anomalies. Infact, we destroy forests and all obstacles to make way for our farmlands, roads and buildings. Let's embrace balance when philosophizing. Destruction is not always evil.

Maybe I should talk physics so you will understand. The negative pole of anything came only function as one. If it produces positive charges, then it's not negative bit positive. It cannot be the two at once.

And by physics, I'll want you to understand that the interworking of both positive and negative charges is what produces useful effects. Positive poles or positive charges are useless alone because they can't produce anything. The same applies to the negative poles and charges. All emotions have their rightful uses in our world. The excessive or abusive use of them is what causes a problem. That's why the Bible says "Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger. Ephesians 4:26.

The Eckankar philosophy about Anger, Hate and Jealousy is not a balanced position without due respect to context .

chieveboy:


In Eckankar, we know that the the Lord of the negative worlds tests souls via five deadly passions:

Anger
Attachment
Greed
Lust
Vanity

When you wander into the heavens and find any being who exhibits any of the above, know that you are before Satan or It's agent. It's very simple. Infact, the Lord of the lower worlds tests souls using one or all of the above negative virtues.

There is no excuse whatsoever for exhibiting any of the above, and Paul was spot-on about it. It was funny when you tried to white-wash jealousy and anger just so you can paint black white.

God or anyone has no business whatsoever with any of those negative traits. You can only fool people with the title "God" "Pastor" "believer", etc, your fruits however exposes who and what you really are.

This is what sets Eckankar apart!

I wasn't doing any whitewashing. You already got my point, that's why you didn't care to answer the questions raised.

Those things are like money, you can use it to do both good and evil. So, without context, you cannot really categorize those forces. If you're talking of anger, hate, envy and jealousy in terms of habitual manifestations, then, we're on the same page. Anyone who is habitually angry, envious, jealous or hateful is evil. The Almighty God does not personify those evil traits. He's love personified and all His children are commanded to be like Him. Are you telling me that you never get angry? There's nothing you hate in life (You don't hate murder, infidelity, cheating, etc) ? You'll not be jealous of your wife if you see another man cuddle her? You can't paint these forces any colour without talking of context except you're referring to habitual manifestations and tendencies.

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For it's own reasons, Christians and Orthodox religion teach themselves that those who don't believe in their Prophet are children of the devil (Gods enemies). That God is burning them up for that. If anything, all you have been telling me since is that God is my enemy and I his.

This is actually a wrong understanding of Christian doctrines.

God loves the world, and in demonstration of that love, He sent His Son to die for the world.

The reason is that Satan's presence in the world works to make man sinful. God is not just God, He's also the Judge of the universe. A judge doesn't cast a convict to prison because he hates him, he does it because that is the consequence of breaking the law. Sin is the breaking of the law.

God must judge the world but He has passed the judgement of every man on His Son. Those who reject that sacrifice made by God's Son automatically attract the judgement to themselves instead of passing it on to God's son. Hell was not created for man. It was created for unrepentant Satan. But those who chose Satan rather than God, have all rights in the universe to share the same fate with him. God would not continue watching His world being in chaos till infinity. God must put an end to this chaos some day, and judge the cause of the chaos (Satan), and those who reject the sacrifice of gods Son in preference for God's judgement. God is love, and with Him there's no darkness at all.

The bolded above got me laughing

All in the name of protecting the image of Lord Two-head (God of orthodox religion ), you invariably said Anger, Hate, Jealousy, Envy are positive forces. At this juncture, o really want you to go beyond trying to win arguments and really contemplate things out...

Please be corrected.

I never said Anger, Hate, Envy and Jealousy are positive forces. Rather they are two sided things. With the exception of envy which is purely evil and condemnnable, Anger, Hate and Jealousy are defined.

Except you want to deceive yourself, do you hate armed robbery or love it? Does your hatred for armed robbery make you evil? In the same vein, if you're a father, would you not be jealous if your son rejects your fatherly provisions and embraces that of another man and calls him his father? Won't your heart yearn for your son? Does that jealousy over your beloved son make you evil? If you angrily defend your son against an attacker does that anger make you evil? You can't class these things as negative without presenting a context.

Anger, hate and jealousy can only be defined within their subjective contexts. It's an aberration to classify them as purely negative. Otherwise, I'll expect you not to be angry at your son's attacker. Instead, while the fellow is attacking him, you cuddle the attacker in love while your son suffers because love is all you have.

I will leave you with a screenshot of what Paul said about Love which was compiled in what is known as the Christian Bible below.

Know that the rule doesn't change for anyone. Hate is hate, anger is anger, Jealousy is Jealousy even for any being that claims it is God. By the fruits, you can know what is what, a good tree does not produce bad fruits.

Cheers.

What Paul said is within a defined context of love. Love isn't jealous when there's no reason for jealousy. That's evil. But if I start cuddling your wife right in front of you, you'll rise in Jealousy to the occasion. If I'm doing that to any other woman with whom you're not in love, you wouldn't be jealous, and if you are, then, you're evil.

I hope you got the points? Cheers my brother.

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Please read me again.

God has no enemies but the enemies of man are God's enemies because God loves man. I never said or implied that man is one of God's enemies.

Yeah, the Almighty God can be angry because He am hates evil and the perpetrators thereof. Or are you saying that the Eckankar deity loves evil? The Almighty God is a jealous God because He loves. When you truly love someone, you can become jealous when that same someone gives the attention and service meant for you to another.

Anger, Jealousy, Envy, Regret and Hate are not negative in themselves. It all depends on the source and the direction of these traits. While it is a positive trait to be angry at evil, it is not a positive trait to be angry for nothing. These traits move us to correct the things that are wrong. God hates sin for instability but He loves the sinner. Does the Eckankar deity love sin? Or he protends as if Sin does not exist?

Modified:

Our attention is not on Satan and demons as Christians. Christ already made us victorious over them. But in liberating the captives of Satan, we exercise dominion.

chieveboy:


We live as Gods while on earth. That's why we ditched Christianity all together and it's counting of time.

We don't worship the God who has enemies and adversaries (Satan). We follow the Supreme Deity.

As you can see, Jehovah is late

Yeah, we live as Gods while on earth. We exercise authority over Satan and his demons.

God has no enemies. All things are the works of His hands. Satan became the enemy of God only because he's the enemy of man. God loves man, and so, any enemy of man automatically becomes the enemy of God.

chieveboy:


Time and space are illusions. Cheers

True.

You'll meet the true God in His time. As long as you're in your body, you'll continue to count time until you leave that body.

Maynman:

Boy you can't even dispute ONE, you just talking and talking because you are empty.
So as a Christian reading Paul writings after he got the so called vision, where did he go to?
You are Little, boy.

"Dispute ONE, let's see boy. And the person is a fellow Christian like you, so many excuses, let's see your level kid, dispute ONE."

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/09/telling-lies-in-gods-name/"

Bring him to Nairaland, let's see how he fairs. As for you his follower, you're none of my business.