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Seun:
Because they can feel it as it moves around? Because Scientists have collected it and conducted experiments to find out what it's made up of?


Rain comes from water vapor in the air, which rises to form clouds in the sky. When the temperature falls, the water vapor turns into liquid and falls. When you take a cold bottle of coke out of the freezer, the bottle soon starts dripping with water. This is the same principle at work.

Fire is a result of combustion. When a fuel is heated to a sufficiently high temperature in the presence of air, it combines with oxygen and this chemical reaction releases a lot of energy in the form of heat and light, which you call fire. The fire dies when it runs out of fuel or oxygen.

You explained the principle fantastically as if the principle just came up on it's on.

How may years has the water cycle be running now? Do you have an answer?
You 24 hours in a day, that's how it has being for ages, no going back no going forward, let me guess, it is just there?
The earth rotates around it's axis at the perfect degree from the Sun, 0.001 degree closer and we all burn. 0.001 degree farther and we all freeze to death, and I guess you think is by chance as well!!

Yet when we see small inventions such as cars, aircraft, bullet trains, we sing the praises of their fabricator!!

Giving glory to the created rather than the Creator

herzern:
no matter what...... God loves you.......Jesus is somewhere pleading on ur behalf.....please don't succumb to those thouqhts.......they want to push you to hell



my 2 cent

Statements like these are the major reason atheism would continue to foster.

If you tell me to fear someone because he is the Big Boss, he can punish you, guy forget it, I want to be a big boss myself and that is not enough reason to fear someone...

Growing up I was really stubborn but my dad was equally very harsh, his harshness never deterred me from carrying out my dubious acts, I grew up to a stage where I started respecting him, not because he was really harsh but because he was my DAD...

Grow up guys, you bore people to death by telling them such stories.. Are your politicians, prostitutes, militants, thieves, ritualist not church goers? I can see from their action they are very afraid of HELL...

Weah96:
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@Jahstech: the author of the booklet is facing the same roadblock as the majority of Nairaland theists in that he or she doesn't understand the argument.

The whole booklet is occupied with the desire to prove science wrong, with the assumption being that if the science is wrong, then the bible is right.
Nothing could be further than the truth.

If the bible is true, then all of its biggest claims would also be true. What do I mean? Well, assume that you are speaking to an assembly of the original original bible authors from the middle east. They have just gathered outside your house to bring you the good news, that they all spoke to the intelligent mind who created life and DNA, and have brought you a book from the mind to read lest you die in ignorance. They also want money to pay ministerial bills, but that's besides the point. You first instinct goes "scam artists, con men" but you still allow them to speak.

This is where the argument is. The authors must earn the right to continue the conversation otherwise it's going to take blind faith to believe that they aren't pis.sing in your face and calling it rain water.
The book either validates itself or the claimants need to start moving mountains. The book should have a chapter called "Ways to validate the message for all future generations" and proceed to give recipe for everyone to receive proof that these are not con men.

Or the authors should move about 2 or 3 mountains and teach you the method. Then you can bring the book to your neighbors house and pass the message along.

It has nothing to do with evolution or science. Science is trying to understand the process of the universe's emergence and how life began. It was always an uphill battle because we're already in the universe. But I don't see why the bible is the necessary alternative.

Thanks a million @Weah96, I really appreciate your response.

I must say am lost at some point in your above explanation.

But I would highlight some parts and try to throw more light on them..

FIRST AND FOREMOST, I DON'T WANT TO INVOLVE THE BIBLE IN OUR CONVERSATION AS OF NOW, IT WOULD HINDER OUR PROGRESS.
SECONDLY, I WAS OF THE OPINION THAT ATHEISM IS BORN OUT OF THE FRUSTRATION RELIGION HAS CAUSED AND HENCE THEY CONCLUDE THAT THERE IS NO GOD..

Bringing that booklet up was to buttress the point that there has to be an INTELLIGENT BEING somewhere, somehow for all the various SCIENCE BREAKING DESIGNS on EARTH/IN THE UNIVERSE to EXIST.

ATHEISM vies toward EVOLUTION to help explain the existence of intelligent beings, so I wanted we all to reason if the level of intelligence around us can occur by mere CHANCE??

If the bible is true, then all of its biggest claims would also be true.

If you want us to discuss the above am also happy to, Who said it isn't relevant in our day? We can delve into that if you want us to.

The book either validates itself or the claimants need to start moving mountains. The book should have a chapter called "Ways to validate the message for all future generations" and proceed to give recipe for everyone to receive proof that these are not con men.

Surely the message applies to future generation and if you care I can show you why I came to such conclusion. The term you used "CON MEN" comes in handy due to the assertion of the current so called men of god who have become lovers of money rather than lovers of God..

But I don't see why the bible is the necessary alternative.

For now don't bother yourself about the BIBLE please, it would make things more complicated for us.

Please kindly point areas, I might have reasoned wrongly..

Millex:
By their fruits you shall know them.

Am currently seeing the fruit everywhere, and the result is why you see more and more people embracing ATHEISM, how can YOU prove to these ones who are disillusioned by RELIGION/CHRISTIANITY in general that a certain good, no matter how small, can come out of following such hideous path?

[quote author=Millex post=47097458]What ever things are true, what ever things as just, what every things are of good reports, be an example of believers, restitution, forgiveness, meekness, kindness, love, long suffering and other fruits of the spirit etc are a result of faith.

Even the bible says it that not everyone calling God will get to heaven, that's why we are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling, daily putting our bodies under subjection. As it's our bodies that wants to hate, be greedy, fight, defend, etc. Those are all fruits of the flesh.

Surely there are a lot of people calling God and are saying they are Christians but how many are genuinely born again? That's the question that should be asked before saying with all the Christianity and faith in the world there are still problems. If everyone who claimed to be a Christian were genuinely born again, then all the old adamic nature of sin would be non existent. Wickedness would stop, hate would stop, etc.

Just because some apples aren't sweet doesn't mean all apples aren't sweet.]


And how do you identify these "born again" if I may ask, all I see everywhere are worshippers of men rather worshippers of God, hence what so-called men of God say holds rather than what the Bible actually says. Fanatics and haters everywhere, when your leader pray for you and tell you is God's will for you to kill your fellow man, you believe and act blindly. Hence the caption I see recently; "welcome to the church/religion in general, you can take off your brain cos you won't be needing it anymore".

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BySEC_zeD1mjcUJHeklCZ1BrUnc

For those who care to ask questions, not just questions but reasonable ones, you are free to go through the above. A wise saying once said, "the one replying to a matter without hearing the FACTS is FOOLISH" don't draw conclusions hurriedly, there are and would alway be 2 sides to every coin.

Like I said am like an open book, if you are willing to take your time to explain to me am more than willing to hear you believing we are all intelligent creatures.

Angrily throwing out a student because you feel the question he asked is stupid still doesn't solve the question he raised in the first place.

I stand to be corrected....

Cc weah96, trajanskong, seun.

Weah96:
I prefer to use common sense. Your almighty god came to earth disguised as a Jew person because he had to sacrifice himself to himself. Doesn't make sense.

There is a source of the universe, but that bible didn't come from it. Everything in nature is replete with the source, there are no special people or chosen tribes.

the bolded, NICE and LOGICAL Reasoning, another proof that false Religion don't know what they are saying or doing, you don't force someone to believe something illogical and when I ask you, you say that's the way it is, doesn't make sense...

TrajansKong:
You are correct, and I hope you accept my an apology for my rudeness.

It is just that this forum is so full of religious people making statements like the one you made that it is hard not to be baffled at the kind of discourse we generally entertain as Africans.

Rainbows have a straightforward explanation due to the refraction of light through rain or water particles in the sky. It is not supernatural and no one has been amazed by it in centuries.

My bad manners are caused by the realisation of how many centuries behind other ethnic and cultural groups we are in interpreting the natural world , and the fact that our spookist religious mania will imprison us forever.

I'm worried because I have children. Magic and Jesus have corrupted African minds and morality, and sometimes I get scared and angry to the point of rudeness. They can't inherit a world where we still believe in witches and talking animals while other peoples are preparing to explore the universe and leave us behind permanently to play with their disused and abandoned gods!

jahstech, thanks again for your graciousness. I hope what I've written makes sense, but surely you can see that the gods abandoned by our slavemasters and colonisers are not the way forward for us? I can't stand the thought that we'll die of ignorance...

I once told Seun, I think on this same topic or another thread that I can never fault him for the way he reasoned on some certain issues, same with you, the point you raised up there are very very valid, I 100% agree with you. FALSE religion has put the entire humanity in shambles, YOU can imagine just yesterday I saw a thread of a man of god praying for men with small joysticks for them to have bigger ones, and the so called followers who call themselves worshipers of god were all presenting themselves, that shows you the level of insanity FALSE Christianity and Religion in general has driven this world.

Instead of using christianity/religion to set reasonable morals, upright youths, a better future, christianity/religion is awash with the direct opposite, crime, hatred, terrorism, fornication, adultery, just to mention a few.

Reasonably, one is forced to question religion/christianity as a whole, but then what I see all around me is not what is actually contained in the Holy Books.. A closer look tells more than meets the eye...

Note that I said FALSE Religion/Christianity, meaning there is a TRUTH, but since the FALSE ones predominates NO one cares/believes you anymore if you try to tell them that's not the way Religion/Christianity ought to go, but instead Christianity/Religion is condemned in it's entirety.

CAPSLOCKED:

NOT MY BUSINESS,
BUT IF IT'S ABOUT THE RAINBOW YOU JUST SAW AND YOU ASKING FOR EXPLANATIONS FROM SCIENCE TO PROVE THAT GOD IS REAL, MAYBE YOU SHOULD CONSULT AN AVERAGE SECONDARY SCHOOL KID WHO'S GAT A SCIENCE TEXTBOOK.

Sorry prof, I skipped some part in my secondary school days, that's why I made such lame remarks.

I stand to be corrected in whatever I type, I WANT TO LEARN, but I also need those who are eager and ready enough to answer my QUESTION...

TrajansKong:
Statements like the above are the reason, I'll have to step away from the religion section of Nairaland again - at least for a while.

How can anyone respond to this abysmally low level of intelligence without feeling like a sadistic abuser of mentally-impaired children.

That's not good for me, or our people.

I need to rethink everything. Again.

Bye, for now...

It goes both way my friend, when I see some comments am forced to think as well, "How can some1 think like this despite the wealth of knowledge we have around us?" Believing we are all intelligent creatures we try to make the other person reason with us.

You can't help me from the MENTAL DARKNESS YOU perceive am into with that comment you just made.
I assume I need help and I need most down-to-earth person to explain to me.

Am a mathematics student and I hate it when my fellow mathematicians solve mathematics as if it is magic, I guess you are familiar with the mathematics called SURD, if you want to teach a layman SURD, you don't just tell him SURD 16 is 4, he will never learn, the best way to help him is break it down to the lowest possible.

That's how i reason and that's how I want things explained to me...

Thanks.

ijustdey:
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Seun:
All the people killed in religious conflicts in history were killed in the name of God. The genocide of Canaan in the Bible (which probably never happened), the Christian crusades, the various Islamic jihads, radical Islamist terror attacks, etc. I've not heard about any conflict in which people were fighting and killing other people in the name of Satan.

I would be stupid to conderm you for taking your stand against religion. True religion has caused more harm than good. But I would love us to discuss something further;
1: Do you believe true atheism would make the world a better place?
2: Does atheism have an answer to what the future holds?
3: Atheism promotes evolution since there is no basis for believing in a cruel and heartless God, but does that make evolution 100% correct and unquestionable as well?
4: Would atheism guarantee a morally chaste life/future if each and every one have their own sense of right and wrong?

http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009724?q=atheism&p=par

I would want you to go through the above material and let's discuss further.

Seun:
One if the issues with religion is that it promotes the idea of believing something not because you have been convinced by rational arguments and objective evidence that it is true, but because you want to believe it and choose to believe it.

When beliefs are based on reason and evidence, they are very likely to be true or at least close to the truth. When they are not, they are very likely to be false and far from the truth. False beliefs cause people to make bad decisions which lead to worse outcomes for them and for society.

When most people in society base their beliefs on objective evidence and reason, their beliefs tend to converge towards a single consistent view of reality. This enables them to cooperate massively and achieve great things for all to enjoy e.g. in science. In faith based societies and institutions, differences of opinion are hard to resolve, because people dogmatically hold on to their conflicting beliefs, leading to chronic conflicts that often erupt into violence.

You are narrowing FAITH down to RELIGION alone, in which case you fail to get the actual meaning. Faith is the core/bane of everything you do and would continue to do. Your parents did not have s*x with the full knowledge they were going to conceive Seun, they simply had faith cos there has been previous evidence that shows that when a man and woman met, there is a possibility of getting a child. That singular evidence is the faith. The evidence demonstration of things HOPED for. You haven't seen it but based on evidence you see around you, you hope it will happen.

Such faith is the guide of all humanity, you go to school cos you have faith, you drive, plant crops, invest money and time cos you have faith in a Future that you already preconceived in your heart, that Faith keeps you going.

Christian faith is not miles away from the above. We have a faith cos of evidence seen from God's word the Bible. We have faith cos of the awesome work we see in nature which made us believe that there is someone out there with far greater wisdom and power.

I see no reason to question this faith in Christianity cos I see the Christian faith as the answer to all human question NOW, and in the Future. What do I mean? No better source explains the history of humankind, our current state and our future, all other explanation fall short, if you have yours I would like to hear it.

I just saw a rainbow today yet again. Am waiting for science to give an explanation to that concept, am yet to see any, my point, the more you study nature and the bible the more you are left without a doubt that there is someone far more knowledgeable out there.

Finally to think about: We all know bottle is made from sand particles, but do you think it would be logical to conclude that a bottle found on a heap of sand evolved from the sand?

Seun:
One if the issues with religion is that it promotes the idea of believing something not because you have been convinced by rational arguments and objective evidence that it is true, but because you want to believe it and choose to believe it.

When beliefs are based on reason and evidence, they are very likely to be true or at least close to the truth. When they are not, they are very likely to be false and far from the truth. False beliefs cause people to make bad decisions which lead to worse outcomes for them and for society.

When most people in society base their beliefs on objective evidence and reason, their beliefs tend to converge towards a single consistent view of reality. This enables them to cooperate massively and achieve great things for all to enjoy e.g. in science. In faith based societies and institutions, differences of opinion are hard to resolve, because people dogmatically hold on to their conflicting beliefs, leading to chronic conflicts that often erupt into violence.

You are narrowing FAITH down to RELIGION alone, in which case you fail to get the actual meaning. Faith is the core/bane of everything you do and would continue to do. Your parents did have s*x with the full knowledge they were going to conceive Seun, they simply had faith cos there has been previous evidence that shows that when a man and woman met, there is a possibility of getting a child. That singular evidence is the faith. The evidence demonstration of things HOPED for. You haven't seen it but based on evidence you see around you, you hope it will happen.

Such faith is the guide of all humanity, you go to school cos you have faith, you drive, plant crops, invest money and time cos you have faith in a Future that you already preconceived in your heart, that Faith keeps you going.

Christian faith is not miles away from the above. We have a faith cos of evidence seen from God's word the Bible. We have faith cos of the awesome work we see in nature which made us believe that there is someone out there with far greater wisdom and power.

I see no reason to question this faith in Christianity cos I see the Christian faith as the answer to all human question NOW, and in the Future. What do I mean? No better source explains the history of humankind, our current state and our future, all other explanation fall short, if you have yours I would like to hear it.

I just saw a rainbow today yet again. Am waiting for science to give an explanation to that concept, am yet to see any, my point, the more you study nature and the bible the more you are left without a doubt that there is someone far more knowledgeable out there.

Finally to think about: We all know bottle is made from sand particles, but do you think it would be logical to conclude that a bottle found on a heap of sand evolved from the sand?

Omooba77:
Thanks bro,I have a book along that line,cant recollect the Author now. You really did little digging deep on Faith. It is heartwarming to share with you sir. Life is vanity only Jesus can fill the vaccum.
Dont be surprise when you start hearing and reading about succide in UK as result of Brexit.
Our pain is a testimony to many if we can only focus on God.

Thanks bro, the pleasure is mine.

Why I RESPECT and would CONTINUE to respect the BIBLE is the awesome fact that I find every single aspect of life there, nothing you wish to do or say now isn't related to the BIBLE!!! Is really weird and amazing!!!

So if like say you you don't believe in God, no need for Faith, Money is everything, we evolved, the list is endless, but whatever you say/think I would show you what that ancient book who some consider to be useless has to say about the issue/topic.

Thanks.

Omooba77:
When my younger brother died in his sleep; I felt betrayed by God.

Good evening bro, is really heart warming to see people like you still exist.

Your situation is quite painful because we all claim to worship God and because we do so to the best of our abilities, we expect God to have our back in return. The problem in this reasoning is the fact that people don't have a clear picture of God's way of doing things, hence many questions if God really exist and if he does why he doesn't care about our pains and concern. Most times this prompt the question "Is God uncaring and hard-hearted?"

To get more insight, I would want you to find the answer to this question: "Why do bad things happen to good people?"

As for your question on faith, from the little I know, if I should replace faith with other words I would instead use CONFIDENCE, TRUST, FIRM PERSUASION.

So in more simple terms, Faith can be defined as the basis for hope and evidence for conviction concerning something you don't see.

For Christians, the entire word of God, the Bible is a basis for Faith. Faith is based on concrete evidence.

No one on earth can deny he has faith, the person who may conderm faith as useless has faith one way or another, he may has faith in friends, scientists do have faith in the principles, he bases his new experiments on past discoveries, the farmer who plants has faith that given the right conditions his crops would blossom.

So in all, genuine and true faith is needed to worship God. (John 3:36, Hebrew 11:6). Faith is not static but grows as one comes to know and love God more (2Thessa 1:3).

It is not strange that people question the reason why one should have faith, funny enough, the bible itself said: "Faith is not the possession of all people" (2Thessa 3:2).

Finally, your Faith moves you to action, hence it is said that Faith without works is dead, (James 2:21-26).

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