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Ignoramus

Onitsha has grown into a modern-day urban city, Onitsha metropolitan comprises of Onitsha, Nkpor, Obosi, Ogidi, Oba, Umuoji, Nkwelle Ezunanka, Ogbaru Ogunike etc Onitsha is largest city in east with zero slum unlike Ibadan with 95% slums[/quote]foolish post. you have serious comprehension problem.
Ibadan (3000sqkm) is at least 15times larger than Onitsha (52sqkm) and awka (120sqkm). so even if your awka and Onitsha is made up of modern buildings and only 20% of Ibadan has modern buildings then Ibadan will still have more gold than two of your cities put together. 20% of 3000sq km is 500sq km which is still twice the size of all those areas you mentioned in Onitsha and awka added to it now beat that!!!

meforyou1:
this illiterate. U again?

see who is calling Someone the illiterate. get lost blind bigot

Mentcee:
Buhari, his government and this type of evil news are like Siamese triplets!

so buhari is the one that sent people to steal organs from gullible Nigerians? I guess buhari stole your brain too

meforyou1:
liar. The fct was lagos island and mainland. Yaba, surulere,onyigbo, lagos island, apapa, ikoyi, vi were all parts of the fct

you are the liar here. Lagos island was the fct

weownlagos:
Ekuke.

mpki
Ebot
Ishi
Eran
Mali
Obuko

weownlagos:
Yes you are.

clown

weownlagos:
Which one is ibadan. You mean the pig style ibadan. Girl you get bad taste.

keep deluding yourself. I work with facts. Ibadan is bigger than awka, Onitsha and Owerri out togethee

weownlagos:
You should have added skull mining farm.

you mean the skull mining Clifford orji pioneered?

weownlagos:
Those brown roof buildings would have been worse than it's currently is.

deluded mind. Ibadan is larger than awka, Owerri and Onitsha put together. there are many brown roofs in Ibadan and there are also modern building more than any state capital in the south east!!! that is why Ibadan is a sweet mix of the old and new(gold and rust).

back when I was working with the global fund malaria programme in Ibadan, an oversight came from abuja and she's a lady from the south east. she was blown away when we drove around visiting facilities in Ibadan alone for he whole day. she couldn't believe Ibadan is that big!!!

Modified: before you quote me and talk nonsense

This is Ibadan versus Onitsha, Enugu and awka put together. All your 3cities above are not up to 1/3 of Ibadan. Couldn't get a figure for Owerri and umuahia.

I bet Ibadan alone is bigger than all your cities put together

lol see IBO pained people up there telling us to remove Lagos. Lagos island was the fct not the whole of Lagos state. even without Lagos, the southwest is ahead of the south east.

historyworld030:
Moderator, you blocked my post.
I just wonder how stuuupid the moderators must be to so easily be used as tools by people whom are not very smart in the first place.
Nobody should waist their time debating this liar and fool jaideyone as he calls himself.
This guy is the most dishonnest and shameless person I have ever discussed with. I caught him trying to push a fake map into the debate and still he acts as if that never happened.
I provided pre-colonial maps to prove my point and he pretends that all I did was to provide a youtube video. All this is still available here. I guess this fooooool is trying to have all my posts banned so that he can controle the narrative and tell as many lies as he wants to. he probably doesn't know that he hasn't been 100% percent successful in having all my posts banned.
Also, you just have to ask yourself how daft he is: I am not claiming that the people calling themselves yoruba today don't have ancestors, I am only claiming that yoruba wasn't the name of their ancestors and that the name yoruba is actually a new name since it appears on no precolonial document dated more than 200 years ago.
The maps which were made hundreds of years ago clearly show the Benin Kingdom as being very vast and it is clear on the precolonial maps that what people currently refer to as yorubaland was part of the Benin Kingdom !
And now this fraud is claiming that "that would mean someone told Edo people to move". No our people never moved they are still populating their land, just that some slave returness have been brainwashing them with some stories of an odudduwa who descended from the sky with a parachute, an m16, and an armoured personnel carrier. Most of the people whom are blindly calling themselves yoruba are actually Edo as you can see on the precolonial maps !!!

hahahahaha I swear I didn't even see the last line of what this clown posted.

before he said Yorubas are returnee slaves from Brazil, later he said Yorubas are benin descendants but how is it possible for a tribe of 10million people (Benin) to be the parent tribe of an ethnic group of (50million) people? did you clowns stop reproducing along the line?

every ethnic group has it's own story of how their gods created the heaven and earth. you believe God moulded clay and gave it life by breathing on it yet you can't believe an already live human came down from heaven with a chain? which one is more realistic?

you can laugh about the Yoruba creation story all you want

modified: I just checked Edo creation story. so osanobua's fourth son poured sand from one single snail shell on a canoe and it created all the land billions of people are living on today where were osanobua and his children staying before they built the canoe?

you believe your own ridiculous creation story yet you castigate Yoruba people for believing someone came down with a chain

KingOvoramwen1:
You must be a very deillusioned fellow, its very obvious you are deficient in geography and knowledge , I know my level and status on this website and the culture section to be precise , it will take you eternity to reach me halfway , I have given you a few seconds and dats all you will get!... Now Get Lost!!

Jaideyone:
according to one if your previous posts that is between 1699 to the 19th century. It was during thos period the Oyo empire fell to the Fulani and Ibadan rose from the ashes of oyo empire. Ibadan repelled Fulani attacks against osogbo and drove the fulanis (with the Ilorin Yoruba traitors) back to Ilorin.
Like I said earlier Ibadan rose from the ashes of the old Oyo empire. Ibadan was in charge of other Yoruba kingdoms like all the Ekiti kingdoms, ilesa, osogbo, etc. The egbas and ijebus were not exactly under Ibadan and they were all enemies of Ibadan. The Yoruba civil war followed with all Ekiti kingdoms coming together to fight Ibadan and also the egba and ijebu kingdom fighting Ibadan on another front!!! That is the Yoruba civil war that was on going when the British intervened

Now your lies

1.) Yoruba never existed before 200yrs ago(how can anyone be a secondary school graduate and believe this sh*t?)

2.) Slaves that came back created Yoruba as ethnic group? Does this even make sense to you?

3.) Benin ruled Yoruba land (you refused to tell me how your Benin people achieved this)

Your points are so shallow
https://oldnaija.com/tag/fulani-yoruba-wars/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalumi_War

http://www.worldcat.org/title/causes-of-the-19th-century-yoruba-civil-wars/oclc/47727943

http://www.academia.edu/31465979/Impact_of_the_19th_century_Yoruba_Civil_war_on_the_Economy_of_the_Yoruba_Land

Stop spreading lies!!!

kingovoramwen1 this is my argument up there. if Yorubas were not there 200yrs before now who fought the Fulanis? who fought the nupe? who fought the dahomey? who are the participants of the jalumi war and the Yoruba civil war that lasted for decades? I'm waiting for you
Mr culture and status


till you people can give me a time line of events like I did up there both of you are clowns

KingOvoramwen1:
You must be a very deillusioned fellow, its very obvious you are deficient in geography and knowledge , I know my level and status on this website and the culture section to be precise , it will take you eternity to reach me halfway , I have given you a few seconds and dats all you will get!... Now Get Lost!!

lol level and status indeed!!! Nairaland status guy don't kill me with laugh.

with your level and status (room temperature IQ I suppose) you agreed with your delusional friend that Yorubas are returnee slaves that took the whole of the southwest from you 200yrs ago? can you Benin people be more ridiculous? lol

I'm still waiting for one of you to give me a written text to support your line of argument. don't bring those dvmb blog post you Benin people are spreading all over the internet o. you have to give me a detailed story of how Yoruba people returned as slaves and took your land. I dey wait

historyworld030:
Look how the guy keeps calling the british "master".
What kind of slave mentality is that ?
jaideyone's slave blood is messing his brain up.

yeah yeah yeah I have slave blood
it's better to have slave blood and be educated and enlightened than to be free and not even understand the simple meaning of " COLONIAL MASTER".

now show me where in my post I used the word "MASTER" without putting the word "COLONIAL" before it.

the British colonised Nigeria. the whole of Nigeria was their colony under the British empire before 1960 when we gained independence. the British are our colonial masters. we speak their language even now as our official language and we adopted their dressing. In fact a British woman coined the word Nigeria (probably while having an orgasm during a bout of good sex) and Lugard accepted and gave you the name NIGERIAN.
you can decide to leave in denial and call me slave all you want but they are your colonial masters.

you are not even smart enough to understand the phrase "COLONIAL MASTER" yet you want to pretend to be an intellectual. you are either an illiterate or your IQ must be extremely low

KingOvoramwen1:
What do you mean by tiny?... Are you okay

The Size of Edo state is Ondo ekiti and Osun put together , what the Bleep are you talking about ?

lol Edo is Ekiti, osun and ondo put together? keep lying so slaves arrived and kicked your asses out of your land 200yrs ago. interesting narrative!!!

you and your fellow Benin kid should see a shrink your imaginations ate running wild

KingOvoramwen1:
Lool, your theory of those slaves landing in Lagos makes sense, fits into the narrative

yes and when the slaves landed 200yrs ago in Ogun, Oyo, ondo, osun, kwara, Ekiti and kwara there were two possible scenarios

1.) we kicked you like children from 7 other states into one single state or

2.) we told you to move and you moved like sissies

makes sense clowns

historyworld030:
Moderator, you blocked my post.
I just wonder how stuuupid the moderators must be to so easily be used as tools by people whom are not very smart in the first place.
Nobody should waist their time debating this liar and fool jaideyone as he calls himself.
This guy is the most dishonnest and shameless person I have ever discussed with. I caught him trying to push a fake map into the debate and still he acts as if that never happened.
I provided pre-colonial maps to prove my point and he pretends that all I did was to provide a youtube video. All this is still available here. I guess this fooooool is trying to have all my posts banned so that he can controle the narrative and tell as many lies as he wants to. he probably doesn't know that he hasn't been 100% percent successful in having all my posts banned.
Also, you just have to ask yourself how daft he is: I am not claiming that the people calling themselves yoruba today don't have ancestors, I am only claiming that yoruba wasn't the name of their ancestors and that the name yoruba is actually a new name since it appears on no precolonial document dated more than 200 years ago.
The maps which were made hundreds of years ago clearly show the Benin Kingdom as being very vast and it is clear on the precolonial maps that what people currently refer to as yorubaland was part of the Benin Kingdom !
And now this fraud is claiming that "that would mean someone told Edo people to move". No our people never moved they are still populating their land, just that some slave returness have been brainwashing them with some stories of an odudduwa who descended from the sky with a parachute, an m16, and an armoured personnel carrier. Most of the people whom are blindly calling themselves yoruba are actually Edo as you can see on the precolonial maps !!!

lol keep crying. i wonder why you weren't banned. he blocked your post but you just insulted a nairalander again.

I'll help you

cc mynd44 lalasticlala. this is the second time this guy is calling me a fool in 24hrs. am I free to fire back? I'm good at throwing insults too

yeyerolling:
I pity those pple living in those slums on the oda side. Sure demolition loading.

long over due

Jaideyone:
according to one if your previous posts that is between 1699 to the 19th century. It was during thos period the Oyo empire fell to the Fulani and Ibadan rose from the ashes of oyo empire. Ibadan repelled Fulani attacks against osogbo and drove the fulanis (with the Ilorin Yoruba traitors) back to Ilorin.
Like I said earlier Ibadan rose from the ashes of the old Oyo empire. Ibadan was in charge of other Yoruba kingdoms like all the Ekiti kingdoms, ilesa, osogbo, etc. The egbas and ijebus were not exactly under Ibadan and they were all enemies of Ibadan. The Yoruba civil war followed with all Ekiti kingdoms coming together to fight Ibadan and also the egba and ijebu kingdom fighting Ibadan on another front!!! That is the Yoruba civil war that was on going when the British intervened

Now your lies

1.) Yoruba never existed before 200yrs ago(how can anyone be a secondary school graduate and believe this sh*t?)

2.) Slaves that came back created Yoruba as ethnic group? Does this even make sense to you?

3.) Benin ruled Yoruba land (you refused to tell me how your Benin people achieved this)

Your points are so shallow
https://oldnaija.com/tag/fulani-yoruba-wars/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalumi_War

http://www.worldcat.org/title/causes-of-the-19th-century-yoruba-civil-wars/oclc/47727943

http://www.academia.edu/31465979/Impact_of_the_19th_century_Yoruba_Civil_war_on_the_Economy_of_the_Yoruba_Land

Stop spreading lies!!!

KingOvoramwen1:
You also called him a fool earlier , even insulted other members before this lalasticlala mynd44 kindly ignore this joker ............ No Shame Smh..... Cry baby can't even handle an argument

see my points below. why can't he pick the lies in my post and give his own version of history instead of repearedly calling me a fraudster and a fool?

pls go through my post and point out the lies. awaiting your reply

Jaideyone:
according to one if your previous posts that is between 1699 to the 19th century. It was during thos period the Oyo empire fell to the Fulani and Ibadan rose from the ashes of oyo empire. Ibadan repelled Fulani attacks against osogbo and drove the fulanis (with the Ilorin Yoruba traitors) back to Ilorin.
Like I said earlier Ibadan rose from the ashes of the old Oyo empire. Ibadan was in charge of other Yoruba kingdoms like all the Ekiti kingdoms, ilesa, osogbo, etc. The egbas and ijebus were not exactly under Ibadan and they were all enemies of Ibadan. The Yoruba civil war followed with all Ekiti kingdoms coming together to fight Ibadan and also the egba and ijebu kingdom fighting Ibadan on another front!!! That is the Yoruba civil war that was on going when the British intervened

Now your lies

1.) Yoruba never existed before 200yrs ago(how can anyone be a secondary school graduate and believe this sh*t?)

2.) Slaves that came back created Yoruba as ethnic group? Does this even make sense to you?

3.) Benin ruled Yoruba land (you refused to tell me how your Benin people achieved this)

Your points are so shallow
https://oldnaija.com/tag/fulani-yoruba-wars/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalumi_War

http://www.worldcat.org/title/causes-of-the-19th-century-yoruba-civil-wars/oclc/47727943

http://www.academia.edu/31465979/Impact_of_the_19th_century_Yoruba_Civil_war_on_the_Economy_of_the_Yoruba_Land

Stop spreading lies!!!

KingOvoramwen1:
You also called him a fool earlier , even insulted other members before this lalasticlala mynd44 kindly ignore this joker ............ No Shame Smh..... Cry baby can't even handle an argument

BTW do you know what the argument is about?

-Yorubas weren't on the map 200yrs ago

- current Yoruba land was under Benin kingdom (yet he can't give me a detailed history of how Benin people conquered Yoruba land or at least tell me how Yoruba people came from wherever and told the Benin people to shift to one tiny state so we can have Ogun, Oyo, Ekiti, ondo and kwara.

-He acknowledge Fulani people invaded Yorubaland but that happened 200 yrs ago (is he not contracting himself since he claims we were not existing before the colonial master?). so who did the Fulani fight if Yorubas were not there?

I've seen you argue on Nairaland and I k iw you are at least more enlightened than he his. do you share his beliefs are a fellow Benin man? give me a write up on the Benin empire that covered all Yoruba states. I'm waiting

historyworld030:
Oh, Jesus Christ, I missed this very ignorant comment from this fraudster.
For your information, mr fraud, the country currently being called Benin Republic wasn't called so until the 1970's in which Dahomey renamed itself after the Benin Kingdom ! (Rather than after your mythical "oyo empire"
There is no possible confusion in history about the Benin Kingdom and the Benin republic given that the Benin Republic bares that name only since the 1970's.
I am just wondering if "yoruba" people have shame at all.
How many times must I correct you before you realize that you are not intelligent enough for this subject.
I surprised you trying to bring in a fake map and still you didn't feel ashamed.
By the way, how come there is a bight of Benin and no "Bight of oyo" ?
You claim oyo was so great yet no historical documents acknowledge that, europeans who came to trade never talked about any "oyo empire".
The british who came to fight didn't meet any "oyo-empire" to fight with.

you are just being dramatic. I pointed out a mistake you might be making. how does that make me a fraudster? you've called me a fraudster in virtually all your posts. why? you said your people rule mine before the coming of the colonial masters and I've refused to believe when you can't give me a write up to defend it.

how could you even ridiculously claim Yorubas didn't exist before 200 yrs ago? you said Benin kingdom was all over Yoruba land yet you can't back up your assertions with a link. I've given you several links on jalumi war and co but you will call me the fraudster when you've given nothing apart from a map written in French(which I don't understand) and a YouTube video!!!
Bight of Benin is not the same think as Benin kingdom. Post after post you made wild claims and insulted me yet I've only been laughing. grow the hell up if you can't handle people that don't agree with you


it's not you fault. I'm the one wasting my precious on someone who can't present facts apart from one YouTube video.

historyworld030:
It seems you are deaf.
In order to be at the same level as the person you are talking to, you need to provide historical documents !
Writen notes of people who claim to have seen historical documents is insufficient. You need to show the documents yourself, just like I did !
And stop with the stories, just provide historical documents. Anybody can make up a story. And you have already tried to hoodwink me with a fake map.

lol Yoruba culture and history is well known. You are the one claiming we never existed before 200yrs ago when we came from thin air. Provide historical documents na

All those links I gave you are evidences. Acedemia is a research website and you can't just post junk there. I've given you history of what Yorubas were busy doing when you claimed we were under Benin rule. Now give me a link of your own claims. If you don't give a link I won't reply your mention.


At this point it's either I get a link to your written text on how Benin kingdom ruled Yoruba people or good night.

historyworld030:
I don't know how to do screenshots.
I provided more than one map and the maps are very detailed.
There is also a caption on the webste, if you click on the botten for information, you would be provided with the dates in which the maps were made. By the way, you don't give me a salary so you also don't have any task to give me.

according to one if your previous posts that is between 1699 to the 19th century. It was during thos period the Oyo empire fell to the Fulani and Ibadan rose from the ashes of oyo empire. Ibadan repelled Fulani attacks against osogbo and drove the fulanis (with the Ilorin Yoruba traitors) back to Ilorin.
Like I said earlier Ibadan rose from the ashes of the old Oyo empire. Ibadan was in charge of other Yoruba kingdoms like all the Ekiti kingdoms, ilesa, osogbo, etc. The egbas and ijebus were not exactly under Ibadan and they were all enemies of Ibadan. The Yoruba civil war followed with all Ekiti kingdoms coming together to fight Ibadan and also the egba and ijebu kingdom fighting Ibadan on another front!!! That is the Yoruba civil war that was on going when the British intervened

Now your lies

1.) Yoruba never existed before 200yrs ago(how can anyone be a secondary school graduate and believe this sh*t?)

2.) Slaves that came back created Yoruba as ethnic group? Does this even make sense to you?

3.) Benin ruled Yoruba land (you refused to tell me how your Benin people achieved this)

Your points are so shallow
https://oldnaija.com/tag/fulani-yoruba-wars/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalumi_War

http://www.worldcat.org/title/causes-of-the-19th-century-yoruba-civil-wars/oclc/47727943

http://www.academia.edu/31465979/Impact_of_the_19th_century_Yoruba_Civil_war_on_the_Economy_of_the_Yoruba_Land

Stop spreading lies!!!

historyworld030:
Once again, I am not like you, I don't make up stories.
But I have to tell you about the logics of your question.
I found no historical document which refers to the yoruba more than (~200) years ago
I have also said several times here that I believed the "yoruba"-people are nothing but a myth created by slave returnees who had to make these tales up in order to blend in with the locals.
And now you want me to bring stories of Benin conquering the same yoruba who didn't exist, the same yoruba who are the fruit of slaves imagination ? How logical ?
Also when you say "Benin", you need to be more specific, Benin City is just the capital of the Benin Kingdom which (as you can see on the precolonial maps) comprised what you now refer to as yorubaland !

lol so Yorubas didn't exist 200 years ago? custodian of historical evidences!!! well-done sir!!! as for your phantom Benin kingdom that extended all the way from Edo across Yoruba land it's a lie till you give me a screenshot of that map here and the timeline for the map. I'm giving you a very simple task here


these clown wants me to believe Yorubas were not in existence 200 years ago you must be 15

historyworld030:
I just wonder what these guys gain in just telling lies all the time.
Are they trying to lie to us or to themselves ?
I am asking because obviously their lies can't work on us, indeed we actually have proof of what we claim

you were about to find an ancient map yet you can't find text to five you an idea of the year the Benin people dominated Yorubas? you are the lair here.


the reason you are pained now is because I refused to accept your people ruled my people hundreds of years ago when you're not able to prove it. the thing really pain you o

historyworld030:
I can't give any story because unlike you, I am not a liar !
I don't pretend that I saw things which happened more than one thousand years ago !
Rather than that, I come with evidence and I prove my claims !
I didn't address your oyo claims earlier because you make too many unsubstantiated claims and I have to chose which ones to address (because I am only human).
The only pre-colonial map on which I saw oyo showed a small kingdom and it the map was made the same century the fulani overran oyo and took its capital.
The map was on the gallica website which belongs to the Bibliothèque National de France.

all these ones you are saying is gibberish. the history of the Oyo kingdom is well documented. if you want to argument that let's settle your first line of argument that Benin ruled Yorubas. give me the year.

I've read widely on Yoruba history with an open mind and the Fulani and nupe were the only kingdoms that gave us a tough time. I can't pretend to be there back then. you weren't there too.

since you found the maps and the video on it then there must be a written text from any source at all on how Benin people ruled Yorubas and enslaved us pls I want to see it. thanks

historyworld030:
I am just wondering how these people can actually believe that these methods would work in the year 2017 ?
I know they have managed to hoodwink a lot of people who now call themselves yoruba and who have lost touch with the reality of their past.
But how in hell can anybody think this method would work today, especially against a people who history is so well documented as the Edo ?

all these lies and emotional drama doesn't work. give me a time line and let me see a picture of that your map!!!

eg Benin people ruled Yoruba between 1600-1700AD then attach a picture of the map and let me give you my own argument. simple!!!

you just expect to bring lies and we change our well documented history for you? no way!!!

BTW something tells me the Benin people you are referring to are the Dahomey who attacked egba and lost. those are the current Benin republic people which is very different from the Benin people from current Edo state.


so pls sir. give me the year for that your map and attach a picture of your map since I can't watch your video now. thanks I'm waiting

historyworld030:
Look, I don't give stories. I give evidence.
You have admitted that your map was made with the use of computers, yet you still claim that your map is not fake ?
Either your brain is lagging either you have been able to create a time machine and you travelled into the past with a computer to make your map.
In the way you talk it is obvious you are not reasoning. You are camped on your positions and no amount of proof and facts will make you move away from your unproven beliefs which incidentally are being logically exposed as false.
Look, I provide no stories and I don't need to, I have already provided evidence in the form of precolonial maps.
I have no story to tell, just evidence to show !
QED.

I've told you what happened just before the coming of the white men. tell me when Benin people ruled Yorubas so I can counter your point. give me a time line. say 1500-1800. just give me a timeline and let me bring down your fake story

historyworld030:
There was never any such thing as oyo empire.
There was an oyo kingdom, but it was a young and small kingdom which got defeated by the fulani who subsequently took over the capital of oyo.
Your kins who are always very attracted to history theft tried to steal the Benin history and give it to oyo by inventing the notion of "oyo empire".
Once again, I have no story to tell. I have evidence to give !

so now that you can't give any written history or timeline of when the Benin kingdom was in charge of the southwest you suddenly abandon that line of argument and start talking about Oyo.

there was an Oyo empire. if you have any contrary evidence bring it forward you can't just wish other people's history away or claim dominance where it never existed. give us proofs you conquered Yorubas or you are just blowing empty air