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historyworld030:
So I am to do the work in your place and go through the "sources" ?
Look, if you are so confident in your unverified wikipedia claims then why don't you just go through the sources and prove that the claims are true ?
If you want to be at my level of knowledge then you need to provide first hand knowledge as I did when I provided actual historical documents !
Providing a page which was allegedly written by people who had access to historical documents is way below my level and your method is very fraudulent in nature.
Once again, you r map is fake and it is a recently made map unlike the maps which I posted which were made several hundred years ago by people who visited our ancestors and went into our land in order to make the maps !

lol you are the one peddling lies. Or you just have serious comprehension problem. Benin and Oyo empire never had any clash!!! If you conquered Yorubas give me the written history. I can make a YouTube video and post it to spread lies too.


Yorubas fought the Fulani, nupe, Dahomey and a civil war a before the coming of the white men. Simple!!!

historyworld030:
Jesus Christ of Nazareth ! dude when will you just admit the obvious: I have proven all my claims and you are just being silly !
Your map was made by a computer, therefor it is not a pre-colonial map ! Indeed in those days computers didn't exist !
I thought you were being ignorant, now I know that you are being fraudulant.
You know your map is fake and every adult with a minimum educational baggage also knows that.
I just wonder how you could think so little of my intelligence to post that map ?
This is a serious insult.

Stop being emotional. Read my previous post. No one gives a Bleep about your so called precolonial map. I don't have time to watch one video cos u want a prove a point I know is a lie.

Your point is Benin ruled Yoruba land? Good give me a detailed history of hoa Benin conquered Yoruba land. I need the year and a screenshot of your map. I'm not watching any video.


My point is both Benin and Oyo empire were very separate entities. The fact that my map is a computer created one doesn't make it false. Precolonial times like you said, Yorubas fought Fulani, nupe, Dahomey and fought amongst themselves. I can give you a time line of these events.

The Yoruba civil war was ongoing when the whites intervened and brought Yoruba under colonial rule.

You are the one claiming the phantom achievement. It's your job to give me a story!!! I'm waiting

historyworld030:
Are you seriously giving me wikipedia as a source ?
Man this is a serious insult to my intelligence.
Anybody can write those wikipedia pages, I myself have had fun writing and modifying some of those.
Either you are just a kid, either you really think I am stuupid enough to believe wikipedia when the subject is African history.
Look, I provided pre-colonial maps which are historical documents, so I expect nothing less from you.
Provide historical documents, wikipedia is no such thing.

stop playing dumb. Wikipedia articles come with references. Go there and verify the references. Yoruba and Benin people existed as separate people and there was no time in history when the Benin kingdom ruled Yorubas. Any retard to draw up the maps in your videos too. Give me a full written text of the Benin king that conquered Yoruba land and the territories he took. How he took them and I'll galdly punch holes in your dvmb story.

The latest event that took place before the coming of the white men was the Yoruba-fulani war and the Yoruba civil war that saw egba, ijebu, Oyo, Ekiti and osogbo all fighting themselves just a few years before the colonial masters arrived. I know my history so shove that nonsense map of yours somewhere else.
This is a map of the Oyo empire when it controlled majority of Yoruba land

historyworld030:
You can't have a rational discussion if your premises are fables.
Oranmiyan, Oduduwa ... All those are fables folklors.
All kingdoms including japan and russia and england and france have their fables and folklors.
In the olden days all kings would even claim to descend from the gods (african, european, middle easter, even asian kings)
Now, let us get back to a logical discussion !
1) I provided precolonial maps showing what the Benin Kingdom was and it comprised all the lands which you now call "yorubaland".
2) I asked you to provide proof of any yoruba being titled Oba before colonization, and you showed none !
3) You don't seem to understand that nobody birthed anybody ! What I know is that you yorubaused to be citizens of a country called Benin kingdom !

lol Yorubas were under Benin kingdom only in your dream. I repeat there was no time in history when Benin people were ever in charge of Yoruba land. this is one map for you.

I wonder why you ate Fry ng so hard to prove Yorubas were once under Benin. that only happened in your dream.

historyworld030:
@Jaideyone, provide me just one proof of any precolonial "yoruba" king being referred to as Oba before colonisation.
Don't you find it funny that almost all your yoruba chiefs have added the word Oba to their title, and this includes even village heads !
The word Oba is a diminutif for the expression: Omo n'Oba n'Edo. The word isn't the title on its own.
Don't you also find it strange that the Oba of Benin has only one title: Omo n'Oba n'Edo while your "yoruba-kings" have titles such as "alake", "alafin", "ooni" ...

Oba in Yoruba means he who is above all things (as in Oba ba lori o n gbogbo). for the umpteenth time keep your meaning to yourself. you are not in the right position to tell us the meaning and origin of our words. mind your own history and stop constituting a nuisance to other people's language just to feel superior. it's a failed attempt

even all the ooni, alake, oluwo have always been described as Oba ogunwusi, Oba Adeyemi, etc.

Oba has always been king for as long as Yoruba came into existence
https://googleweblight.com/i?u=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oba_(ruler)&grqid=dRsW14IY&hl=en-NG

historyworld030:
The population of Rome is less than 3 million people.
Rome which had an empire which comprised France, England, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, Greece, Italy...
That defeats your argument of "we plenty pass you". Why do I even have to keep debating while I have proven all my points already ?
Those slaves who were dropped in Lagos really mananged to mess up you peoples brains.

try and use your brain. I'm not talking of conquest. I'm giving you reasons why Yoruba birthed Edo as an ethnic group by sending out oranmiyan to establish Benin kingdom and be the first king of benin just the same way other children went out to birth Yoruba subgroups. not about war and conquest. use your brain please.

you have comprehension problem and you're giving yourself medal for going off point.

let me explain better since you have the brain of a toddler. I'm trying to give you reasons why Benin will rather be a Yoruba group like ondo, Ekiti and co and not the other way round.

PrinceOgun:
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TRASH

as usual. what people say when their brain power can't handle the argument and provide facts

historyworld030:
The Ezama is actually not a King, he is the subject of the King (Oba).
My point was that the ooni's position is not even up to that of the Ezama.
You guys "yoruba" don't have a clue about us EDO, yet you keep claiming to be the costudians of our Edo history.
You don't even have a clue about your own origins, A lot of you are Edo and you don't even know. You have been brainwashed by all these tales of oduduwa dropping from the sky with a parachute and an m16 and (why not) an armoured personnel carrier.

no one gives a fvck about your tradition like I said earlier. stop making unnecessary comparisons

historyworld030:
Even the ceremony of the Ezama of Benin is much richer than that of the ooni of ife:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHA_ywDz_LU

you see you are the one desperately trying to prove a point even when you are just beating around the bush.

your ceremony is for your king and I'm here laughing and wondering why you are desperately comparing it to that of a Yoruba king when our cultures are still very much different.

historyworld030:
how much of Yoruba history do you know?
It would be fascinating if a guy claiming to be yoruba even knows the meaning of the word "history".
No historical records mention the word yoruba 200 years ago.

lol the word Yoruba didn't exist 200yrs ago? you are truly deluded

historyworld030:
One alake woke up one day and decided to make a "ranking of obas" which consists of him just saying: "this guy is number one, this other guy is number two, this guy is number three and I am number four". And somehow that has become your bible ?
How old are you ? The title Oba comes from a longer title: "Omo n'Oba n'Edo".
Now go figure who is copying who ?
Also did your ooni or alafin fight against the british ?
The real Oba did !
Guess what his name was and what kingdom he ruled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IlUMUGUorw


Some ancient maps of Benin Kingdom:

This one dates to around 1699:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595525w/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595527q/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

lol keep deceiving yourself.

you will be deluded if you really think Bini kingdom didn't come from Ife. we all know the truth. the first king of Benin is from Ife. your delusion will even be more severe if you think a tribe (Bini) of 10million people at most) birthed an ethnic group (Yoruba) of 60million. Personally I don't give a fvck if Benin people acknowledge Yoruba as their origin or not (the first Benin king, oranmiyan is the child of oduduwa) but you Benin people should stop telling us the origin of our own words like Oba. Oba has been the word for king in Yoruba since time immemorial. you should also stop telling us Yorubas are from Benin kingdom. we are not idiots. a 50 Yr old man can't be a father to a 70yr old man. my link is not about which tribe birthed which one. you made me divert into that with your silly maps and the insinuation that the word Oba was adopted from Benin.

as for the link I gave u. I did that cos you foolishly jumps into conclusion that your Benin king is the most influential in the south.
the ranking is in terms of influence and there are several variations. all the rankings you can ever bring out comes with the ooni being the first in the south (for most rankings) or the alaafin being the first in the south. no ranking ever placed your Oba above the ooni otlr the alaafin. so next time you want to praise your king do so without attributing one imaginary status of the most powerful king in the south to him.

if you were half as smart as you are trying extremely hard to appear you will know that the Ooni is regarded as the number one king in Yoruba land (7states) compared to the Oba of Benin whose influence is limited to Edo state alone. alone of the unnecessary argument. you are free to call your king the most powerful in the Ss and se and I won't argue with you. just exclude the southwest from your equation. thanks

historyworld030:
Let me guess: you are a yoruba and a big fan of the ooni of ife ?

he's not Yoruba. don't make a fool of yourself. a lot of your people here criticised the ooni even though Yorubas didn't complain about his traveling. he's one of such people.

PrinceOgun:
The Greatest!!

THE NUMERO UNO KING OF THE SOUTH!!

THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE OBA

EVERY OTHER OBA IS A COPY CAT AND A FRUAD .... una know una self

keep deceiving yourself

http://nigerianfinder.com/top-10-most-powerful-kings-in-nigeria/

your Oba is third in the south after alaafin and ooni

kinibigdeal:
Yeah, i actually dont want to start any mathematical controversies, kindly move to Sahara reporters page, click a vote for PMB and the percentage changes but click a vote for ATK it remain unchange. Now this is the logic, for every 5 votes for ATK means 1%. This is called programming....

Olodo it's a twitter poll. it's not possible for anyone to programme a twitter poll.

smh

kinibigdeal:
Sahara reporter is nothing but an APC medium for cheap propaganda. I and a friend voted for Atiku via that link yesterday but we noticed that the percentage never change from 26%，i called another friend to click the link just to study the link, he voted and it still remain at 26％. We all understand how hard APC are trying to market a failure

so now you are accusing APC of rigging twitter poll again

your illiteracy is legendary.

what if you and your friend votes atiku 5times and some other APC apologists also give 5 votes? do you still think the percentage will change?

or do you expect 4 votes from you and your friends to make much difference when 19,000 people already voted?

that's the problem with you PDP people. you point accusing fingers without thinking

Sunnycliff:
Thought afonjas said he's declared wanted?

when did afonjas say he was declare wanted?
tompolo was declared wanted not ateke tom. your brain is there for a reason. use it

liberalsinnerx:
you do

Afonjas and obsession with women's private parts. Instead of fighting for freedom like IPOB to safeguard and protect the lives of their women and children.What a people....Shameless things

there's nothing in that clown's post history that suggests he's afonja. even the post you quoted doesn't have any ethnic intonation!!! you are the one that should seek help for your afonja obsession and wake up from your perpetual nightmares. afonjas can't even spare a thought for you. seek psychiatric help. I'll be praying for you

hardeycute:
If you are going to quote foolishly and ignorantly just because you want to defend a corrupt and unserious govt then you should have your facts.

What is the 2.5% of the recovered money?
Do you even know the amount in naira?

But you are here blindly defending nonsense.

the ikoyi loot is 43.5illion dollars approximately (including the naira and pounds denomination). at 360naira to a dollar the ikoyi loot is 15.6billion naira.


https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/11/court-orders-forfeiture-ikoyigate-apartment-43-m-cash/
2.5% of 15.6b naira is 380m.
if I don't approximate the whistle blower will be entitled to lesser which is definitely around the figure the government is offering.

the government has offered 325 million naira.

do your maths and tell me how he's entitled to over 800m naira at 2.5%.

the problem with fools like you is that you just castigate the government without checking your own points. now you labelled the FG corrupt and you also called me an ignorant fool when there is actually no bigger fool on this thread than you.


you should be ashamed of yourself

modified; Mr "have your facts" I'm patiently waiting for your reply

ennyhola:
if you don't understand something kindly ask

"Members are being treated like beggers on the camp ground!"

if you think this is a Lie..come to the redemption camp during the Holy Ghost congress and you will regret the experience forever!!

what is it I don't understand? stop making a fool of yourself please. I've been to that camp ground at least on 10 occasions. I used to attend redeem before 2015. the camp has serious security issues. do you know people vandalize cars and rob others then proceed to the auditoriums to act the redeem member script? so people should b allowed to go anywhere and make a mess of the whole place because they claim to be redeem members. how exactly can you identify wolves in the flock if you don't tighten security measures to protect the real people? f you have to criticise make use of your brain in the process.

Papiikush:
At least they are doing something with the tithes and offerings

Nevertheless redeem church is filled with hypocritical and diabolic men in form of pastors especially those assistant general overseers.

They drive in their luxury cars and live in mansions meanwhile members of redeem (who are church rats) hang around, sleep and beg in the auditorium.

There are over three hundred buildings in the redemption camp and these people living and begging were deserted and at a point, they were haunted like animals and sent away from the auditorium.

Trust me, I know this because i stay in camp. If you know, you know...

you claim RCCG is filled with diabolical pastors (there are several thousands of pastors in RCCG. when did you carry out your research? what percentage of the tens of thousands of RCCG pastors are diabolical for you to reach such a conclusion and used the word filled which signifies majority?). what assurance do you have that these thousands of RCCG pastors arr living on the sweat of their church rats like you called the members when the pastors themselves only get stipends from the HQ and remit a certain percentage to the center? so a pastor must live in penury to satisfy the needs of everyone around him even when he's making his money from his own business?

then you went on to talk about how they evict beggars from the auditorium. were the auditoriums built for begging? if unwanted guests are not evicted do you know the number of criminals that place will keep attracting? do you know people's cars get vandalized and stolen even on camp ground? so the church should not put up measures to protect people against criminals that just want to loiter?

may God forgive you for this level of foolishness

hardeycute:
My brother, look at the number of people calling the man a greed on the FP,then you don't need to ask the question on why we have failed to hold our leaders accountable in this part of the World.

The Government that can't stay true to an agreement like that would not find it hard to deprive his citizens of basic amenities and developments

if you are going to hold your leaders responsible don't do it ignorantly. be sure of what you are doing before castigating the government.

this is a link to the lunch of the whistle blower policy
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/12/corruption-fg-launches-whistle-blowing-programme/

the payout is between 2.5-5%.
if the money is very large the pay out is 2.5% and if it's low then the payout is 5%. so how do you expect the government to pay him 5% for a very large sum of money?

read before you criticise

ronaldbecky:
greedy hw...the money is 750milla,dat was d deal so y going against d deal...if he collect it..d remaining balance wodnt b paid...dis country is a disgrace...atleast d world is watching...i just pity d guy..if na me i 4 collect dat cash fly out than to blow whistle....corrupt government

refer to my comment above before you keep shouting the country is a disgrace. use your brain. don't be emotional.

hardeycute:
It is a pity that the Government is not willing to fulfill the agreement which is going to discourage people from whistleblowing

What is greed?Asking for the right payment?

If the govt is finding it difficult to honour this then how can they bring about development to the nation ?

when the money is higher than a certain amount the commission is 2.5%. find the truth before taking sides. the government said it several times in the past

meforyou1:
so how did binis get to lagos from edo unchallenged. When bini conquered lagos, what there a lagos state? The town called lagos was lagos island. Then ikeja and ikorodu were different sleepy settlements. Just that we igbos came and helped bindis and white man and developed it to a mega city

there is no point replying your foolish hearsays when you can't even produce a link to support your claims

meforyou1:
akwuya. It is only yoruba u can power. Igbo man is greater than u ragwo forever and ever

confused fellow. your emotions are seriously clouding your judgement. I've asked several times for links to detailed history of how Benin conquered Yoruba and took Lagos. I'm still waiting for it o

MayorofLagos:
Please stop your ignorance for God's sake. There is no title in Benin called Oba. The title of their King is Omo n'Oba.

lol the guy is very ignorant. allow me indulge him

meforyou1:
why should I? Oba of Benin said it. Oba of lagos concurred with him. Do Yorubas have oba? Is it not olowo of owo, Olugbo of ugbo. It's only benin and lagos that have obas. Stop claiming ignorance.

give me links to where both Oba of Benin and Oba of Lagos said the Benin kingdom had yorubas as subjects. I'm waiting.

what Oba of Lagos said is that Lagos was once a Benin territory so it's technically Bini land (note that the Lagos he's referring to is not Lagos state but the eko-idumota side which is around the island and that land can't even be more than 30km square at most). how a half illiterate like you interpreted the above as Benin conquared Yoruba people is baffling. I'm still waiting for your link o

meforyou1:
ok for starters, take this
https://www.nairaland.com/4185186/bini-original-owners-lagos-not
And I have real books, written by real people on bini ownership of lagos and of fulanis invasion of yorubaland and how your people pleaded and white man interceeded.
I swear by now, you would have been hearing emir of ile ife, emir of oyo, emir of ogbomosho, emir of ibadan etc all over yorubaland.

still not making sense. the foolish man that granted the interview has all Yoruba names and speaks Yoruba yet he claims he's a Bini man and also a Lagos indigene. give me link to credible articles of how the Bini kingdom was lord over yorubas. you are not as smart as you're trying so hard to appear

typical ipob liar

meforyou1:
yoruba king? So how did bini warriors travel from benin to lagos unchallenged. And went there and established eko (bini war camp) and had been ruling there since then till date?

all these are just speculations. give me a link to an article or publication with adequate references to justify your claims.

the monkey left out six years of his paymaster. and he calls himself a pastor. shame

meforyou1:
you concocted one lie how one imaginary ibadan army defeated ilorins in a war. And i ask, didnt u ask who told u a simple question? If it is true, why is it that gambari a fulani man is the emir of ilorin till today

go back and read the story!!!

black man mentality is your problem

Fulani took Ilorin. the Fulani people with their Ilorin subjects and some Yoruba traitors attacked osogbo. Ibadan came to osogbo's aid and defeated the Fulani and Yoruba traitors.

which means the yorubas in Ilorin weren't exactly looking forward to being liberated. they worked with fulanis against other Yoruba people.

do I have to open your head and out the book inside?

meforyou1:
did i say benin conquered yoruba? I say benin kingdom extended from benin to dahomey (present day benin republic) ile ife, osogbo, ibadan- all of you yorubas were all subjects of bini king. It's even there in primary school social studies and secondary school geography.

liar give us a link to the story of when the Bini king was giving orders to Yoruba kings

Omo ale oniro