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budaatum:
In as much as you don't provide these meters then OYO!

Simple read it loud so it gets into your head. In as much they (Discos) don't provide these meters, and other equipments (which is their responsibility) then OYO. Manage what you see be it beating during disconnection, hanging after disconnection, etc OYO is their name.

budaatum:
Lawlessness stops them. You know what would happen if nepa go cut light for barracks or ministry.

Below is an example.

Kaduna Electric disconnects Governor Sani’s office over N2.9bn Electricity Debt
https://metrodailyng.com/kaduna-electric-disconnects-governor-sanis-office-over-n2-9bn-electricity-debt/

Then

Kaduna State Shut Down Electric Company For Disconnecting Govt Houses Over N2.9bn Debt
https://thewhistler.ng/kaduna-state-shut-down-electric-company-for-disconnecting-govt-houses-over-n2-9bn-debt/


Do you seriously think I could possibly write all that without reading it like 10 times?

If you read my comments you'd stop saying "I", and instead say "we".

Disco is not playing their part, so we don't play ours. We are not mumu who play our part with discos who don't play their part.

Were you aware that same Kaduna Electric was owning over ₦600m in tax to the state? The simple solution provide prepaid meters (the responsibility of DisCos) and stop looking for customers to extort with your dubious estimated bills. In as much as you don't provide these meters then OYO.

In as much as 1k is what you can afford to lose, no harm in trying, the main thing is not to get addicted, I wish you success on your rollover journey.

nairalanda1:
Actually, you are the one doing it.

You want discos to supply you electricity at a rate that is 'cheap' , which in the real world isnt how it works

If discos are not making a profit, that means there won't be enough money to give you good power supply

Better face reality son.

Good morning

Is ₦209.50 above cost reflective tarrifs or not? I pay you way above cost reflective tarrifs, and you still want me to handle your responsibilities of providing transformers, poles, cables, and handle the cost of maintaining them, who is the thief here, and who is wanting to reap where he did not sow? You are the one running from reality.

budaatum:
More than two is playing this game is the point.

Discos are thieves. They are robbing you when they make you pay for transformers and meter and poles and send you estimated bills, get that in your head.

You are a thief too. You are stealing when you connect wire and steal electricity, get that in your head too. And be patient, because it's not the accusation you think it is because your stealing is very small and insignificant.

You must have read the link I posted that government owes discos ₦4.4T. Basically government is stealing from discos so discos are stealing from you who elected that government by making you pay for poles and transformer and your meter, which is theft.

If government paid discos, that same government will be in a position to protect you from disco stealing from you. But we elect thieves. And those thieves can not hold the discos accountable. And the discos have no incentive to provide us with light they know we will steal. And to reduce their loss due to theft, they steal from you by making you pay for their infrastructure up front because they can.

The consequence of all this theft and stealing is of course darkness. Because, no matter how much you steal, you can't have light when there isn't any to steal. And to be sincere with you, that's the greatest theft, and from you not having light. Because you not having light is a theft of your potential and all you could have done if you did have light.

Solution? Elect government that pays its electric bill so they can stop discos from stealing from you so you don't use disco theft as an excuse for being a thief. Because disco is obviously recuperating its investment and profit and loss due to theft from somewhere, and it's by stealing from you by making you pay for poles and transformer and meter and by increasing the payment of those who pay their bill, or the discos wouldn't be in business anymore. It really is that simple. Funny thing is, for government to pay its bill, it must steal from you in the form of tax. But I guess that's nation building for you. Someone must steal from someone.

Now, this all is not about you personally stealing, because I do understand why you would steal. I steal too because my disco is so useless that it has to steal from me to mitigate its losses due to its incompetence of not having government pay their bill. I have an old meter in one of my homes that I can wind back so it reads less, and I make sure it is read every month when I'm home so I can get a bill.

What the South Africa disco have done is basically tell the Nigeria High Commission to not steal their electricity and just pay their bill or be in darkness. And I hope we learn from them one day because our theft has consequences and darkness is not cheap.

As for my business, I don't do theft business that discos do, and neither does Dangote. We deliver our service and we get paid. And that pay covers investment and refinery building and expenses of getting my gari to market and a decent profit on top, because that is what good business is. And we don't let thieves steal from us neither, and even hedge for loss due to those who might steal from us, because I am definitely not going to let my business get ruined due to theft like the discos are not letting theirs.

What stops Nigerians Discos from disconnecting governments that don't pay their bills? Are you even reading your own comments, If Discos play their part, why shouldn't I play mine?

nairalanda1:
Nothing is free, oga. Nothing is free.

Please make una no amuse me today

You are just running round circles aimlessly.

So gifting workers money, and having white men working a company that you owned 30% of is how wealth is measured? Some of una dey kolo for this forum. How old are you by the way?

Goodmarlian:
I am tired of the level of moral decadence in the world at the moment the fear of hell has declined so christianity is no longer strong enough hold off humanity,now I think islam is better because it the only religion that enforces morality even though it's not perfect,I just like the fact that it I instills fear of God law on humans.
Did you know roughly 40% of our modern women are now lesbians and are proud to say it in public?promiscuity is taking over we are just focused on gays who are minority but don't know women are the time bomb waiting to explode, this is as a result of feminism it's has given women too much privilege and trust me women do not deserve the freedom the world is giving them,to save humanity man must kill feminism or the human race is on the verge of extinction, Islam is the only religion that fully understands this and are willing to enforce it.
The world needs to reinforce useful morality or else we are doomed.

Are you aware that in Palestine a Muslim priest can oil ur 5 year old daughter and all he will get as punishment a warning and advice?

Ogbeni let person here word, are you not a beneficiary yourself? When una no see national cake to shop you start to act and speak as if you care. Instability Kee you there.

budaatum:
No, Jakarta, that is not what you have been saying all along, and electric is different to mast.

Disco can not ask you to pay for a service they can not sell you. Like say no transformer or electric pole in your street, they can not just come bring you bill.

Unfortunately, Nigeria is wọwọ like that, so they can tell you to pay for pole to your house, and even transformer on your street, because of people like you who just steal the electric. That's how bird disco flies when you are stealing, and how they make you pay for your theft. Or did you think your theft was free and your theft had no consequences?

A business man with your mindset will not succeed in business. See you shouting stealing, when all your comments was about stealing from your customers. What make you think only you can steal from customers and not vice versa? For every action there is a reaction. If as a DisCo you can't meet up your primary responsibility of distributing power to my house (service delivered) my handling that responsibility for you should result to some form of compensation from you. But if you think that you are smarter and want to make profits at my own detriment, then 2 can play the game it as simple as that. I recommend you don't run a business with this your mindset, because you will end up crumbling that business and receive serious beating from your customers. A farmer who planted Okra and expecting to harvest a Dangote trailer of yam, will almost end up not getting even a a cup of Okra.

budaatum:
Why will customers pay for erecting the mast? Na me and customer de form company to do business for profit?

Jakarta, of course I don't make a dime without delivering the service! Dangote did not make a dime until he completed his refinery, and I will not make a dime until I get my gari to market and in front of customers. But as soon as I finish building my refinery and get my gari to market in front of customer, I sure will charge customer all the cost of interest on the loan for building my gari refinery and erecting mast to deliver it to my customers who will pay over time or just go buy their gari elsewhere!

Trust me. I am very hard to be taught this your nonsense reasoning. In fact, it's impossible!

At the bolded, can you please help me ask Disco? No you shouldn't have finished the building, you should have waited for your customers to finish building it for you, and sticking it with garri so that you can sell same garri to them and still make profit.

Can you now settle down and read what you wrote gently? Isn't this what I've been saying all this while? Provide the electric poles, transformers, wires, meters, then transfer the cost to your customers as service rendered. Not expecting customers to provide all this and still expecting to charge them on it, that is stealing not business. Why this thing hard for you to understand?

budaatum:
Until I catch you stealing my product of course, and charge you to court for theft, and slap you with estimated bill covering the period you were stealing it plus interest.

Like I said, the better hunter you become the better I will learn to fly.

Until then, but stop crying foul till then lol!!

budaatum:
Who is crying foul? Disco?

Trust me when I tell you it's for show, because I am very certain they are making you cry more by increasing your band tariff.

Or are they not increasing your band tariff and your crying?

Lol Na meter by passing go use head carryam, after all Na my meter I bought it, installed transformer, electric poles and wires, so free light ba sure. Some in my area still do wire hanging till date.

budaatum:
Cry foul, why? Cry go make me profit?

You must have you not heard of the bird that learnt to fly without perching because the hunter has learnt to shoot without missing.

When people try to collect my gari without paying, I will go to babalwo to get juju and will hire security guard to stop them! Make dem try am!

But they are crying foul, and complaining already.

budaatum:
Wrong! I made my business plan that showed my profit way before I invest a kobo, and that's why I got the loan to open disco.

Bank will not lend me money if my business plan did not show I will make that profit, and without the loan, no disco and no service to deliver!


I think you forget that I have a monopoly on you. Or can you go and buy electricity from another disco?

Yes, though, I should supply you with what I sell so I can charge you for it, because I can not exactly charge you for gari you never bought since I'm not a highway robber!


You see the bold? That's exactly what we are trying to tell you.

MTN will indeed transfer the duty cost of erecting and maintaining a network mast to provide you the service as best they can so paying customers can buy it and pay and cover the cost I incur including that of "some customers who borrowed data and airtime and refused to pay".

Or do you seriously think NTN will pay for those customers who borrowed data and airtime and refused to pay?

Jakarta, will you cover the cost of those who refuse to pay you if you be MTN?

Ogbeni you go hard to teach oh!!! You don't make a dime without delivering the service, MTN first erected the mast after which they transferred the cost to the paying customers. Why didn't MTN ask same customer to erect the mast themselves and still charge them for the cost of erection, in such a scenario if you were a customer will you agree?

budaatum:
The primary duty of a DisCo and gari selling me is to make a profit! It is definitely not so you have light or don't starve!

Then don't cry foul when people try to collect your garri for free. So no talk of not paying cost reflective tariffs and all that. You can't plant okra, and want to harvest yam.

budaatum:
Jakarta, with no insult intended, I strongly advice you don't go into, business it very much sounds to me like your intention would nit be to secure your capital and earn an income, but to do charity!

I mean, who else do you expect to "bear the responsibility of building your garri shop, buying the basins and others things to sell your garri for you" if not customers?

As for me, when thieves enter my shop and steal everything, I will increase the cost of my gari to extort you customer to cover my loss. If you no want buy, please go elsewhere!


Dude, you are very wrong! A discos core responsibility (and mine for selling gari) is to earn a profit from distributing electricity (and my gari) to cover all my costs and earn a decent profit so I can pay my investors.


It is you who think you "already paying way over cost reflective tariffs". Disco gari selling me don't give a flying fük about your tariffs or even if you have electricity or eat gari in Band Z. All I care about is my profit. And if you can not pay for my gari in the tariff that profits me, please feel free to remain in the dark, because I definitely did not wake up very early this morning so you can have light to eat my gari in your band!

No insult intended but I strongly believe you don't know anything about running a business, and I recommend you don't run one, because it will cost your dearly. Let me Elim5 yes every business goal is to secure their capital and make profits, that comes after service delivery. A DisCo will only make profit when it performs it's duty of service delivery (distributing power to our homes), a happy customer will always return and buy more.

MTN will not transfer the duty of erecting and maintaining a network mast because customer some customers borrowed data and airtime and refuse to pay, rather they will transfer the service cost to paying customers, but first provide the service to those paying customers this shouldn't be too hard to understand.

nairalanda1:
You are essentially arguing for the right to free power.

Nothing is free

What is the primary duty of a DisCo? And how should asking discos to perform its duties translates to asking for free power? You are the one arguing to reap where you did not sow.

budaatum:
Actually, this your logic is exactly what any business will do, unless they don't want to remain in business!

If I sell you gari and you don't pay, I will definitely increase my price of my gari I sell to others to recoup my loss so I can have enough money to go buy more gari to sell. Because, if I don't, my days as a gari seller will soon end, and because my gari selling is not a charity!

I will even make my paying customers pay for the gari I lost through theft, and that lost through my own incompetence too, and to pay the exorbitant interest I took to buy the gari in the first place, and all the money I paid bandits in police uniform when I was transporting it.

Someone has to pay for you stealing my gari and not paying, and for my loss and for my profit on top, and there is no reason it must be me. And na business!

Please let me know if you will not do the same.

Yes you can do all this no qualms, but should the paying customers bear the responsibility of building your garri shop, buying the basins and others things to sell your garri for you, even after increasing the cost of your garri? If yes, then that is not a business, but an extortion scheme and it is doomed to fail because those paying customers will soon find a way to exploit you too, through looting your shop, buying even higher credits and not paying, and even want to beat you up if you ask them to pay their debts lol!!.

A DisCo core responsibility is distributing power to our homes, if you fail that core responsibility how then do you expect your customers not to fail in their own responsibility of paying for power?

Talking about cost reflective tariffs, Band A users are already paying way over cost reflective tariffs, yet they don't have power, and still perform the duties of DisCos.

nairalanda1:
Yes, because in sane countries everyone pays their bills on time, therefore the distribution companies can afford transformers and so on

Nigeria? First off, only 20% of consumers pay cost reflective tarrifs. Government is struggling to pay subsidies and even the bond they issued to pay for the thing only covers a small amount, not the whole, stealing power or using power without paying for it it something that most people do, and metering doesn't solve the problem. Let's not forget corruption and ripoffs like estimated billing which happen because not everyone pays so discos burden those who do pay

That translates to a sector that loses money and cant afford to buy transformers, polew and wires so people have to buy it.

I am not here to defend any government and if you think I am, then you have missed the point


To make it clear, we all pay cost reflective tarrifs for the phone services we use. As such we don't buy diesel for the generators , we don't buy telecom mast and we don't buy components for the gsm company. Because we pay them a cost reflective tarrifs and because people cannot use phones without paying. The power sector doesn't have that advantage



Any abuse would be reported to the mods

There is no any sane country in the world where everybody pay their bills on time, that's a lazy lie. Making paying customers suffer for a company's inefficiency doesn't make sense one bit. Going by your logic since people borrow airtime without bothering to pay back, should telecom companies see that as an excuse for other paying customers to suffer the consequences of bad debts?

People will pay for what they see and use, and if they fail to do so, then disconnection is sure. A transformer can't be faulty for almost a month and as customers we bear the brunt or fixing it, then a week later a distribution company will slap us with bills without deducting the cost from of fixing the said transformer, that is stealing, unfair and will always be resisted.

As a distribution company if you don't have money to provide the needed structure for your business to run smoothly then you quit and let those that can do it, not transferring your basic responsibilities to consumers all in the name of bad debts, consumers not paying bills on time, not having money, those are lame excuses.

nairalanda1:
In a sane country, when you owe nepa bills , they cut your lights

In Nigeria, when you owe bills, you steal the power and chase nepa officials who come to disconnect you with cutlass and gun. Of course the big men and women ignore

And then we wonder why we don't have light.

In sane countries consumers don't bear the cost of buying electric poles, transformers, wires, etc, it is the responsibility of distribution companies. Left with people like you, consumers will be the ones installing and maintaining telecom masts by now.

romeodunn:
Wouldn't true federalism be a good thing for the country as a whole?

What could be some disadvantages to this system if we tried to implement it ?

Some regions are parasitic, true federalism and resource control will make them bambiala, most especially the northern regions. Through federalism might make the country's breakup quicker than expected.

Talk is cheap, do you mean you don't earn up to 100k a month? If yes you should have built your own wealth now. And if you have done that, why do you want to sell your father's house to treat him?

Ok, now I remember, you really said you want to raise 500k in the next 20 days, guess this is one of the 500k goal billing format. Na poor man dey always be motivational speaker

Sundaydolas:
I’ve noticed something after following many online business discussions in Nigeria.

Most people don’t fail because they’re lazy or not smart.
They fail because they start without structure.

They jump from one business idea to another.

No system. No focus. No patience.

I’m curious to hear from others here:
What do you think is the biggest mistake beginners make online in Nigeria?

Most people fail due to Inconsistency and impatience, and most importantly information marketers who sell fake dreams to them all in the name of an ebook.

Most females attach meanings to wedding gowns. Some even put it on during marriage anniversary. Some families even dress their late females in her wedding gown. I've seen and witnessed it before.

If you are on a tight budget I see no reason for sewing or buying a wedding gown, getting married, and divorcing these days is easy as a handshake.

I miss Explorers was always reading his weird threads here as a user, best YouTube video posts on nairaland goes to weytin dehappen tv straight to the point videos no gorilla or AI narration voice.

Namaster:
This is the reality EVERYWHERE in the world.
The Taliban were just FOOLISH enough to codify it into their laws.

EVERYBODY knows that people get punished DIFFERENTLY for the same crime based on their status, wealth and, in some countries, RACE.

For instance, Robert Morris an American MegaChurch Pastor was recently CONVICTED of raping a MINOR and his punishment was JUST 6 months in jail. Most likely, soft white collar jail too.

If a poor man or black commits the same crime, his punishment would be FAR GREATER than that.

So before ANYBODY castigates the Taliban, let them address their own country's LOPSIDED INjustice system.

See them terrorists, and pedos.

That's how building a house in Nigeria is not for the weak too it's vice versa.

Kemetian:
The reason is because YOU'VE LOSE YOUR VALUES, DUE TO FOREIGN RELIGION.

IN PRECOLONIAL NIGERIA, SHE WOULD HAVE FACED THE MUSIC, AS SURELY AS NIGHT TURNS TO DAY.

But your IMPORTED FOREIGN RELIGIONS preach "FORGIVENESS OF SIN" insofar as you "accept" their FOREIGN WHITE DEITY" as your "lord and saviour".

Meaning Licence to Steal and Loot without consequences.

WHEN YOU ARE READY TO END CORRUPTION, YOU WILL RETURN TO YOUR AFRICAN SPIRITUAL TRADITIONS, where "FORGIVENESS" is NON-EXISTENT.

You are sounding very ignorant. Same pre colonial era that humans were be sold as slaves by their own people? See you who made a post recently about not needing to please God to make heaven is talking about people loosing their values due to the white man's religion. Oh boy stop that the wey you dey smoke.

Vibesman101:
Point out a business where customers make more money from the company than the company.
Every day people are staking, why is that because most people are winning and doing well with it while the losers are seeing this and they continue.
Bro this argument isn't necessarily.
I'm not advising anybody to stop or continue with betting.
All I'm saying is if it's hurting you it's your choice to stop and if it's paying you it's your choice to continue.
All this things you all are agitating for won't work. Life is a choice and everyone has his right to choose.
Your experience is yours.
People will surely learn from you experience but won't take your final action.
Some will learn from your experience and stop and others will learn from your experience and reform their approach towards the game and continue.
I hope this long epistle will make you understand where I'm coming from OK.
I'm not supporting anything or anybody, I'm just saying your opinion shouldn't be forced on anyone period

Is that what you think? I'm not making opinions or forcing it on others, I'm just seeking answers to questions bordering me. It's fine if you don't have answers to my questions okay?

Abeg make una keep am there, if she is extradited to Nigeria she will be celebrated as a queen here.

Village people and Arsenal fans don do combined force on Dorgu. These few periods that Dorgu is starting to get his footing and beaming with stars is when injury came visiting. Just when I'm beginning to like that guy, Nawa for village people.