₦airaland Forum

obaaderemi:
The Nigerians don't hate you and I don't think the Kenyans hate the Nigerians. Nigerians poke fun a lot like other Africans and are easily misunderstood. The only truly hateful specimens here are the "perpetually angry" Kibera Walker and his dear wife of two years, Tasha who has been infected. By the way, did you watch the match?

Yeah I watched the game, am abit disappointed Naija lost.

Hey don't a buse my brothers, am sure your sister Nowe didn't watch the game, he must be following the Kardashian or some fashion stuff.

obaaderemi:
Thank you.

No matter the Hate between us, A black African will always come first.

obaaderemi:
You are cheering an European team against a fellow African team?Is that how hateful and jealous this thread has made you? It's not that serious Nah. I am sure each time Nigeria goes near the English goalposts you scream in fear. Don't worry you will nearly die of heart attack today. Meanwhile we just scored a goal. Don't quote me again until Kenya qualifies for the rugby world cup. Useless Little Indian.

Don't worry, all Kenyans are behind Nigeria.

Nowenuse:
Botswana is a very small country by population with a lot of rescources. They should be doing far better than they are now.

Angola which is comparatively bigger, I do not see anything special about them. They are not that developed.

Kenyans are still learners when it comes to tribalism.

Nigeria's tribalism led to a civil war that claimed about 3 million lives.
Thousands of lives are being lost every year in Nigeria due to ethnic and religious clashes.
Do you know that there are Nigerian cities that are polarized by religion? Muslims live on one side and christians on the other side? Has the division in Kenya reached that extent?
Do you know how many Nigerian towns and cities have been burnt to the ground due to ethnic and religious clashes?

Nigeria was Britain's experiment. We were never supposed to be a country.
Before colonization, the different Kingdoms that make up Nigeria were at war with each other. Some were trying to islamize the others.

Save for Ethiopia, I don't think there is another country in Africa or even the world where different warring Kingdoms and empires were amalgamated into one single country. Ethiopia wasn't even amalgamated like Nigeria.

Imagine Kenya being one country with Sudan, Somalia, Rwanda, Burundi and Ethiopia. Imagine how chaotic it would be. That is what Nigeria is like.

It's unimaginable that you would ignore the effect of a civil war that claimed millions of lives and burnt down many cities and towns to the ground, displaced many more millions, coupled with decades of military rule AND you will call them common excuses.

Excuses after excuses... Just move outside your village and understand how other Countries are...

Anyway am also Tired of this urguements

NairobiWalker:


No wonder he's so delusional. Dude has even never been to Lagos. No wonder he doesn't understand the city well. Please bring me a resident of Lagos.

Imagine aperson in Garisa giving you the prices of houses in Nairobi.

Nowenuse:
I look at Kenya and wonder why Kenya as a country is still competing with countries like Nigeria that fought a civil war for 3 years where millions of lives were lost and many cities burnt to the ground.

Kenya has been enjoying democracy since independence, unlike Nigeria that was ruled by the military for decades. The military rule stalled our progress and took us many years backwards.

Otherwise, Kenya as a country would never have been able to compete with Nigeria. The military rule destroyed everything.

What excuse does Kenya have for still being this backward?

Look at Angola,Botwana and all mineral rich countries. It took a very short time to transform the countries.

We have never had that luck untill recently, without forgetting Kenya is very tribal plus our corrupt system..

Nigeria may look for all excuses in the world to justify it's shit.

Nowenuse:
No it is not cheap, especially in the cheapest part of the city like Roysambu.
I have no problem if a 2 bedroom apartment costs more than that in Madaraka or anywhere in Langata, but in places like Roysambu or Umoja, it is a problem.

I can show you modern houses within Surulere low middleclass neighborhoods that cost half that price. In the pure Lagos low class neighborhoods, you can get a 2 bed room apartment for 1/3 or even less of that price, depending on how low the neighborhood is.

This are just the facilities people around Roysambu enjoy... TRM Mall and Garden City.

Do you even have malls around Surulere?

Nowenuse:
Yes, it was because this area experienced a lot of ethno-religious clashes in 2006, 2008 and 2010.
Clashes that claimed thousands of lives.

Which region is dominant in those areas?

NairobiWalker:
You can only say it's cheap until you see the actual house. To me these houses shouldn't even cost 15k. These houses resemble those Swahili houses in Majengo Slums that cost less than 1k per month. Surely who'll pay 15k for this crap in Nairobi?
https://images.nigeriapropertycentre.com/properties/images/132072/585103_132072-old-block-of-4-nos-of-3-bedroom-flats--block-of-flats-for-sale-masha-surulere-lagos-.jpg

Hahahaha even free I can't.

Nowenuse:
No it is not cheap, especially in the cheapest part of the city like Roysambu.
I have no problem if a 2 bedroom apartment costs more than that in Madaraka or anywhere in Langata, but in places like Roysambu or Umoja, it is a problem.

I can show you modern houses within Surulere low middleclass neighborhoods that cost half that price. In the pure Lagos low class neighborhoods, you can get a 2 bed room apartment for 1/3 or even less of that price, depending on how low the neighborhood is.

A villager in Jos plateau giving me the prices of houses in Lagos..

Nowenuse:
I just saw this post from you.

Jos is the state capital of my state of origin.
No mud houses exist within Jos city like the one in your second picture. It could be an outskirt community but never within Jos city.

Use your google map to scan through the length and breadth of Jos-Bukuru city and tell me if the majority of the houses you see look like what you post up here.

These are google satellite images for Jos below.

Jos city has a very big natural wildlife park within the city as you can see below in the last picture.

When I google jos plateau I see alot of death, is the place a Bokoharam zone?

Nowenuse:
Do you guys think you can deceive anyone here? Nigerians are smarter than that.

If the total population of the northern areas is 3.6 million based on the 2009 Kenyan census. Don't forget that in the same 2009 census, Kenya had only 38 million people. So, that is around 10% of your freaking population.
Only in Africa are we going to hear someone claiming that 10% of a country's population are completely insignificant. That's absolute trash and unreasonable.

North-east Nigeria occupies almost 1/3 of the landmass of Nigeria and contains about 20-30 million people (also approx 10% of our population). Yet they are not underestimated as such.

The development happening in those areas is big after formation of county govt. It's very easy to change the area due to it's small population.

Don't behave like North and south are so united and one.

Northern and southern Naija are like two different countries..From religion, politics,development, Culture..

jaycent:
have you ever been to Nigeria before.

Why?

Nowenuse:
You see that's the problem. 15k shillings (53k naira) per month is too expensive for a 2 bedroom appartment in a place like Roysambu.
In Lagos, any 2 bedroom apartment that will cost that much will be mostly a very beautiful modern bungalow or single story building in a purely middleclass neighborhood.
You can get half the price or even 1/3 to 1/4 of the price if you go to purely lower income neighborhoods.

I hope you can see my point.

Kano

15k is too cheap for atwo bedroom. Am sure the rate in Lagos is higher than your small village.

NairobiWalker:
Actually Northern Kenya is over half of Kenya with less than 10 million people because it's arid. You're wasting you time with this boy

Here are counties that constitute Northen Kenya
Turkana - Area - 68, 680 sq. km - Population - 855,399
Samburu - Area - 20182 sq. km - Population - 223987
Marsabit - Area - 66,923 sq. km - Population -291166
Mandera - Area 25,978 sq. km -Population - 1,026,000
Wajir - Area 55,841 sq. km - Population - 661,941
Garissa - Area 45,720 sq. km - Population - 623,060
Isiolo County - Area 25,336 sq. km - Population - 143,294

Total Area - 308,660 sq. km = 53%
Total Population = 3,681,550

That's only 3.6 million people living in over 53% of the area. Northern Kenya is basically empty land. Only a fool will expect us to build a city in such land. Kenya's population is very unevenly distributed (since precolonial days) and the only reason for this is climate. You don't expect people to live in dry unproductive lands. Even the remaining 47%, Kitui, Tana River, Kajiado and Narok counties occupy almost 40% of it with a total population of less than 3 million - this basically means 80% of Kenyans live in 30% of the land.

Well put.

obaaderemi:
Kano, northern Nigeria

Which region produces more food in Nigeria..

What are the top Cities in the North

Nowenuse:
Pls what are you saying? Why did you not show me the cheaper houses you claim exist in Umoja which is different from the ones we see online, then see if I will argue anymore?.
You claim something exists and I ask you to show me. Is that a crime?
I understand your points and explanations and I ask more questions based on the further researches I did, what is wrong with that?

I have not gone through your pictures of northern kenya. I am just about to.


Hahaha, mind you, the core-north of Nigeria is even more developed than the middlebelt. I bet you never knew this . Kano & Kaduna cities are in the core-north.
A large chunk of we middlebelters migrated to the core-north for better opportunities in the past until we got Abuja (the new capital of Nigeria) in our region in 1992.
This was because the Hausa-fulanis dominated the old northern region which our people were a part of.

Jos and Ilorin were the only major urban areas in the middlebelt and Kano & Kaduna are more developed than both cities.

Those Nigerians who've been in Kenya especially around Roysambu(anigerian hood in Nairobi)kindly educate this guy...

I will give you a Real Example in Roysambu acheap two bedroom apartment will cost 15k while a premium one will cost 40k-60k.If you check online for an apartment in Roysambu you will only see the premium ones, cheap are very easy to fill hence they do not advertise.

I didn't know extreme North was better than Middle belt. Share the Pics..

Nowenuse:
Hmm. Ok. What is the size of northern Kenya compared to the entire Kenya?
Northern Nigeria (by constitutional definition) occupies more than 75% of the entire landmass of Nigeria. I don't think that northern Kenya occupies as much of Kenya as that. Though, northern Nigeria has about 90 million people. But just to let you know that it is not as densely populated as you think it is.

Perhaps, the reason why the region had so few people was cos it remained underdeveloped for a long time and a lot of the natives had to migrate away.
For instance the northwest and southwest in Nigeria have the largest populations, but a very large chunk of these populations are not native to those regions. Both regions had larger urban areas and developments in the past which attracted people from other regions.

That asides, these smaller towns in the north. Can they serve as economic centres to the people? Do they have industries? Are there quality banking and insurance services there? Do they have local and international airports? Can they access high network services like 4G network services for example?

For a region of 10 million people, I think they at least deserve a city of at least 1- 2 million people to serve as an economic centre of it's own.

The region is almost half the Size of Kenya.. It's Impossible to have a city of a million plus the place crazyly sparsely populated, They trade alot in Livestock business which contribute about 10% of our GDP.

In the towns I have shared here you will get all most everything you will get in a stardard town in Kenya...Banks, Airpots,Hospitals..Some of them like Isiolo and lake Turkana are booming in tourism

Green City in the SUN

Nairobi

Nowenuse:
Houses are expensive in Kenya. Ask NairobiWalker who has been with me on this battle journey and ran away.

Yeah, I understand that rent is being paid per month in Kenya which comes with it's advantages, However I think it also comes with more disadvantages. What if a salary earner looses his job and it takes him a long period to get another job? He will automatically be evicted from his house.
In Nigeria, after paying rent for a year, you get at least 3-6 months extra of quit notice before you can be expelled from your apartment. This at least gives you enough time and some form of immunity, don't you think?

Umoja contains the cheapest low income houses in Nairobi and all the houses in Umoja seem to have the same style and pattern and therefore should have the same range of costs.

If you say that there are cheaper houses in Umoja compared to the ones we can see online. Can you pls show us how these cheaper houses look like?

Also, why does the Kenyan govt not give private individuals (not estate developers), the access to lands to build houses? If not within the city, at least on the outskirts of the city. This would have made housing relatively cheaper.

Do you argue to understand or Win?

You have never been in Kenya yet you claim to know our country better than us.

You were complaining we do not showcase the Northern Kenya.. we Just shared... Kindly share what Northern Naigeria has and not the middle belt.

Lodwar Turkana

Lodwar on the North Near S.Sudan.

rvp20182:
Good to see the Arid & Semi-Arid Northern Kenya turning the corner -as Nigeria North is overruned by Boko-haram.
Roads are being done
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Turkana Wind power - is Africa largest
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