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Lived in one of the best baracks in the country back then for a while. The now defunct 311 Field Artillery Regiment, Epe. Well laid out, neat modern buildings all ensuite, electricity and water to all flats and best of all a private beach where we chill out on weekends and eat plenty coconuts. What an experience. It didn't feel like a barrack at all, more like those adventure expeditions. Yes it was far.

brother, this your guy here needs your assistance o. i am writing about the conversion of the barrack to school campus. abeg drop your email here so that i could conduct email interview with you sir. thanks in advance. my no is 07054043435 and my email address is jibolatoye@yahoo.com. my name is OLATOYE JIBOLA GANIU for verification purpose. i am a postgraduate student of history in the Department of History, University of Ibadan.

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fk001:
What are you talking about did i say it was Part of sokoto caliphate?



The OP wrote

" pictures of Emir palace in the North". Or do you want to sideline Borno from northern Nigeria?



Borno it was an empire on its own, it was formerly known as Bornu empire which include Sudan, Niger, chad and some part of Cameroon, before it was further divided into various empires.


Even Bayyajidda the founding Father of Hausa's, met Borno empire as it was, that was during Elkenemi's Era.


Elkenemi gave out his daughter to bayyajida, all these happened before Danfodio came the existence, and i don't have to remind you that Danfodio is the founding Father of Most of the Northern state Emirate, excluding Borno and Yobe.

to start with, you called Bornu a 'emirate' and my comment is to correct that assertion. Bornu was distinct of the Sokoto Caliphate, so, it cant be an 'emirate' of Sokoto.

that is that. Bayajidda was not a contemporary of El-Kanemi. the cleric, El-Kanemi lived in early 19th century while Bayajjida lived in time immemorial. Dan Fodio and his descendants unified the various states in the northwestern part of modern Nigeria. The states had been founded and existed several centuries before Dan Fodio's religious revolution in 1906. Dan Fodio cannot be the founding father of Hausa states like Kano, Zazzau, Gwandu, Gobir, Rano, Daura etc that had been existing several centuries because he (Dan Fodio) lived in the twilight of 18th century and dawn of 19th century.

fk001:
Which entrance is this in fombina palace? because i can't recall this one.




And you forgot to add the oldest emirate in northern Nigeria,



BORNU Empire,


Elkenemi's den.

wrong. Bornu was never part of Sokoto Caliphate; it was an independent, distinct empire on its own. the emirates were to Sokoto Caliphate what states are to Nigeria - they were regional administrative mechanisms created for ease of administration and Bornu was not part of the Caliphate. Bornu had its own subsidiary structures.

The Ownership of Lagos: Going Theoretical.
There is ongoing controversy? Debate? Argument? Well, you can call it anything you like. It centers on the ownership of Lagos and the contending parties are the Yorubas and The Binis. All the contending parties have thrown their evidence in the open to convince anybody that cares of their right to claim ownership of the former capital of Nigeria. Several people have written what could be called their own version on the topic. This paper then tries to scrutinize the evidence being adduced by the two parties against the backdrop of two theories of ownership. The first is what could be called ‘first come, first serve’ being thrown up by the Yorubas and the ‘right of conquest’ as claimed by the Binis.
Geographically, Lagos is situated south to the Yoruba hinterland and west to the Binis. Every time people say ‘Lagos’ one should wonder what they mean. Is it Lagos as a state or Lagos as an administrative division? Currently, Lagos State has 5 administrative divisions namely: Lagos, Ikeja, Badagry, Ikorodu and Epe. There is no controversy over the ownership of the last 4 but Lagos. In fact, there is no controversy over the ownership of some Local Government areas within the controversial Lagos Division like Surulere, Lagos Mainland and Yaba. The controversial ones are Lagos Island Local Government and some parts of Eti-Osa Local Government.
Professor Kunle Lawal of blessed memory and a host of others have established through their various works like Urban Transitions in Africa that the first set of people to arrive and settle in and around the controversial Lagos are the Aworis, a Yoruba sub-group. As if acting on a prearranged accord, almost all of them acknowledged that Benin once conquered the land and established the dynasty that rules till date. These assertions make the job of unraveling the ‘elusive’ owners of Lagos easier. Now, to the main issue.
Using the theory of who arrived first is not just unfair on the Binis but cannot hold water when looked at from the perspective of state formation, possession and development. The Western European states realized the importance of not just laying claim to a territory as the first to reach there but effective possession and protection of the subjects. Thus, there were protectorate territories. What is more! There was no agreement between the Binis and the Yorubas on which theory of ownership to adopt in laying claim to Lagos. Assuming the contending parties belong to the same ethnic group, it could have been a different, straightforward matter. It is not the fault of the Binis that the Aworis couldn’t repel them (Binis) when the former conquered them. Using right of conquest, the Aworis lost ownership of Lagos when the Binis conquered them.
One area that the proponents of right of conquest in explaining the ownership of Lagos either refuse to look into or lack capacity to appreciate is that whatever right Bini had over Lagos was lost in 1851 when British conquered it. Bini did not come to the aid of Lagos, her supposed possession, when it was conquered in 1851 and annexed 10 years later. Two scenarios could have played out then. It is either Bini lacked the military capacity to protect her possession, Lagos, or that the territory had been abandoned by Bini. It doesn’t make logical sense that British forces were not contending with Bini forces in 1851, neither did Bini raise eyebrow in 1861 when Lagos was annexed, yet the supporters of Bini claim she owned and still owns Lagos.
It is noteworthy that some Bini traditions were discontinued by Lagos. A good example is the abolition of the practice of taking the remains of the Oba of Lagos to Bini for burial. The abolition of some Bini traditions was an informal way of showing the end of Bini’s possession of Lagos. The formal end was when Lagos faced the invading British forces by herself in 1851. It was King Dosunmu of Lagos that signed the treaty that ceded Lagos to the British in 1861 and not the Oba of Bini. There is no evidence that he, Dosunmu, was fronting for the Oba of Bini or that he took permission from the former before signing. This could only be interpreted to mean that Lagos was completely independent of Bini as far back as mid 19th century. It now beats one’s imagination when some still sing the song “Bini owns Lagos”.
Yes! It is true that Bini conquered and ruled Lagos for some time but it is also true that Bini either lost interest in continuing the possession or that she lacked the capacity to continue. Whatever the situation was, it is safe for the Aworis to claim ownership of Lagos right now because their influence in Lagos is more prevalent on the polity than any other claimants to it like the Binis, Ijebus, Mahins, Egbas, Ogus etc. Bini’s adventure in Lagos is tantamount to colonization and it has ended. When colonialism ends, the autochthonous owners claim the land just like Nigerians sent Britain packing and took control of their lands in 1960.

Olatoye Jibola Ganiu.
A graduate of History,
Lagos State University,
Ojo, Lagos.
jibolatoye@yahoo.com
07054043435.

The Ownership of Lagos: Going Theoretical.
There is ongoing controversy? Debate? Argument? Well, you can call it anything you like. It centers on the ownership of Lagos and the contending parties are the Yorubas and The Binis. All the contending parties have thrown their evidence in the open to convince anybody that cares of their right to claim ownership of the former capital of Nigeria. Several people have written what could be called their own version on the topic. This paper then tries to scrutinize the evidence being adduced by the two parties against the backdrop of two theories of ownership. The first is what could be called ‘first come, first serve’ being thrown up by the Yorubas and the ‘right of conquest’ as claimed by the Binis.
Geographically, Lagos is situated south to the Yoruba hinterland and west to the Binis. Every time people say ‘Lagos’ one should wonder what they mean. Is it Lagos as a state or Lagos as an administrative division? Currently, Lagos State has 5 administrative divisions namely: Lagos, Ikeja, Badagry, Ikorodu and Epe. There is no controversy over the ownership of the last 4 but Lagos. In fact, there is no controversy over the ownership of some Local Government areas within the controversial Lagos Division like Surulere, Lagos Mainland and Yaba. The controversial ones are Lagos Island Local Government and some parts of Eti-Osa Local Government.
Professor Kunle Lawal of blessed memory and a host of others have established through their various works like Urban Transitions in Africa that the first set of people to arrive and settle in and around the controversial Lagos are the Aworis, a Yoruba sub-group. As if acting on a prearranged accord, almost all of them acknowledged that Benin once conquered the land and established the dynasty that rules till date. These assertions make the job of unraveling the ‘elusive’ owners of Lagos easier. Now, to the main issue.
Using the theory of who arrived first is not just unfair on the Binis but cannot hold water when looked at from the perspective of state formation, possession and development. The Western European states realized the importance of not just laying claim to a territory as the first to reach there but effective possession and protection of the subjects. Thus, there were protectorate territories. What is more! There was no agreement between the Binis and the Yorubas on which theory of ownership to adopt in laying claim to Lagos. Assuming the contending parties belong to the same ethnic group, it could have been a different, straightforward matter. It is not the fault of the Binis that the Aworis couldn’t repel them (Binis) when the former conquered them. Using right of conquest, the Aworis lost ownership of Lagos when the Binis conquered them.
One area that the proponents of right of conquest in explaining the ownership of Lagos either refuse to look into or lack capacity to appreciate is that whatever right Bini had over Lagos was lost in 1851 when British conquered it. Bini did not come to the aid of Lagos, her supposed possession, when it was conquered in 1851 and annexed 10 years later. Two scenarios could have played out then. It is either Bini lacked the military capacity to protect her possession, Lagos, or that the territory had been abandoned by Bini. It doesn’t make logical sense that British forces were not contending with Bini forces in 1851, neither did Bini raise eyebrow in 1861 when Lagos was annexed, yet the supporters of Bini claim she owned and still owns Lagos.
It is noteworthy that some Bini traditions were discontinued by Lagos. A good example is the abolition of the practice of taking the remains of the Oba of Lagos to Bini for burial. The abolition of some Bini traditions was an informal way of showing the end of Bini’s possession of Lagos. The formal end was when Lagos faced the invading British forces by herself in 1851. It was King Dosunmu of Lagos that signed the treaty that ceded Lagos to the British in 1861 and not the Oba of Bini. There is no evidence that he, Dosunmu, was fronting for the Oba of Bini or that he took permission from the former before signing. This could only be interpreted to mean that Lagos was completely independent of Bini as far back as mid 19th century. It now beats one’s imagination when some still sing the song “Bini owns Lagos”.
Yes! It is true that Bini conquered and ruled Lagos for some time but it is also true that Bini either lost interest in continuing the possession or that she lacked the capacity to continue. Whatever the situation was, it is safe for the Aworis to claim ownership of Lagos right now because their influence in Lagos is more prevalent on the polity than any other claimants to it like the Binis, Ijebus, Mahins, Egbas, Ogus etc. Bini’s adventure in Lagos is tantamount to colonization and it has ended. When colonialism ends, the autochthonous owners claim the land just like Nigerians sent Britain packing and took control of their lands in 1960.

Olatoye Jibola Ganiu.
A graduate of History,
Lagos State University,
Ojo, Lagos.
jibolatoye@yahoo.com
07054043435.

We are very united, this is just minor issue among us.

The plot is getting thicker

He's from Uganda and Israel. Like my blodas

Busted again. Jonothing is a big lier. I can see he had shoes

jd1986:
Berlin Conference....una no dey read books?

Logically, Berlin Conference couldn't have brought the British to Nigeria. The conference took place in 1886 while Britain bombarded Lagos in 1851. Lagos was ceded to the British in 1861 by King Dosunmu.

To the person striving to establish that Benin people brought the Portuguese to Lagos, well, it is possible but retrospective insight into your assertion could say otherwise. If you check your map, Lagos comes first before Benin in a voyage from Portugal by sea. Explorers setting out from Portugal will reach Lagos first before proceeding to Benin shoreline. What's more, Benin City is a hinterland city while Lagos is coastal. Explorers always set out from Portugal by mid to late 15th century and sail very close to the coast of West Africa and return to give account of peoples and lands they encountered. Another set would read the account and set out to go farther than the previous ones. They always berth at any available favourable seashore. So, they would have discovered Lagos before Benin. It is possible that they even heard of Benin from settlers in Lagos because Benin Empire was very influential in that area. Well, what do I know! All these are just speculations albeit based on some facts

Read voyages of discovery and exploration with clear mind to understand this. I have a book called 'Ten Who Dared'. I can't borrow anybody; it is my Bible of history of exploration and I don't think it's still available in market.

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