hopefulLandlord:
What's to function of the holy spirit? and why are two people talking to the same holy spirit and getting contradictory messages?

There are many causes to getting contradictory messages. God is not an author of confusion. Without assumption, some of the causes are:
1) If it is a person that claims to have gotten the message from the Holy Spirit, he might be
a) He might be intentionally lying for a purpose.
b) he might be working with a familiar spirit.

2) If the person is faithfully praying to God, then it could be:

a)not hearing clearly: This happens when a message comes and you are only able to hear part of it. some people end up filling the space by themselves(assumption)

b) People receive a message and deliver their interpretation of the message instead of the real message.

3) Human spirit: Some people hear their own spirit give them words. It is sometimes accurate.

4) Unclean spirit: this sometimes interfer and speak to people.

hopefulLandlord:
What's to function of the holy spirit? and why are two people talking to the same holy spirit and getting contradictory messages?

The function of the Holy Spirit is stated very clearly in the Holy Scriptures:
Joh.14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, He shall teach you all thing, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you.

Joh.16:13
Howbeit when H,e the spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into into all truth: for He shall not speak of himself; whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will show you things to come.

With these Scripture we know some of the function of the Holy Spirit:
1) To remind us about what we have been taught.
2) To teach us.
3) To tell us whatever Christ is say to us: as individual or as a Church.
4) To show us things to come: vision, dream,trance, revelation of the word.
5) To guide us.
6) To defend us: as a comforter. Ecc.4:1

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Contrary to the thoughts and ideas that Christianity is divided by denominations, the denominations are different part of a single body (The Church).
Each denomination has what it supply to the body of Christ. Each has their mandate (assignment)
What God want to acheive with each denomination is different. By bringing all together, we will then have a well equipped and balanced Church.

Some Churches are:
1) Faith based
2) Leadership Oriented
3) Prophetic
4) Deliverance
5) Word based

Each denomination doing their thing is a blessing to the entire body, as each one does deep and concentrated study on his mandate.
No true Church is Isolated as messages and teachings from one denomination flows to the other. Just like the human body with many parts, each part has it's function and each joint what it supplies, but all work together for good to the advantage of the other. Having two right legs in a body is very odd.
It is also a way God moves on with His work when some resist Change and new of God

danvon:
where did i mention I'm a Muslim? so anyone who criticize Jews is a Muslim, the people who practice Judaism today are Jews, if you practice Judaism you're a jew, he's referring to those who go to synagogues

It had been that way since ancient time, that those that practice judaism are called Jew. My point is this; the scripture you quoted 'Rev.3:9' is not an indication that the people there now are not the original Jewish-Israeli. I have seen muslim quote that scripture to claim that the curren Jews are fake, that is, they were not the ones God gave the land to. An argumet that is false.

Hati13:
Olu317,

Semitic and Ancient Egyptian languages didn't have mother-son relationship. They have only common ancestry (Afroasiatic), so this Hebrew didn't develop from Ancient Egyptian language.

Omotic was 1st and Semitic was the last to split from Afroasiatic.

The Hebrew language was already being spoken before their going into Egypt. There might have being some influence though, just as we have it today where some language use english words inbetween their sentence.

danvon:
I know how stubborn you are and won't want to hear the truth, two wrongs don't make a right both Jews and Arabs reject Jesus, you call Ishmael a bastard remember that God promised to make him a great nation, Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of SATAN, which say they are JEWS, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." There's only one religion that uses synagogues and it's those who call themselves Jews, you can be Jewish if you accept Judaism, stop talking about Jews like they are saints the world isn't divided into Jews and Arabs.

Muslim claim the new testament is not correct, but when you want to defend your lies, you quote it. did you read that scripture very well. That scripture wasn't talking about their nationality but their religious practices, He called them synagogue of satan. You quote is in error.

danvon:
How is supporting Israel a Christian Stance?

Supporting Israel is inline with the gospel. If you look through the scriptures most especially the prophecies, you will understand why Christians support.

Contrary to the thoughts and ideas that Christianity is divided by denominations, the denominations are different part of a single body (The Church).
Each denomination has what it supply to the body of Christ. Each has their mandate (assignment). What God want to acheive with each denomination is different. By bringing all together, we will then have a well equipped and balanced Church.

Some Churches are:
1) Faith based
2) Leadership Oriented
3) Prophetic
4) Deliverance
5) Word based

Each denomination doing their thing is a blessing to the entire body, as each one does deep and concentrated study on his mandate.
No true Church is Isolated as messages and teachings from one denomination flows to the other. Just like the human body with many parts, each part has it's function and each joint what it supplies, but all work together for good to the advantage of the other. Having two right legs in a body is very odd.
It is also a way God moves on with His work when some resist Change and new move of God.

Empiree:
shaking my head. Keep serving European Jewish god

Actually it's God. smirk...Either way, it's been a wonderful debate. Happy celebration to all who sees this post.

Empiree:
your understanding is quite deficient, and I think it is a waste of time to try to argue this out. You are not istaeli. You are not a Jew. So you have no business defending oppression. Christians are cohoot in oppression and oppressors and their supporters can never be my friends. When America gives back America to Red Indians, only then Israel's claim may worth consideration

My understanding is not deficient and can never be. I have the mind of Christ. I saw ahead. I knew this would happen. I was not looking for a friend in you, it was a debate and you couldn't stand your ground. They have the land now and nothing can take it. The picture is before all, let's see how it plays out.

Empiree:

I told you that I do not want to delve deep into religion on this matter, but you insisted on it.
I asked if you will be open minded,you said it is not a matter of being open minded
I posed some questions to you, you said they were lumped up.
I posed some questions to you again, this time very well spaced, you said they are some how.

Now you are quoting falsehood to defend your errors.

Your quran talks about the Torah, Tenahk, The Holy Bible (Old and new testament). None of these satifies your quran.

We judge scriptures with scriptures, mohammed condemned all. When even Jesus that is higher than all quoted from it and did not condemn any, But He came to fulfill it. Jesus referred the people to the Books to confirm that He is the messiah.
Yet mohammed says they are all wrong.
My question to you amongst the ones I asked before is;
What is mohammed trying to hide? I want you to give your life to Jesus Christ. He is Lord.

PrecisionFx:

Do a study on the demography of Israel and you will realise that the term jew is used jew is used to discribe the people.
There are Herald Jew, none herald Jews, Arab israeli.
The religion of the people is Judaism not just a tribe.
Study the Demography of Israel
My use of the word Jew is very much inplace.
So, the Europea Jews were part of the people that scattered from Israel during the Roman attack. The Jews have strong traditions and have kept them.

mickeymimi:
Of course Kemi is a trouble maker .. God can still humble her...
If the pastor has forgiven her and she is still held in prison cos of him ...then he should fight for her release ..then minister Jesus to her...I pray she does not die in that prison....and for the sake of her Children ,, she is is a single mother of 4 ..she cannot be punished forever for this offence na

Eze 18< 23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?

let her humble herself and ask for forgiveness. Let her tell the world that she was wrong, and that should settle it. Instead of playing the victim of an investigative journalism. Even the Bible said Ask.

dondemex:
Pastor preaching forgiveness that can't forgive is that one pastor.

Did she openly ask for forgiveness? I didn't see one sha.

danvon:
alBHAGDADI is saying rubbish and you know it, it's the Bible don't twist it to support nonsense there was no nation called Israel in the new testament it was called Judea you know it's the truth

Ok, now you believe in the new testament.

Looking at the new testament,
1) Who were those described as living in all those areas?
Jews
Not muslims nor Arabs but Jews.

It was clear that they were under roman rulership

2) So, when Nigeria was still under the british, the people no longer have a land.

The Scripture is clear on all these things. The land belong to the Jews and can't be taken away.

PrecisionFx:




The people living in the united states of America are Europeans. Same goes wit the people living in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc.

They suppress n kill the locals/owners in these countries listed above and take over their countries leadership.

For ur information, There have always been BLACK ARABS in Saudi Arabia. There's a lot u need to read oga

Can you see your flaws? you call them BLACK ARABS, just as you will call BLACK AMERICANS: blacks living in America who moved their from their origins.
To make your flaw clearer to you:
1) The Jews are not black but White.
2) they moved from Israel to Europe.
3) They stayed for a long time.

Question:
What will you call them?

incase you do not know

European Jews
Just like black americans, native americans

Empiree:

If the worship of the one and true living God was passed down from generation to generation among the Jews. Then I ask you again
1) What was the god of the preislamic mecca?
2) What was the name of the quarysh (mohammed's tribe) god?
3) What was mohammed's gradfather's duty.
4) What was mohammed's father's name?
5) What was the kaaba to them?

With this few questions to start with, what then was passed unto mohammed?

Anser the question above.

Note: As believers( what is known as christians today), we judge scriptures by scripture by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, but mohammed condemned all the scriptures so that nothing can be used to judge his words and works. So that anything that contradicts his doing in the scripture is error.

Empiree:
this is waste of time. Quran is on point. It says without mincing words that Abraham was a muslim. Where in your Bible it says Abraham was christian or Jew?. I will be waiting for your answer. Meanwhile, what type of worship did he pass down to his children, Judaism or christianity?. I need your answer

It is funny how you try to manover. Abraham sent Hagar and ishmael away, right. We know he went to the pagan nations and dwelt among them (common sense: the nations around were pagans). Abraham taught Isaac the way for over forty years, isaac taught his sons, Jacob had his own personal encounter. Jacob taught his children. God raised moses who taught them the law and ordinaces of God. The practice of what moses taught is called Judaism.
Remember that this same God Identified Himself with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and gave them what to do. If mohamed says what these people taught and did is a lie, them mohamed is telling lies. Answe the question I asked before.

alBHAGDADI:
In what way are Muslims obeying the Mosaic law for you to assume they are entitled to a land that was never promised to them?

Below is one of the laws which Muhammad himself broke and which Muslims are breaking today.

Leviticus 11:6

The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you.


(Sahih Bukhari, Hadith: 2572. Also see: Hadith: 5489, Sahih Muslim, Hadith: 1953 and Fathul Bari, Hadith: 5535)

“We chased a rabbit at ‘Mar az Zahran. The people ran after it but got tired. I got to it, took it and brought it to Abu Talhah (radiyallahu ‘anhu) who slaughtered it and sent its haunch or thighs to Rasulullah (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam). [Shu’bah rahimahullah, one of the narrators said, “There is no doubt that it was its thighs”] Nabi (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) accepted it. I asked, ‘Did he eat some of it?’ He replied, ‘He ate some of it.’ Then he later said, ‘He accepted it.

They won't see it.

orisa37:



so they say The Afonjas no longer exist on their God-given land.

There is no wisdom in your words. Just leave the space for people that have what to say.

PrecisionFx:



The people living in Israel are Europeans.

Heya! sorry. So, now, the black africans that travelled to saudi arabia are now Arabs. Do you think it is everyone that disconnect from their roots when they travel out of their home land.
Ask yourself; the people living in America are called what?
Have you not seen people tracing their roots?

gabe:
Israelis are just like fulani. Fvckng land grabbers

Are you a good student? You just took time out to type rubbish.

danvon:
Historically Israel has no original land according to the Bible Israel was divided into Israel and Judah, Israel consists of 10 tribes capital Samaria, Judah consists of 2 tribes capital Jerusalem, Israel was conquered by Assyrians, no nation has been called Israel for over a millennium even in the New Testament it wasn't called Israel

You are very wrong, just like alBHAGDADI said. Go and re-read your the Holy Bible and history. It may be that you just want to lie.

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Empiree:

The interpretation of Jer.8:8, is not that of changing the Torah but of wrong interpretation of the Torah, and disobedience to the law. In Mal. 4:4, God told the people of Israel to remember the law of moses. If it were erroneous, God would not have told them to remember it years aftet the prophet Jeremiah whom you quoted. the original manuscripts are well preserved.
If you study that same book of Jer. From chapter 7 to 10, you will see that it was a clear case of disobedience. Also Ezra read the law to the people Neh 8, 13-14, and 18.
To confirm this to you, Jesus talking abou the teachers of Israel in His time on earth: 2) Saying, the scribes and the pharisees sit in moses' seat:
3) All therefore whatevere they bid you to observe, that observe and do; but do not you after their works: for they say and do not.
4) For they bined heavy burdens and grievous to be borne; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. Matt. 23:2-4

Empiree:

You religion is funny. I never told you Abraham was a pagan. Abraham served the living God, He passed the worship on to his descendants Isaac, Jacob, Israel. God Himself Identified with them as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. No where did He ever call himself the God of Esau, nor Ishmael. Your mohammed acknowdge Him as the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jecob, Israel (nation), but the Holy Bible never for ones acknowledged Him as the God of Esau nor Ishmael.
In fact, the surrounding nations were pagans, the entire world was given to pagan worship at that time, which included mecca, canaanites, philistin,e etc.
Listen, mecca before mohammed worshipped over 360 gods. mohammed came from the tribe of quraysh who worshipped hubal.
Hubal was considered in mecca as the greatest of the god, and mohammed's family was the custodian of the hubal.
The gods of the region were referred to as ilah, while hubal was refered to as Al-ilah (the lord)= allah.

Empiree post =63635792:
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I like the way you have taken it. First of all, that man that identified himself as rabbi is in error about the prophecy he analysed. During the course of our discussion, I will show you what it all really mean. Also, in one of your posts, you said Jesus cursed the Jews. This is a lie (your Quran is wrong). Matt 2:21 let's us that Jesus came to save is peopl from their sin. His mission is to save not to curse. Jesus knew He was going to be crucified and prophesied it, even when He was rebuked by his disciple peter, He rebuked peter back, by because that was why He came. Mark 8:31-32. Why Jesus was on the tree before He died, He said, "And Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” Mark 23:34.

One of the questions I asked you was, " why are all the prophets and apostles before mohammed wrong ? The quran had altered everything the Bible has. mohammed condemned what the apostle wrote even though he was not with Jesus. Jesus specifically called these ones, and they stayed with Jesus for three years plus. mohammed altered the Torah (5 books of moses).

You said Abraham was a Muslim because he was from Ur.

Now let me show you from the Bible that they were Idol worshippers. Gen. Jesus 31:26-30 Laban who also was Jacob's uncle asked Jacob for his god's. Abraham took a wife for Isaac from his family, and Isaac sent Jacob back there, so they were idolaters.
See also Gen. 35:2-4, All the servants that Jacob worshipped idols.

If therefore they were idolaters and you said what they did then was islam, then Islam is idolatry.

If you want to deny the fact that Islam is idol washipping repackaged, then, what was the religion of the ancient people of mekka mecca , how many gods do they serve in mecca, what was mohammed's grandfather's name and what was his job. YAWEH IS NOT Allah.

Empiree:
smh, see how you lumped everything together. Lord have mercy.

I am a Christian, and I do not believe in your prophecies. For me to believe your islam is the real religion, you have to clear a lot of questions. What you saw up there was to prepare your mind. Each question is well stated and not lumped like you state, but related to each other. Settle with the qustions and start your answers from your strongest point. You have time, defend your islam. The questions are before you.

Empiree:
Remember also that the people pushing for "jewish state" are White European parading themselves as Jews. Thats', they are European who converted to Judaism but in reality, they have nothing to do with ancient Jews. Don't you think they need to return to EU themselves?

The people you said are not Jews are real jews who escaped to Europe and returned. Contrary to what you stated in your earlier post, my arguments were not flawed. I know very well that religion is required to iron out this, but if I delved deep into religion, the thread will change. So now, what is the origing of islam? what religion was in mecca? what was kaaba to them? Did mohamed claim he was possessed? How is YHWH the same as allah? if you claim it's the same, why does the God of the jews suddenly want them dead? why are all the prophets and apostles before mohamed wrong? was mohamed not instructed to worship the gods of the pagan land that he conquered? Didn't want to do it this way before. Answer

Empiree:
Now you are talking. Welcome to the world of KNOWLEDGE. Welcome to the World of Islam. Are you ready to learn or you want to continue "bragado"?.

If you humble yourself and ready to learn, only then you will be able to understand verses i quoted earlier. In fact, i like the fact that you raised this questions now, especially when you asked 'why is their (jews) mode of worship different from muslims'. Your reply to this will determine if i have to go ahead or not.

world of islam, not so. I would have liked to see your point of view on the new subject. The very reason why I tried to avoid religion was to avoid the deviation of the thread from the main focus. Now that we are clear on history and religion on this topic, I would like you to create a topic and quote me here, leaving the name of the topic so that I can search for it. I really do not think there is anything new you can tell me about islam that I don't already know. I hope you are open minded for a debate

Empiree:
The verse addresses Abraham and Abraham from Ur. And Abraham was muslim not Jew

Qur'an speaks


[i]Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. And he was not of the polytheists.

To refute your argument about islam being the religion of Abraham. Know this, there was nothing like islam until over 500AD. There was no record of it in any religious book. So Abraham was never a muslim, and thus no condition of being a muslim was attached to possessing the land. If the condition was to be a muslim, then I ask; where the Jews muslims when they inherited the land? If you say yes, then why is the pattern of their worship differnt from the muslims, and it's recorded in the Tenakh, and mohamed never learnt islam from them? If you say no; how then did they possess the land, not being muslims? The backing of the UN is not corruption. Is the coalition of islamic countries bribe. It's friendly vote.