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isaiah9:
You guys have been praising this daredevil season 3 which makes me wonder, what about season 1&2? Are they not interesting? Coz i wanna watch the series.

dubylhover:
Just finished watching the young pope...definitely a 9/10..very good acting....

izzou:
God bless you

alBHAGDADI:
jiggaz, I will advise you read the transcript below. It totally exposes the falsehood of pre-tribulation rapture.

www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/after_the_tribulation.html

alBHAGDADI:
You say I should not mistake Mathew 24 with 1 Thessalonians 4:16. If you check very well, but passages are speaking about the rapture. Both events speak of the same thing e.g a trumpet, angels, Jesus descending from heaven and the elect getting gathered. How you think they are separate events is what baffles me. Read the passages again.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Mathew 24:29-31

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Now, you say the passage in Mathew 24 was Jesus speaking to Jews, which means everything in that passage is for the Jews alone and not for Christians. That is wrong. If you go to Mark 13, you will see the same story there. As if God knew some people will come up with a clever lie that Jesus was only talking to the Jews, God ensured that the last verse of Mark 13, which speaks of the same story in Mathew 24, clearly state that it was a story for ALL.

Mark 13:37
And what I say unto you I say unto ALL, Watch.


What Jesus said wasn't for the Jews only but for everybody.

You say the rapture as seen in Mathew 24 isn't the rapture, yet you haven't shown me where the Bible speaks of another rapture apart from Mathew 24. Perhaps you think 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 is another rapture. I just showed you that the event in that passage is the same as we see in Mathew 24.

Mathew 24 doesn't say Jesus is coming down with his saints. It simply says He appears in the sky and sends his angels to GATHER His elects from the four winds i.e from all corners of the earth. But you say he is coming down with them. Where is that written?

Forget about what jack Kelly says and focus on the Bible for yourself. Jack Kelly is a man who can get things wrong but not the Bible.

Ataegbiti:
Jiggaz, Albhagdadi, Doughziay, u guys re the bomb!
I m always on the look out for those hu bliv n preach the true, pure, undiluted gospel of Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ thru faith alone. I m happy to high heavens when I find one.
The dearth of preachers hu understand God's grace /plan of salvation is very depressing to me. All our 'celebrated' preachers don't even understand the very basic foundation of our faith - GRACE!
U re not a christian if u aren't saved n if u don't understand God's grace thru whc He saves us, I don't know how u became (or claim to be) a christian.
People need to hear the true gospel. The sad thing is, wen this pure n simple message of the gospel is presented to them, they would rather hold on to their man-made plan of saving themselves by working to complement God's grace. It breaks my heart!
Brothers, thank you for spreading the true gospel. God will surely bless you..

alBHAGDADI:
Jiggaz, I can't believe you of all people, who go about preaching that only Jesus saves, and that humans cannot save themselves, is the same person saying that those left behind in your concept of rapture will have to pay for their salvation with their own blood.

Now, you said Mathew chapter 24 wasn't written to the church but to the Jews. That is totally wrong. Jesus was the one speaking in Mathew 24 and he was doing that to his disciples, not to the Jews. Remember it was his disciples that asked him to tell them what the signs of the end time will be.

Mathew 24:3
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Now you claim that the church will be raptured before the tribulation. This is also wrong, my friend. The Genesis of your misunderstanding is you thinking the tribulation is actually the same thing as God's wrath poured on the wicked. That's why you think Christians won't be around. Christians won't be around during God's wrath on the wicked because they are not appointed onto wrath.

1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Now, how did I know that the church will be around during the tribulation? It is there in the same Mathew chapter 24.

Mathew 24:29-31

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

As you can see in verse 29, the tribulation occurs before the elect are raptured in verse 31. Jesus second coming is not a secret event as many false teachers have taught. It will be witnessed by all who will be alive then. Verse 30 proves that.

People have mistaken the phrase "as a thief in the night" to mean no one will see Jesus when he comes i.e he will come secretly to rapture the church, then he will now come a third time to destroy the wicked. This is false. The phrase like a thief in the night simply means no one knows the hour or time he will come. If you've ever been robbed by thieves, I believe you never saw it coming nor did they announce to you that they will be coming. That is what Christ meant when he used that phrase. No one knows the hour or day he will come.

The same language used in Mathew 24:29-31 is the same language used below.

1 Thessalonians 4:16

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


My friend, you need to study more on rapture to know what it truly is.

cc izzou

alBHAGDADI:
You didn't understand that part. Yes, Christ has paid for our sins, this means sin cannot prevent us from eternity with him.

But when we sin here on Earth, our loving father can decide to punish us for it here on Earth. That is His way of correcting those He loves. If you steal, you might get caught and sent to jail. Stealing is a sin, going to jail for it is facing the punishment for the sin. But whether you face it or not, such sin cannot make you lose your salvation.

Do you get it now?

izzou:
God bless you sir

cc:alBHAGDADI

alBHAGDADI:
What is a Good News? Let me give you two scenario.

A man tells you he wants to give you a skyscraper in Eko Atlantic City. He says all you have to do is accept the keys from him and he will take you to where the finished skyscraper is. Isn't that Good news?

A man says he wants to give you a skyscraper in Eko Atlantic City. But he says you will have to do the WORK of building it from foundation to the last floor all by yourself without help. That is you will mix the cement, mould the blocks, bend the irons and carry out all the manual labour yourself.

Which of the two scenario sounds like Good News?

You see, Good news never has any blemish or a tiny fraction of sadness. It is purely good news that gladdens the heart.

Today, preachers lie about what salvation truly is. They tell you that Jesus died for your sins and that you have to believe in Jesus to prevent you from going to hell fire. They are right in that regard, but they throw in a sad news into the good news thereby corrupting it.

They tell you that once you accept Jesus, all your previous sins are forgiven. But henceforth, every sin you commit will be upon you and can prevent you from having eternal life thereby subjecting you to damnation in hell fire. They basically say when you accept Jesus Christ, you get salvation and eternal life. But when you commit a little sin, you lose the eternal life and your salvation. So in order to avoid that, you have to live a holy and righteous life. This is false and unscriptural.

John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The above verse doesn't say once you sin, the everlasting life you have as a result of belief in Jesus will be lost. It simply says belief in Jesus has given you everlasting life, no one can make you lose it, not even yourself. If you can lose the eternal life, which is life never ending, then it wasn't eternal after all.

These false preachers are saying that you have to live a righteous life to earn salvation, whereas salvation is a free gift God gave into us. We did nothing to deserve it. It is by Grace.

Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is by works, then many people will boast when they get to heaven. They will say things like "I never sinned, I paid my tithes, I gave to the poor, I didn't fornicate etc, that's why God allowed me into heaven". Jesus spoke of such people.

Mathew 7:21

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You see, the people in verse 22 we're trusting in their works to save them. That's why they reeled out all the WORKS they've done with the hope that it is what will grant them eternal life. They were basically depending on themselves.

They will be two kinds of Christians on judgment day. The one who will say the reason why he deserves eternal life is because he was a good Christian who did all sorts of Works, and the one who will say the only reason he deserves eternal life is because he believed in Jesus who died to pay for it.

The first set of people are like those in verse 22. Jesus will kick them out because they never acknowledged him in their statement. They gave no regard to his work on the cross. It shows they were never saved. That's why Jesus told them in verse 23 "I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity". They did all the good works but still they never got eternal life because they didn't put their hope in Jesus. They were simply boasting forgetting that we owe it all to Jesus.

Imaging you want your friend to use his vehicle to take you to Badagry and he says you will have to fuel it, which you did. Won't you feel somehow when you get to your destination and he starts telling people that you won't have made it there if not for his vehicle? I believe you will quickly remind him that you paid for the fuel that powered his vehicle. The both of you will have to share the glory because you both worked.

Concerning eternity, there's nothing you did. You depending on works means you want to share in God's glory. That's why your kind will boast on judgement day that you did so so and so. Christ did it all on the cross. All we have to do now is have faith in his finished work on the cross which makes us righteous and forever deserving of eternal life.

If you are still trusting in your works to save you from damnation, then it means you are rejecting what Jesus did on the cross. He paid for our eternity, but you feel you don't need his effort, you want to pay it yourself. Your effort can never be enough. It will only earn you damnation. This is all because you think sin is what sends people to hell.

Do you know that sin is not what sends people to hell? What sends people to hell is rejection of or lack of believe in Jesus Christ.

John 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


If you believe in Jesus, you already have everlasting life


John 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Once you believe in Jesus Christ, you have eternal life and nothing can make you lose it, not even yourself. Those who trust on their works don't believe such, that's why they are trusting in themselves for salvation. That's why they are not saved and not a sheep of Jesus.

John 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

30 I and my Father are one.


Verse 28 says Jesus gives his sheep eternal life and they shall never perish. He even said no one can pluck them out of his father's hand. This means you can't lose your salvation. Nothing you do will ever make you lose your salvation. You are totally safe in God's hands. Today's preachers have call Jesus a liar when they say you can lose your salvation. No one can pluck you out Jesus hand.

But wait, what if you sin? You will get punished here on Earth, but that sin, no matter how terrible it is, can never make you lose your eternal life.

jiggaz:
One of my biggest testimonies of believing the Gospel of Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ is this...

Before knowing and believing the Gospel of Grace i. e Justification by faith alone.... I always have demonic attacks. I was a Christian but i did not know who i am in Christ because of the Law Preaching / Condemnation my pastor then always preaches. I was having serious spiritual attacks and anytime, i sleep, its always warfare with demonic entities trying to kill me...

1) I have been shot in the dream with a bullet.

2) I have been attacked with different weapons by demonic spirits in the dream.

3) Sometimes when i sleep, i will wake up suddenly in the night and in a trance, see a wild animal sleeping beside me & i will shout but the thing will kind of vanish.

4) I have been reported by somebody to a shrine and they invoked one useless disease that wanted to disfigure my face way back then....

5) I have been attacked spiritually in the night that most times, i will wake up in the middle of the night shouting cos a group of strong men wanted to bury me inside a pit...

I have seen so many things and have ran helter skelter, from one deliverance to another. Some worked but still the attacks continued. God was protecting me then cos He's the Almighty......

But in June 2015, my sister gave me Pastor Joseph Prince's videos to watch... I started listening to his teachings on Grace, Truth, Jesus Christ and His Finished Work on the Cross.. and i was transformed!!! After one month of studying his teachings, cross-checking from the bible and being established in the fact that I am the righteousness of God in Christ, all those nightmares stopped completely!! I told everyone close to me cos i was soooooo happy!!!

The Gospel of Grace saves!! Knowing that Christ has made me righteous apart from my works!! I sleep soundly now, no more nightmares .... That's why i push the grace gospel here cos i know that so many people need it to be free!!

When you are established in the Gospel of Grace, the devill will become powerless in your life. That is why he is fighting the Gospel of Grace so much.... Grace is a person and it is our Lord Jesus Christ!!

I am also very Happy that this Gospel of Christ have spread all over the world... from America to India to Australia to everywhere!!!

solite3:
Amen. there are so much deep mysteries in Christianity yet to be unraveled.

solite3:
great article.