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Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 10:20am On Mar 04, 2017
analice107:
Cc: Shadeyinka. Do you agree with the interpretation up here?
Sister I believe you dont need abt other confirmation to bro charlyg1 interpretation because you have the Spirit of God and should allow the Holy Spirit to help discern this. not saying this because the interpretation is from bro Charles but because I knew in my spirit that he got it right.
Hebrews: 1. 13. But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14. Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

You see from the scriptures above that God has not given then angels any authority over us but angels are there to minister FOR for us who are in Christ Jesus. Even though the angels minster for us, 1. They are sent forth by God which means they get there GO AHEAD from God before they do anything for us and 2. They don't MINISTER anything OUTSIDE the Word.

They angels are not there to communicate with us or have any conversation with us because God has placed us above them. They work for us only at the command of God but not to ask from them for revelation.
1 Corinthians: 2. 10. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

This scriptures is very clear without any further explanation but I will add this sister, the Holy Spirit is the only Person that can reveal the deep things of God to us and not angels. The moment any angel start given someone Revelations that does go on line with the Word of God, then something is wrong somewhere which need to be checked immediately without delay.


Going by your dream, an evangelist is one who is servant of God who is called to preach and evangelise the gospel to the world, one who travel from one point to another preaching the goodnews and bring people to Christ and God major purpose is to keep His servant alive and protect Him at all cost from the kingdom and powers of darkness and empowering him/her to do the work He has called the evangelist for.

But from your dream, it says the angels murmur because the man of God is alive to continue doing the work of God, doesn't that tell you something? will true angels of God murmur for what God is doing? don't also forget that the Word of God is true and its never written that angels of God will murmur or go against the Work of God except the fallen angels.

God bless you sis
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 5:46pm On Feb 28, 2017
I got this and I know it's worth sharing

IT'S A TRAP. DON'T FALL FOR IT.

THIS IS QUITE LENGTHY. BUT PATIENTLY READ THROUGH.

I knew this guy.
We both started out seeking truth from the Word. Although I must confess, he seemed hungrier than I was. This guy had so much fire and passion inside of him and he wasn't ashamed of Jesus. He was actively involved in evangelizing and discipling people. Many younger folks had come to know the Lord through him. Although we lived world apart, we often met once a month whenever I was in his city for a monthly meeting I was holding there. He was one dude I was proud of. He was crazy for knowledge.

But things began to get grey.
First, he got so drunk with knowledge that he came to the point where he saw prayers as unnecessary. God has done everything in Christ, he'd say. There's nothing to pray about. He stopped his daily prayer exercise. He'd rather study the word and read books.

Then he started questioning how things were done in his church. How the rich there didn't care for the poor. He began having issues with almost everything in the church. He started withdrawing. He was a cell leader there. He quit. On Sundays, he'd just go online and join a particular forum where people like him meet to discuss scriptures.

Then, he started hating the word "DO". He'd rather hear DONE. If you say the Believer ought to DO this thing, he'd say you're slipping back to the law. The Believer ought to DO nothing, he just relishes in what Christ has done. Period. That was his mantra.

Then he started questioning the teachers who he used to listen to excitedly and he began to despise their teachings. He seemed to have suddenly outgrown all of them in knowledge.

One day, we were talking and he said, if everyone became sinners because of what Adam did, isn't everybody righteous because of what Christ did? At the time, I didn't know there was any such thing as universalism. And unfortunately, even I had not thoroughly understood Rom. 5:12-18. I tried to explain why people had to believe before they could be saved and called righteous, but he didn't seem convinced.

Months passed by. And one of those he was discipling called to tell me that this my friend had gone AWOL with his knowledge. He was now uttering nonsense. I determined to see him the next time I came to his city. He tried hard not to have to see me but it didn't work. We eventually met. Tell me about this your new set of revelations, I asked. And he opened the floodgates.

How do you know that Jesus is truly the Son of God? He asked me. I was startled. Because the Scriptures say so, I responded.

How do you know that you can depend on the scriptures?
I said, because it is by the inspiration of the Spirit.

How do you know that it is by the inspiration of the Spirit?
Well, because the Scriptures say so.

The questions kept coming. Bottom-line, he no longer saw the scriptures as valid. He began questioning the identity of Jesus. He withdrew completely from anyone with a counter-persuasion. Regrettably, he continues in this error till today. One of those he discipled who was like the most fervent of them all, is now a muslim.

This story is not a fiction. It is one that saddens my heart everytime I think about it.
Thinking about it, I see how search for knowledge, if not properly tailored, can lead men astray.

It always starts innocently. You'll think you've found one new "rhema"and it remains in motion until such a one completely turns away from the faith.

As we seek to grow in the revelation of truth from God's word, we must commit the following to heart:

1. Be satisfied with whatever the scriptures say.

Stop looking for extra-scriptural information. What's your business with the 7books of Moses? Or the Apocryphal books? Let the scriptures satisfy you. Stop looking for angelic explanation of scriptures. It is not given to angels to know the mysteries of the Kingdom, it is given to the Believer. It is the Believer that teaches angels what has been revealed. Learn to put full stop where the scriptures put it. Don't allow the devil to use your curiosity against you.

2. Stop seeking new "rhema"
As far as the facts of the Gospel and salvation is concerned, there is nothing that is to be revealed that has not been revealed. There can be no new rhema anywhere. Your job is to search out what has already been revealed. This is where many heretic doctrines have stemmed from. People who won't stick with what has been written. People who want to be the teacher of Apostle Paul. While I believe that God can give us more insight into the operations of His Kingdom, the scriptures must be the solid rock on which we stand.

3. Any knowledge that decreases your prayer time will destroy you.

I've said this time and time again. You cannot subjugate prayer to knowledge. They are twins. They must walk together. Prayer is essential to a buoyant communion with the Father. It helps to keep us in the right shape and frame of understanding. The Apostle Paul is a don in "revs" but he was a prayerful guy. He gave the most instructions about continuous and fervent prayers. Please, don't substitute one for the other. It is for your own safety.

4. Any knowledge that makes you stay away from church is not divine.

None of us can grow to the level where we no longer need to be part of a local church. Isolation is the devil's game. He isolates before he terminates. Never ever under any guise or pretense, abstain from fellowship. You must stay accountable. You must stay around people who can use scriptures to slap you back to your senses whenever you are getting demonic rhemas. Stay under a pastor who can instruct and correct you. In this social media age, we must NEVER allow social media christian groups to replace the local church. Some people are more committed to an e-fellowship than to their local church. This ought not to be. The PHYSICAL assembling of brethren for mutual edification is God's wisdom for your growth and safety.

As I wrap this up, please friend, never fall into the devil's trap. I will always encourage you to seek to grow in the revelation of truth, but be guided. I am going to emphasize this again: Give yourself to consistent prayers. Your communion with God in prayers must only increase as your understanding increases.

Every true knowledge leads you into more growth in Christ, edification in the church, and productivity in the work of ministry.

If knowledge isn't doing these,
It's the devil's trap.
Don't fall for it.

Blessed.

#LightTriumphs
By Popoola Oluwatobi
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 8:04am On Feb 12, 2017
LET GO OF YOUR FEAR
This morning as i was about to have my bath to prepare for church, i was unnecessarily joyful and having remembered this scripture Psalm: 16. 11. Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.
I knew i was going to be blessed in todays service.

The devil try to question me why i should be happy and this scripture again came up and i said Hebrews: 13. 6. So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

I said again "not just men but even you the devil who is there father ". Because the Lord is on my side. I said to him "you might be older than me and have been far created before me but i know what you did, you betrayed my Father GOD, you try to overthrown Him, you planned mutiny but you failed and now you have been defeated and dethroned so therefore you have nothing on me and the devil stopped attacking my mind.
Do you wonder how we try to be happy but the devil try to remind us how bad we have acted, how we have sinned, how we are not worthy to praise God?

I wish to encourage you today brethren that the devil has no power over us because he already has been defeated by our Lord Jesus Christ and Jesus said John: 16. 33. These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

You need to know that we who are children of God have also overcome not by our own strength or power but by the Spirit of God 1 John: 4. 4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

The blood Jesus shed for us on the cross is so powerful that we overcome by it Revelation: 12. 11. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony.......

Am glad to tell you brethren that because of Jesus, you have overcome not just in the world but also the devil and there is nothing he can do to you because you have Jesus. When you get this in your spirit and soul that the devil cant do you nothing and cant hold back what God will do in your life, you will see your faith and courage rising up and fear developing legs fleeing soo far from you

REJOICE BRETHREN, YOU HAVE OVERCOME.....
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 7:42am On Feb 05, 2017
CharlyG1:
Hello Guys,

Happy weekend to you all. And a HAPPY NEW MONTH to everyone here cheesy. I thank God for life, for good health, and for His mercies upon us.


Glory be to God!


I want to advise us to be very prudent in our character. Be humble. Be at peace with men and women. Do not be haughty.


Sometimes God witholds certain blessings from us for some reasons.

Some people do not have children on time for some reason.

Some do not get married on time for some reason.

Some do not get promoted in life and attain their goals for some reasons.


These reasons could either be caused by satan or by God Himself.


If it's caused by satan and demons, it's even a better situation(you can easily pray your way out). But when it's caused by God, then there's a problem.


Problems of limitation or delay of blessings can be rectified easily when it's caused by demonic forces. All the person has to do is to repent of their sins, and turn fully to God, and seek Him earnestly in fasting and prayers with a sincere heart. Then God will begin to reveal things needed for deliverance and God will change things around.


But when God delays a blessing from someone, it's usually because of that person's wicked heart or bad attitude that's full of pride, malice, anger, bitterness and envy...


The Bible lets us know that there are 6 things God hates, and seven that's an abomination to Him. (Proverbs 6: 16-19)

* Haughty eyes

* A lying tongue

* Hands that shed innocent blood

* A heart that devises evil

* Feet that are quick to commit evil

* False witness that lies


And a person who causes problem between people.



There's a lady i know that lives not too far from my place of work.
She does petty trade, sells groundnuts, small biscuits, pure water and stuffs that hausa kiosk traders sell.


Her business is a very small one, and this woman isn't a friendly person in the very least.


I see her talk rudely to her customers, and i see how some of them insult her too and walk out on her. I see that she looks frustrated, angered, and embittered because she's facing some hardship. And at the age of about 42 she is yet to get a husband plus life is very tough for her.


One day i walked up to her to buy something, she spoke out rudely to me just because she had no change after i had offered her money. And i told her that she was very rude, and that was the reason she did not even have a handful of customers.


It's very sad to see that she has a very rude attitude. In her former way of life, she used to be very wordly, partying and clubbing. But now that she has stoppd that, she's even worse off because she turns people away from her with her bad attitude.


Now, after about a year.. I was in a deep dream and God showed me something about this woman. He showed me how her life ought to be.
In this revelation, i saw this lady married to a rich man. They sat together at the back seat of their car, they even had a driver who drove them.


She was discussing with her husband, telling him about some people and plotting evil against them. She pointed at people she had issues with, telling her husband about them so he could deal with them. She also resorted to using charms and diabolic powers to deal with people. She influenced her husband negatively and her husband did all she asked him to because he loved her.



Mehnn, she was so mean and wicked that she made people's life miserable.


God told me that the reason why He has not given this woman a husband yet is because she has a wicked heart that is full of bitterness, envy and evil.



When i woke up, i was amazed. With more teachings from the Holy Ghost i realized we don't usually get somethings on time because of the positioning of our hearts.


We need to have a clear conscience and a good heart that pleases God.


When you envy another, or you grow hatred and bitterness for someone, your blessings can be delayed. Because who knows what you might do when God blesses you? Who knows? undecided


The truth is, God knows us all.. And even though we're not perfect in character, there are certain attitudes in our lives that need to be straightened out if we want THAT blessing now.
God thinks before He decides who to bless specially. Though He still can decide to bless us when we don't even deserve it.
And Yes, we have all been blessed. But there are some special blessings that come only by grace and by the positioning of our hearts.



I remember at one time in a revelation, God appeared to me wearing a beautiful royal purple garment. His elegance was so radiant, everyone stared as He walked.


Then i walked up to Him and told Him i really loved His purple robe. He stopped walking, looked at me with an unexplainable calmness and said 'You know what? Maybe i might just give it to you' And then He walked away.
He beared a name called Olatunde in that revelation.



No one needed to tell me that the royal robe represented 'Royalty' or 'Wealth'.
And someone told me Olatunde meant 'Wealth has come again'. So the interpretation was balanced.



Now on my part, this means something. God was subtly telling me something very important. If God has promised me saying 'I might just give you this', He means that if i position my heart for it, He will give it to me. That is to say that when the test for wealth comes and i pass the test, I will be wealthy and clothed with royalty.



I want us to know that most of us are in a test right now. We just don't realize it yet. Your humble state is not a suffering state. It's a test for promotion. To get promoted to the next level, you need to pass this test.



Do not be sad or cry about the way things are going bad for you now. Just position your heart to honour God and respect men and women, treating them with love and kindness in your heart.


Do what pleases the Lord and believe in His power to save you from all challenges life throws at you.


Be good to all. Do not carry malice, strife, anger, bitterness or envy in your heart against anyone, and God will definitely bless you.



Also, put off your old way of life. Stop the sinning and turn fully to God and tell me if He doesn't smile down at you and bless you speedily smiley.



I pray... May God strengthen us and may His grace, love and mercy ever abide with us in Jesus Name. Amen.


God bless you all. Shalom smiley
I think about what to type and I can't find any except finding small morsel of tears forming in my eyes and realising how God desire to bless us. I pray to you God that you bless our heart, we who are with a sincere heart to serve you. I praythat you fill our heart with your love and your fear always in Jesus name. Amen. God bless you abundantly bro charlyg1, you are are blessed to be a blessing
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 1:03pm On Jan 24, 2017
Wow....good job sir. This is a big eye opener, even tho I haven't even watched the movie, the way you analyse, explain and fully expose the secret message behind the movie makes me understand it fully. This just shows that the World is coming to an end soon. God help us all. Wow, our unborn children will face more persecutions, challenges, trials in the future with the way things are going but I believe they already overcome by the blood of the Lamb. God bless you sir
CharlyG1:
PART THREE

Now when Sophie handed over the bad dream to BFG, he quickly put it in a bottle. In the bottle the dream shows an image of a wild uncontrollable fire coming out of the ground from about 5 portals. This may actually represent Hell fire. Sophie asks BFG what does that bad dream say, and BFG replies that the dream says ‘Look at what you has done, and there be no forgiveness’. Now the thing is, this statement is totally pointless. Whose dream was this? No one knows. So the message of the dream is kind of pointless, right?



But if we think hard enough, you will see that this message isn’t pointless. This message is a reminder of someone or some people’s guilty act in the past. It is said in the studies of the Book of Enoch that God made a statement like this to Enoch, for him to tell the fallen angels that they won’t be forgiven of their sins. God even showed Enoch a vision of a fiery fire coming out of the abyss just like the one shown in the bad dream BFG was holding. Also it is said that God showed one of the angels a dream saying ‘There will be no forgiveness for their sin for they fornicated with women of the earth. This may well translate as ‘Look at what you has done, and there’ll be no forgiveness’.
Skip the book of Enoch, since it isn’t in the Bible right? Yeah.



Now in the Bible, the book of 2Peter 2:4 gives us a good idea. It reminds us of an incident that took place a long time ago. It says...

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment…



It is clearly seen that God never granted these fallen angel’s forgiveness.
The only people ever recorded in this life that were never forgiven of their sins were the fallen angels. That dream that Sophie caught is a reminder to these demons of their costly sin. And this was the reason why BFG turned a sad face and walked out on Sophie.



You can see clearly that these dreams are not just dreams but are people’s Dreams (DESTINY). That was the destiny of the watchers of old, they became fallen angels, condemned to the eternal lake of fire.


Towards the end of the movie, Sophie asks BFG to tell her what her own dream meant (the one he caught). And BFG tells her that her dream tells a story of her future, about her having a family and children that will be successful in life and that she would see good and bad times but in the end she will remember good deeds. And then BFG and Sophie touch each other with their fingers. Now when they do this, that triangular hill is shown with the sun shining through it. It is not ordinary. This represents human and demon connection through the third eye, and the sun (illuminati/satanic wisdom) now shines through that triangle (third eye/demonic spiritual level). The type of touch between Sophie and BFG is used even in this modern times to represent mutuality or an intimate relationship or connection between two people. Only that in this movie, it is purely on satanic grounds.




It’s clearly seen how BFG gave Sophie a bad dream while in an inner chamber, and how he also gave the queen of England a bad dream too. These aren’t ordinary. This is the exact same way that demons sow bad dreams while people are asleep. The characteristics of BFG and that of a night demon is 100% same. The movie directors are only trying to paint BFG as a good demon, which in real sense is a big lie.


This is done so that humans can freely communicate with these demons and see them as helpers. This is done right now via Aliens manifestations and other manifestations to come.
I’ve said it before. Satan’s ultimate weapon in these last days is to enable humans and demons to bond together via astral projection and other means which creates demon possession.

We should be careful so that we don’t engaged in fantasy thoughts, mind reading, and do not keep thinking about a certain thing for too long. When you start to day dream or fantasize about a person or a particular thing, you’re day dreaming. This carries on into astral projection without your knowledge.



In the beginning of this movie, Sophie says it is the witching hour, the time when the boogey man comes out (when demons hover around), when people go missing (indicating when people leave their bodies). And then she turns the clock to 3’oclock (3am). This is very symbolic and not done coincidentally… She even explains further that the girls and matron think it happens at 12, but she believes it happens at 3am. Christians and Occult people know this is the real time of heavy demonic activity, not really 12am. 12am is when it’s just about to start.


And when Sophie goes to her balcony she opens her window, looks up and see night birds flying, flying in triangular shapes (the birds are seen again flying in this way because it’s to indicate a satanic activity of the night).

And then Sophie see four men behaving in a very strange way like zombies (not like drunks). These men are demons. Demons act in such ways too.
One of the men mistakenly enters a small pool of water and the rest are quickly pointing out to him that he’s inside water. If you listen very well, one of them says in a muffled voice ‘ooh mehnn, this is water there, IT WILL KILL YOU’. This reminds us that the giants also hate water. There’s a connection here, indicating that these are demons and demons usually come out by 3am, just like those four men and BFG. This scene is stylishly played to make those men look like drunks, but they’re not. They represent demons, scared of water.




At the scene where BFG took Sophie to Dream country, he tells her he hears things; the walking of a ladybird insect, all the secret whisperings of the world. Now, demons have very sensitive hearings because demons are spirit beings with supernatural powers. They can hear the fast beatings of a person’s heart beat from few steps away and they have a high sense of smell. All these same things, these giants have too, including BFG. BFG has all the characteristics of a demon because BFG IS a demon.





Now fast forward…


* In another scene, Sophie asks BFG how old he is and he says he is as old as the earth. We know the Nephilim demons have been existing for a very very long time.
* When the queen’s soldier’s helicopters follow BFG into his realm, their helicopters begin to malfunction. This would happen because the realm is a spiritual one and not physical.
* When he was given a map to point at the exact location of Giant country, he pointed it outside the map to indicate that the realm wasn’t in the physical realm, but in the spiritual.



Now listen.. The end of this movie is shocking and revealing.

Sophie says she had a dream last night. And in the dream, she heard a beautiful humming noise, walked to her window and saw BFG leaping, she said she could see all the way to giant country (spirit realm). She gave a huge detail of all she could see at giant country (spirit realm), just from her balcony.

She says she talks to BFG and he actually hears her (demon and human communication)…. like I pointed out.
And Sophie says ‘Good morning BFG’ and he hears her all the way from Giant country (spirit realm). And BFG smiles.


This means that Sophie has struck a connection with this demon that it has now become so easy for communication between her and this demon called BFG. Alas, Sophie’s 3rd eyes has now become fully open.



Sophie means ‘wisdom’= To be wise. To be wise here means to gain a higher spiritul consciousness. To have your so called third eye opened. That is the wisom that the illumiantic cult and demons teach. It’s not a mistake to choose Sophie as her name. The concept is to teach satanic wisdom to humans by means of teaching them astral projections and forming a spiritual bond with them. Sophie is a representation of the child human (ignorant humans), especially children.



This movie is clearly a demonic teaching done in a very subtle way. When we continue to accept such movies, our subconscious is being manipulated to lean into these teachings without our conscious knowledge. This movie is a target and attack on humans, especially children and it subtly teaches astral projection, trying to bond humans with demons in the future so that it becomes a normal thing in the future. As childlike as this movie looks, most people won’t believe this contains subliminal messages concerning the intentions of the kingdom of darkness.



It is satanic and I don’t advise anyone to allow their kids watch such movies. I pray God gives us His wisdom and understanding to know right from wrong and may our spiritual sensitivity to sin and things around us not wane in Jesus Name. Amen.




N:B: I have attached pictures. Notice the touch between Sophie and BFG and the 3rd eye symbol with the sun shining through, notice the Triangular shaped hill. Notice the men scared of water (not in a human way), notice the shinning tree and the bad dream that looks like a wild fire.


God bless you all. Have a goodnight rest smiley
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 4:05am On Jan 22, 2017
CharlyG1:
@JMG1

I love your fire and passion for the things of the Spirit. I read your post, and i must say it's revealing. I enjoyed reading it, it has blessed me.

God bless you brother smiley
Thank you sir smiley.good to have you back sir
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 8:53pm On Jan 21, 2017
Good day all. I hope we all have been good lately. All through the week, i believe the Holy Spirit impressed into me to do a personal study on the context "the sacrifice of Jesus " which i just had time to do today by His Grace and wish to share with you. Please do exercise patience and go through as it will deeply edify you as it has to me, helping us to understand as we all know and have heard that Jesus died for the sin of the world and also help us to tighten our relationship with Him.

To fully understand this, the Holy Spirit helps me break it down in 3parts which are
1. Why is there a need for a sacrifice
2. What is the sacrifice and
3. The purpose of the sacrifice.

Am going to take them one after another so I'll start with the first
WHY IS THERE A NEED FOR A SACRIFICE
The bible tells us in the book of romans that ALL HAVE SINNED. Romans: 3. 23. For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Now the major reason is because all have sinned but to further understand why and how all have sinned, Romans: 5. 12. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 14. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Adam was the first created being made in the image and likeness of God, he was Holy and pure just as God and we are supposed to be just like that coz it is the exact way God created initially and want us to be but adam flaunted Gods order, he disobeyed and sin which resulted into death. Now another thing we need to understand is how did adam died and how did death came through sin according to romans 5:12

Genesis: 2. 16. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17. But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely DIE

Here God commanded adam not to eat a particular fruit, that he will die the day he did but here God wasnt talking about physical death but spiritual death because the bible says in Genesis: 2. 25. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Adam and eve were both naked but weren't ashamed because Genesis: 1. 26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And the glory of God was there covering which was why they were not ashamed but when they sinned something happened.

Genesis: 3. 6. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7. And the EYES of them both were OPENED , and they KNEW that they were NAKED ; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

They were naked before but they didn't even think about it but after they disobeyed God, they found out they were naked and when God called out to adam, adam says Genesis: 3. 10. And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

Imagine adam who had a close relationship with God was now hiding himself from God and its coz the glory of God has departed from him, this was what God told him will happen if he eats of the tree, God wasnt talking about physical death but a spiritual death, the bible says his eyes was opened to what? to the world. Adam was cut off from God because he sinned and wasnt Holy anymore as he was created. Spiritually dead means to be seperated from God, tho alive physically but dead in the Spirit

Now as all know that adam was the first created being, we all came out from this man who had sinned which takes me back to where i started from in Romans: 5. 12. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
So has it is, we are all sinners in the sight of God because of adams transgression, when we realise this ourself we realise the need of a a savior.

Now God in His infinite mercy prepared a way out for us that we may be just as he created us and no longer be cut off from Him, He created a way to bridge that gap between Him and us, have our soul redeemed back to him and be to us as a loving Father and us as his child which was what brought about the sacrifice
WHAT IS THE SACRIFICE
In the old testament, young bull was offered as a sacrifice to cleans the people of there sins and some other offerings that was made as a sacrifice to God as an atonement but it only worked temporary. God had to offer a permanent solution that will save us from the wrath to come and to do that, there also has to be a form of sacrifice. to understand this,we have to go into the bible

Romans: 5. 18. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

The main point is that animals cant redeem lifes, if through adam, sin was imputed, also if we were to be saved, someone also has to make it right. See sirs/ma's God is a God of principle, He does things as its supposed to be for He is full of wisdom, glory and power.

Now this is where the problem is, the question is if all men have sinned then who will redeem men? Who will deliver them from the wrath to come? If all men are dead through sin, who is righteous enough to give men back the life they lost through adam? The Answer is NO ONE,NOBODY. but if nobody, still something has to be done.....and yes Something was done, God had a way out....

Philippians: 2. 5. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6. Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

(Now before i continue, people try to understand God with human reasoning forgetting that God is a Spirit and to understand Him, it has to be through the Spirit and if God created the heaven and earth and all that within, if God can hear,see us all at the same time etc, there is absolutely nothing impossible for God to do.)

The question is if God is every where, sees everything and knows everything as i believe we all agree to ; then how is it impossible for God to be in heaven as God and be on earth as a man in flesh at the same time?

The only way for God to bring us back to Him is only through Him, because there is no one to redeem us He had to come Himself in our likeness and be like us just as adam was that He might sacrifice Himself as Holy as He is for our own sake and that man is Jesus Christ.

Hebrews: 2. 9. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Jesus came to world as a man who knew no sin and never sinned to die for us, He became the human lamb to die for our sins. John: 1. 29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world..

To help understand further this, we need to understand the reason why God gave Jesus up

John: 3. 16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
No 1 reason : God loves you so much and does not want you to perish that He had to make a way out for you through Christ Jesus


Romans: 8. 32. He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
No2 reason: In the beginning God created everything adam will ever need before He created him and gave him dominion over it all but adam lost it to satan through disobedience but here He is offering back what initially belong to you that you could have all you want for it was made for you and that you were not created to suffer

The blood Jesus shed on the cross delivered and justified us Romans: 5. 8. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The man Jesus was the sacrifice......
PURPOSE OF THE SACRIFICE
Jesus answer this Himself and He says John: 11. 25. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were DEAD yet shall he LIVE: 26. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall NEVER DIE. Believest thou this? 27. She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Wow, the reason for my wowing is that the Holy Spirit gave me another insight as i typed that, not even when i went through it in the first place. Again i say wow, wow, wow.....please give me time to rejoice small.....wow

Ok let me explain, Jesus said in verse 25, though you were DEAD, yet you shall LIVE. remember what killed adam spiritually, disobedience to God. That was what seperated adam and through adam to us from God, Jesus said yes you are dead but you will Live, you know why? Because Jesus is the RESURRECTION and LIFE, in Jesus and through Jesus, we have resurrected and now received back the Life with God we were supposed to have if adam had not disobeyed....
This is talking about being spiritually alive while still on earth

Now of you notice in verse 26: Jesus said if we live and believe in Him, we shall NEVER DIE....

Here is talking about being alive even after death which is in heaven.. Jesus is alive today and in heaven at the right side of God. Only through Jesus will we get to heaven, Jesus is the only way, the only truth and the only life.

This is what is to come Revelation: 21. 1. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

JESUS IS ALIVE AND WAITING AT THE DOOR OF YOUR HEART THAT YOU MIGHT OPEN YOUR HEART FOR HIM TO COME IN. TRUST THE LORD AND HE WILL GIVE YOU LIFE YOU NEVER IMAGINED.
God bless you in Jesus name
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 2:40pm On Jan 15, 2017
Eldorado14:
Hmm
what's on your mind.....
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 9:41pm On Jan 12, 2017
etidy:
Spartacuss, JMG1,urheme One thing about spiritual matters is that we have to always remain open minded about spiritual things because we know only in part. Coincidentally I have being doing an exegesis on the book of 1 Corinthians, studying it along with teachings by pastor bankie olusina (pastor.ng) on the book and it actually gave me some light concerning your discussion.

Up till today I have always belonged to the idealogy that Speaking with unknown tongues is the only evidence of a person receiving the Holy Spirit. But now I'm not so sure again.
There are actually two verbal evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit from scriptures which go hand in hand. We easily recognise speaking in unknown tongues but there is another which is "prophesying" .

And as Paul laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them; and they spoke in [foreign, unknown] tongues (languages) and prophesied.
Acts 19:6 AMPC

We see this again in the book of Luke.

And it occurred that when Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with and controlled by the Holy Spirit. And she cried out with a loud cry, and then exclaimed, Blessed (favored of God) above all other women are you! And blessed (favored of God) is the Fruit of your womb!
Luke 1:41‭-‬42 AMPC

Nbw Zachariah his father was filled with and controlled by the Holy Spirit and prophesied, saying, Blessed (praised and extolled and thanked) be the Lord, the God of Israel, because He has come and brought deliverance and redemption to His people!
‭1: ‬67‭-‬68 AMPC

We can see three clear examples of people being filled by the Spirit and prophesing here. We have to understand that prophecy is an inspired utterance declaring the will of God. Its not often predictive in nature. Most times what people think are predictive prophecies are actually the word of wisdom and or word of knowledge in action. However I don't think a believer is supposed to exclusively prophecy on or speak in tongues. A believer is supposed to be able to do both.

I'm sure that most of us are conversant with the truth that prophesying edifies more in public gathering while speaking in tongues is more for our own personal edification. I personal believe all believers should desire both. The benefits of speaking in tongues especially as it relates to personal edification and spiritual warfare and Worship of the father is too immense.
I believe we shouldn't be satisfied with just a partial Christian walk and missing out of somethings. We should desire to grow into the fullness of what Christ and made available to us so we can grow into the stature of Christ.

Then to point 2 : Can a person be filled with the Holy spirit, operate gifts and still be immoral and carnal?
The answer is a capital YES. IN FACT THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR REASONS PAUL WROTE 1 CORINTHIANS. I WILL ANSWER THAT IN ANOTHER POST.
Good bro. You did well but don't let's by trying to teach the pure gospel fall on the edge.

Yes there are clear picture of those who spoke in tongues and prophesy but there is no where in the book of acts that talked about people being baptized and prophesy but we see those who spoke in tongues after being baptized and didn't prophesy.

Prophesy is one of the gifts of the Spirit1 Corinthians: 12. 8. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9. To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10. To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

What I actually want to point out is1 Corinthians: 12. 11. But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. (kjv). 1 Corinthians: 12. 11. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.(niv)
Whatsover gift that manifest after Holy Ghost Baptism is given as the Spirit will..... But according to the bible, speaking in tongues is a clear sign of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

I agree totally with you bro, we should all desire spiritual gifts...... You are doing a nice work here bro, you are doing well. God bless you
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 4:56pm On Jan 11, 2017
urheme:
pls read 1 Corinthians 12

is not a must to speak in tongues....there are divers gift....and tongue is even the least and does not help the church except when another who has the gift of interpreting such.


I have been hit by the power of God.....i don't speak in tongues and i don't desire it......rather there is a gift i desire more.

is painful when i see church brothers who speak in tongue and still fornicates and drinks....the Holy Spirit is not in them.
Sister I think i need to get something clear here.
-I go by what the bible says and not what anyone thinks
-Speaking in tongues is a clear and bible sign that one is baptized in the Holy Spirit
-Because one is not baptized in the Holy Spirit does not mean one won't experience the power of God or have some other gift of the Spirit but there will be a huge limit to the gifts u can have.
-Jesus makes us understand Holy Ghost Baptism is important because the bible saysActs: 1. 4. And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but WAIT for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Jesus talks about promise of the Father in the book of John which is the Holy Ghost so why do you think Jesus asked them to wait for the Holy Ghost if they already have all the powers they need to do the work He called them for.
-1 Corinthians: 14. 2. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 14. For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
One most important reason to speak in tongues is you communicate divinely with the Father when you pray for your spirit prays the perfect will of God eliminating selfish request and I will confirm this with another scripture Romans: 8. 26. Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
-Not receiving the Holy Ghost Baptism will not stop or hinder one from going to heaven
-But not being baptized in the Holy Ghost will hinder one from enjoying the benefits of having the gifts of the Spirit and enjoying some of the things God has blessed us with spiritually
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 8:04am On Jan 10, 2017
Spartacuss:
Good day, Plsssssssss I want to know if everyone recorded in the new testament that received holy ghost baptism actually spoke in tongues.

Or speaking in tongues is just one of the gifts but not for everyone.
Good day bro, hope you doing great?. I will answer you if you permit me.Baptism the Holy Ghost is for every believer, it stated on the day of pentecosts and people have been getting baptized since then.

Mark: 16. 17. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
The Holy Spirit was not yet poured out when Jesus made this statement but Here we see Jesus telling us that those who believe in Him who are believers will speak in tongues, speaking jn tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit and it is also a sign that follows when one is baptized jn the Holy Ghost. And the reason why all believers MUST be baptized in the Holy Spirit is to receive power and ability tp function well as a believer, it brings boldness to preach the gospel, enables you communicate with God directly in your spirit through speaking in tongues, heal the sick, cast out demons etc, infact there is whole lot of benefits attached to it. Acts: 1. 8. But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts: 2. 1. And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance......
On the day of pentecosts was when the Holy Spirit was poured out on believers and the Holy Spirit has been around ever since then. Note that they all spoke in tongues when they were baptized

Now i will give you some other scriptures when believers were baptized but before i do i need to note that there is absolutely nothing that will stop a believer who just gave his /her life from receiving the Holy Ghost.
Acts: 19. 1. And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2. He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied......
Here those believers have only gone through water baptism and dont even know what the Holy Ghost was but when they heard,they were all baptized in the Holy Spirit and spoke with tongues. You can see that there is a sign when they were baptized in the Holy Ghost which is speaking with tongues.....

Acts: 10. 44. While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God......
You see the sign again? They spoke jn tongues and magnify God when they were baptized.....

So baptism of the Holy Spirit is for every one and Jesus said WE ALL who are believers must speak in tongues because He mentioned speaking in tongues as one of the sign that will follow us.
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 12:40pm On Jan 07, 2017
nnamdiosu:
Sorry. Typo error. JESUS IS NOT AN ANGEL. HE IS THE CREATOR OF ALL ANGELS. HOW R U SIR?
I noticed that and had to call your attention to it. Am very well sir, bless God we made it into a new year. Have a great weekend and God bless you real good sir
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 9:07am On Jan 07, 2017
nnamdiosu:
No. Jesus is an Angel if any sort.
Do you mean to say NOT an angel brother?
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 10:39am On Jan 05, 2017
mohamedali:
Jusis Chris will kill Nazareth Chris in the end
Wow.it's kinda long but I managed to watch few mins but from what I watched, it is purely the anti-Christ.

Brethren I never knew Islam has this information, just as almost as the Antichrist was mentioned in the bible, they totally exalt him, they mentioned the anti Christ as the savior and will ask people to worship him. From that video, he is described just almost as the bible said he will be.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 “Let no one deceive you by any means; for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.”

This was mentioned..... But only that Islam already see him as the real God who will come to save them. Smh

Revelation 13:3 “And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast.”

They mentioned he will have a wonded head and will be blind in one eye...
Revelation 13:5 “And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.”

Bro you need to repent before you die in your sins, your religion is blind folding you guys and you not seeing anything.

Brethren let's make sure we pick up our cross daily and follow the Lord till the end. The anti-Christ is already being exalted among muslim whoch is yhe reason why he wont have problems ruling the world as he will to all Muslims and so many that he is the one and only God who has come down.

Bro just get yourself out of here, i asked that you willingly ask God to reveal Himself to you with a sincere heart but you decide not to,I wonder what you are afraid of. Anyway we don't need you here anymore. Thank you
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 9:26am On Jan 05, 2017
mohamedali:
Antichrist is the greatest dissension since the creation of God to Adam and told Mohamed peace be upon him that he is most knowledge with apostle. God gave them, and the bulk of the description of the charlatan and all the apostles of Prophet Noah to Jesus peace be upon them. His people with him had happened. And that God gave him the exact description because the Antichrist will come in his time Yes, dear brothers, I have approached the major signs of the Hour or the Day of Reckoning .ho of humans has appointed permitted therefore called Antichrist and his hair is kinky .his short man, and his legs far apart God gave capabilities and is ordering the sky rain Precipitation begins sky heaven and earth to order the treasures out they come out the ground and planting can bring life to life one dead only and is followed by demons. Then he said to any of you are dead and her father come and tell him I'm not your Lord says, My Lord and my Lord, how to be. Antichrist told him that he could bring life to his mother and his father. Then the devil became looks like his father and the other in his mother and tells him follow this man that is the Lord and he follow the village and speak to the pepole if the bileive in him the will life in peace and their files will grow and their cows will be vire fat and suppli them with rievr the will be ritch and people follow him and go to the next village if the didn't bileive in him nothing will grow in there filds and there animals will diea and the ske will never rian and became with out water and become boar. He his two rivers one is water and one of them is fire if you see him don't tolk to him run to the fire and close your aeys bout your head inside and drink it's cold water . The river of water is he'll .Then after time the Christ Jesus will return and kill the Antichrist. And roll the world for 40 years then die. And Judgment Day will be closer . Day person flees from his father and his mother and his sons, and his friends and mother escape from her baby.
Sister the last crhst is jusis .
Jusis and all masnger worning us from your Nazareth they say run of you see him and you tell my to waiting for him
Lol. Very funny. I wish you Gods mercy and grace. now leave us in peace and go your way. Thanks you
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 8:56am On Jan 05, 2017
mohamedali:
When jusis comes back HE will roll according to the Islamic rolls because he is Muslim
& no one can save you from GOD because HE IS THE GOD and you must follow HIS Orders
I see the veil has really blinded your eyes that you can't even see the truth except to follow what you have been told.We Christians follow the leading of the Holy Spirit, except reading the bible, God Himself bears witness to us that what we read and know about Him is true. But I pray that God will remove the veil from your eyes that you might see the light and know the truth in Jesus name

By the way our Lord and savior is JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH and not jusis or what do you call it,

You lost your chance already so please now this is a christian trend, if you are not ready to reason or contribute positively. The door is wide open, I advice and ask that at this point,you go back to where you came from, not only. My own authority but in the name of Jesus, get lost from our midst, we don't want you here.
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 8:31am On Jan 05, 2017
mohamedali:
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He is just a masnger of Allan . Some people change your bibile in the past . Way do you think there killing all the people . Every man or women or child killed because jusis told them he is not GOD HIS the masnger of GOD and ther anthor masnger will come after me his name is Mohamed.
Go and Schering on your bible for that name you will fund it he is dead now way you don't want to fllow him
Oga Muhammed is dead but Jesus is alive up till today even your quran confirmed it to be so, even quran called Jesus the Spirit of God and also the Word of God. I doubt if you know this is in your quran, if not check to confirm.

Now I will give you one of the prophecy that God gave far before Jesus came Deuteronomy: 18. 15. The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; 18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. 20. BUT the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall DIE .

please tell me who is dead now, Jesus or muhammad? I believe if you can answer this question, you are already on your way to the light
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 7:54am On Jan 05, 2017
mohamedali:
All of us sons of GOD.
Jusis peace be upo him is only masnger of Allah
he didn't say I am GOD or worship my or I well save you from he'll.ther no viers in the holl bible in simple language ( people i am the GOD or worship me
John: 10. 24. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28. And I GIVE UNTO THEM eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30. I and my Father are one.


Christianity is not just a religion but a relationship with the Father God and its not a relationship through the flesh or human senses but of the Spirit. To have a relationship with the Father, you need the Holy Spirit so sad Muslims are always looking for physical explanation to understand Jesus as been the Son of God.

We all know in this trend can bear witness that we heard Jesus call just as a sheep hear discern it's shepherd's voice from a stranger's own and we followed Him. Because He is our father and we are sons of God and again am sorry you tell u that you are not among the sons. Don't claim what you are not, your quran calls you slaves of Allah, so why claim what your quran didn't call you.

Jesus is the way, the truth and the life, no man can go to the Father except through Jesus. Give your life to Jesus now before its too late. You have this only one more chance to think about it and receive Jesus in your life
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 6:50pm On Jan 04, 2017
mohamedali:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk61hslLHlw
welcome to the zone where people's eyes are open, where the Word of the gift of Life is shared. In this trend bro, Jesus rules, He is the author and the finisher of this trend, in here we share love and not hatred but unfortunately we all in here have nothing else to discuss except to talk about Jesus and His Word as He is the Word. Maybe God brought you here for a reason, you think you stumbled on here? you got it wrong bro, God does His work the best way He can which even we human can't fantom.

Do you know who Jesus is? He is the Son of God and God has given to Him all He has and you know what? He also has given us all He has.

For Him to give us all, He died for for our sin that we might live a righteous life and have our soul redeemed back to God.

John: 3. 16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Saved from what if you ask?saved from hell. Heaven is real so as hell is but Jesus came that we may live with Him in heaven even if we die.
John: 11. 25. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Give your life to Christ Jesus , give Him a chance in your life and see how He turns your life around. You wish to confirm is this is true? ask God to reveal Himself to you,let it be sincere and let it cone from your heart. Ask God you want to know Him, ask if Him if Jesus is real and if He is, He should reveal Himself to you. Do that and God who has called you to this trend will surely answer you because He wishes to answer a sincere request coming from a sincere heart and God Himself want to be known.

If you are convinced enough and want to give Jesus a chance in your life, just say it out LORD JESUS, I REPENT OF MY SINS,COME INTO MY HEART AND BE MY LORD AND SAVIOR. SHOW ME THE WAY TO THE RIGHTEOUS PART THAT I MAY FOLLOW YOU AS YOU LEAD ME,KEEP ME FROM DEATH AND LET YOUR LIFE AND YOUR LIGHT BE GIVEN TO ME.AMEN.

I believe you are a born again if you do this, share your testimony and tell us where we can help you. God bless you
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 11:39am On Jan 04, 2017
chumz11:
All unrighteousness is sin.its black and white and not grey.someone made a post talking about his experiences and another preached Christ as the only way to that person and that person angrily rejected Christianity.now another redirects that person to an appropriate section and now she's being harsh?be not unequally yoked with unbelievers.are we more considerate than the Holy spirit?is this thread a holy spirit filled zone or a secular thread where we are gisting of our super human abilities?Not all gifts come from God.i repeat not all gifts come from God.Jesus is Lord
You are equally right sir/ma. But sir/ma do you remember this verseMark: 2. 15. And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him. 16. And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners? 17. When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

How will the sinners Jesus sat with would have believed if He didn't sit with them,remember He was with His disciples when He did.

This is a Spirit filled trend where brethren come together to edify eachother but when an unbeliever comes in "not to distrupt but to also share his view " should we cast him out? Note that before he could have decided to share his view,he must have gone through each pages noticing and realising this is a christian trend so for him to come on here, he know we will talk about Jesus coz this is Jesus trend. he was invited to give his life to Christ but decline, i believe he needs enough conviction to receive the gift of salvation and his eyes of understanding needs to be enlightened but that's God's work, it's the job of the Holy Spirit to convict him and not us. We only need to preach the Word to him and keep preaching the Word, not to cast him out.

Remember love your neighbours? That includes unbeliever.
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 11:31am On Jan 04, 2017
chumz11:
All unrighteousness is sin.its black and white and not grey.someone made a post talking about his experiences and another preached Christ as the only way to that person and that person angrily rejected Christianity.now another redirects that person to an appropriate section and now she's being harsh?be not unequally yoked with unbelievers.are we more considerate than the Holy spirit?is this thread a holy spirit filled zone or a secular thread where we are gisting of our super human abilities?Not all gifts come from God.i repeat not all gifts come from God.Jesus is Lord
You are equally right sir/ma. But sir/ma do you remember this verseMark: 2. 15. And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him. 16. And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners? 17. When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

How will the sinners Jesus sat with would have believed if He didn't sit with them,remember He was with His disciples when He did.

This is a Spirit filled trend where brethren come together to edify eachother but when an unbeliever comes in "not to distrupt but to also share his view " should we cast him out? Note that before he could have decided to share his view,he must have gone through each pages noticing and realising this is a christian trend so for him to come on here, he know we will talk about Jesus coz this is Jesus trend. he was invited to give his life to Christ but decline, i believe he needs enough conviction to receive the gift of salvation and his eyes of understanding needs to be enlightened but that's God's work, it's the job of the Holy Spirit to convict him and not us. We only need to preach the Word to him and keep preaching the Word, not to cast him out.

Remember love your neighbours? That includes unbeliever,
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 8:31pm On Jan 03, 2017
Anas09:
I didn't oppose him from posting but he should not act as though because he is here we will not talk about Jesus.
If he doesnt want to hear us talk abt Jesus, he shd leave.
am totally with you on this.
@emekaRaj. I want to believe he understands this before he jumped on this trend
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 5:59pm On Jan 03, 2017
Anas09:
Lol, we can't come into your section, yet you want to come in here and tell us what to do. Gerraawet from here.
Easy sis, you one of those I admire on this trend but I kinda disagree with you on this. Even though Islam section does not allow believers, it doesn't mean we should act that way as well. I agree and I support a total fight back if/when an unbeliever come into a christian trend to distrupt or cause confusion but as far as I know emekaRaj didn't, Infact he came to share his own experience and he said he was a Muslim and was allowed before he commented.

The bible teaches us to love which is the greatest commandment of all according to 1corinthians 13 and Jesus asked us to love our enemy, 'hard but I practice that '


So sis please let the guy be, if he wishes to continue let him and if not, it's good so far he knows this is a christian trend and whatever advice we give or contribution we make will be in line with the bible.
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth.

Allow the truth in the Word prevail. God bless you sis. Love you with the love of Christ
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 5:30pm On Jan 02, 2017
emekaRaj:
Something happened last year imeditely I started reaching my potential, I was walking with my girlfriend around 8pm, we were supposed to cross the road to the other side walk, wen we r trying to cross, I saw like seven men chasing after a Comercial car, so I thought I should wait let them pass b4 we cross, but my Bae was dragging me, telling me "lets cross the road is empty" I was like let dem pass first, then they were in our front, she was like "who"? That's wen I realized that wat I was seeing r invisible beings (jinn or demon) whatever u wanna call dem.

So one of them in front (like d leader or so) notice dat i saw him, an then they turn back an start coming to me, I told my Bae dat we shouldn't cross again let's find somewhere to sit, I dnt knw wats about to happen because I was still a novice then but I knw I can't run, becoz it's nt a dream it's live ppl r everywhere going about their normal business so if i run I will look like a mad man, even if i wnt to run, they hav like electric speed, so I braced up, told Bae to hold my hand an recite Quran, Bae already knows who iam, how I see things, I hav even save her countless times, so we sat an they ascend to where we r sitting, I can feel her hands shaking tremendously in fear nt knowing wats about to happen. Pls i will continue later my battery is 0%
That's the gift of discerning of spirit you have got and no gift is without purpose. I asked you followJacksonville advice, you need to understand the purpose of the gift so you might be able to do according to God's will for your life.

John: 1. 4. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

There is light in Christ Jesus,once you give your life to Christ, He will bring to life and to light your gift and it will become fully active and most importantly know the purpose of your gift. I was once a muslim as well,I finished Quran and did 'wolemo ',but when I found Grace through Christ Jesus and I gave my life to Christ, things became to change positively spiritually,I began to see God as a father and started having a personal relationship with Him then some of the gifts in me started manifesting and I began to hear from Him.
The best decision you have make bro is to give your life to Christ Jesus, invite Him in your life
Romans: 10. 9. That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

You can invite Him to your life anywhere even in your room alone , all you need to do is say with your mouth LORD JESUS I REPENT OF MY SINS,COME INTO MY LIFE AND BE MY LORD AND SAVIOR. HELP ME TO KNOW THE PURPOSE OF THE GIFT I HAVE THAT I MAY DO TOUR WILL,BRING TO LIFE AND TO LIGHT THE GIFTS I HAVE IN ME AND HELP ME TO WALK WITH YOU AND IN YOUR PERFECT WILL FOR MY LIFE. AMEN.

Bro that's all you need to do and say and you become a born again. After which you get a bible or have it atleast for now on your fone,there are some free bible app online and start reading from the new testament which is Mathew, keep reading and I believe God will surely speak to you, might be through dreams, speak to your heart in a still small voice or even in an audible voice but only you will hear it and you will know its from God.

All in all,I believe you have a prophetic gift coz the gift of discerning of spirit is to see in the Spirit realm and mostly given to those called to be a prophet. You can also get this book by Kenneth Hagin -bible prayer study. It will help you to know how to pray and direct your request to God. God bless you bro.
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 4:00am On Dec 26, 2016
emekaRaj:
I hav read upto page 4 an am just wowed, especially getting to know pple like me are here...
I use to be scared but I was told I was chosen by God to help pple around me, I hav decided to accept it and since I did i hav grown stronger, now I just see things live, interact, fight an rescue their captive.
It's a long story but am willing to share it though if am welcome here as iam a Muslim.
You are much welcome bro. I advice you keep reading as we have discussed a whole lot which will help you grow more. I was once a muslim before i gave my life to Christ so i advice you consider accepting Jesus as your Lord and savior and all the gifts will become more evident because Jesus is the HE who gives life and your gift will become alive when you give your life to Him. you still have enough catching up to do so i advice you keep reading.

Once again I welcome you and you, an share with us your experience.
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 1:06pm On Dec 24, 2016
CharlyG1:
Hello People of God,

Wow! It’s amazing that after all we’ve been through, we’re still standing strong. After all the trials, hardships, and difficulties, we’re still pouring out our hearts to God thanking Him for all He has done.


When I think back, I like to count my blessings and appreciate God’s works in my life. I know there have been hard times, but come to think about it, the good outweighs the bad a million times.
As a matter of fact, the so called bad times isn’t really ‘bad’, but a test of my faith and spiritual maturity in God.

We’re celebrating Jesus Christ this season, even though we ought to celebrate Him every day of our lives. Well, let’s give Jesus our all for He is wonderful and marvellous and He has been so gracious to us. His Name is not an ordinary name, it’s a Name that’s full of power, grace and love. You can see it everywhere in the Bible and in people’s lives.


I remember when I was about 8 years old, my family used to worship very far away in a church at Ajah, Lagos, far along Victoria Island. It’s a massive church with huge acres of space and thousands of members. It’s really massive.



One day after church, we (my family) were on our way back home. My dad was driving at full speed on the express road, all of a sudden the car developed some fault and my dad could not gain control of the steering wheel. No matter how he tried to turn the wheel, left or right, the car didn’t budge. It now dawned on us that we were headed for a terrible car accident which could cost us our lives.


Hmm… We began to panic shocked. I and my brothers and sisters were scared, we were confused huh. My dad kept fumbling with the wheels, we were still going at a high speed. All of a sudden, my mom said out loud ‘Jesus please take control’, with fear and pain in her voice. To our amazement, the car drove itself and stopped right in front of a mechanic’s workshop, parked on a pavement away from the express road. The funny thing is, I remember clearly, my dad turned the steering wheel right, but the car went left and parked on that pavement facing a mechanic’s workshop.


We all stared at each other with surprised looks on our faces that said ‘Whaaat, Oh my God’ shocked. Lol. We were in utter disbelief. We were bewildered. We were dumbfounded.


We were baby Christians at this time, and were just coming to know who Jesus Christ really was at this time. So this was too unnatural for us.



When we got down from the car, the mechanic guy told my dad that it’s not just possible for us to be alive, he said that this was meant to be a bloody accident, because some vital part of the car was severely damaged, the brakes gave out etc. I was very little then, so I didn’t understand all he said.


We later started to wonder, but mechanic guys don’t open on Sundays, what was this guy doing here at about 2pm on a Sunday? Were we just lucky or was that God at work? Well, the mechanic guy told us he was about to even close his shop before he saw our car park in front of him. So I say, that was the finger of God
. Coincides don’t occur. It’s either it’s orchestrated by God, Satan/demons, or a person.



After this incident, we came to understand that the Name of Jesus is indeed powerful, and it is the Name above every other name. The book of Philippians 2:9-10 shows us that God elevated Jesus to the highest place and gave Him the Name that is above every other Name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, whether in heaven or on earth or under the earth (hell).


Wow!
So this means that even ‘car accidents’ that might want to occur can be cancelled when we call on the Name of Jesus, just like my mom did. So it means that even if you’re a lady and faced with rape, when you call on Jesus, you can be saved. When you’re faced with spiritual attacks at night, why not call on Jesus?


When you face any difficult situation that feels too much for you, just call on Jesus and see what happens. You will be amazed. Only have a little faith in your heart that He will help you. There is power in the Name of Jesus. smiley



This Christmas, as we celebrate this joyous moment of Jesus Christ in our lives, let us remember the good things He has done for us and be thankful. If you feel He hasn’t done enough for you, think about the many times when you’ve escaped death. Think of the many times you’ve found a way out of troubles and difficulties. They don’t just happen like that. They are Jesus-influenced.




God has been with you, with us. For every time you want to complain to God, think of the many things He has done for you. Write it down and you’ll see that He has done so much. Thank Jesus. Celebrate Him and honour Him as you eat your rice and chicken. grin



May God bless you all in the Name of Jesus. May your lives breathe and smell of the rich fragrance of Jesus in your lives. May He visit your homes this season as you honour Him and turn everything new. New Blessings. New Wealth. New Jobs. New Promotion. New Financial levels. New grace. New Mercies. The peace of God be with you all, and may the joy that comes with His presence abide you forever more and… May the blessings and steadfast love of Jesus be new every morning in your lives in Jesus Name. Amen.


Have a Merry Christmas celebration!!! cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 1:03pm On Dec 24, 2016
CharlyG1:
Hello People of God,

Wow! It’s amazing that after all we’ve been through, we’re still standing strong. After all the trials, hardships, and difficulties, we’re still pouring out our hearts to God thanking Him for all He has done.


When I think back, I like to count my blessings and appreciate God’s works in my life. I know there have been hard times, but come to think about it, the good outweighs the bad a million times.
As a matter of fact, the so called bad times isn’t really ‘bad’, but a test of my faith and spiritual maturity in God.

We’re celebrating Jesus Christ this season, even though we ought to celebrate Him every day of our lives. Well, let’s give Jesus our all for He is wonderful and marvellous and He has been so gracious to us. His Name is not an ordinary name, it’s a Name that’s full of power, grace and love. You can see it everywhere in the Bible and in people’s lives.


I remember when I was about 8 years old, my family used to worship very far away in a church at Ajah, Lagos, far along Victoria Island. It’s a massive church with huge acres of space and thousands of members. It’s really massive.



One day after church, we (my family) were on our way back home. My dad was driving at full speed on the express road, all of a sudden the car developed some fault and my dad could not gain control of the steering wheel. No matter how he tried to turn the wheel, left or right, the car didn’t budge. It now dawned on us that we were headed for a terrible car accident which could cost us our lives.


Hmm… We began to panic shocked. I and my brothers and sisters were scared, we were confused huh. My dad kept fumbling with the wheels, we were still going at a high speed. All of a sudden, my mom said out loud ‘Jesus please take control’, with fear and pain in her voice. To our amazement, the car drove itself and stopped right in front of a mechanic’s workshop, parked on a pavement away from the express road. The funny thing is, I remember clearly, my dad turned the steering wheel right, but the car went left and parked on that pavement facing a mechanic’s workshop.


We all stared at each other with surprised looks on our faces that said ‘Whaaat, Oh my God’ shocked. Lol. We were in utter disbelief. We were bewildered. We were dumbfounded.


We were baby Christians at this time, and were just coming to know who Jesus Christ really was at this time. So this was too unnatural for us.



When we got down from the car, the mechanic guy told my dad that it’s not just possible for us to be alive, he said that this was meant to be a bloody accident, because some vital part of the car was severely damaged, the brakes gave out etc. I was very little then, so I didn’t understand all he said.


We later started to wonder, but mechanic guys don’t open on Sundays, what was this guy doing here at about 2pm on a Sunday? Were we just lucky or was that God at work? Well, the mechanic guy told us he was about to even close his shop before he saw our car park in front of him. So I say, that was the finger of God
. Coincides don’t occur. It’s either it’s orchestrated by God, Satan/demons, or a person.



After this incident, we came to understand that the Name of Jesus is indeed powerful, and it is the Name above every other name. The book of Philippians 2:9-10 shows us that God elevated Jesus to the highest place and gave Him the Name that is above every other Name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, whether in heaven or on earth or under the earth (hell).


Wow!
So this means that even ‘car accidents’ that might want to occur can be cancelled when we call on the Name of Jesus, just like my mom did. So it means that even if you’re a lady and faced with rape, when you call on Jesus, you can be saved. When you’re faced with spiritual attacks at night, why not call on Jesus?


When you face any difficult situation that feels too much for you, just call on Jesus and see what happens. You will be amazed. Only have a little faith in your heart that He will help you. There is power in the Name of Jesus. smiley



This Christmas, as we celebrate this joyous moment of Jesus Christ in our lives, let us remember the good things He has done for us and be thankful. If you feel He hasn’t done enough for you, think about the many times when you’ve escaped death. Think of the many times you’ve found a way out of troubles and difficulties. They don’t just happen like that. They are Jesus-influenced.




God has been with you, with us. For every time you want to complain to God, think of the many things He has done for you. Write it down and you’ll see that He has done so much. Thank Jesus. Celebrate Him and honour Him as you eat your rice and chicken. grin



May God bless you all in the Name of Jesus. May your lives breathe and smell of the rich fragrance of Jesus in your lives. May He visit your homes this season as you honour Him and turn everything new. New Blessings. New Wealth. New Jobs. New Promotion. New Financial levels. New grace. New Mercies. The peace of God be with you all, and may the joy that comes with His presence abide you forever more and… May the blessings and steadfast love of Jesus be new every morning in your lives in Jesus Name. Amen.


Have a Merry Christmas celebration!!! cheesy
WONDERFUL........ God bless you real good sir... I immediately became to smile after I read the part where your mum shouted 'jesus take control ' even without reading the outcome coz i already know what would have happened. God be praised, His mercy endures forever. I can even count how many times God has saved me from death traps even before I gave my life to Christ not to talk of when I did. God is indeed great and He loves us too much that I sometimes wonder what kind of Love is this,when I look back i just often wonder how much God loves us and I really want to Love Him that much. One thing I know is if we don't have another thing to do,God deserves our praise and we all should dedicate time privately to thank Him for all He has done and the fact that He will never stop watching over us.

God help us all
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 5:13pm On Dec 22, 2016
providence338:
Hello. I'm just another enthusiastic disciple of Yah and his Word, like most everybody else on this thread wink
One thing I've learned is that the Bible interprets itself just fine. So I try to study to show myself approved, line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little. And believe on the Holy Spirit to guide me into all truth.

Believe me when I say the average seminary school is part of the "beast system". undecided
It's really sad that most seminaries are devils coven, they lure people burning with passion for Christ and trap them into stepping into what God has called them into. I advice anyone who intend to go to a bible school to pray very well and get directions from God so as not to fall into the devils trap. There are still good, Godly seminaries out there where the plain and undiluted Word of God is taught

My pastor told us a story of how he went to bible school to be taught the Word of God and at the Long run, they started teaching something else and when he stood up with boldness to confront who was teaching them that what he was teaching isn't in the bible, the man said something sooooo contrary. He thanked God he was able to discern at that moment, He said he stood up, picked up his books and bible, left the class and that was it,he never went back.

We must be very careful in this last days and not be ignorant of satan devices. God help us all
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 8:08pm On Dec 21, 2016
nnamdiosu:
Thanks bro. How r u?
Very well bro. All Glory to God. The Lord is about to manifest His Glory on all saints in an unusual way especially in this recession period. Very soon we will start hearing and reading testimonies of God's goodness in every part of the country. We will hear testimonies and marvel at God's greatness,even on this trend . This is the time when God love to reveal His power and glory to the unbelievers and the world and am just soooo excited about it.
Psalm: 37. 19. In times of disaster they will not wither; in days of famine they will enjoy plenty. -

The days are here bro, let's all rejoice in the Holy Ghost as we await the Lord's goodness. 2017 will be a year of total rest with God meeting the needs of the saints even before the end of this year, miracles are bound to happen.

Halleluyah.....
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 6:57pm On Dec 21, 2016
providence338:
Hello friend. Thank you for your kind words. I'm a lady, btw. Nice to make your acquaintance.

1. Please let me clarify that the resurrection and the rapture are the same EVENT, not "one and the same" in that sense - sorry for the poor choice of words. undecided The dead in Yashuah will rise first (resurrection). Those who are still living at that point have SURVIVED the 3.5yr tribulation/hour of temptation and will be caught up in the clouds with the resurrected saints to meet Yashuah in the air (rapture). These are two separate "quickenings" if you will, that occur almost simultaneously.

The resurrected dead and the raptured living are BOTH caught up in the air, when? At the LAST trump (1 Cor 15:52).
This is the same trump heralding Yashuah's triumphant return and gathering his elect from the 4 corners of the earth or "heaven" (Matt 24:31),
When is the sound of this last trump? Messiah's coming? The resurrection? The rapture? ALL OF THESE EVENTS OCCUR IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS..... (Matt 24:29-31)

So you see, the so-called "rapture" is an event that occurs AFTER the tribulation. The pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is a lie that was peddled by the w/h/0/r/e of Babylon, the Roman Catholic church. This doctrine is dangerous b/c many will faint and lose heart when they don't see the Messiah come as they were led to believe and in fear, take that mark to their own damnation sad

Regarding "heaven", sometimes the the earth and its atmosphere/clouds, etc is referred to as "heaven" in the scriptures. Matt 24:31 tells you the Messiah will gather his elect from "heaven". Do you think that the resurrected dead and raptured saints will be gathered from the literal 3rd heaven based on this context? Yashuah himself tells you that no man hath ascended up to heaven (John 3:13). Our mansions will be right alongside the meek who shall inherit the EARTH, and the poor in spirit of whose is the Kingdom of Heaven. The meek on Earth won't be separated from poor in spirit, all of Yah's saints shall be neighbors with grand mansions in Yah's righteous kingdom which will be established here on Earth (Jer 23:5). Zechariah 9 and 14, Micah 4... these are just a few of several scriptures that detail Yashuah's reign --not in heaven, but on earth.

2. cool

3. Great point. The mystery of the 7 seals, 7 trumpets and 7 bowls is so exciting! These judgments are all connected in that the Seventh Seal introduces the Seven Trumpets, and the Seventh Trumpet introduces the Seven Bowls. Generally, I associate the Apocalypse or 4 horsemen with the Seals. Martyrdom and the mark of the beast occurs during the Trumpets. So yes, by the time the Seven Bowls occur, Yah's people have already been previously gathered in the 7th Trump. They haven't been "raptured" off to heaven though. I can't remember where, but I vaguely recall reading scriptures involving the saints (that's us) new bodies and all, will join the heavenly host with our ha Mashiach to make war the wicked armies gathering in the Valley of Decision. grin cool

4. Ok, I see. The war in heaven described in Rev 12 seems to relay the epic battle of old. The greatest eviction known in time and space occurred a very long time ago, I don't think it will ever happen again grin
Hmmmm interestingly Cool. But please was all this learnt from your private study of the Word with the Holy Spirit or you went to a bible school / college where you were taught. Just an innocent question, I actually have nothing to add or remove from your post. I am just observing and learning at the same time

Btw@ nnamdiosu. Nice one bro, am learning
Christianity EtcRe: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by JMG1: 10:46am On Dec 07, 2016
MuttleyLaff:
JMG1 you're desperately so predictable

Oppy4God, dont let JMG1 fool you, aint nothing wrong in what I posted
Forget whatever JMG1 has written to you or posted about me,
just examine with an open heart what I posted and judge the content on its own merits

Even if some, particularly like JMG1, considers the post ''disruptive'', you'll find the post still has more merit than JMG1's post,
whose posts or comments from being ill-informed, are mostly full of self-indulgent twaddle and empty rhetorics
You are good at this. What I did when u started with me was to check my spirit and let the Holy Spirit guide me into all truth which he did. I advice Oppy4God to do the same. The Holy Spirit is our personal helper, go to Him and allow Him to lead you. Shalom

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