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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Answers real Life Questions Here. by Joagbajee: 1:52pm On Nov 05, 2011

If a christian commits sin and dies and was not able to ask God for forgiveness, will he go to Hell?

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Of God Called Rain Down During A Crusade. by Joagbajee: 1:38pm On Nov 05, 2011

dare2think:
Pls Mr, where is the miracle in the video?

It's on first page.

Ppl antagonise miracles because of folks like you that falsifies it.

Thats false accusation , which miracle did you see me fake?

Proverbs 19:5
A false witness shall not be unpunished,and he that speaketh lies shall not escape.

Pls do answer my question, where you present when this "miracle" happened?

It wasn't in Nigeria . Watch the video

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 1:28pm On Nov 05, 2011

Enigma:
Have you now learned the meaning of "escape"? Does the statement "Jesus escaped" still mean, to you, that Jesus "ran away", that Jesus ran helter skelter?
Did your own "Jesus" hide ---- under the table, under the bed, under the pulpit?

What does criminal code say about offerings in church dude.?

What does the law of God say about a pastor refunding money given in church?

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 1:10pm On Nov 05, 2011

Enigma:
It will be over your head! You who don't know the meaning of "escape" --- which for you means Jesus was running helter-skelter! Or that Jesus was hiding under the bed and under the table!

You seem to be the one looking for table to hide under right now. Your lies have caught up with you.

You think you can read and understand statutory provisions? You don't know your limits! Just keep to deceiving people of their money; if the other fellow is truly a lawyer, he will understand me and know what to do --- at least I'd expect him to

There is a difference between a LAWYER and a "CHARGE AND BAIL!"

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 1:06pm On Nov 05, 2011

Enigma:
It applies to Oyakhilome as much as it applies to me!

Which church do you attend? Where do you fellowship? And why are you not afraid to use Gods name to lie.How did you receive the call? You think this is a joke?

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 1:00pm On Nov 05, 2011

Enigma:
Read chapters 34-39 of the Nigerian Criminal Code.

Quote it out na grin

. You want him to read it in secret? Let us read it too? We make open posts here sir.

By the way, what about the law of God - when a "pastor" deliberately refuses to return known stolen money/goods?

Where in the law of God? Please quote it out. Thanks.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 12:57pm On Nov 05, 2011

Enigma:
Authority goes with my office, the office I was ordained into by Jesus Christ Himself, to rebuke and expose the likes of Oyakhilome.

So by virtue of the authority of my office as given to me by Christ, I confirm and declare that Oyakhilome is a false teacher, heretic deceiver and fraud.

Hebrews 5:4
. . And no man taketh this honour unto himself but he that is called of God. . .

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 12:30pm On Nov 05, 2011

Enigma:
Oyakhilome is found wanting, so we reject him! Finish.

We who? Speak for yourself.

Jesus and the apostles taught us to beware of false prophets and wolves in sheep clothing; we are also required to warn and to guard the members of the flock.

Why not quote Jesus and let everybody see what it was about. Salvation is personal.

The same Paul rebuked quite a few people --- even mentioning them by name. And yes, we are happy if the gospel of Christ is preached by anyone. However, the prosperity "gospel" is NOT the gospel of Christ and its preachers can be decried from the very rooftops.

Jesus and paul were prophets and apostles. Authority goes with their office. It doesn't apply to . . . cool

[snipped the rest of your post]

Its the word of God . You can't fight it.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 12:18pm On Nov 05, 2011

Barr rich:
As a Legal Practitioner by profession I think I can at least contribute to the above quote. I would look at it from the legal standpoint and from a spiritual standpoint.
When you talk about stealing, you need to look at what the law says concerning stealing by looking at the basic ingredients that needs to be proved and the facts giving rise to the stealing before you draw conclusions.
Now if you just blatantly say here that Pastor Chris is a thief without 1st establishing the theft, you will be wrong.

Please tell him/her

Whose money was stolen? Did Pastor Chris stole money from anybody, even though the person alleged to have stolen the money is a member of his church and have contributed part of it to a programme that was held a long time ago. Listening at the message Pastor Chris preaches, can you say he encouraged the alleged member to go and steal?

GBAMM!

How will you retrieve money that was used for a programme as some are saying that the church should refund the money?

Him/her claim to be a doctor. If the guy had come for treatment in the hospital and spend part of the money medically . Will him/her refund it?

Satan is just mad at pastor Chris that the points being raised in these attacks are so childish.

, looking at it from the spiritual angle, someone might argue, why didn't the church ask for the source of the money before accepting it?
If anyone can give me a scripture where Jesus said that brethren needs to be scrutinised when they bring offerings and monies to church to confirm that these monies were not stolen monies, I will rest my case.

Here is my ruling. CASE DISMISSSED!

GBAM!

All rise!

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 12:08pm On Nov 05, 2011

dare2think:
Ok. If I start a church tomorrow with greedy intentions, and I happen to be very successful. Portraying the "Man of God" image and at the same time indulge in unscrupulous shenanigans. Some people notice this hypocrisy, should they keep mute because they are under the assumption that God called me to office? or should they confront me rather than let me damage the image of Christianity?

Firstly , if a man claim he is of God, we ought to judge his doctrine by Gods word. If he is found to be wantin the bible says to reject him. God didn't make us spiritual policemen.

Romans 14:4
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

If a man "opens" a church with wrong motive. It is between him and God. But one thing is clear. Ministry is of the holy spirit . If God didn't send a man, he will lack the power to function. Besides ,he cant last there. People will soon leave him. People have problems and you can't solve their problem if you're not sent because the power is in the calling.

People can't be deceived for long. If people under him can't be helped and nourished , they will go to other pasture where they can be fed. But God didn't ordain us to be attacking ministers . Jesus is the one building his church. He knows what to do about false prophets. Some have their judgement in the now ,others later.

Matthew 3:10
10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Paul addressed the issue of wrong motive in preaching.

Philippians 1:15-18
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will: 16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds: 17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. 18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

We should not try to so the work of the holy spirit . God has an agenda in dealing with falsehood.

My point is, should we now assume that everybody that leads a church congregation, regardless of size, has been called to that office by God?

We should be concerned by our jurisdiction. I don't believe in the doctrines of the JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES . But I won't go on air attacking them. Or attacking Mohamed . But If meet them one on one I will share the truth I know with them and leave the conviction to the holy spirit I have led many to christ that way. If every christian will go out to reach others with truth.

Including those "Men of God" who have led people to mas suicide, Men who have molested children of their members, Men who have slept with some female members, Men who have destroyed marital homes.

We all have the word of God for ourselves to study. Nobody can hold another person responsible if he goes to hell. We have access to the bible. When the rich man asked Abraham to send Lazarus to the earth to warn his wicked brothers about the reality of Hell Jesus replies " they have the scriptures to read for themselves"

Luke 16:28-29
28 for I have five brothers--to warn them about this place of torment lest they come here when they die.'
29 "But Abraham said, `The Scriptures have warned them again and again. Your brothers can read them anytime they want to.'

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 11:31am On Nov 05, 2011

dare2think:
Says who? If I come out and claim to be on a higher level, would you just believe me? How would you tell if I am a Charlatan?

If you're not of God you will deny the lordship of Jesus .

How can you differentiate those who have the holy spirit and those who fake it? For example, What if I tell you the holy spirit is instructing to warn you, Joagbaje, not to keep following MEN but to only follow your lord only? How will you discern the genuineness of my "Holy Spirit"?

i will judge your prophecy by the word . Firstly ,I'm not following MEN. But if it's to follow the leadership or teaching of a pastor you refer to as following men. It's not wrong. Paul asked his members to following him.

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by Joagbajee: 11:10am On Nov 05, 2011

^^^^
so you guys are behind it? You have failed already cool

I will keep speaking the truth. Let the viewers judge who is lying between us all. The Word of God is my authority and in it I stand.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 10:56am On Nov 05, 2011

dare2think:
@joagbaje
I don't know the answer to the question, so if you care to explain, pls do.

you're very polite with me these days o. Wetin happen? cool

However, do you mean Chris has the "infilling" while some people don't? Do you have some special vision to ascertain when an individual has this spirit?

I've been waiting for frosbel, what I'm trying to make him understand is that there are three phases of the anointing .

1. ELECTION or call of God. Being chosen, Every christian falls into this category . But there is a higher level.
2. ABILITY : Infilling of the holy spirit. Now every christian don't have this. after a man gets born again, he needs to receive the holy spirit which grants him enduement of power.
3. OFFICE: This has to do with the call of God upon certain individuals. Who have been anointed as leaders over ther others. And this is what we are talking about . It is in regards to this office we are dealing with. Those who function in such offices such as pastors, apostles ,prophets etc are heads and rulers in The church. They must be respected by the virtue of the office. Because of the anointing for that office.

It's only those who don't know Gods word that can not differentiate between the 3 levels. Peter commanded the death of Ananias and sapphira his wife . Yet they are both Christians , what gave one authority over the other ? That's what we are talking about. It's the office. It is not the man but the office he occupies . If God use a man in such office you ought to have reverence for such. It is the same principle both in the old testament and the new.

Remember the error of sons of Korah in the bible . They couldn't differentiate between the 2. They dwell on the general and equality to attack Moses leadership. In the name of. "WE ARE ALL ANOINTED "

Numbers 16:3-4
. . . .And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the Lord is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the Lord? 4 And when Moses heard it, he fell upon his face:

It's sons of belial that make a sport of mocking,insulting and attacking such men. some do it ignorantly others do it rebelliously to their own damnation.

Jude 1:8-10
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. 10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

By the way, how come you have not answered my question in the "rain miracle" thread?

I didn't know, I will check it.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 1:54am On Nov 05, 2011

dare2think:
Did that scripture not specify "US" in the text?
Did the text say oyahkilome or Oyedepo or T.b Joshua or a "chosen few"?, it said "US".
So, stop elevating your fellow MAN, only God deserves such elevation.

you should read my post well. The word "anointed" has more than one meaning. You should know the context of a use. I explained that. I asked frosbel a question. Maybe you should give it a shot.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 1:22am On Nov 05, 2011

ogajim:
) JoAgbaje can't even spell ANOINTING let alone know what it means, omase ooooo

Okay ooo, joagbaje is always the centre of your post. Why don't you explain ANOINTING for us. Abi na annoiring?

Christianity Etc › Re: Divorce And The Bible: Does God Allow Mistakes? by Joagbajee: 1:18am On Nov 05, 2011

Marriage is a school. It's the first place your christianity and spirituality is tested. I know it's easy to dish advise out if you're not in the shoe. But you don't necessarily need someone with such experience to tell you truth here.

I will suggest you see your pastor or if you have seen him I would like to know his response. Marital matter doesn't always have just "yes" or "No" answer. There is peculiarity in each case. she is not here to speak for herself. But a pastor will hear 2 of you out. There are 2 sides of a coin.

I will also like to know,if these "behaviours" of hers have always been there or they began to manifest at one point in time.

Lastly there's no perfect partner, we bring the perfection out of our partners. The love we claim to have by the word of God has to be tested. There's hope for her change, but the "how" to effect the change is important also . Everybody can change.

The problem can also be spiritual also. Divorce is a last option . Even though it's a selfish option. It shouldn't be considered until you have put to work all you know from the word of God. But I strongly recommend pastoral counselling if you're both born again . If it's a spiritual problem, the pastor will know how to deal with it.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 12:57am On Nov 05, 2011

frosbel:
"Come and hear the most anointed prophet and preacher in the world today," reads the brochure for the latest seminar. This preacher or that evangelist is touted as the latest "anointed one" who stands beyond his peers because of a special endowment from God. Has God placed favored son status on certain individuals? In the New Testament, who is the "anointed one"? Are there true Christians who are not "anointed"? The Biblical answers to these questions may surprise you."

[size=13pt]"If anyone says to you `Look, here is the anointed one, or here' do not believe him." - Jesus (Matthew 24:23 literal translation from the Greek).
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Lets not quote scriptures out of context. Don't be in a hurry. Let truth prevail. Let's take it step by step.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 12:56am On Nov 05, 2011

frosbel:
Let's talk about the anointing of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament.

The oil anointing was for kingship and also an antitype of the Holy Spirit anointing in the new testament.

I agree. But what's the point?

There are diverse gifts from the Holy Spirit, but they are gifts not anointing. The anointing is general for all believers , there is no special anointing.

Before i deal with the other things you wrote i will like to ask you this . Is there a difference between a christian who has received the infilling and the one who has not? Let's start with that.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 12:34am On Nov 05, 2011

Enigma:
Who ordained Oyakhilome?
Who "anointed" or "consecrated" him to/for the office of "pastor"?

It's God.

2 Corinthians 1:21
21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 12:09am On Nov 05, 2011

frosbel:
It appears that you have no clue as to what the word anointed means.

Don't be too quick to assume what I don't know. You may just be the ignorant person here. So let's be humble.

Every child of God is anointed.

There are different kinds of anointing. It could mean to be empowered, To be elected, to be smeared with oil ,to be chosen , consencrated into an office etc.

g5548. χρίω chriō; probably akin to 5530 through the idea of contact; to smear or rub with oil, i.e. (by implication) to consecrate to an office or religious service: — anoint. AV (5) - anoint 5; I.to anoint A.consecrating Jesus to the Messianic office, and furnishing him with the necessary powers for its administration B.enduing Christians with the gifts of the Holy Spirit

We are not talking about the general anointing of every christian. We are talking about being consecrated into an office. Hope you understand the difference.

Israel as a nation had the general "anointing" in a sense but those who know the Word of God understand the difference. David couldn't kill Saul because of the anointing . He prevented abishai from killing king Saul .

1 Samuel 26:9
9 And David said to Abishai, Destroy him not: for who can stretch forth his hand against the Lord's anointed, and be guiltless?

Frosbel, was David talking about general anointing on everybody here or he was making reference to the office of the king? Think on this and respond.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 10:56pm On Nov 04, 2011

Azibalua:
Was the money given to pastor chris or to God?

ah, you want he/she to call God thief? Maybe churches should be some special koboko angels who will ask individual where they get their money before they drop it. cool

Christianity Etc › Re: Christ Ambassey Again With 419 In Enugu by Joagbajee: 8:53pm On Nov 04, 2011

CELL2ME2:
Are we going to say that this is wholly for the offering money or trying to intimidate people in the name of GOD??

How much Offerings do people give in a crusade? Do you know how many millions it takes to organise a crusade? Crusade are not organised to raise money but to reach out to sinners and bring them into light.

Christianity Etc › Re: I Believe Pastor Chris Should Be Respected by Joagbajee: 7:47pm On Nov 04, 2011

^^^^
so you will call your pastor brood of viper? cheesy

People get the bible wrong and use it to their own damnation. It takes an anointed man to rebuke an anointed man.I'm talking about being anointed into an office. Jesus was an apostle, paul was an apostle. John was a prophet . They had authority by the virtue of their office to rebuke.

This is not thesame as individual Christians exhibiting their carnality by insulting anointed men. This is purely against bible teachings.

Romans 14:4
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

Even paul had to apologise for insulting the high priest out of provocation. Even though the high priest did wrong.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Of God Called Rain Down During A Crusade. by Joagbajee: 5:57pm On Nov 04, 2011

Why do you guys always antagonise miracles.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Answers real Life Questions Here. by Joagbajee: 4:47pm On Nov 04, 2011

CAN I TAKE COMMUNION IF I HAVEN'T DONE BAPTISM.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Man Of God Called Rain Down During A Crusade. by Joagbajee: 4:29pm On Nov 04, 2011

plappville:
What was really your aim of Posting this video? I need an answer plz.

I've not been able to log on for 3 or 4 days. The video explains itself. It's testimony of the name of Jesus . It didn't happen hear in Nigeria . He said months ahead that God told him he would rain showers of blessing as a sign on the day of the crusade. And if you observe , the Sun was shining when the man said "let the rain fall" and suddenly the weather changed and rain fell . Its a testimony of Gods power . Especially for those who doubt the miraculous and the power of God in the church today.

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions? Comments? Complaints? Talk To The Moderators Here by Joagbajee: 4:19pm On Nov 04, 2011

Dear moderators, I've not been able to log on with my I.D. (joagbaje ) after I made attempt to make changes in my profile. each time I try to log on, This is the message I see : Your email address needs to be validated before you can login. Need another activation email?

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