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bloodofthelamb:
This is last time I will say this. Apostle Paul "thorn in the flesh" was not a sickness but a messenger of Satan causing trouble for him everywhere he goes.

my post to you was concerning your comment that healing cannot work in people with unbelief
and i replied that paul didn't have unbelief yet he wasn't healed when he asked

and here you go changing the subject once again, and that's because you have no replies to most of my posts,
no true replies that is, lies have crept in though

0temSapien:
See now, you can't accept the truth. You have fully devoted yourself to religious fables

oh duh copy cat is all you can do

0temSapien:
The truth in this place is staring at your face. Learn the truth and be free from religious lies

u talking nonsense still otem
you turned from the truth, Jesus, the bible
and turned to lies, false gods, doctufos

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

bloodofthelamb:
I have ask you this before, do you take drugs when you are sick? If you do why?

Have ever considered that you are going against the will of Jesus who wants you diseased in other to keep you humble?

in saying that you neither know Jesus or the scriptures, Jesus does not want anyone diseased in other to keep them humble,
satan and sin cause disease, and God can and does use disease for our furthergrowth

bloodofthelamb:
There is healing for all in Christ Jesus. Jesus was raised for all of humanity so that all who looked at him will be healed both from sin and it effects( sickness ).

It is unto us according to our faith. The healing power of God cannot work in you, if your heart is full of unbelief.

while that is so, according to bloodofthelamb The healing power of God could not work in paul, because his heart was full of unbelief

perhaps you should study the bible a lot more before you start preaching
much of what you say is from your head AND NOT FROM THE BIBLE

bloodofthelamb:
You are right but I want to add something. Jesus said to the woman with the issue of blood, "your faith has made you well(Luke 8:48)." It is always God's will to make us well all the time. We put God's will into motion in our lives and around us through our faith.

Note brother that Jesus did not say to the woman that my will has made you well. We need to fully know the heart of God. His heart is so precious towards us.

Jesus heals many people due to their belief-faith, but He does not immeditally heal everyone of faith

you bloodofthelamb say if a person is not healed it's because their faith is not strong enough

but Jesus did not heal paul when paul asked Him, and paul had more faith than most

paul endured more trials than most, he fought a good fight, he ran a good race, he finished the course, because he had much faith:

2Ti 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith

he kept the faith through it all, prison stoning etc.

It was Jesus will to withhold healing to paul, so that paul wouldn't be exalted, or exalt himself because of the revelations and visions he received, and through his infirmities he would receive even more power from Christ:

(2Co 12:6) For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.

(2Co 12:7) And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

(2Co 12:8] For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

(2Co 12:9) And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

bloodofthelamb:
Is ok if you decide to believe that sickness is the will of God for you but not me. You can keep glorifyng God in sickness but me and my family will glorify Him in health.

Do you take drugs to recover when ill? If you do, don't you think you are going against the will of God?

you started out with a lack of understanding of the bible
now you are resorting to lies-false accusation

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

what did Christ bear in His body that we were healed of, it shows right there in the same verse, we are healed of our sins, our sins went to the cross with our Lord, we now live righteous in God's eyes

truly some, even many, of the saved are still physically ill, but they are healed-saved of their sins

all the saved will be completely healed eventually, in God's good time, which is not now for many.

0temSapien:
Which version of the book of Otem is this o

he wrote his own book called otem
and now that it's part of doctufos you must believe it

bloodofthelamb:
johnw47, I repeat healing is certain and sure through our faith in Christ. Now is God's good time.

you cannot accept that there are saved christians that suffer from illness, ok

bloodofthelamb: 2: The Lord Jesus never refused Paul what he died to give him. The thorn in flesh was persecution. 2 Cor 12:9_ "And he said to me my grace is sufficient for you: for my strength is made perfect in WEAKNESS( not in sickness and disease).

3: Not all of us have it because not all of us know it and believe it. All things is possible to he that believe. Absolute health is possible in this life for as the Head( Jesus) is so ought to be the body( Believers).

4: Maybe he had a failing eye sight due to the stoning he received but that was not "the thorn in the flesh."

you are the one who keeps using the word "refused", paul did receive or will receive perfect health,
but Jesus didn't give it to him at that time when paul asked for the thorn to be removed,
try believing God's word instead of your own confusion

bloodofthelamb: 5: He was gathering sticks and the snake was hiding in it. If you think otherwise, you will have to prove it.

Shalom

and my original point was concerning pauls eyesight, that he was gathering sticks and he didn't see the viper

your arguing is very confused, you are not arguing for truth, but for your own version of it, and that you don't make mistakes, well read back through your posts, they contain mistakes confusion and false statments.

0temSapien:
Learn

otem, only fantasy and lies can be learned from your doctufos and your many gods,
and from your copying the bible and changing it:

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

solite3:
if the enemy is afflicting the child of God with sickness he can consult the elders of his local church let them pray and aniont him with oil, he Will be healed.
I believe paul had an eye sight problem due to his age he even advice Timothy to take care of his health, to take wine instead of water.
I knew of a man of God who though blind but God uses him mightily.

Paul left trophimus sick
It is not wrong for a believer to sick medical attention but he must know that the success of it is of God.
God made the herbs, gave medicinal knowledge to people in other to be able to treat natural sickness but some sickness cannot be treated like the case of that woman with an issue of blood.
Every physical healing is temporal as the human body breaks down sickness and eventually death may result.

yes, not all physical infirmities are healed in this lifetime

bloodofthelamb:
Paul might have gotten ill but healing is certain and sure.

healing is certain and sure in God's good time

bloodofthelamb: The Lord Jesus will never refuse anyone who comes in faith to Him, healing.

the Lord Jesus didn't heal paul who came to Him in faith, Christ healed or will heal paul in His good time

bloodofthelamb: Beloved, I will wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth (3 John 1:2). This is the heart beat of the One who was made a curse for you at the cross.

God's will for us is absolute health and not even healing.

God's will for us is absolute health, but not all of us have it yet, and many will never have absolute health in this life.

in future please give scriptures for the strange things you say, like these:

"Apostle Paul never had a failing eye sight."

"Paul did not pick up snake"

"The "thorn in the flesh" was never a sickness that the Lord refuse to take away"

by the way you bloodofthelamb are the one who used words like "refuse", a later time is not refusal

solite3:
if the enemy is afflicting the child of God with sickness he can consult the elders of his local church let them pray and aniont him with oil, he Will be healed.
I believe paul had an eye sight problem due to his age he even advice Timothy to take care of his health, to take wine instead of water.
I knew of a man of God who though blind but God uses him mightily.

Paul left trophimus sick
It is not wrong for a believer to sick medical attention but he must know that the success of it is of God.
God made the herbs, gave medicinal knowledge to people in other to be able to treat natural sickness but some sickness cannot be treated like the case of that woman with an issue of blood.
Every physical healing is temporal as the human body breaks down sickness and eventually death may result.

Jesus heals the saved completely, eventually,
and in the mean time He uses infirmities to teach us, to purify us, for spiritul growth

in pauls case, in that instance, the Lord didn't heal paul's infirmities, so that He could teach paul through them,
teach him not to be exalted from all his visions and revelations, for one thing,
and that others would not exalt him also, seeing his infirmities

2Co 12:1 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord.
2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;] such an one caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;]
2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
2Co 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.
2Co 12:6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me.
2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2Co 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

paul had much revelation and visions from God, and God allowed, or had, a satanic spirit afflict paul in many ways, health, persecution, prison and so on, so as paul would not get puffed up, or that people would not exalt him because of all his revelations and visions from God
paul asked God three times to remove the satanic spirit which was causing paul illness, persecution, prison etc., the Lord didn't, but said His grace was sufficient for paul

solite3:
I believe the thorn on Paul's flesh was not sickness but someone who persecuted paul because of the revelation he had in other to keep him humble.

But I agree with you that Paul's infirmities might be sickness

hi sol, we know from scriptures that paul had many infirmities
persecution being one of them
paul even said in that verse "my infirmitise" plural

2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

were Jesus stripes for our transgressions and iniquities(sins), or for our physical illnesses

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1Pe 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities(sins): the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

the saved are healed of their transgressions, their sins, by His stripes we are healed

bloodofthelamb:
johnw47, Paul did not pick up snake. He was gathering sticks to keep warm after the shipwreck when a snake came out and fastened itself on his hand.

Apostle was the most persecuted. He could have suffered infirmities through the result of his frequent persecution but healing is certain.

The "thorn in the flesh" was never a sickness that the Lord refuse to take away. Jesus healed all who were brought to him, why? Did Jesus ever refuse anyone came to him in faith healing? God wants us healed spiritually and bodily.

you never answered: "how can you say paul never had failing eyesight"

you never answered: "are you saying that no saved christian is physically sick?"

bloodofthelamb:
johnw47, Paul did not pick up snake. He was gathering sticks to keep warm after the shipwreck when a snake came out and fastened itself on his hand.

Apostle was the most persecuted. He could have suffered infirmities through the result of his frequent persecution but healing is certain.

The "thorn in the flesh" was never a sickness that the Lord refuse to take away. Jesus healed all who were brought to him, why? Did Jesus ever refuse anyone came to him in faith healing? God wants us healed spiritually and bodily.

duh, paul gathered a bundle of sticks, not picked up a bundle of sticks that someone else had gathered,
when he went to put them on the fire a viper came out from them because of the heat and bit paul on the hand,
paul picked up a viper, it didn't magically appear among the sticks


so bloodofthelamb, you don't believe the bible, paul asked the Lord three times
for healing but the Lord's grace is sufficient for paul to endure his infirmities:

2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

0temSapien:
'REINCARNATED' IS A PAST TENSE WORD
YAHWEH IN THE PRESENT TENSE IS CURRENTLY UNCONSCIOUS BECAUSE HIS MIND HAS BEEN CAPTURED INSIDE A SPIRITUAL VACUUM. THIS IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE CAN CALL 'Inexistence' but I use the word 'unconsciousness' sha.
Don't panic, your god will return to consciousness in about 998 years from now, but by then, he would have become totally irrelevant and useless to the mindsets and thoughts of our world.

otem, repeating nonsense, confusion, and lies, won't make it right

but keep fooling yourself

johnw47:
oh lost blasphemer

otem says Yahweh no longer exists
you say he reincarnated

funny fantasy this doctufos


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0temSapien:
When you are held in a vacuum, you know what that means? Pls enlighten yourself.

you telling lies again otem

turion referring to YAHWEH said to me: "ur statue god that is long dead and not existing anymore"

and you otem agreed with him saying: "you are right by saying this"

oh what a terrible web of lies you weave

bloodofthelamb:
johnw47, Jesus healed ALL who were sick in the body. He did this to make what prophet Isaiah had said come true (Matthew 8:16-17).

Jesus healed all that were bought to Him:

Mat 8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
Mat 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

bloodofthelamb: Healing is the children's bread (Matt 15-22-29). Apostle Paul never had a failing eye sight. The thorn in the flesh was a figure of speech that apostle paul used to identify those people opposing and persecuting his ministry. The thorn in the flesh were messanger of Satan buffeting him.

why did paul say to the galatians: "if possible you would gouge out your eyes and given them to me"
why did paul say to the galatians: “see with what large letters I am writing to you with my own hand.”

it seems from those that paul did have dimming sight and the galatians knew it

paul picked up a viper thinking it was firewood

these don't prove pauls sight was failing, but i would like to know how you know that: "Apostle Paul never had a failing eye sight"

bloodofthelamb: Atheist in this forum are a thorn in the flesh to Christians because they oppose and persecute us and our message of hope and light. Physical sickness is not and will never be the will of the Father to his children.

are you saying that no saved christian is physically sick?

bloodofthelamb: In Truth, we ought not to get sick and diseased, talkless of being healed. Perfect health is our God perfect will for us through Christ Jesus

perfect health will come during the millinium, and at the catching up to the lord before then

LordCenturion:
But how come the motherfucker reincarnated as mosheh?

oh lost blasphemer

otem says Yahweh no longer exists
you say he reincarnated

funny fantasy this doctufos


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LordCenturion:
Is not a false claim, I know that u have been having a sleepless night, y u are having a disturb mind towards the written, if care is not taken, u may develop a heart attack, u are not the only Christian that saw this writtens, am very sure that u didn't read this writtens but u just jump here to defend ur statue god that is long dead and not existing anymore

ha ha you and otem continue to be wrong on everything, and you are sure both still confused

0temSapien:
Yahweh is currently in a vacuum. Vacuum is filled with nothing, so you are right by saying this.

Ubenedictus:
Google shroud of Turin

the shroud of turin appears to be fake
drawings-paintings made from the shroud, show supposed Jesus having long hair to His shoulders

1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

paul would not have wrote that if Jesus had long hair

some say, but Jesus was a nazarite, who had long hair, sampson was one, however Jesus was not a nazarite, because he drank wine and approached the dead, which the nazarites were forbidden by their law to do, Jesus can be called a nazarite only because he was from nazareth

LordCenturion:
Bro, please am begging u, never mention my name again or quote me, u can see that I didn't tag ur name, quote u or replied u again,
So pls and pls leave me alone.

U can see that ur god isn't alive, I dare and challenge that god u are worshiping to come and fight me himself if truly he's a living being and his all powerful, but if u continue to fight a on his behalf, definely, u are worshiping a dead being, because I don't know the reason y u are writting nonsense here and disturbing this thread, if ur god is not blind or dead, let him challenge Otem by himself not u, have u red it in his bible where he said u shouldn't fight for him ?,so y are u disturbing and disobedience?. U are making him look like powerless being, like something that relied on the defence of his worshipers?. beside u are not the only Christian in this forum, just calm and let ur god handle everything if truly he's alive as u claim, the more u fight and make noise the more u render him useless, the way u are behaving, clearly shows that he's like a statue which can't talk, hear, walk or see which make u scare.

turion, you ask me to leave you alone, but my post that you quote was not to you

you ask me to leave you alone, and then you make the below false claims to me and ask me questions, duh:

"ur god isn't alive"

"u are worshiping a dead being"

"u are writting nonsense here"

"have u red it in his bible where he said u shouldn't fight for him ?"

"y are u disturbing and disobedience?"


not too intelligent turion, but sure you can discuss those things with me, go ahead

geoworldedu:
May I miss the rapture, that's my prayer for myself.

and you will, you finally got something right

1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1Pe 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Jesus can and does sometimes heal physical illness, but the healing spoken of in those verses is healing of the spirit-mind

we were going astray and He caused us to be dead to sin and to live righteously, by His stripes you are healed

he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities, we are restored to peace, by his stripes we are healed


the apostle paul asked the Lord to heal the thorn in his side, some kind of problem, possibly his failing eye sight, Jesus said: "my grace is sufficient for you"

Jesus was wounded for our transgressions and iniquities(sins), not for our fevers and broken limbs


for those suffering with physical ailments, if Christ decides His grace is sufficient for you,
then endure, and have joy, He will help you

follow up:

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Ahasco:
Please explain to me who Satan is and why he is called so. Thank you

yes i will aha, satan is the father and god of atheists and those who believe in false god's, even if they don't know it

you named yourself ahasco for these forums, someone named satan also, oh duh aha

0temSapien:
pointless

your replying with nonsense as i showed, is indeed pointless

geoworldedu:
This is how the christians will be raptured to heaven with a new skin

even that is better than what is in store for antichrists