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OtemAtum:
Come, do you want to tell me that you don't know that Yahweh is the same person as Satan? Okay, pick your bible let me show you something.

come, state your confusion once again otem, and i will show you once again that you are wrong

there is only one God His name is YAHWEH:

Mal_2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
Mar_12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
Rom_3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Psa 83:18 so that they must acknowledge you. Your name is the LORD. You alone are the Most High God of the whole earth.

LORD: (YHWH) YAHWEH




all other god's such as reverad etc are false gods,
which everyone knows, except otem and others that are deceived and deceiving:

2Ti_3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

OtemAtum:
Hmm... So the bible itself is aware that Satan(Yahweh) did transform itself into an Angel of light.

2Co_11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

duh otem, the Bible-YAHWAH's word, shows that satan the devil, who you call reverad,
transforms himself into an angel of light

as you keep showing otem, you are completely confused, of course:
1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

OtemAtum:
Why? Who's that beast casting people into the lake of faya?

there was no mention of beast or faya;

johnw47: you call it threat if you like

truth, is what it is:
Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

of course you are forever confused otem, your false god reverad the devil sees to that

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

OtemAtum:
Stale as usual. Here's a manifestation of lack of understanding.

satan is the devil, i understand that, and you don't, but you do love to lie otem


truly you otem did say, -YAHWEH is satan

truly reverad did say, -the devil is not a personality

truly you and your god contradict one another

truly when reverad said, -the devil is not a personality, it then said, -the devil is a person .... ~~oh stop it, splitting sides


satan the devil has many names and titles to deceive the world,
reverad is just one of them:

Rev_12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

OtemAtum:
So the verse didn't know that anybody can come into anything and leave anything at any point in time? So the spirit inside the traditional religion could have said the same, because many people departed from the traditional faith and gave heed to seducing faith(Christianity)...ha! ha! ha!
The spirit of the Muslim faith would have said the same thing, that many will leave Allah's faith and give heed to other religion(seducing faith)...ha, ha, ha...I'm busting the lying spirit inside your religion right now

well it's obvious that explaining something to you doesn't help at all with your much confusion

OtemAtum: God Almighty which created Yahweh is indeed peaceful. I have experienced God and I can say, GOD(in the innermost UNIVERSE) is the most peaceful of its manifestation.

Eartum 9:7

7. Chaleb said, I am not retiring, but I wish to go into the innermost universe to study peace thoroughly and to study as many afterlives which are made there with the minds.

your angel of light, reverad-satan gives you temporary peace, ok:

2Co_11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

OtemAtum:
Your threat of LAKE Chad of FIRE sounds like the threats of Sheu and Sheik of the homo erectus era. All these threats that can't even affect a mosquito's good health sef. Better go and learn how to use words of threats from Elikamah.

you call it threat if you like, but it's nothing like your fantasy book there

truth is what it is:
Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

OtemAtum:
The spirit speaks expressly...lol...or you want to say that 'the writer' speaks expressly. Many shall depart from the faith? lol. What about many joining the faith, the spirit didn't see that? The spirit didn't know that life is 'soldier go soldier come?' I was brainwashed into faith and pulled out when I found the truth. The spirit doesn't understand that principle ni?
That spirit has problem aswear

1Ti_4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

ha ha, oh duh otem, people coming into the faith has nothing to do with the verse which is speaking of those like you who have left the faith giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils


talk about much confusion, your reverad the devil is the author of that otem

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

OtemAtum:
But all these didn't counter the reality of Yahweh's captivity.

truly there is no reality in the false beliefs of the contradicting reverad and his book
and it's gullible followers

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



but don't despair you will be thrown into the lake of fire along with reverad-satan the devil
and will spend eternity there with him, oh happy days

OtemAtum:
Still on that stale argument. I wish for the visitation of the light of God in your life. You are in a dire need of understanding. Peace.

but i do understand that you say, -YAHWEH is satan

and i do understand that you are in contradiction with your god reverad
who says, -the devil is not a personality

and i do understand that not only you and your false god are in contradiction with each other,
but also that reverad is in contradiction with itself
when it said, -the devil is not a personality, but is a person .... ha ha oh my splitting sides

otem said, -YAHWEH is satan

reverad said through it's book doctoredfos, -the devil is not a personality

otem you are in contradiction with your god reverad,
but what does reverad know, after saying the devil is not a personality, it went on to say:
-the devil is a person when that person is being bad, ~~ha ha such a weak explanation,
but the funnier part is, -the devil is not a personality but is a person, ~~laughing

otem, you and satan should get together more often to sync with each other what you believe,
and to share half a brain between you


Rev_20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

OtemAtum:
You don't address my threads, you only post words of threats which cannot even scare a 21st century mosquito let alone a god like me.

i do address your mumbo jumbo
i post the truth about it:

2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

1Ti_4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

OtemAtum:
Yahweh himself, who is currently in his spiritual cage, knows his creator, even though he disowned his creator, that doesn't mean that he doesn't know his creator.

First Job 1:32

32. But Jehovah refused to follow after the Light of God Almighty to the Anystenx. But he rebelliously disowned Reverad(his creator) saying, who is God?

Exo_6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.



otem, having left the truth, you have been blinded, following reverad-satan the devil, and it's perverted books

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

1Ti_4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;


2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

OtemAtum:
Address this topic, please

yes sure, concerning the topic:

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

1Ti_4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

OtemAtum:
Do you understand what the thread is all about at all? Yes, God Almighty, the creator of Allah, Yahweh, etc is not subject to time, but that is not what this thread is all about.

you otem are obsessed with lying about YAHWEH, just like your father reverad the devil is:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

you already have your reward, which is the honour of your fellow know nothings,
but a greater reward awaits you and your god reverad:

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

OtemAtum:
They can lie for Aferk(in ancient language).

of course not true, but you otem lie like your father and god reverad, and that is the truth:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

OtemAtum:
That's for only those who are interested in going to the father of fictitious Jesus. If you want to go to Yahweh, then go thru fictitious Jesus, no probs. But there are thousands of better gods than Yahweh.

BTW, currently Yahweh is in a spiritual cage where his godmates have confined him to.

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



otem, your god reverad the devil has blinded you,
that's how much it thinks of you:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



you otem will be with reverad the devil in the place prepared for it:

Mat_25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

OtemAtum:
That's for only those who are interested in going to the father of fictitious Jesus. If you want to go to Yahweh, then go thru fictitious Jesus, no probs. But there are thousands of better gods than Yahweh.

BTW, currently Yahweh is in a spiritual cage where his godmates have confined him to.

1Co_3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

Jer_2:5 Thus saith the LORD, What iniquity have your fathers found in me, that they are gone far from me, and have walked after vanity, and are become vain?

Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

did the reporter misrepresent pope on hell?



pope is certinally not infallable or God's representive when he thinks diffrently than God does


pope francis statement on gay people:

Who am I to judge?


if pope believed God's word the Bible, he wouldn't have to judge, just believe.
God's word on gay people:

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.


1Co 6:9 Don't you know that wicked people won't inherit the kingdom of God? Stop deceiving yourselves! People who continue to commit sexual sins, who worship false gods, those who commit adultery, homosexuals,


Jud 1:5 I want to remind you about what you already know: The Lord once saved his people from Egypt. But on another occasion he destroyed those who didn't believe.
Jud 1:6 He held angels for judgment on the great day. They were held in darkness, bound by eternal chains. These are the angels who didn't keep their position of authority but abandoned their assigned place.
Jud 1:7 What happened to Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities near them is an example for us of the punishment of eternal fire. The people of these cities suffered the same fate that God's people and the angels did, because they committed sexual sins and engaged in homosexual activities.

rc's look to pope, but he is only a man,
not a knowledgeable or God believing one at that

either you believe pope
or you believe God through His inspired word the Bible

2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness




hell can refer to the grave, and it can refer to a place of eternal fiery torment

there is a place of eternal fiery torment called hell and the Lake of Fire:

Rev_19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev_20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Rev_20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Jesus said:

Mat_5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:



Mar 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go[b] into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched[/b]:

Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Mar 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Mar 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Mar 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

things are moving right along

johnw47:
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:


the mark of the beast, which the beast out of the earth-the false phophet will cause people to receive on their forehead or right hand could be a tattoo,




the mark could be a tattoo:

mark
G5480

χάραγμα
charagma
khar'-ag-mah
From the same as G5482; a scratch or etching, that is, stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue): - graven, mark.
Total KJV occurrences: 9


did someone say that pope is encouraging tattoos
tattoos are so common these days, it won't be hard to have people take the mark, if it's a tattoo

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:


the mark of the beast, which the beast out of the earth-the false phophet will cause people to receive on their forehead or right hand could be a tattoo,




the mark could be a tattoo:

mark
G5480

χάραγμα
charagma
khar'-ag-mah
From the same as G5482; a scratch or etching, that is, stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue): - graven, mark.
Total KJV occurrences: 9


did someone say that pope is encouraging tattoos
tattoos are so common these days, it won't be hard to have people take the mark, if it's a tattoo

OtemAtum:
Singing: I'm walking away ay...there's boredom in this place, I'm walking away ay... to catch fun in other place. I'm walking away ay....

so you said, but lying is natural to you:
Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

OtemAtum:
It's left to you to understand or not. English is not my native language, so if I pass a message in English and some of you can't grasp the meaning, I move on.
Singing: I'm walking away... from stale arguments now... I'm walking away... to find a better debator... I'm walking away ay... to find a better debator
Do you know the original version of this song that year?

OtemAtum:
It's left to you to understand or not. English is not my native language, so if I pass a message in English and some of you can't grasp the meaning, I move on.
[b] Singing: I'm walking away... from stale arguments now... I'm walking away... to find a better debator... I'm walking away ay... to find a better debator
Do you know the original version of this song that year?

otem, forever running away from the truth,
it wasn't your words of "devil is no personality" and "devil is a person ...."
that was your almighty god reverad through his-hers-its book doctoredfos

you may not be able to tell the truth, but you sure do keep lying, laughter

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

OtemAtum:
It's left to you to understand or not. English is not my native language, so if I pass a message in English and some of you can't grasp the meaning, I move on.
Singing: I'm walking away... from stale arguments now... I'm walking away... to find a better debator... I'm walking away ay... to find a better debator
Do you know the original version of this song that year?

with you it's running away, you always run away from the truth


Father is truth, the Bible is truth:
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Jesus is truth:
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

the Holy Spirit is truth:
Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

OtemAtum:
I was taught that Yahweh was God Almighty, but I learnt by inspiration and by seeing it in the spiritual realm that Yahweh is just one of the thousands of gods known to us.

1Ti_4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

how true:
you otem departed from the faith
you otem heed seducing spirits: reverad and many other false gods as well
you otem believes doctrines of devils: books in a volume called doctoredfos

OtemAtum:
Let me use you as an example of what the Doctufos meant. The problem here is COMPREHENSION. You need it so much.

For example,
Johnw is also known as Williams
Johnw is a Doctor
A Doctor is not usually a name christened to anyone at birth.
The word Williams doesn't literally mean a Doctor. Rather, a Doctor is one who treats sick patients in the hospital.

Now equate Johnw as Yahweh; Williams as Satan and Doctor as Devil and put them in the analogy above. Then you should be able to understand the analogy of the DOCTUFOS HISTORY.

yes i understand perfectly that doctoredfos is a very confused history,
with a contradicting god reverad, and a follower with pea for brain who believes many things so long as it is not truth,
and who along with his almighty god goes to great lenghts to try and show that satan the devil is not a personality, but a person .... who, haaa ha

OtemAtum:
How can you be using a religion to talk about the true God? Religions only talk about a god or some gods, not about God Almighty their creators. That's why you see the characters of their supposed god different from one religion to the other. For example, Allah of Quran is different from the Yahweh of the bible. Olorun of the Yoruba religion is different from the Abassi, Nyame, Nzame, Anansi, Ohomorihi, Moloch, Baal, Vishnu, Mazda, etc of other religions.

you do love all of your false gods

remain confused:

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.



Gen_17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Exo_6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Isa_40:28 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.

OtemAtum:
Let me use you as an example of what the Doctufos meant. The problem here is COMPREHENSION. You need it so much.

For example,
Johnw is also known as Williams
Johnw is a Doctor
A Doctor is not usually a name christened to anyone at birth.
The word Williams doesn't literally mean a Doctor. Rather, a Doctor is one who treats sick patients in the hospital.

Now equate Johnw as Yahweh; Williams as Satan and Doctor as Devil and put them in the analogy above. Then you should be able to understand the analogy of the DOCTUFOS HISTORY.

hey twister otem, continually running away from truth

you said satan is yahweh, reverad through doctoredfos said devil is not a personality
you both contradict each other

reverad further said devil is a person....who is being bad, contradicting him-her-it self,
such is your almighty god, stay confused:

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

OtemAtum:
Didn't you see the word (theology) in bracket in that definition? What is theology? It's all about the philosophies of 'the gods' like Allah, Moloch, Yahweh, Vishnu, Mazda, Viracocha, etc.
The History Book (DOCTUFOS) does not recognise any 'Satan' as 'Chief devil' because the things written in it is from the factual side of life and not from the biased philosophy of religions.

So you can check definition 4&6 and you'll understand what the DOCTUFOS is talking about.

Once again, Yahweh(Satan) is not to be wholesomely and permanently attached with the name 'Devil' because he has a little goodness in himself. For example, the act of Yahweh cultivating large land at Eden is not an evil act but a good one. His imagination and making of heaven(a good but boring afterlife) for some people isn't altogether evil, but his act of imagining fire and making it real for some people in the hominids and homo erectus era is what is evil about him, but that doesn't mean the word 'devil' would stick with him forever even after changing his lifestyle markedly.

BTW, if you think that Satan(Yahweh) as a character, is the maker or originator of all the EVIL of the world, how come people are still committing evil even while he is already kept in a spiritual prison by his brothers(the good gods)?

i agree that i talk theology, Bible theology, about the true God



and that you talk demonology:

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;