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 Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 6:33pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
If my memory still serves me well, I think we have had this discussion before. Well, having a go at it once more time won't hurt. Rilwayne001:The Qur'an teaches both violence and peace just like most other ancient religious texts. For example, 1. "Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Qur'an 9:29, MUHSIN KHAN 2. "O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allah is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa [i.e. one of the Muttaqun (pious - see V.2:2). Verily, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware." Qur'an 49:13, MUHSIN KHAN Someone like you take the second verses and use it as the standard to judge the violent verses, and a great number of others take the first verse and use it as a standard to judge the peaceful verses. What we cannot deny is that both peaceful and violent verses exist in the Quran, just like they exist in the Bible. The only difference is that Christianity has undergone reformation and a great deal of denominations in Christendom denounce the evil verses. That's not the case in Islam.[/b] Furthermore, that he is an Msc student only shows that there are indeed educated illiterate in the society.What about a Professor of Islamic studies and Ancient literature who believes in death for unbelievers, is he also an educated illiterate? 6 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 12:48pm On Feb 23, 2016 |
[b]ENCOUNTER WITH SOMEONE IN THE 99% Proposition I Islam is a religion of peace. So what about ISIS & Boko Haram? Well, they're only a minority. They contribute only 1% of Muslims globally. Conclusion: Islam is a religion of peace. Proposition II And by the way, Islam is not responsible for terrorism. It's poverty, illiteracy & sociopolitical oppression that turn people to terrorists. Conclusion: Islam in itself can not turn people to terrorists. ****************** Yesterday, I was at the ATM. There were two Muslim ladies in full covering. They wore gloves & socks. The only part of their bodies left uncovered were the eyes. Their noses & foreheads were covered. The fingers were in gloves & the long, flowing garments reached to the wrists & had strings that suspended the sleeves on the fingers in case they slipped upwards & exposed a part of the wrist. And the whole clothing was pitch-black! Weather was hot & most people were sweating like Christmas goats as we were observing these ladies. Immediately they left, folks on the queue started talking about them. But on the same queue was a guy. From his voluminous beards & the length of his trouser, you know that he must be a devoted Muslim, if not a cleric. All of a sudden, he just burst out angrily & started attacking us verbally. He was told that he wasn't the one the conversation was about. People were talking about the girls and he didn't need to insult. He just burst into anger & started name-calling using expletives. Next thing, he got violent, wanted to pick stones from the ground but the security folks at the bank premises rescued the situation. I was afraid at the rage I just witnessed. My heart was panting hard. For the first time in my life, I witnessed the rage of a Muslim stranger & the result was scary. This guy is NOT part of the 1% we quote. He's part of the 99% of the 'peaceful' Muslims. I saw in it in his face: he's a Boko Haram soldier without the guns & bombs. This guy would join Boko Haram if he lived close enough to where they're. Unfortunately, he's living down south. Not every Muslim is like him but a large percentage will be like him. 30%? 40%? 50%? I don't know but obviously far more than the 1% we quote. Proposition I may not be correct afterall. I learnt he's an MSc student. He's surely not an illiterate & he's not more socially exposed than everybody else around here. So what could've made him an occult terrorist? You know the answer. Proposition II may not be correct afterall.[/b] 5 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:38pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
UyiIredia:Your inference is that God kickstarted the process? Pray, how do you come by this? Revelation? Bible? No. There are artificial processes in Nature and living systems exhibit a code that in principle nature cannot make. Your explanation was null and void since you willed key elements into being with no explanation as to which abiotic natural process made them and how so.What do you mean by artificial processes? All this boils down to the fact that you do not know what a Natural Process is. And I have defined it for you, but as usual you turn a deaf ear. How does a man make himself the jury and the judge? Science is not working on the question at all. If you are secure in your ignorance but can only hand out promissory notes feel free. I think it best we end things here. We've already started going in circles. Dude, Science is always working. Let that sink in! That's how the quality of life has been increasing every year. In all this, you are the one that is content in wallowing in ignorance. You have consistently refused to offer us the explanation of how God did what you say he did. 5 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 5:36pm On Feb 22, 2016*. Modified: 9:27pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
UyiIredia:You are confused! Are you saying that the order in our universe is permanent? How self-sustaining is a system that is tending to chaos by the minute? My turn? What is your Supernatural theory for Order in the Universe? And there is no evidence for the multiverse theory. Susskind clearly states the options as two. Either God made the universe fine-tuned or some material thing did it. There is no option 3. The multiverse explanation is an unverified hypothesis as of yet. Why postulate eternal multiverses that can never be observed ?[b]Nonsense! It is a better theory than what you propose. Obviously you didn't pay attention to the video you sent. Susskind clearly mentioned THREE options and then gave four options while merging two and four together. Wait, why will you send me a video you probably didn't watch to support your point? In the video, he totally dismissed the God option. In other words, you beat your chest that he mentioned God at all. Funny! True, there is no empirical evidence for the Multiverse theory yet. However it's the closest we have got for now. The universe has a relatively low entropy (low enough that you can live in it). In times past, it had an even lower entropy: the time near the Big Bang is a very low-entropy state. The multiverse theory comes along and explains the key datum (the low-entropy state) in terms of an even larger ensemble of universes. It also explains a few other even more abstruse data, such as the almost-but-not-quite-perfect smoothness of the universe on the very largest scales. So forgive me if I take this theory over "God did it". With this theory, we can keep working on a more acceptable solution instead of raising our hands up in despair and simply concede that it came from a Supernatural hand.[/b] This is nonsense. You just assume proteins and RNA into being without detailing how ABIOTIC NATURAL PROCESSES made them. Still be asking questions about how it is not natural when I've explained that natural processes IN PRINCIPLE cannot make a code.What are you saying? I explained to you a theory through which DNA came about. Listen, any process that happens in Nature is by definition a NATURAL PROCESS. It's simple enough. How can neuroscience explain that which is not material in nature ? Neuroscience only studies the structure related to consciousness. BTW before I can take you seriously on this one you need to answer the question atheists lke avoiding: how do chemical reactions which are constrained to chemical products and a use/or release of energy effect a non-material consciousness ? Please attempt the question or lets be done here.[b]You are not listening? What I told you is that Science has not FULLY explained it via material means. (Read it again and note the word FULLY). Human consciousness both observed from within and without is something we can observe and theorise about. Our observations of human consciousness, lead us to the conclusion that it is the product of information processing activity in the brain. With purpose-built information handling cells all collaborating to contribute to the activity. That's why I told you that it's a PROCESS. That's a big discovery. With that, we have a firm foundation to move ahead. In case you don't know, that's the manner all scientific discovery is done. We build upon knowledge. Nothing is fully known at first. So Consciousness is not an outlier. How do chemical reactions which are constrained to chemical products and a use/or release of energy effect a non-material consciousness? Answer: We don't know yet but Science is working on it. What is your theory?[/b] 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:56am On Feb 22, 2016*. Modified: 11:51am On Feb 22, 2016 |
UyiIredia:[b]Bros, learn some Physics. That the Universe tends to chaos does not mean that there won't be localized order. Consider a refrigerator. This mechanism decreases the entropy on its cool inside while it increases its entropy on its hot outside, and it does this by tapping into energy being brought to it from outside the system. Consequently, the refrigerator actually makes a net increase in the entropy of the universe. The universe started out with low entropy, in a highly ordered state. There are pockets of order, but those are created by chaos. And that's why Galaxies collide. We can see some distant ones colliding "as we speak" though technically, it's sometime in the past, but you get my point? It is said that ours will collide with Andromeda in a few billion years. In simple English, yes there is order in the world, but they are all tending towards chaos. Splash milk on the floor, look well and you will likely see a good pattern which suggests order, but it is in a chaotic state.[/b] Here is why the approach fails. Even scientists themselves admit that the narrowness of the constants that allow for the existence of the universe give the impression of fine tuning by a designer. If it quacks like a duck lets call it for what it is instead of allowing materialistic bias blind you as it has scientists, which is why they postulate an eternal multiverse.LOL. No Scientist worth his salt in the 21st century would invoke a designer without backing up his claim. Chairman, the video you sent is not helping your cause?  Susskind clearly says the theory evolved towards the multiverse (which obviously explains why our universe is life-tuned without the need of a creator) rather than a single, unique, special, life-tuned universe (which would likely require a creator). Susskind clearly says science goes with the multiverse theory i.e. the most probable explanation is not god! Check Minutes 4:40 - 4:50, 11:18 - 11:34, and 12:25 - 12:45 for quick reverences to this point.So tell me, why are you so excited? The genetic code is the set of rules by which information encoded in genetic material (DNA or RNA sequences) is[b]Very good. So how did that process you describe defy natural processes? Seems to me that I will have to spoonfeed you on this one. Here is the definition of a Natural process: A process existing in or produced by nature (rather than by the intent of human beings). We know for sure that DNA came after protein and RNA. Here is a good theory: the first bioactive and self replicating molecule was RNA. Proteins and RNA most probably evolved separately. The building blocks of protein, amino acids were fairly simple and were abundant. Later, the RNA enzymes catalysed the polymerisation of these amino acids to form the first proteins. Proteins and RNA came together to form the very first inklings of life. However, RNA is highly unstable and could not act as a robust molecule for information inheritance from one generation to the next. Hence two molecules of RNA fused with the help of hydrogen bonds to form a most stable and inert structure, DNA. This caused RNA to lose all of its catalytic activity. Now, the catalytic activity is mostly handled by proteins and DNA acts solely for transfer of genetic information. Now, look at the definition I gave you of a Natural Process, and explain to me how the genetic code in living organisms precludes the possibility they arose naturally.[/b] I'm not saying that. Neuroscience is doing a good job of explaining how consciousness relates to the brain. But neuroscience will never explain why laws of chemistry are violated in the brain where chemical reactions result in a sense of self.If you confess that Neuroscience is already doing some good job of explaining Consciousness via material means, why are you dismissing the possibility that Neuroscience will be able to come up with the solution for the rest of the puzzle? What's funny though is that you don't offer an explanation via supernatural means. All you did is arrogate to yourself solutions. That's silly. Science can explain some parts. According to you, they have done nothing. You can not explain any part. According to you, you have done everything. How silly can religion get! Digestion doesn't effect a mind, it's just chemical reactions all the way down. You don't know what a Parody is. Check your dictionary. 5 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:47am On Feb 20, 2016*. Modified: 10:04am On Feb 20, 2016 |
Like taurus25 said, I am not holding my breath that this will not turn to a cyclic argument. I will take my chances, though. UyiIredia[b]The first sentence is true, IF what you mean by that is that we owe ourselves the duty to continue to inquire about the process by which the natural world we are in came to being. We have investigated, searched and found alot of answers in the world we live in. It only makes sense that we be curious about the world itself. I agree with that. Your second statement is faulty though. The order of the universe does not necessarily suggest an intelligence. You went further in the response to John to say that the intelligence is the First Cause and the First Cause is God. What you just did is called an Argument from Ignorance fallacy. Dude, a first cause is a first cause. Continuing the sentence by renaming the first cause and calling it God, then give that God all kinds of attributes, tell others what he commands them to do, what to eat, how to pray, to hate LGBT people (or to love them), that is bit far fetched don't you think? It is not logic, it is a cheap trick to lure people into believing that your God is real while you have no evidence. Calling anything god is just a semantic game in order to muddle the issue. If you ask: "If god is hydrogen, would you accept that god exists?", the answer is "yes, but that is no god, it's just hydrogen". Right now, there is no proof of a first cause. Even if there is you cant call him God. Even if you call him God, you can't call him your own kind of hell-weilding God who is always interested in whom you have sex with. Here is a better approach, buddy: Admitting there is no evidence and no answer is much more honest than just trying to make something up. Cosmological evidence supports the Big Bang and with the validation of Einstein's gravitational waves, we retain hopes of getting what led to the Big Bang. Till then, zip up. The physical universe does not necessarily suggest an intelligence, and if it did, it is not sufficient enough proof to say it is God. It's a worse position to be in because such a dogmatic claim extinguishes further questioning. You're left weilding a whimsical, unsubstantiated guess, rather than an honest, unending and self-critical pursuit of knowledge.[/b] "The genetic code in living organisms precludes the possibility they arose naturally. Natural processes CAN'T give rise to codes which don't follow natural laws. As humans, we know that codes are always made by conscious effort so the presence of codes in living things is grounds to infer that God exists."What is this? Define a Gene Code. I know a guy on nairaland who would devote his life to exterminating you from this site if he hears you mutter this gibberish. Do you know the meaning of natural laws? If gene codes don't follow natural laws, how come Genetic algorithms are inspired in evolution? And what is Evolution without Natural Selection? Can you see the 'Natural' in Natural selection? Clear? "Consciousness in man is not explainable by materialistic means. Emergence can't explain consciousness since typically it deals with new physical properties that arise due to complex interactions. But the consciousness isn't physical and so can't be explained by purely material means moreso since physical things lack consciousness. This is good grounds to believe that a God that effects consciousness exists."[b]I agree that Consciousness is not FULLY explainable via material means. It's true that neither naturalism nor materialism can give an adequate explanation of mental events like consciousness. However as always, you say divine and supernatural explanations are needed to explain why we are conscious and how our brains work. This is craziness! Oga, here is what you are saying: Since we don't know how it works, we'll never know how it works and thus, there is no natural explanation. The mere fact that we do not know how something works does not mean that we never will and it certainly does not mean that there is no natural explanation. This argument is also open to easy parody. One could just as effectively argue that it is not possible to reduce digestive events or properties to physical events or properties and thus conclude that digestion has no natural explanation. But that is absurd, digestion does not occur in one place and with one event. Digestion is a process involving many different body parts. It is not localizable in one place or in one natural law. Similarly, consciousness is a process. It happens all over and is simply the expression of what is going on. The fact that we cannot reduce it to a single place or a single event is no more a problem here than it is with digestion! I must confess, I am irritated about the way you smuggled that last statement in. No explanation. No warning. No precursory tale to introduce us to the twaddle. You simply dumped the statement on us in an attempt to shove it down our throats. In all honesty, is that fair?[/b] 5 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:47am On Feb 20, 2016 |
johnydon22:[b]I must be a Prophet. LOL The moment he posted the replies and said you didn't reply, I concluded it must be because it betrays the ignorance of how nature works. It's quite frustrating. I will admit that it is one of my motivations for sticking to this thread. The average person who wants to be free from the shackles of these illogical myths has no need for the inner workings of the gene codes, consciousness or quantum physics. Simple logic like, how do we have identical emotional experiences yet we all invoke different causes and are adamant that the one each of us has chosen is the authentic one. It's either one of us is right and the others false, or none of us is right. We all cannot be right. They identify with the sequence of that kind of argument better. People like Iredia attempt to muddle the pool with big words without having a grasp of the concepts they attempt to curry to their sides. It is frustrating and irritating at the same time because their stance is not to learn, but to drag issues in a cyclic manner. Good to hear you love my work. Appreciated. You also offer one of the most comprehensive rebuttals to religious myths here. At no point do I see your stuff, especially when religious topics are pushed to the FP that I don't nod in satisfaction and admit that you know exactly what you are talking about. Kudos. I'm in Lagos. I travel around alot too though. NB: A couple of my friends are thinking of organising Live debates. A group of atheists in Ghana and Kenya are already doing great work in that respect. It is our intention to tow that line, logistics and ingrained intolerance permitting. I could make a case for you to be part of it if arrangements are concluded.[/b] 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:42pm On Feb 19, 2016 |
UyiIredia:LOL. If he fails to respond to your rebuttal, it's most likely because he sees that they are too juvenile for response. I can see that from the statements you have copied and pasted here. I will be back to give you as simple an explanation as I am able to. Gotta enjoy some Friday night rhythms, you know what I mean.  1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 4:56pm On Feb 19, 2016 |
UyiIredia:Interesting points. What I found more interesting though is the fact that johnydon22 already made very valid points in the third comment to counter your points. I would not bet on it that I would have done a better job. Dude, get better arguments. These ones are old. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 2:57pm On Feb 19, 2016 |
POSER FOR MUSLIMS If your religion punishes apostates, how can you be sure if your fellow worshippers love your god, or fear their neighbours? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 4:49pm On Feb 18, 2016 |
[b]READ AND BE SCARED... HAD A MOST DISTURBING/SCARY CONVERSATION THIS MORNING This Mallam I buy fruits from almost every morning, I stopped by today from my morning run. He finished peeling my pineapples and we started the usual haggling; Na 300 Naira o No o, na 200 Madam, things too cos. Allah, I nor fit sell am 200 Na wa for you o. We nor need talk dis same talk everyday now? 300 ke! You wan kill me? Ah, I be God? Ehn? You say I wan kill you. I no be God Ahn ah, na God dey kill pesin? Ehen now? Na God dey kill pesin! Yes Ha! I nor mean when pesin just sick die or e die for accident, I mean if pesin use im hand, kill another pesin, na God Yes (I stare at him). Do you believe in God? Yes Madam So, this God you believe in can ask you to kill someone today and you kill him/her Yes now Ha, Aboki. So see me now, are you saying that if God says you should kill me, you will kill me? Yes now? Kai, I nor buy your market again. But wait, shei God say ‘Thou shall not kill’ (I wonder what the Qu’ran version of that is) Yes ma. But other time, e fit say kill Okaaaaaay . How will you know it is God? If I see you and kill you, na God, if I no see you, no be God Wait, I mean how you go take know say na God dey tell you say make you kill me If I kill you, na God say make I kill you I no understand Na God dey control everything wey we do, so if I kill you, na God. If no be God, I no go see you So, if you kill me and they take you to court, you will say it is God Yes (Just to be sure, cuz I’m really scared now) So wait, you are saying you can see me one day like this and just kill me Yes. I raced home and recounted this to Jerry and Kollins. Jerry who’s familiar with the North said I’m surprised because I don’t live there. Obviously there is a saying that loosely translated means, ‘the fact that you play with a chicken does not mean you forget it is a chicken and you may one day need to kill it for food.’ Great. Just great. Source: https://www.facebook.com/pearl.osibu/posts/10153792151065324[/b] 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 4:33pm On Feb 18, 2016*. Modified: 11:20am On May 10, 2016 |
[b]ANOTHER VICTIM IS GONE... A friend wrote on Facebook: I just heard the most disheartening story this week. A young and vibrant mind was lost, she stopped taking her HIV medications because some prophet prayed for her and declared her free of HIV. -------------------------- After this, people started voicing out about the ordeals they have experienced. -------------------------- "It is the saddest thing. Working on the Community system strengthening, I have sadly seen too many of such cases. I lost an Aunt to Christ Chosen Church. They accused everyone of bewitching her including her mother who sadly died with the tag of a witch. They kept her there, used her ATM to drain her account then dumped her in a hospital and called us after which she died a few days later." "In 2011, my church pastor asked a lady on retroviral theraphy to stop taking her drug because according to the pastor, it is lack of faith that makes someone to rely on medication. Despite she has been taking the drug for about 4 years and with undetectable viral load, she died of the disease few weeks after she stopped her drug according to the pastor's advice. These pastors need to be prosecuted for murder or man slaughter. After the lady died my pastor said she died because she has no faith!" "Then there are those in Bayelsa who reject our free drugs and pay a pastor to flog HIV out of them." "Oh dear, some 4 years ago, at Aba, a young man was lost at one prayer gathering, he had kidney problem and the prophet ordered the parents to bring him to the ministry where he died two weeks later. That is not the sad part. The sad part is that they were preparing to take him to an oversea hospital for kidney transplant. Prophet duped them of everything." -------------------------- This is very common in Nigeria. For how long will these false prophets feed off innocents? What is our government or society doing to clamp on these fraudsters? What are YOU doing to educate people about these ills? Too the many god-denials who blame the victims for their woes in the hands of these evil fraudsters, I say, you do not understand the vulnerability of sick desperate people. [/b] 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Sports › Re: Flying Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (South Korea 2017) by joseph1013(op): 3:58pm On Feb 18, 2016 |
[b][size=14pt]CONFUSION OVER FLYING EAGLES JOB[/size] https://i2.wp.com/owngoalnigeria.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/image-82.jpg?resize=300%2C201 The Nigeria Football Federation recent announcement of Emmanuel Amunike as new coach of the Nigeria U-20 team have thrown the football house into confusion. After the announcement Manu Garba who was demoted to the U-17 from his U-20 role decline the offer of returning as coach of the U-17 as directed by the NFF. On his part Amunike spoke to owngoalnigeria.com from his base in Spain to deny the appointment insisting he is yet to be informed and he wasn’t contacted before the announcement was made. “I am not aware of my recent appointment as the coach of the U-20 and I dare say that is not how to employ a coach as negotiations were not done before the announcement” He told owngoalnigeria.com. He however didn’t sound like he was going to reject the offer but if he does then the NFF will starting looking for coaches to handle the U-20 and U-17 national team. http://owngoalnigeria.com/2016/02/18/confusion-over-flying-eagles-job/[/b] |
| Sports › Re: Flying Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (South Korea 2017) by joseph1013(op): 11:36am On Feb 18, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:[b] Amaju no longer strikes me as someone who can get things done as far as Sponsorship is concerned. It seems to me that with him, as soon as we go one step forward, it's 3 steps backwards. I'm not holding my breath for these set of officials to make things happen. On your reservation, the issue of bribing coaches to field players is something that has been happening and continues to happen. While it has reduced, it still happens. With my suggestion, I think they will not have a reason to make the bribes have a great impact on their selections. Take for instance, an agent of a player called Abdul Musa comes with a bribe of 200k to field him over Yakubu Shehu. You know that Yakubu is a better player than Abdul, but you know you can still manage Abdul. You are not being paid and so you need the 200k. Therefore you go with Abdul who can not pay at the top level. However, if there is an agreement with NFF for a percentage of the transfer fees of your players, you want to select the best players because you know that if you win a tournament like the U17 and U20, the best clubs in the world will come for your players. Who would take 200k over 2% of $500,000? That's already 2.5m naira using $ = 250! Calculate having 5 of such players. Now tell me the incentives you have to take 500k from agents of players to select their average players. This suggestion is the way forward if NFF continues to be broke and starve these coaches.[/b] 1 Like |
| Sports › Re: Flying Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (South Korea 2017) by joseph1013(op): 8:37am On Feb 18, 2016 |
[b]With what has been happening for a while now with NFF, if I will hazard a guess, I will say that one of the reasons Manu may not take up this appointment is because he knows he will be owed a substantial amount of money in salaries and allowances. It's a terrible thing when an organization like NFF boasts that Oliseh should have kept quiet because Amuneke was owed...because Siasia was owed. There is a controversial proposal I have to combat this...a proposal I fought against in the past but which I think offers the best way forward. Here is it: Let there be an agreement between NFF and the youth coaches that they have a certain percentage in the transfer fees of the players they select who eventually go on to be successful in the Youth tournament and get signed by overseas clubs. With this, they are incentivized not just to select the best players who will deliver, but also know that they have definite greater rewards if they sacrifice their time, labour and resources to make Nigeria great. The only snag is that after the tournament the coaches might want the players to move to the best clubs offering the most money and not necessarily the one that would provide the greatest opportunities for development. But to my mind, this is a small issue. The NFF, in the agreement, would have barred them from taking part in the transfer negotiations. Only their agents and the kids' parents, together with the guidance of NFF would be involved. At the end of the day, the coaches win no matter what happens, as long as they put in their best. This is my submission! No one likes to work in a place where salaries and allowances are not guaranteed[/b] |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 4:05pm On Feb 17, 2016 |
[b]WHY GOD IS SO DANGEROUS You may be familiar with the famous experiments Stanley Milgram conducted at Yale from 1961. In summary, Milgram enrolled subjects into an experiment and told them it was to understand how people learn. During the experiment a hidden, play-acting collaborator was asked questions by a supervisor dressed in a white lab coat and holding a clipboard. When the collaborator got an answer wrong, the subject was instructed to administer an electric shock. The voltage was increased in steps until it reached 450V. After each shock, the collaborator would scream in pain with apparent increasing agony as the voltage increased. At the highest voltages, the collaborator would bang on the wall separating him from the subject and plead for the experiment to be stopped. Eventually, the collaborator would make no sound after a high voltage shock but the subject would be asked to continue with higher voltages. All subjects, realising the collaborator's pain and distress asked the supervisor if they should stop. The supervisor would always, politely but firmly, instruct them to continue. Some subjects refused to continue and walked out. But 65% of subjects continued to the final 450V and the apparent demise of the collaborator. The experiment was repeated in different countries and with different groups of subjects. The results varied slightly but across all experiments, 61% of people continued to the bitter end. This experiment was a measure of how people respond to authority figures--in this case, the supervisor in the white lab coat. The subjects were under no duress--there was no punishment if they refused to continue. It was their conscience versus an authority figure. This made me think about another authority figure. If a grad student in a white coat was sufficient authority for more than half the subjects to inflict terrible pain on a subject, what would people do for God--their ultimate authority figure? This experiment dramatically shows why belief in God has the potential to be so dangerous. Not just the potential--we have seen it play out from the Crusades; the inquisition and slavery to the present day savagery of Islamic fundamentalists and much more. Of course, belief in a god could make people gentle, kind and decent and be a powerful force for peace in the world. A god who unequivocally preached in favour of love and kindness and against war and harming others could be a great benefit to us, whether it existed or not. But the god of Abraham is not that god. The god of Abraham is a jealous god who is quick to anger and deals out harsh punishments. A god who would have people brutally killed for trivial reasons and who is quite happy to punish the innocent for the crimes of the guilty. Given the way so many of us react to authority figures, I despair that we will ever have peace and harmony with the shadow of Abraham's god over us. We need a god who utterly condemns all harm, unfairness and ill treatment of fellow human beings or, better still, no gods at all. For we can all be like Milgram's subjects who said, "Enough is enough" and walked out the door.[/b] 6 Likes 3 Shares |
| Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 10:08pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
BascoVanVeli: You obviously couldn't comprehend my comment. It's allowed. 1 Like |
| Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 8:57pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
BascoVanVeli: Out of point! Endeavor to read any comment you are responding to. Saves you the trouble of regurgitating rhetoric. 1 Like |
| Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 7:14pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
BascoVanVeli:Fortunately for Kelechi, he has been shown to listen to his senior team mates. Toure, Sagna, Zabaleta, Aguero, Clichy, amongst a few. It is for this reason that Man City legend, Paul Dickov, predicts that Guardiola will love him. Hear him: "I think he could be a top, top player," he said. "The thing I like the most is the humility he's got. For a young kid coming through, he scored his hat trick against Villa and when you listen to his interviews after, or any interviews he's done, he's very mature for his age off the pitch and it also shows on the pitch. If you speak to people at the club they say he's a hard worker who wants to learn all the time and he's always asking questions. Pep will be watching Iheanacho and will be excited about the prospect of managing him" Can you see why I am confident he won't listen to those of you who think he should ignore the reasons the other players did not follow him to the other end of the field to celebrate? 1 Like |
| Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 6:48pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:It is with the overrated toga of patriotism that I see people defend Kelechi's action in Nigeria. I'm just happy that he won't be listening to them, else his career will be cut short. The players would just gang up against him and shut him out. You do not lift yourself above the good of the team. I'm very glad he won't attend to their poisonous support. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:05pm On Feb 15, 2016 |
I love the Naija brand of Christianity. God's blessings don't seem to last more than one week. Curses are however passed from generation to generation and demons are ancestral, stalking a man's descendants into eternity. Na wa 4 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 3:42pm On Feb 15, 2016*. Modified: 12:13pm On Apr 26, 2016 |
[b]JULIUS AGWU, HIS HEALING, AND HIS PRAISES Religion has damaged the Nigerian mind too deep than it can repair (not in the next 100 years). This I don't want to argue. This is not a hypothesis, it's reality. If you can't see it then you are deep in it. ... While working online, I stumbled on Julius Agwu's testimony at RCCG yesterday. Julius Agwu noticed that he was losing weight irrespective of what he eats. During a show he had seizures and was rushed to the hospital in Lagos. According to his testimony, the doctors found nothing and said he would die. It's a spiritual case, they echoed. Julius in his words said he invited several pastors who occasionally prescribed holy water and stuffs and demanded money to go and buy those items by themselves. However all was to no avail, until his wife suggested that they go to America. There in the land of the "free"and Common Sense, the doctors quickly did an MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) and it was found that he has three benign tumours in his head and the Neurosurgeons surgically removed those tumors. Now Julius is fine and taking his drugs. Julius came to Nigeria, a land full of illusions where the people are armed to constantly fight with the devil. He went to the church to give testimony of how the devil tormented him and how he was healed by God and he decided to open a "bible school". Julius also said he laid off his staffs who weren't born again (is that even legal?). .... Let's analyse a bit! The doctors in Nigeria either are not qualified to skip telling a patient with seizures, unexplained weight loss and headache to go and have an MRI or CT scan (this a medical sacrilege)... Or to be on the doctors side maybe there are no MRI and CT machines which I know can be scarce but not absent. For a doctor who in reality didn't do "everything" especially the very necessary things and said it's spiritual so the patient is going to die, such persons should never be allowed to possess a medical license not to mention touching patients. Spiritual- this is an escape phrase people use in Nigeria to justify anything including their laziness and ignorance. It's a typical phrase in Nollywood. After the Nollywood doctors prescribe blood tests and finish listening to your heart, the next thing is "we have done everything and we couldn't find anything, we suggest you go to the native doctor or a powerful pastor". JULIUS AGWU This gentleman who is from a very religious country with more churches than schools, laboratories and factories. In a country doctors diagnosis was spiritual attack. He is thankful that the supernatural healed him. Yes Neurosurgeons in a devilish country where homosexuality is legal and chances are that those surgeons are not religious. Pause for minute and think, did you realise that Julius's money saved him? If he wasn't rich enough to travel abroad for diagnosis and treatment he would have died and his death would have been called spiritual attack, yes the doctors said so. Do you know how many Nigerians have died in such manner? Do you know how many will still die in such manner? Julius again! He didn't advocate for better healthcare at home. He didn't try to sue those clowns. He didn't try to run a foundation to get people aware. Julius now loves God and has opened a bible school. Forgive me, but this guy wasn't operated nor diagnosed in a bible school. He wasn't healed or helped in those churches that are taking the glory. American doctors did it! Bible school will never diagnose your disease and will never wear gloves and hold scapel to cure you. Julius's mentality and the doctors mentality is one of the many things wrong with Nigerians. In the end religion wins! But you have an opportunity to be informed.[/b] 13 Likes 5 Shares |
| Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 11:46am On Feb 15, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:Then that would be a welcomed surprise and a great gift for the departing Engineer. 1 Like |
| Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 11:38am On Feb 15, 2016 |
shogz89:If he would celebrate that goal, he should have gone to Clichy who made such an excellent assist. I have not seen him celebrate with the assist guy before. I hope Toure teach him these simple things. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 11:36am On Feb 15, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:The interesting thing was that during the period he played for the EDS, anytime they were behind and he scored, he was very quick to pick the ball from the net for the restart. I think the occasion overwhelmed him this time around. He will learn. The league title looks over for City right now. 1 Like |
| Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 8:48am On Feb 15, 2016*. Modified: 9:59am On Feb 15, 2016 |
terzurum5:Make Henry go siddon somewhere. The same players that sang for him when he scored the hattrick! It was 15 minutes to the end of a crucial league-chasing match and you are behind, then a player scored an equalizer but instead of him to quickly take the ball and chase the winning goal, he ran off to the far end of the corner flag to celebrate. Well, you can't blame him too much, he is a kid. Henry is either drunk or just wants to say something because he is an analyst. Man City wanted to quickly restart the game to win the match. As soon as he scored, Aguero was seen carrying the ball to the centre-line for a quick restart. Even when Kompany went to Kelechi, it was to urge him to cut short the celebration. Zabaleta was heard shouting for Kelechi to come and restart the game. Anyone who understand the EPL would see that a win for Man City would have gotten them back in contention for the league title. City needed to win that match badly. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 3:02pm On Feb 13, 2016*. Modified: 11:43am On Feb 15, 2016 |
[b]THE CONSTANT SEARCH FOR EXTERNAL VALIDATION Adewale Ayuba is now the poster boy for converts to Christianity. If I got paid each time someone shares the video of his "testimony" with us online, I may well be on my way to buying Linda Ikeji's Banana Island house. Ayuba however, is not the subject of this rant. What puzzles me is why Naija-Christianity is in constant search of external validation that is of shallow merit and in most cases, dubious provenance. -Eagles that pluck out their feather - lies. -Einstein's religious beliefs - non existent. -Idahosa's blessings on Dangote - spin me another. -Steve Jobs' deathbed sermon - yeah right! The list is endless. A spiritual quest for God, should in itself be self-validating as you discover the essence of God's (inexistent) nature. If your God needs Albert Einstein to prop up your beliefs, build a shrine to Einstein. If your belief is hinged on fabricated totems, you are no worse than the idolaters you are quick to condemn. The more I search, the more I realise that our best constructs of God are poor works of anthropomorphism. He must of a necessity be a paradox, a Sovereign who is absolutely benign yet capable of extreme malevolence as required. He must be all-powerful, yet be all-relenting. In Him must be the sum of all cognitive abilities. He doesn't need your spun tales if he truly exists. Sit in the atheist camp if you know He doesn't exist. Sit in the "faith-ist" camp if you know He exists (though you can be sure that someone like me will ask questions of that). Squat with the agnostics if you know not one way or the other; or you are in transit. What you should not do is call yourself a Christian and concoct hare-brained stories that quite frankly are a nauseating distraction from any genuine quest for the God you worship.[/b] 5 Likes 2 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 3:53pm On Feb 12, 2016 |
holamiday:Yeah, so many people know that things do not add up but lack the boldness to confront them. I am however optimistic that the internet has provided a great avenue for young people to go in search of knowledge and arm themselves with the right information to debunk the myth held firmly by the past generation. While I do not agree totally with what you have written above, I salute your boldness and courage in seeking the truth. Not very many people have dared to sojourn on the road less travelled. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 8:55am On Feb 12, 2016 |
[b]TOP 12 WORST PREDICTIONS OF ALL TIME As an Entrepreneur, I find challenging the status quo very important. I would confess that it is not only as regards religion that we should challenge the modus operandi, but in our daily individual lives. As a country, the future is for the taking. There are opportunities all around us to take advantage of the myriads of opportunities available in a developing country as ours. To that end, I find the following interesting and it challenges me in a way I have not been challenged for a long while. It shows me that "this is the way we have always done things" is never a justifiable reason to resist change and development. “The Americans have need of the telephone, but we do not. We have plenty of messenger boys.” ~ William Preece, British Post Office (1876) “Fooling around with alternating current (AC) is just a waste of time. Nobody will use it, ever.” ~ Thomas Edison (1889) “The horse is here to stay but the automobile is only a novelty – a fad.” ~ President of the Michigan Savings Bank advising Henry Ford’s lawyer, Horace Rackham, not to invest in the Ford Motor Company (1903) "Talking films are a very interesting invention, but I do not believe they will remain long in fashion." ~ Louis-Jean Lumière, inventor of the cinematograph (1929) “I think there is a world market for maybe five computers.” ~ IBM president Thomas Watson (1943) “Television won’t be able to hold on to any market it captures after the first six months. People will soon get tired of staring at a plywood box every night.” ~ Darryl Zanuck, 20th Century Fox (1946) “There is practically no chance communications space satellites will be used to provide better telephone, telegraph, television or radio service inside the United States.” ~ T.A.M. Craven, Federal Communications Commission (1961) “Remote shopping, while entirely feasible, will flop.” ~ Time Magazine (1966) “Cellular phones will absolutely not replace local wire systems.” ~ Marty Cooper, pioneer of wireless communications (1981) “I predict the Internet will soon go spectacularly supernova and in 1996 catastrophically collapse.” ~ Robert Metcalfe, founder of 3Com in 1995 (Robert said he would eat his words if he was wrong. At a conference in 1997, he put his article in a food processor and ate/drank it). “There’s just not that many videos I want to watch.” ~ Steve Chen, Co-founder of YouTube expressing concerns about Youtube’s future when he started it in 2005. (It then went into hyper-drive and he sold it to Google in 2006 for $1.65 billion) “Everyone’s always asking me when Apple will come out with a cell phone. My answer is, ‘Probably never.’” ~ David Pogue, The New York Times in 2006. (The iPhone came out in 2007) The worst way to predict the future is to bet on the lack of change. The best way is to be the change. “The best way to predict the future is to create it.” ~ Peter Drucker[/b] 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Sports › Re: Flying Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (South Korea 2017) by joseph1013(op): 5:46pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
BlackAlbino6: https://www.nairaland.com/2723782/golden-eaglets-nigeria-thread-u-17 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 4:33pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
[b]ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION OF PEACE AND RADICAL ISLAMISTS ARE MUSLIMS Even today, people say Islam is a religion of peace. I have no doubt that Muslims can love peace and hate war and many do. But there are dozens of radical Islamic groups around the world who believe it is their religious duty to work towards a world that is wholly Muslim and who believe killing non-Muslims to further this aim is not a sin but an act of devotion to God. The truth is this, Islam is a socially backward religion that does not mandate democracy, freedom of speech, or fair treatment of women; female children; non-Muslims or gay people. Hundreds of millions of Muslims today agree with killing apostates, stoning non-virgin brides to death and punishing or killing homosexuals. Despite this, millions of Muslims read their scripture in a different way and believe Muslims should not do these things. Actually, there is little difference between Islam and Judaism or Christianity in these respects--all these religions have roots going back to the Iron Age. The difference is that the overwhelming majority of Jews and Christians reject the socially backward parts of their religion and embrace modernity. But fewer Muslims have taken the same step. And a scarily large number have embraced the violent, radical Islamic path. So what is be done? The first step is to recognise the problem; Islam is not a religion of peace and radical Islamists are Muslims. Above all, the Muslims who have embraced modernity must take this step, since they can influence Islam and we cannot. And they will have little effect for as long as they deny there is a problem. In this video, Sunni Mulsim Raheel Raza, tells it as it is. CAUTION This video contains footage that may shock or offend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSPvnFDDQHk[/b] 1 Like |
| Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 4:03pm On Feb 10, 2016 |
Icon4s:Such wonderful news. Congratulations. So happy for you! 2 Likes |
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