Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 8:25pm On Apr 10, 2016*. Modified: 8:57pm On Apr 25, 2016 |
HOW ISSUES IN NIGERIA ARE DEALT WITH
Issue: This fuel scarcity is really biting hard. What can be done about it?
Blockhead: god will see us through o!
Issue: The spate of kidnapping/armed robbery is getting out of hand.
Blockhead: may god touch the heart of the evil ones o!
Issue: The government doesn't seem to be getting it right.
Blockhead: god should please take control o!
Issue: Something must be done about the Fulani herdsmen killings.
Blockhead: god will save us from there hands IJN. Amen.
It really does piss me off that blockheads won't let one have rational discourse over temporal issues without endlessly distracting one with their delusions. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 8:04pm On Apr 10, 2016*. Modified: 3:32pm On Apr 11, 2016 |
People should stop saying death is not their portion in Jesus' name.
People die everyday. Muslims, Christians, Animalists, Hindus, Buddhists, Agnostics, Everybody.
So stop deceiving yourself by saying death isn't your portion. Death is our portion as long as we live. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:35am On Apr 10, 2016 |
NEWS: Pastor Adeboye leads VP Osinbajo, Nigerians in prayers against “Fuel Scarcity” +++++ LOL...Can he not just pray for everyone to have cars that run on empty tanks? |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:32pm On Apr 09, 2016 |
EVIDENCE OF GOD'S BLESSING
What are the evidence of God's blessings? Good spouse? Good job? Money? Adorable kids? Great and expensive accommodation? Nice cars? Education? Excellent grades? First class certificate?
These are the things propagated by Nigerian Pastors as evidence of God's grace and blessings. But then all around me, "unbelievers" actually enjoy all these and much more. What do I need God's grace for when I can get these things without it?
Something that supposedly comes from a "God" ought to be unique and should not be common among men. But it seems like Nigerian gods are actually competing with Nigerian politicians and "big men" for the wealth and success of life.
The truth is: The Nigerian Christian god and its blessings were created in the image of Nigerians and their desires. Gods ALWAYS behave like the people who created them! |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 8:39pm On Apr 08, 2016 |
[b]FIVE DAYS THAT UNRAVEL THE BIBLE
Let's for a moment assume that God is real and let's take the Genesis creation story at face-value. Many people believe that Moses was the author of the book of Genesis but I wonder where Moses got the story from?
Moses was a prophet who spoke directly to God. He was not alive at the time of the creation so he must have got the creation story from either God or part from God and part from the tales humans passed down from generation to generation. However, there is one part that no humans could have witnessed--the five frenetic days of creation before Adam was made. Only God could have told humans about those five days.
When we look at those five days we find they are wrong in every particular. The Earth was not made before our sun nor was it made before the stars, the star are not lights in a firmament; there is no firmament and there are no waters above it.
The day and night could not have been created before the sun since the sun, together with the rotation of the Earth, gives us day and night.
Life did not appear suddenly on the Earth over the course of a few days; several billion years passed between the earliest life forms and those we can see today.
The Genesis creation story is a comedy of errors and that allows us to draw a confident conclusion--Moses did not get the story from God. Which leaves only one possibility; the story came from the imaginations of men.
And that conclusion raises a further question, how much of the rest of Genesis came from the imaginations of men? And how much of the rest of the Bible?
Indeed, did God himself spring from the same creative well? [/b] |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 6:23pm On Apr 07, 2016 |
[b]Apostle Suleman's (AS) prophecy against El Rufai (ER) & the different scenarios ++++++++++ Scenario I: ER got slapped by his deputy. Of course, AS prophecy was about to come to pass. Afterall, being slapped is the first stage of dying.
Scenario II: ER died few days after the prophecy. Then AS is a true man of God (MOG). His word has come to pass.
Scenario III: ER is yet to die.
Possible answers 1. Well, AS is a true MOG; the prophecy is just not yet ripe for fulfillment
2. Well, AS is a true MOG: it's just that God is taking time to package ER's suffering so that when he releases it on him, it will be heavy before he dies.
3. Well, AS is a true MOG: it's just that God is waiting for ER to repent. God wants to give him some time to see whether he will repent. You know God doesn't like the death of a sinner but that the sinner should come to repentance.
4. Well, AS is a true MOG: it's just that ER has repented of his sins & God has forgiven him.
5. Well, AS is a true MOG and the prophecy has come to fulfillment already. Even though ER appears to be alive, he has died already. Spiritual death which is even worse than the physical death
6. Well, AS is a true MOG: he has withdrawn the curse from over ER's head & blessed him with a long life instead. It's just that he has not been captured on video withdrawing the curse.
Summary When it comes to superstitions, anything can be defended. Your ability to defend anything just depends on how irrational you want to be. All the answers are on ground, ready made. Just choose the one that suits your level of sincerity & you're done.
You remember he said if ER didn't die, he's not a true MOG? As you can see above, I've plotted the graph: no matter what happens, he will always be a true MOG. [/b] |
Politics › Re: Panama Papers Leaks: Nigerians 'praying' As The World Is Outraged by joseph1013: 5:43pm On Apr 07, 2016*. Modified: 6:02pm On Apr 07, 2016 |
SirShymexx: Anyone interested in seeing through the farce that these "Panama leaks" are about can read the article written about it by the former UK Ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, which I'll post on this thread. Also, with Nigeria, since most of the big players and most corrupt people are linked with US interests and Rockefeller foundation - I don't think they'll release their names. Saraki is a pawn on the chessboard, hence his name was published. Ibori is inconsequential. You can't do anything about the Coker guy cos he always declare his UK assets and that was what the "leaks" revealed. The fake dead, Alamaisagha's name was also cited on Guardian UK and you can't go after a man that's officially dead.
They'll most likely reveal the names of a few dissidents in the opposition or some minor folks as collateral damage, but I doubt they'll reveal any big names in Nigeria.
This is the article: This is very interesting. Some could counter though that this could be the work of Putin in his efforts to divert attentions. How do you respond?
Also, Dangote and Dantata are fingered in the release. Do you think they are minor folks? |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:52am On Apr 07, 2016 |
[b]THE BIBLE'S FINAL METAPHOR
Many parts of the world (but not all) are moving away from a literal interpretation of the Bible. The evidence that the Earth was not formed before the stars; the universe was not formed in a few days; and man did not suddenly pop into existence is so overwhelming, that you need a special kind of ignorance to believe the Biblical accounts.
But once you have taken that first step and accepted that the Bible is not literally true, it's easier to see that many parts of the Bible are not literally true. So, the talking snake story is a metaphor, the sun did not literally stop in the sky, Jesus did not literally mean hate your parents and your wife.
Taking out the indemonstrable, the disproved and the absurd, will surely make the Bible stronger and more suited to people in the age of science and reason. So, I urge you to go through your Bibles with a marker pen and highlight those parts that are literally unbelievable.
The more you think about it, the more you will delete. If you do this thoroughly, you will delete a great deal of the book.
When you put your pen down, if you see God has gone too--congratulations! You've deleted God, the Bible's final metaphor.[/b] |
Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 7:28am On Apr 06, 2016 |
I don't know if others think like me but I believe some of these arguments spice up the house. For someone like me who has become incredibly busy these days, it's good to get here and see 5 pages unread.
These threads always have a way of going back to normal regardless of the arguments. It's a plus. |
Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 6:46am On Apr 06, 2016 |
forgiveness: One out of 5
Suarez Eredivisie First season =37 matches = 15 goals Second season = 42 matches = 22 goals Third season = 43 matches = 28 goals
Premier league First season = 13 matches = 4 goals Second season = 39= matches = 17 goals Third season = 44 matches = 30 goals
Van Nisterooly Eredivisie First season =36 matches = 16 goals Second season = 46 matches = 38 goals Third season = 33 matches = 32 goals
Premier league First season = 49 matches = 36 goals Second season = 52 = matches = 44 goals Third season = 44 matches = 30 goals
Van Persie Eredivisie First season =17 matches = 0 goals Second season = 28 matches = 16 goals Third season = 33 matches = 6 goals
Premier league First season = 41 matches = 10 goals Second season = 38 = matches = 11 goals Third season = 31 matches = 13 goals
Dennis Bergkamp Eredivisie First season = 23 matches = 2 goals Second season = 32 matches = 6 goals Third season = 34 matches = 16 goals
Premier league First season = 41 matches = 16 goals Second season = 34 = matches = 14 goals Third season = 40 matches = 22 goals
Jimmy Hasselbaink Eerste divisie (second level of Dutch Football) Chai! First season = 4 matches = 0 goals Second season = 11 matches = 6 goals Third season = 26 matches = 2 goals
Premier league First season = 40 matches = 22 goals Second season = 44 = matches = 20 goals Third season = 41 matches = 26 goals
Eiður Smári Guðjohnsen Eredivisie First season = 15matches = 3 goals Second season = 0 matches = 0 goals Third season = 43 matches = 28 goals
Premier league First season = 36 matches = 13 goals Second season = 47 = matches = 23 goals Third season = 44 matches = 10 goals
Dirk Kuyt Eredivisie First season =30 matches = 6 goals Second season = 36 matches = 10 goals Third season = 37 matches = 16 goals
Premier league First season = 48 matches = 14 goals Second season = 44 = matches = 11 goals Third season = 51 matches = 15 goals
Time will not permit me to list all the players who played in the Eredivisie before coming to become super stars with with their ease at scoring goals in the Premier League
As you can see, statistics doesn't lie. 
Now, list the ones(10) players from the Eredivisie that found it difficult to score goals in the EPL . Knock-Out. Badt guy! 
But it's not true that the Dutch league is more competitive than EPL. And you know it!
Chai...but the way you capitalized on his anecdotal stats is classic. You're such an evil man! |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:45pm On Apr 04, 2016*. Modified: 6:50am On Apr 05, 2016 |
[b] EL-RUFAI's ANTI-PREACHING BILL
This is gonna be a very long read.
I am no fan of Nigerian politicians, that most people around me know. With all the campaigns I did for Buhari in my personal capacity, he has turned out to be a total disappointment. He's not just bereft of ideas as regards the economy, he consciously looks to spurn good advice (a good example is the devaluation of the naira). I really could create a thread like this about the economy of Nigeria.
But hey, this is not about Buhari and his woes. This is about Nasir El-Rufai. As an eclectic reader, he was brought to my attention when I stumbled on the book, The Accidental Public Servant, while trying to get a bus to travel at Pleateau Riders in Jos to Ilorin in 2013 in a particular year I made sure I toured the country in my love for adventure.
Reading the book exposed me to him as a courageous fellow who truly seeks to do more than the average Nigerian politician (even though they are still all thieves). Since then I have followed him closely. He's possibly the least evil of all politicians in Nigeria today.
Recently, there has been alot of uproar over his recent bill to crack down on those useless public preachings that I have since dedicated my time to here. So many have called for his head. In fact there is a certain charlattan called Apostle Suleiman who predicts he will die. Imagine!
I stumbled on a link to the Sunday Punch where El Rufai granted an interview to discuss this matter. I give you excerpts of the comments that really interested me: [/b] Interviewer: How has it been since you assumed office?
El Rufai: I want to say it has been an interesting and successful journey and we are grateful...I never expected that running a state would be very different from being a federal minister. I thought that running a state would be the same as running the Federal Capital Territory but I was wrong on that. I have seen that things are quite different and more complex.
In the first month we got here, we got about N5bn from Federal Allocation but in the last two months, we got N2.8bn each. Thus, even from the time we started to now, there have been massive changes, but we are taking steps. We knew that all things are scanty and we need to do some things. That is why, from day one, the deputy governor and I have decided to give 50 per cent of our salaries as our contribution because we are going to ask public servants to make similar sacrifice.
We also reduced the size of government; the number of commissioners has been reduced from 24 to 13. It was all in an effort to cut cost. We inherited 38 Permanent Secretaries, but now we are operating with about 18 of them. We are looking at Ministries, Departments and Agencies that have similar functions and merging them just to cut cost. This is because if your revenues are collapsing, you need to cut your cost. We are reducing the length of convoys; the governor’s convoy had 21 vehicles, but now, we only have five or six cars that go out with me and they are all essential.
Interviewer: How do issues get political and ethnic colouration in your state?
El Rufai: This is something I find both disturbing and disappointing. In any argument and situation, if you have your facts and you are right, you don’t need to refer to religion. Religion doesn’t win arguments for you. What I have found in life is that the moment a person introduces religion in any situation, I know they are wrong because if you are right, have facts and can justify your position, why bring God into it? God will judge us on the day of judgment. People only revert to religion and ethnicity when they have run out of convincing arguments.
What I find in Kaduna State is that people can bring religion into everything. I think more than any state in Nigeria, Kaduna state has suffered more in terms of religious and ethnic divisions and that should be a lesson for us but what I found out is that the elite have one weapon and that is religion and it is sad. But, unfortunately for them they have not studied me. If anyone has studied my career at the FCT, they would know that playing the religious card with me will fail all the time, because the moment you play that card, I know you are an adversary that needs to be put down and I will not look back until I am done with you.
Interviewer: One of your policies that has generated a lot of controversy is the religious preaching bill. What does the government want to achieve when it becomes law and how are you going to tackle the anxiety that it has generated among the people?
El Rufai: Kaduna State, more than any state in Nigeria, if you take out the Yobe, Borno and Adamawa axis, which suffered from Boko Haram insurgency, has suffered the most from death and destruction of property due to misuse and abuse of religion. More people have been killed in Kaduna from the words that people have said. And if you go back in history to when the Maitasine incident happened; he was a Cameroonian that came to Nigeria and started preaching. The Emir of Kano had him deported back to Cameroon. After that, he managed to smuggle himself back again and continued preaching.
He was preaching a version of Islam that was intolerant, a version that called other Muslims pagans and so on. But in spite of what he was preaching, he acquired followers and we all know what happened. Military operation had to be mounted to flush them out. Those that escaped from the Maitasine crisis moved to Borno State and started the Kalakato sect, which again led to many deaths and destruction in the early 1990s.
All these came from people that were not trained in religious matters, people that woke up and started preaching and acquiring followers and inevitably their sects grew in large numbers to threaten communities and there were clashes.
That was also how Muhammed Yusuf started. He was a student of Sheik Jaafar Adam in Kano. They fell out because Jaafar felt that some of the views he was expressing were extreme and intolerant. He went and started his own sect and we all know what happened and we are still dealing with it.
Thus, when you have such things happening in your country, I think as leaders, we have to sit down and examine ourselves and the society and see what we can do to prevent it.
In my opinion, it is the lack of regulation of religion that led to all these circles of death and destruction. Just recently, we had the Shi’ite problem in Zaria, following a similar pattern.
I believe that before you start preaching in any religion, you should have gone through a system of education, training and some kind of certification. Even those that deal with the physical life get certified, let alone those that deal with the spiritual life. We initiated this bill from the Kaduna State Security Council, based on reports of new sects emerging in Kaduna State.
Interviewer: Are there recent cases?
El Rufai: There is one around Makarfi called Gausiyya, they do their Zuhr prayer around 11am, different from other Muslims. This is how this thing starts and if you don’t resolve it quickly, it grows into something else.
A woman in Makarfi said Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was speaking to her and sick people started going to her for their healing. The husband of this woman was busy collecting N1,000 as consultancy fee before people could see his wife. We had to take steps to end that movement because before you know it, people would start coming from far and wide and this woman would become our next problem.
It was the report of two or three of these that compelled us in the security council to ask the question, whether or not there was a law that regulates preaching. Then we were told there was a law; since 1984 after the Maitasine problems, the administration passed the law. It was subsequently amended several times to increase the fine and the imprisonment term. This is a living problem and we know it. Christian priests, the ones I know, go to seminary and spend so many years there, study under a more experienced Reverend to learn what to say and what not to say.
Interviewer: What about freedom of religion?
El Rufai: Some people have argued that there is freedom of religion, of course; Section 38 is very clear: We must not have a state religion, every Nigerian is allowed to practise their faith or even if they do not have any religion at all. However, those that are quoting Section 38 of the constitution conveniently forget Section 45 which says that you can regulate any human right if it would affect the right of others. You can practise your religion but you can’t do it in a way that abuses the right of another.
There is nothing in this law that is not in conformity with the constitution, or there is nothing new about it other than expanding the scope and after we sent the bill to the House of Assembly, I saw an article that alerted us of what we did not include: Blocking of federal highways, but that is in the Penal Code. It is good to have put it there because every Friday you see most mosques blocking roads. Why? We had to call them to a meeting to have a system that police would be there to guard and also control the traffic.
In my opinion, this is a law that we need not only in Kaduna State but almost all states in Nigeria and I want to assure you that, I just came back from the National Economic Council meeting, and a handful of the governors asked me to send them our own law because they thought they also needed it in their state. Everybody is watching to see how we will handle our own.
We sent it to the state assembly in October 2015 because some people are saying we sent it because of the Shi’ite problem. No! It was the state assembly that kept on looking at it and saying this one ‘na hot potato’ until now. But, on a very serious note, we don’t have any ulterior motive other than to put a framework that would ensure that Kaduna State people live in peace with everyone practising their religion and disallowing every Tom, Dick and Harry to come and say he can preach.
Interviewer: What is your take on the assumption by some in the state that hold that the bill is aimed at stopping the practice of Christianity and Islam in the state?
El Rufai: I have not seen anyone talking about Islam actually. Most of the people that say I would die, as if I would not die, are people who call themselves Christian clergy. Of course, I will die. If that apostle is truly an apostle, he should mention the day I will die. There is nothing in that law that prevents or infringes the practice of religion. It seeks to ensure that those that preach religion are qualified, trained and certified by their peers to do it.
And some sections of the media have made it as if the law was drafted against Christianity. It is most irresponsible and I have nothing to say except to leave the matter to God. Full Interview: http://www.punchng.com/the-apostle-that-said-i-will-die-should-mention-the-date-el-rufai/
Enough said! Thanks for reading till the end. If you are interested in looking at the bill itself, go here: http://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2016/04/03/kaduna-el-rufais-controversial-religious-bill/
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Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 7:54am On Apr 04, 2016 |
forgiveness: After painstackinly selecting the Defenders and midfielders. I will now proceed to selecting the attackers
1) Isaac Success; This is the second season of the Granada star in the Spanish laliga and he has not disappointed with 5 goals and 1 assist this season. Success will be joining Watford FC for the start of the 2016/17 season. He can play anywhere across the front line. He is 20 years old.
2) Kelechi Iheanacho; This is his first season in professional club football. However, he proved his worth when giving the chance to play. He has 9 goals and some assist to his credit. Plays as a RW, Second striker and Striker. He is 19 years old.
3) Moses Simon; He was a revelation last season with Genk who he helped to win the league for the first time in their history. These season he has garnered more experience by playing and scoring in the Champions League. No doubt, he deserves to make the list. Primarily plays as a left winger, and can as well play as a Striker or second striker. He will be 21 years of age this year.
4) Ezekiel Imoh; Ezekiel Imoh wealth of experience can't be dismissed. Having scored 47 goals in the last 4 seasons in one of the Top 10 European leagues in the world and even went to score in the Europa League this season. He can play as a Striker, Rw and second striker. He is 22 years of age
5) Dominic Solanke; He came to limelight last season with the Chelsea youth team when he helped them to win the FA Youth Cup and UEFA youth league. He even became the top scorer of the UEFA youth league tournament with 12 goals, and because of these, Chelsea rewarded him by promoting him to the first team at the age of 17 and later featured him in last year UEFA Champions League last season making him the youngest debutant for Chelsea in the UEFA Champions League. In his first season in the Eredivisie, he scored 7 goals even though he was out due to injury for 3 month. Although Solanke prefers playing as a striker, he can also play as a winger on either side and as an attacking midfielder. He is only, 18 years old.
Final list
Goalkeepers Emmanuel Daniel Dele Alampasu
Defenders Leon Balogun Kenneth Omerue Moses Odubanjo William Troost-Ekong (Ndidi or Awaziem) Kingsley Madu Stanley Amuzie (Ekpolo Elohor or Musa Mohammed)
Midfielders Ogenyi-onazi Abdul Ajagun Alex Iwobi Azubuike Okechukwu Etebor Ogehnekaro
Attackers Isaac Success Kelechi Iheanach Moses Simon Ezekiel Imoh Dominic Solanke Better than most List.
Defence: I'm gonnna remove Ekong and add Awaziem. Remove Amuzie and add Ekpolo based on potential.
Midfield: I will throw Ajagun out and add Ndidi. Remove Onazi and add Mikel.
Attack: I will remove Solanke and add Victor Moses. Who says we need Ighalo?
Siasia will disappoint alot of people here. He already has his list. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 11:10pm On Apr 03, 2016*. Modified: 7:44am On Apr 04, 2016 |
[b]THE DEAFNESS OF THE FOREIGN GODS
When our forefathers prayed to Amadhioa they didn't need to shout on top of their voices to be heard. They did not need huge 1000 decibel speakers to commune with our gods... They spoke in measured tone, with decorum as wise men to wise gods.
But these foreign gods are so hard of hearing that their worshipers have to shout on top of their voices before they can be heard.
This is why every morning and night, you are rudely woken up from sleep by chants of “Allahu Akbar” and "Ni Oruko Jesu” “Take it, if you believe it, shout a big Amen!!!” “receive it!!!!” “If you believe it shout a bigger amen!!!! And in their throngs, the people releases thunderous bellows in deference to their pastors and Imams.
Truth be told, if we lived in sane society most Nigerian Pastors will be serving short jail term or performing community service for noise pollution.. The noise pollution in this country will drive folks mad if it's not doing that already.
Noise everywhere! Politicians sirens, religious chants, noise from gigantic generators, the incessant and unrelenting honks from deranged drivers and the noise from the kiosk of the poor itinerant Music CD seller…..
Naija is just a noisy jungle! [/b] |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:57am On Apr 01, 2016 |
[b]THE WORLD'S WORST ARGUMENT FOR GOD?
So I was in the Religion section yesterday looking round at topics and posts and found so many flawed logic. I picked one that seems to me to be the worst argument for God but which most god-believers think is the best.
Allow me to give you the ridiculous argument.
ARGUMENT 1 P1) The universe exists. P2) A universe could not create itself. P3) Something enormously powerful outside of the universe must have made it. Therefore C1) Superman exists.
If you doubt this, there is evidence. Superman is enormously powerful and his story is recounted in over 12,000 editions of Action Comics starting from 1938.
It's not hard to see this logic is barking mad is it? But what about this version with the exact same logic?
ARGUMENT 2 P1) The universe exists. P2) A universe could not create itself. P3) Something enormously powerful outside of the universe must have made it. Therefore C1) Yahweh exists.
If you doubt this, there is evidence. Yahweh is enormously powerful and his story is recounted in 39 books written over a period of almost 1,000 years from about 3,500 years ago.
This argument is equally barking mad but is used by millions of people.
There are multiple problems with this argument but, I want to focus on just one. Both arguments pluck a character out of thin air and claim he created the universe. Nothing in the premises of this argument leads us to the agent said to be responsible.
The premises do not show that Superman or Yahweh even exist--obviously if they do not exist, they could not have created the universe. It does not matter that the authors of the Bible said Yahweh did it--they may have made that up. We have no way of knowing. Nor does it matter that the authors of Action Comics did not mention that Superman did it. They may have omitted it for reasons we do not know.
These are circular arguments. They start by assuming a particular agent exists and then plug that agent in at the end. Hey Akin, you've proved your favourite agent exists! Except you haven't. You've just committed a logical fallacy.
The argument could be improved in this way...
ARGUMENT 3 P1) The universe exists. P2) A universe could not create itself. P3) Something enormously powerful outside of the universe must have made it. Therefore C1) We need to figure out what that was.
This is better but still has premises that we cannot be sure are true... But we'll leave that for now. My best advice is don't go near this argument--it stinks!
PS Please don't complain I have not used the strongest version of this argument; I know. I simplified it for brevity. I only wanted to explain circularity which the stronger versions also suffer from.[/b] |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:48am On Apr 01, 2016 |
The above sounds like goodnews but NFF will scuttle the deal sooner than later because they will owe him salaries and he will run away. |
Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:19pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
LOL. thegoodjoe and forgiveness are a match made in heaven. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:09pm On Mar 31, 2016*. Modified: 8:26pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
[b]CHRISTIANITY'S DIRTY SECRET
Even before children begin school, parents involve their children in religious rituals and teach them religious stories. As they grow up, children are told how important it is to BELIEVE these stories and to revere the book in which they are found.
If children question or, doubt, any of these stories, they will be warned not to think such things--questioning incurs parental disapproval. Young children may even be threatened with torture if they don't believe...
The problem is, if you want people to believe things that are fully ridiculous and with no evidence, you have to teach them young and teach them repeatedly and emphatically. That is why all religions share this same dirty secret.
There is a word for this process--it's called indoctrination.
Parents teach this stuff whilst they are still primary influencers and before children figure out that some things are true and some are false and learn how to distinguish between them. There is a window of opportunity with children--miss it and you may never get them to believe ridiculous things.
We know this process works because we see children raised as Christians becoming life-long Christians, children raised as Hindus becoming life-long Hindus, children raised as Muslims becoming life-long Muslims and so on. These religions cannot all be true so it is a mathematical certainty that the majority of parents (and, possibly all religious parents) teach their children ridiculous lies which affect them for their entire lives. That's the reason you see very intelligent adults...very knowlegeable adults...very brilliant adults violently believe in a flying donkey, a talking snake and a virgin who gave birth. They just can't help it!
Of course, these parents were mistreated in the same way, so we have a vicious circle that teaches children ridiculous lies generation-after-generation. We need a generation of responsible parents to stop this process, and break the circle--parents who will give children a chance to grow up and think for themselves.
What will you do?[/b] |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 11:02am On Mar 31, 2016 |
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO GO TO HEAVEN?
There are only two possibilities: either heaven has technology or it doesn't. If it doesn't, it will be like going back to the 1950s or earlier. Who would want to do that? No mobile phones, no Internet, no Google, no computers, no portable recorded music, no Facebook... This would not be heaven--it would be hell.
But we don't have to speculate; we have evidence. If heaven had technology, we would be receiving WhatsApp messages from our deceased loved ones by now. But we don't. We get nothing!
And there's something else. After careful study, I can now announce the Bible does not mention Instagram, Facebook or Playstation anywhere. Not once. Heaven is a technology desert!
They can stick their rivers of milk and honey where the sun doesn't shine! I'm out! (Not that I have ever been in, anyway.) |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:56am On Mar 31, 2016*. Modified: 6:47pm On Mar 31, 2016 |
stephenmorris: one of the issues I'm having now is massive criticism for abandoning my Christian faith, I'm told atheism is nothing and In Nigeria you must believe in something ,but one thing is certain I have gone too far to be a Christian anymore . In Papua New Guinea, they had a culture of relatives consuming the bodies of the deceased to return the "life force" of the deceased to the hamlet. Those that refused to do that were ostracized and declared outcast. In their tradition, you must not just believe in it, you must actively take part in it.
The reason for this narration is simple: those who stray away from popular opinions have always encountered violent opposition.
A word of caution too: Those who are in the early stages of questioning religion often fall to the myth of thinking that atheists must be good people. That's a false premise. Lack of religious affiliation does not confer goodness just as religious affiliation does not confer goodness.
Each man must run his own race... |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:02pm On Mar 30, 2016 |
[b]LET ME ARGUE WITH GOD
I've been arguing with god-believers for a while now and I'm tired of it. All I get is the dreary repetition of fallacious arguments that were thoroughly rebutted decades or even centuries ago. Why bad arguments are persuasive to believers, I don't know, but they are. I don't learn anything from bad arguments and they don't get better if you keep repeating them.
So I won't argue with humans any more. However, if you are convinced you have a responsive relationship with God, ask him how to convince me. Get your arguments from the highest authority. Then share God's own arguments and evidence with me. Let me argue with God.
If God is real, you will come back with ingenious and subtle arguments that are non-fallacious and unanswerable. I will learn something amazing and so will hundreds of others.
But, even if you come back with the same dull and broken arguments as everyone else, I will still have learned something--I will have learned you don't talk to God, you talk to yourself.[/b] |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:11am On Mar 30, 2016 |
[b]BALANCING GOOD AND EVIL
When I say, "the Abrahamic religions have a terrible and bloody history; it's time they were gone", you can be sure a believer will complain that I am being one-sided. They'll tell me not to ignore the good religions do and they'll point to schools and hospitals funded by religions or outreach work to feed the homeless.
Surely, this is grievously mistaken thinking. The bloody history of these religions includes the murder of millions in wars such as the crusades, the Islamic wars of conquest and inter-religious conflicts; tens of thousands tortured, burnt at the stake or killed in other horrific ways for alleged witchcraft, sorcery, heresy, blasphemy or apostasy. And killing is not confined to the history books--executions, murder and terrorism in the name of religion continue to this day around the world.
Balancing this appalling carnage with feeding the homeless is a bit like asking us not to be too hard on the Notorious Nigerian Robber, Shina Rambo because he helped his helpless elderly neighbour by feeding him pap every morning.
And don't say these deed were done by evil men, not by God. Read the Bible--God caused more deaths than all the world's worst monsters combined. These evil men were emulating their god.
There are no excuses for the violent and murderous history of the Abrahamic religions and anyone who supports them should feel not virtue, but shame.[/b] |
Sports › Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by joseph1013: 9:36pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
adeyemi2015: On point! We shouldn't be promoting neo-colonialism. Are we saying Foreign (White) Coaches are better than the indigenous (Black) Coaches?! Keshi (Indigenous Coach) defeated many Nations that paraded foreign Coaches to win the Nations Cup! Neocolonialism is Hector Cuper, an Italian, coaching Egypt to the Nation's Cup?
What about Bernd Storck, a German, coaching HUngary?
What about Vladimir Petković, from Bosnia, coaching Switzerland?
What about Marcel Koller, from Switzerland, coaching Austria?
Let's stop deceiving ourselves, desperate times call for desperate actions. |
Sports › Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by joseph1013: 9:21pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:
I already highlighted why that was not a good idea. Saying foreign coaches will do better is what I am pointing out. Over the past, they did the same thing.
I bet, most foreign coaches will pick Ighalo because of his reputation. You are seeing Pellegrini repeatedly picking up Bony over Iheanacho, when it is clear Iheanacho offers more goal threats, Lethal Shot Power and makes Aguero play Better. If it was a Nigerian coach at Man City, he would not even promote Kelechi to the first team. At least Manuel promoted him from the U-18. Did you see what Hector Cuper did at Egypt. He selected on merit and used his best players. ElNeny that is Iwobi's teammate played, Iwobi was not good enough.
Foreign coaches are better, abeg. |
Sports › Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by joseph1013: 9:11pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
TheGoodJoe:
Go and check Berti Vogtz line up, you will know our problem is being foriegn coaches.
Against Benin Republic, if I am correct of the team, Yakubu kept on missing chances repeatedly. He missed three sitters and Vogtz left him on.
During the game, Martins went to Kanu, the camera covered it and begged Kanu to talk to Vogtz.
The man refused. Anyone with head knew it was time to let Yakubu bench but they refused.
Remember the famous Yak Attack miss. That was hoe bad Yakubu reached but they left Martins out and played Yakubu until he missed that goal before they knew it was over for him. That was a foreign coach, Lars Lagerback. Okay 2 Foreign coaches who messed up vs 4 Indigenous coaches who messed up. Tell me something else...
What was Aminu doing on that field today, tell me. Iwobi is good enough to start against Barcelona, but not good enough for Egypt. Iheanacho rattled the bar in the first leg but was not even qualified to warm up today. Is that merit? |
Sports › Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by joseph1013: 8:39pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
There is absolutely no way you will look at this episode and Oliseh will not part of the blame. It was a disaster! |
Sports › Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by joseph1013: 8:31pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
Reference: What is it with Kelechi Iheanacho that Nigerian coaches hate him this much. Keshi never gave him a look even when drowning. He was taken to the U20's World Cup. Benched almost throughout for less quality. He produced virtually the only shot on target in Kaduna resulting in the only goal of the episode and his reward, bench. Keshi refused to use him.
Manu Garba refused to use him
Oliseh barely used him.
Siasia still benched him after a better-than-most first leg.
When we say foreign coaches are more merit-conscious, they tell us we hate Nigerian coaches. |
Sports › Re: Super Eagles Of Nigeria Thread: 2017 AFCON Qualifiers. by joseph1013: 12:32pm On Mar 29, 2016 |
Equalizer: Please how do I get out of the mess.. I don't visit sport forum but anytime they equalize any goal anywhere in the world, I do get a notification that I've been mention on a post.. How can I put an end to this? LMAO |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:36am On Mar 29, 2016 |
Olajide Abiola 19 hrs ·
The truth cannot be inherited, it can only be discovered and experienced.
This is why those who proclaim and promote their 'religion' as the true and right one don't know how really laughable they sound to simple logic and reasoning.
How do you brag about a belief system you inherited through familial indoctrination?
If you had been born into a different religious belief system different from the one you inherited and practising now, would you have been open minded and courageous enough to explore and accept it? I bet the answer will be a NO! For majority of religious people. In fact, I hold out that over 92% of monotheists practice the 'religion' of their familial inheritance and not one of their own discovery and conviction.
So why the intolerance? Why the hate? Why the pride of religious superiority? Why the violent and desperate attempt at imposing inherited ideologies and beliefs on others? Why do people think they can defend the bruised ego or stained holiness of their respective 'Gods'? Why not let the beauty of your faith shine forth in the fruits of your deeds and actions, drawing people near out of admiration?
Beyond explaining my faith as succinctly as possible only to the one interested, I am neither obliged to fight on behalf of any God, nor forcefully promote adherence, believe, faith and obedience of others to any supreme being whatsoever.
Finally, 'God' cannot possibly be the supreme and almighty being most religious people proclaim Him to be if they even have to despise those who blashpheme or abuse their 'God'. If God cannot punish those who offend Him Himself, then He shouldn't be God. If I have to fight on behalf or avenge a Supreme being, then I should be the 'God', not the other way round.
Even the mere thought of wishing ill towards another because they do not believe as you do is as EVIL as harming or killing.
If you kill them, how do you convert them? If you forcefully convert them, then your 'God' cannot judge them because their belief was exacted and not willful. If you kill them, then you cannot proclaim your 'God' to be just and the true judge of all men. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 6:26pm On Mar 27, 2016 |
FAITH IS TOXIC
Faith itself is toxic. It treats the idea of believing things without evidence as a virtue.
Consider these three facts (with a little help from Hitch):
1. There isn't a single good or moral thing done by a believer that cannot be done, or has not been done, by non-believers.
2. On the other hand, there are hundreds of immoral actions believers do as a direct result of their faith that non-believers won't.
3. All bad things done by non-believers can be (and have been) done by believers as well.
Logically, this means faith is at the very least, unnecessary, and at most, a net negative for humanity.
We're not going to get rid of it anytime soon, but I think reasonable people should stop glamorizing it as some kind of virtue.
It's not. 99% of people wouldn't be subscribing to the faith they have if they hadn't been born in the family they were born in. That is simply undeniable. |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 2:31pm On Mar 27, 2016 |
HAPPY EASTER
These people sef. On Friday, they said he DIED for and because of my sins.... Today he is risen and gone back to his daddy. So whats the fuss about him dying because of my sins? When he could not endure death for three days? He went to Hades for only three days and ran back to his daddy and you still insist he died for me? He did not!
The story of Easter would have made a lot more sense if Jesus STAYED DEAD! This is what sacrifice means. You give up something forever....
God did not sacrifice nor give up his only begotten son for me..... they only endured three days of separation.
Truth is, the blood of the goat sacrificed at Amahioha's shrine is more powerful and washes away more sins than the blood of a Jesus Christ who could not stay dead....
Happy Easter! |
Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 11:05pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
TheSuperNerd: I believe eventually Dominic Iorfa Jnr will don Nigeria's colors at the senior level.
He's really another Right-back talent option I'm really looking at for the future.
His father, Dominic Iorfa Snr, once said that he wants his son to keep developing in the English system being exposed to more matches as the English U-21s play regular friendlies and competitive qualifying matches.
He says once his son is ready and reaches age 21/22, he will likely switch allegiance to Nigeria. Well, time will tell.... The English media are currently mourning losing Iwobi. Almost every where I go on the internet for the english sites, I read analyses and views of various English journalists and sportswriters condemning their F.A for not being proactive early enough to have spotted Iwobi. They complained that England stopped extending invitations to Iwobi after he featured at U-16, U-17, and U-18 levels. He never featured for their U-19s not to mention their U-21s.
Well, england should shut it. When they lured Dele Alli, didn't they know he was Nigerian too? Anyway, Alli wanted to play for England sef, so no biggie.
We have Iwobi, following in Victor Moses' footsteps in this case. Hopefully, a couple of others will follow suit... Even Balogun chose Nigeria over waiting for a Germany call-up.
Let England mourn all they want....
Next targets: -Ola Aina (Chelsea FC) -Tosin Adarabioyo (Manchester City FC) -and a couple of others. Not all Anglo-Nigerians or foreign-bred with Nigerian blood will choose us eventually AND not all of them are even Super Eagles materials. #fact Nigeria can't invite or lure them all... We'll just do the best we can. But we have our central bed and limitless channel-source of super talents (One of the reasons why Nigeria can never be down in football fortunes for so long or run dry of top players). Wisdom, brother! |
Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:58pm On Mar 26, 2016 |
^^^Disciple of Jesus but not a Christian! LOL.
Nothing you no go see for Nairaland. |