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TheGoodJoe:
Loud and Clear, the player will not play to his normal level. He would not perform the way he performs. Because performing poorly is not the same as drop in form.

If Messi, goes from winning the Ballon D'or regularly to not winning it at all due to change in set up, he is not performing poorly to his standards but performing Normal.

LOL. Give me a break.

I have had alot of fun today.

Something in me just hates generalizations. It's like saying all Muslims MUST be Terrorists. Or all Yoruba girls MUST be dirty. Or all Igbo men MUST be involved in domestic abuse.

It's very wrong! It irks!

Thanks for a great laugh.

TheGoodJoe:
Okay attacking players performances must drop. Have I solved your problem.

You now agree that a drop in performance is not always synonymous with a Poor performance?

Say it! Make it loud and clear

forgiveness:
I thought I have already answered your question on that.

Attacking players can either strive or not depending on the team setup. In this case, I think the coach only came with a more rigid defensive formation than the usual defensive/counter attack formation and apart from that Aluko was just coming back from long injury.

I think the coach should have allowed them play their usual 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 formation.

TheGoodJoe:
It is the same thing. That is why you refused to answer. The set up will stop the best player in the history of Club football from performing to his normal level. That is not performing better but poorly.

Normal is the same as Poor?

TheGoodJoe:
My Lawd. I did not expect you to do it.

forgiveness:
OK, let's say as an attacking midfielder.

TheGoodJoe:
As I said, You can not answer yes or no because you are just dribbling around a point. If you are not joking, answer attack or defence. Because that does not look like a yes or no.

TheGoodJoe:
Which recount? You can not answer one question and you are saying recount.

If you put Messi in a parked bus team, will he win World Best? Answer this question and you will know if I am recounting or not.

You will not answer because you will run from the truth.

If you put Messi in a parked bus team, will he win World Best? Answer this question and you will know if I am recounting or not.

forgiveness:
very funny.

OK, let me say it this way, 'the dude was kept quiet because the coach underused him'.

Whose fault was that?

TheGoodJoe:
That is your problem. For real. The attacking players are set up to play badly because the defensive set up favors the defence. That is not difficult to understand.

TheGoodJoe:
And you expect him to outclass one of the best defenders in the EPL, if not the best with little support.

TheGoodJoe:
My point all along was as Long as the Coach set the team up to defend, blasting Aluko and Akpom for poor performances is ridiculous.

Is there any erroneous point you want to correct?

forgiveness:
This is what Hull City had to say about Aluko match rating.

Sone Aluko: On a ground when he once impressed in the Premier League, the underused forward caused problems for the home team. A shot straight at Caballero almost brought the visitors an equaliser on the break. 6

Read more: http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-City-player-ratings-rose-task-Manchester/story-28278586-detail/story.

TheGoodJoe:
Because if you dispossess Lampard a hundred times and Drogba a hundred times, and they score one goal, they take the glory. You suppose to know this.

Answer in a defensive set up, which side of the team does the set up favors. Answer the question and get my point.

TheGoodJoe:
Because if you dispossess Lampard a hundred times and Drogba a hundred times, and they score one goal, they take the glory. You suppose to know this.

Answer in a defensive set up, which side of the team does the set up favors. Answer the question and get my point.

forgiveness:
@embolded was exactly what Aluko played on that day, he played behind the main Striker.

TheGoodJoe:
Please read what I said I am tired of repeating my self. Did you see me write about Drogba and Ibrahimovic, were they defenders?

TheGoodJoe:
That is why I said you are not understanding me. A team set up to defend, is set up for the defense to shine. There is no way in Barca's formation Pique can be the best player of the season. The team is set up to attack. The attackers take the glory.

In that attacking Set Up, you need extraordinary defenders like Masherano and Pique. Sometimes you see Pique performing poorly and people criticising him. It is the set up and pressure.

In a defensive set up, like Mourinho's early days at Chelsea and Inter, we had Super men, like Drogba and Ibrahimovic, where you lob the ball to them and they do wonders.

That does not mean if they play badly in those games, you blast them. The philosophy put them in a very tough situation. Performing well is difficult.

TheGoodJoe:
Ala Park Bus. But Aluko's role is more like a creative role like Iheanacho's role in the Crystal Palace game. He has a job of dropping behind Akpom and play as a playmaker.

That is why it is Park bus.

Back to the debate. When Steve Bruce set them up this way, most of the players are behind the ball and when City are to win the ball back, it is mostly from the attacking players.

If City dominates, it is from the attack they will win the ball. This is not from the game but from the philosophy of the set up.

So blasting Aluko and Akpom by the Hull Fans was wrong. It was a defensive set up.

TheGoodJoe:
They must not but most times, the set up will not favor them. Bring Messi, Park bus with all nine players and put Messi up top.

He will not win World best. Messi's best comes from working with players set up offensively.