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jln115:
uhm no...............Socialism requires democratic control, the reason why democratic capitalist countries stay away from socialism is because of how similar it is to a communist economic system.

socialism will fail in a democratic country because of it nature.

Even the Scandinavian countries cant push themselves to practice socialism because it will lead to a decay of society.

rvp2018:
Nonsense - whole of Scandinavian are social states - welfare state - nanny state - social state work well in small rich nations. It also work well in homogenous democratic states. Even Switzerland is social state.

As for you, your level of dumbness is beyond human perception.

Not even a single Scandinavian country is socialis.

They are all capitalist countries who have incorporated the best part of socialism.

rvp2018:
That is communism. Both socialisms and communism are equalitarian in objective. But they are not the same. Social states allows private sector to thrive and then taxes it - like Norway - 50% - and use the money to provide social services to everyone. Therefore the public sector and Private sector are nearly equal -50-50.

Communism - criminalize wealth in private hands, nationalize everything, all companies are publicly, and name it. It therefore breeds laziness, envy and poverty. And therefore can only survive in dictatorship.

Many example in Africa - use to do that - Ghana, Tanzania and Ethiopia.

BUT there is no doubt that Capitalism is the best - and has eliminate poverty than any other system.

all the Scandinavian countries are all capitalist countries tries that have incorporated the best part of socialism.

Go and call any Scandinavian country a socialist state and receive a slap in the face

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rvp2018:
That is communism. Both socialisms and communism are equalitarian in objective. But they are not the same. Social states allows private sector to thrive and then taxes it - like Norway - 50% - and use the money to provide social services to everyone. Therefore the public sector and Private sector are nearly equal -50-50.

Communism - criminalize wealth in private hands, nationalize everything, all companies are publicly, and name it. It therefore breeds laziness, envy and poverty. And therefore can only survive in dictatorship.

Many example in Africa - use to do that - Ghana, Tanzania and Ethiopia.

BUT there is no doubt that Capitalism is the best - and has eliminate poverty than any other system.

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jln115:
Just because it encourages State and social control doesn't mean it discourages democratic control.............That is what sets socialism apart from communism..........A simple google search would tell you this

it purely does and that is why USA criminalized socialism

jln115:
Yes since one of the fundamentals of socialism is Government control of production........Like communism

exactly why no democracy want to deal with socialism.

It is heavily practiced by communist, feudalist, monarchies, authoritarian and totalitarian

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rvp2018:
Sound like Ghana to me.
Otherwise you're selling crazy theories.
1) Communism - No private ownership to property. Communal rights. 100% public sector. No private sector. Example - North Korea
2) Socialisms - Private ownership. Large gov or public sector. Gov taxes the rich heavily and use it to lift the poor. Example - Scandinavian countries
3) Capitalism - Private Ownership - large private sector. Small public sector - mainly as regulator. Very little social services. Example - US, Kenya.

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jln115:
That's what you said bru!!

can you quote where I said that


Instead of putting words in my mouth, read and understand the USSR

jln115:
It literally does:

"Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production and democratic control"

you are funny

Socialism emphasizes on social control (communal)

It even discourages democratic controls because it uses the state as an authority for equal wealth distribution to lessen the class structure.

That's why it controls the means of production

jln115:
Socialism requires democratic control!! that's what sets it apart from communism.......

most Democrats shy away from socialism

Have you asked yourself why ?

jln115:
Democratic socialism is just normal socialism with less state control!

You are a confused kid

jln115:
According to Just40 this is impossible since capitalism is an economic system and communism is a Government

dont misquote me dumb kid

jln115:
It wasn't socialist since there was no democratic control!! the USSR was simply a communist state!

you have no idea

It was a core socialist society and socialism does not require democracy as a system of government to exist.

Socialism thrives in monarchies, feudalism, communism, totalitarianism, authoritarianism and etc

jln115:
You are confused boet!!! Socialism requires democratic control!! something that is not possible in a communist state

socialism has no system of government requirements.

Socialism in it pure form were mostly practiced by communist states.

Go and learn

jln115:
NO!! just normal socialism!

The man basically named is theory and economics policy as Democratic socialism

In the US, once you are branded a socialist, that is the end of your political career.

jln115:
No you gave me an example of a communist state

I gave you a communist state that was socialist on their economic front

jln115:
Nope!! Socialism realise on democracy.........No democratic control = not socialism!

carry your confusion somewhere else

I dont have the time to drag this with you.

Next time, pay attention in class.

Understudy USSR to clear all your confusions.

Learn why the USSR collapsed.

There's almost an encyclopedia size book in any library in SA. Go and read it

jln115:
DUDE!!! Socialism realise on democratic control..........What part of that dont you understand?

you must be confusing democratic socialism being preached by Bernie Sanders for socialism.

jln115:
You think socialism and communism go hand in hand when in fact socialism is impossible in a communist state

I just give you socialist state that was core communist

Next joke

jln115:
Clearly you didn't listen in class because Socialism is only possible by means of democracy!!

who told you that ?

Socialism is possible under any form of governance

jln115:
You think a country can be communist and socialist at the same time bru!! .............Clearly you are confused!!

I just give you an example of the number one communist country that was core socialist.

Again you dont know much

jln115:
You do know socialism is only possible through a democratic system right?

kid dont get confused
Socialism is practised even in a feudalism.

Again until you you differentiate economic systems from systems of government, you'll keep being confused

jln115:
I dont need to!! I studied economics

that is why you are confused.

I also studied economics and yet I'm not this confused

leQubit:

Both are economic and political systems

democratic socialism seeks to merge a governance structure into an economic policy.

This is what Bernie Sanders has been preaching

jln115:
I studied economics.....hence I know the difference between communism and socialism and why a country can't be both!! literally impossible!

I studied economics and government and that is why I can tell you which one is what.

Go and under study USSR and see how it economic structure was socialism and a core communist government

jln115:
Nope..........a country can't be socialist and communist at the same time!!.............its not possible!!

Now tell me!! what is Marxism

again

Study the USSR and clear this confusion

jln115:
Trust me boet!! im not the one confused

yeah you are

jln115:
Bolded is not possible !!! you can't be communist and socialist!!

Study the USSR as a course and clear your confusion

jln115:
Take it from someone that studied accounting and economics

Communism is an economic system, just like socialism is an economic system........Although similar they are not the same!! A country cant be communist and socialist !!! its impossible!!

you have no idea kiddo

Just study the Soviet Union as a course and you will clear your confusion

jln115:
No you don't understand boet

dont get confused
Kiddo

jln115:
@Just40

FYI although similar socialism and communism are NOT the same!!!!

exactly

Because socialism is a pure economic system while communism is a system of governance but carries it economic system that is socialism.

This is the simplest way I can break it down for you.

Beyond this, I leave you to stay in the general confusion of most people who dont actually know communism.

jln115:
@Just40........LEARN!!!

"a communist society or the communist system is the type of society and economic system..........."

You still dont understand the system.
It is a governance system where the economic structure is socialism