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vankelvin:
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Waste no time cos there is no brain in your head to reason in the first place. Empty head

Of course you've just now discovered the meaning of the word reason & it's natural that you want to play around with it... You're welcome

LVM3:
Well you can also look up the number of ongoing ethnic conflicts in that list before talking about an united African front.

And I don't know how a civil war can be compared to an invasion/ expeditionary war with a much superior enemy. We are not talking about fighting guerrillas hiding in the bushes.

For a start- let's talk about interoperability. No African nation with the probable exception of South Africa have any major C4I infrastructure to speak off.

Any African military would find it difficult to locate any enemy fleet, while you want a Ghanaian Missile Boat to take out an Indian Destroyer targeting Lagos.

And then there is the question of power projection. Can you tell me about the capabilities & assets of African militaries which enable, say Nigeria to defend Namibia from an invasion?

It's a hypothetical scenario remember, I'm not in the mood to continue the discussion. Maybe in the future we'll resume this esoteric military debate to our fill.

LVM3:
Can you elaborate on how having a longer coastline or raw materials for that matter will help you in a military confrontation ?

You're a novice at war scenarios, that's why you're quick to regard rankings, & current weapons over resources.

WW2 Germany had superior Weaponry, but they didn't have enough fighters, they even started to recruit 17 year olds, starvation really demoralized most of their fighters, they couldn't adapt to their environment in Russia due to lacking the necessary resources, being cutoff from their African colonies meant their industries lacked the necessary raw materials to support that war, a hyperinflation... In contrast Russia had the people, their inferior weapons could be mass produced in a shorter period & were cheaper history saw one persist to become a super power that eventually divided the other.

Resources in any war determines the direction of that war especially the longer it lasts...

vankelvin:
Is it *your Masters* part that pained you?
Or it is the part that I said *India is one of the most powerful nations* that hurt you so badly?

I refuse to be a *Kenyan*, bunch of fools who sees everything as competition.

Just as I said earlier, whether Good, bad or ugly any argument between Africa and India is a non starter. We shouldn't give any attention to that debate at all but Kenyans and their empty pride think otherwise.

To Explain myself better,

If it's about POVERTY
Both Africa and India have a lot of work to do but India will have a lot to do.

If it's about infrastructure both Africa and India have a lot to do.

In any case this platform is meant for Africans so why must you waste your time on Indians?

Think properly and stop being foolish as always.
No need arguing with an Indian.

I can't reason with someone who's this far gone, you'd be more useful as a cautionary tale. Your cooning will eventually catch up with you once you're properly exposed.

vankelvin:
No need to challenge your Masters.
India is still one of the most powerful nations in the World.

You're pathetic, some guy comes & generalized the whole of Africa yet you still find a way to bring your inferiority complex. This are the types of internet Africans that feed these trolls.

LVM3:
Weren't we discussing a hypothetical situation here? Of course there is absolutely zero chance for an Indian confrontation with an African nation.

You are making it look as if AU is some Pan African NATO, when it's clearly not the case. Each nation in the AU have their own interests, are at the best capable of defending their homeland against neighbors/ terrorists/ insurrectionists and are typically not too wealthy to fight a war for other's cause.

Heck, even the US failed to provide military assistance to it's major non NATO ally Pakistan to stop Indian invasion in 1971. And you think Zimbabwe would be able to provide military assistance to Nigeria in a case of a hypothetical India-Nigeria conflict?

You're misinformed, Africa has stepped up for other countries before, when they were far more poorer & not united, the Angolan Bush War, I'm not about to copy paste all of them here so help yourself https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Africa

In a hypothetical scenario that involves Africa & not the 55 nations expect nothing less...

Goel:
Being a member of AU doesn't change the fact that Egypt is an Arab settlement. Global ethnicity map suggests it.

Just as being member of East Asia summit doesn't make Indians as East Asian people like China, Japan & Korea.

Indeed it doesn't alone. That's why
China > India >> African Union

India dominates by long gaps in naval and air powers and non-nuclear weapons including strategic expeditionary systems which can reach every corner of Africa (and AFAIK no African country has anything capable of reaching Indian shores), single handedly controls Indian Ocean to keep US and China out and has far greater edge in SATCOM, Lasers, Microwaves and Net Centric Warfare.

Further, its own weapon production is a factor. This military superiority is a different case anyway.

They were built because India had enemies in neighborhood and US and USSR were against India during independence. Indian nuclear weapons came after China tested its nukes and US & UK threatened India in 1971 and not a will to dominate smaller countries.

Despite close populations, India's nominal GDP is more than African content in total and per capita terms while 3 decades ago India was one third of Africa. Africa's population growth is 2.5 time of India while India's GDP growth is more than double of Africa.

India's GDP is further a product of more domestic consumptions, industrial productions and opening of new sectors. PPP only reflects that India is far more ahead than it looks because localised production is cheap and provides Indians with low cost luxuries.

Being AU & Arab isn't something unique to Egypt I don't know why you feel they'd be less African by that association. Pic 1.

That’s not why. Africa is a continent that until recently 2021 didn't have open borders to facilitate such production unlike China or India. Imagine if India or any country had 55 Pakistani-Bangladeshi like countries within itself that had to pay taxes & have good diplomatic relations to get anything they didn't have or want, I'm assuming you're level headed enough to understand why such a scenario will be more of a disadvantage. Even then you've been picky on production, Africa excels in raw material production say cobalt, uranium, copper, oil, gold... So Africas total output by item should be >>> Indias.

Incase you didn't know in this hypothetical encounter between Africa Vs India weapons aside nuclear won't be as assertive, do not be fooled by any mainstream notion, if India chooses to be the aggressor then you'll quickly realize your naval/air fleet superiority will be underwhelming. Africa has the resources by far say longer coastline, raw materials so there are very few strategies that will help you there. Your best chance will be to end the war early like the Israeli did in their 6 day war, if it even stretched out to a year you'd have no raw materials to stall the fight to your advantage aside your uranium reserves, what else do you have to maintain a war, which nation do you think will choose to trade with India for you to maintain this war over cobalt, oil or anything they're leaching away from Africa rn.

Post the current or 2020 nominal gdp figures of Africa Vs India from an authentic source.

Africa isn't as enterprising as India yet the two are still very much comparable economically. If Africa picked itself up, you'd not feel comfortable to engage Africa with from a western stereotypical stance. Europeans & Americans come from a far better place than Africans that's why their ignorance works, Indians should not attempt to ride on their prejudice since it does not work.

LVM3:
The London New Routemaster was made by Wrightbus, an Irish firm. Neither Egypt nor Morocco can compete with India in the export of Commercial Vehicles.



There is something called Power projection. Basically India can send a carrier battle group or a fleet of destroyers & start attacking your major ports/ military installations/ cities with land attack cruise missiles/ carrier based strike aircraft. How many African nations can even defend against such a threat let alone reciprocate?

There is something called reality. India can't do any of that since you're still viewing Africa as a continent of 55 Nations not as an adversary. In case of an all out Africa Vs India war all things would pan out differently, you guys won't be dealing with each country on its own.

rvp20182:
Most African have dealt with Guajarati's - who Indian merchant class - and very enterprising lot - like the jews - the other Indias are crap.

Africa will overtake India - because India caste system - will forever condemn it's under-class.

Unless they revolt.

Yes but the internet Africans are daily interacting with the mainland Indian Bob & vegene kind. I doubt vimal shah is on this or other platforms to rep India.

rvp20182:
Yes if you consider India has 1.3B people - it's underperforming - and is not very different from Africa.

India GDP per capita is mere 2000. That is Kenya level.

China can talk - India should shut up - until pull themselves out of poverty.

If you go to Mumbai or New Delhi - the stench of raw sewage will hit you right at the Airport.

Open defecation everywhere. Cattle everywhere. Poor people begging everywhere.

Yes it's definitely telling when someone from India thinks they have something over Africa.

I wonder why some Naive internet Africans entertain that kind of disrespect. It's in fact the same kind of inferiority complex that compels some internet communities even from within Africa like the Somalis, Sudanese, Tutsis, Ethiopians, lightskins, uncle Ruckus, & bleachers to feel some type of way against other sub saharans like they're any better. Pathetic.

Shaytun:
Which dynamic is that??

“Managing Director Daniel Manduku on Friday said they expect to collect total revenue of Sh55.3 billion by the end of this financial year.”

What dynamic is that...your projected revenue, note the keyword here being projected is around $450 million dollar...that’s nothing compare to what we generate here .

And I don’t even see how you can achieve that figure .

dynamic
/dʌɪˈnamɪk/
1.
(of a process or system) characterized by constant change, activity, or progress.
"a dynamic economy"

Get it, or you need the Ashanti igbo/yoruboid/Efik version?

Goel:
Egypt is an Arab state so far. And as for double decker buses etc., not even Egypt stands anywhere near India in terms of vehicle production. From buses to even common cars and bikes.

Once again, these things are a thing in Africa the way you guys are sharing pics of these things being in your country. In India, it isn't even significant despite being on world's top 5 in nearly all of major type of productions.

The problem is real. South Africa is populated by European and Indian immigrants who are far richer than their native counterparts and have control of most of wealth and innovation. Seychelles and Mauritius are Indian settlements and North African countries are Arabic settlements.

Africa isn't a thing in common thing in Indian minds in general. Entire African continent combined is incapable of even bothering India even once economically or militarily either.

Indians are more interested in Asia-pacific and North Atlantic geopolitics and to some extent in middle-eastern issues.

I'm a special case among Indians who visits this forum to see issues on which Nigerians, Kenyans and Ghanians fight.

Egypt is a member of the AU, you should probably get someone competent to help you interpret the world map.

I guess the 1 billion population does not help in inflating the production.

The problem is real, yes. Indians are the highest earners in America as well but your analogy doesn't work there huh. & while we're congratulating the diaspora Indians why don't we as well acknowledged the poor state of India. Why are Indians in India such poor performers?

India isn't a thing in common thing in African minds in general. Economically India 2.6 Vs Africa isn't going in favor of India unless you're only considering gdp ppp. Militarily except for nuclear what else gives you any edge incase of a confrontation?

Africans are far more introverted when it comes to interests. In case you didn't notice association with foreign countries or people is used as a jab here, little Indian, will be owned by Chinese, Lebanese are building your ek... Europeans built your country, whoever deceives you that xenophobia isn't a concern in Africa should be considered your enemy.

Well you should try to feel comfortable that we engage in a healthy dialog from time to time.

gallivant:
What will you say now?

https://www.the-star.co.ke/counties/coast/2019-06-15-kpa-projects-all-time-high-sh154-billion-profit-this-year/

They have no idea how dynamic things are in Kenya...

vankelvin:
No wonder majority of you failed your final exams. You think upside down.

Look through your own post,
See where Kenya was in 1994-2007, then compare that to the 2014 graph, then imagine how things will be in 2021. Chai

So to you we should judge your slum population with the 2007 figures? Ozuor

I don't remember quoting you... So whoever your assumptions were addressing I hope he/she gets it.

2007-2008 really weren't Kenya's best years...

Just30:


Wow Kenyan education really failed you
Read the map key on the colour coding and come back with a sensible write up.

such stupidity


The map is basically representing 70% of Kenyan urban population as slum dwellers.
while putting Ghana urban slum dwellers at 35%

Put on your glasses, 40sh man, that's not 70% Either way Kenya has a good PR system, of the countries here debating Kenya isn't doing that bad... I can take special requests for country to country comparisons.

jl115:
Probably a bit longer than that

For it to be a discussion, Nairobi metro has to atleast be 25 billion dollars within range when being compared to Guateng. & that does not need a lot of time especially for such a dynamic city.

Just40:
I heard, 60% of Kenyans live in those terrible slum apartment at Eastlands



That is really depressing

You're either a good troll or a really unfortunate ret@rd.

60% of Kenyans can't live in slums if 70% are rural.

jl115:
- Johannesburg has more skyscrapers and as I proved before Nairobi would not even overtake Johannesburg if we include projects under construction or proposed

- The road network in Gauteng alone is more than the entire Kenya

- All SA's major cities have BRT systems

- How has Nairobi overtaken Johannesburg wrt telecommunication?

Assumptions won't help you, are you sure guateng has a road network of > 160,000 km

AmenhotepZuid:
SOUTH AFRICA LEADS THE WORLD!!!!!!!WE RULE THE WORLD!!!!Live with that Nairaland black HATERS!!!

OH you've finally switched your TV on, congratulations bro.

rvp20182:
The difference is now minimal. You just need to look at videos. Picture test. Nairobi is growing very fast.

High rises - Nairobi I believe will overtake Joburg very very soon if it hasn't already.

Roads.
By next year - with completion of Nairobi Expresseway - Valley Road/Upperhill expansion with interchanges - Western By-Pass - James Gichuru-Rironi - the expansion of Eastern and Northern by-passes- the road infrastructure will be a few notches below Joburg. From there - I can only think about expanding very few roads - Kiambu, Limuru, Kamiti,Kangundo, maybe ABC - through Lavington. Nairobi would be there in roads.

BRT - we are getting about 60Km of BRT next year

Light rail - we have decent old MGR line that is being modernized - if we get more DMUs - we would be about there.
Nairobi Railway City - and in the future - a proper light rail - will nail it.

Nairobi is fixing the water problem - at least huge part - with completion of Nairobi North Collector project. Sewage still is a problem.

Telecommunication - broadband - and likes - Nairobi has already overtaken Joburg.

Also if we get housing fixed - with social housing to replace slums and old estates - then Nairobi will be untouchable in Sub-Saharan Africa - South Africans will be come to see a modern city

As for Nairobi metro - there is huge infrastructure deficit there - it will be another 10-15yrs before Nairobi metro compete with Gauteng.

Kenyans have tried their best to build real estate - but paved roads are lacking, sewage system absent, water mostly boreholes, and there is no railway and mass transport - we need to invest heavily in Nairobi Metro - because those county gov cannot prioritize Nairobi metro over rural areas of the counties.

I agree there is need & room for improvement, for now joburg Vs Nairobi is strictly based on preference or opinion there is no greater city, just maybe a better one... It isn't a Goliath Vs David story as jln115 would like to put it.

jl115:
Then compare it with Gauteng province

There is no need for that right now maybe in 10 years time.

Kenya Vs Guateng would be more fun.

jl115:
It was nominal gdp vs nominal gdp.......

-Paved road network Johannesburg 9000 + 3600 + sanral(not sure the length but near 1000km) vs Nairobi (not verifiable) your pic doesn't say its for Nairobi

- Johannesburg has the Gautrain, Metro rail, BRT system as well has the largest airport in Africa

- Johannesburg gdp Nominal: $76 billion vs $20 billion for Nairobi.... That's not slightly

- city deep port is Africas largest dry port > Nairobi metro dry port

- gautrain and metro rail> Nairobi metro rail

- South Africa has the 6th highest retail space in the world.... I'm sure Johannesburg alone has more retail space than the entire Kenya....

- Dar es salaam real estate value > Nairobi..... Never mind Joburg

- Johannesburg has more and bigger sport stadium, more theaters, more shopping centers, more golf courses.... Johannesburg definitely beats Nairobi wrt recreational facilities...

- Health care certainly goes to Johannesburg..... Don't even know how you can even think Nairobi has better health care...

-You compared Johannesburg GDP to Kenya's saying it was larger, before quoting the 76 billion $ figure.

-My pic is actually far more reliable than your quoted figures.

-Having the largest airport doesn't mean sh@t JKIA is ranked #38 globally by https://www.airhelp.com/en-gb/airhelp-score/airport-ranking/

-Joburg gdp is only slightly > than Nairobi metros gdp get the facts right next time.

-city deep was the largest dry port in the 1970s not now also I included the metro & complex for a reason, naivasha has another dry port.

- no argument there I even had >

- post the Johannesburg retail space figure instead.

- Dar isn't Johannesburg, & value isn't = real estate. Also the analysis was flawed in that research.

- Joburg has bigger stadiums yes but Nairobi has more recreational spaces... Get it

- South africa is among the last countries in health care rankings so joburg can't compete, health-care is not = to health facilities. You're literally accountable for creating an incurable covid-19 strand, you let HIV devastate your entire country, you'll be very lucky if you get to see 60...

rvp20182:
WB used experimental metholodgy - night light data. Nairobi at minimum contribute 30% if not 50% of the country GDP.

Yes jln115 wb quoted figure is on account for Nairobi County's gdp so it's definitely realistic.

Nairobi metro is around the figure you quoted previously.

jl115:
Gauteng GDP - $140 billion
Johannesburg GDP - $ 76 billion
Kenyan GDP - $ 95 Billion
Nairobi GDP - $ 20 Billion (according to the WB Nairobi only contributes 21% to Kenya's GDP)

Nairobi County.

Nairobi metro city is far larger & has a gdp that's around 40-50 billion $

Goel:
Indians at least have balls to try to be in competition, are dependent upon themselves for such things and even create world class products sometimes. What most African countries have achieved so far?

Don't bring Africa into this deal with Ghana.

jl115:
when did I mention Ghana?

Johannesburg has a GDP larger than Kenya

New buildings are popping up all over Johannesburg bru

Kenya first has to catch Gauteng wrt Road infastructure.... Never mind Nairobi

The real estate market in Johannesburg alone is worth more than the entire Kenyan real estate market

We already discussed this previously, Johannesburg's gdp ppp isn't useful a measure when compared to the nominal gdp of Nairobi.

Guateng's gdp is realistically at or around 90 to 150, billion dollars. Admittedly within range of Kenya's GDP.

Nairobi & Johannesburg unlike your previous assertions are within the same range on paper, there is no need for Nairobi to catch up.

Guateng>> Johannesburg or Nairobi, Johannesburg= Nairobi, get it? When it comes to infrastructure they're quite similar already. you had the total paved roads of Johannesburg at >9000km & according to this account bellow Nairobi is already at >7000 km of paved roads, there is a functional metro rail system that's currently getting upgraded in nairobi while you have your guatrain, joburg guys have the city deep dry port while Nairobi has a dry port, Brt system is on course in nairobi while it's present in joburg, add other amenities that are only accessible to one, Nairobi has a National Park, Nairobi is the most dynamic city in Africa.

The only way you're having a debate is on which is better, & we'll rationally get to

Joburg wealth> Nairobi wealth
Joburg gdp nominal= or slightly> Nairobi metro gdp nominal
Joburg gdp per capita nominal> Nairobi MgdpPc
Nairobi metro dry port complex> city deep
guatrain> Nairobi metrorail
Joburg roads> Nairobi roads
Joburg retail space = or slightly > Nairobi retail space
Joburg real-estate= or slightly > Nairobi estate
Nairobi recreational space> joburg recreational space
Education Joburg= or slightly> Nairobi
Security Nairobi> Joburg
Dynamic Nairobi> Joburg
Healthcare Nairobi> Joburg
Health facilities Joburg> Nairobi
QOL Joburg> Nairobi
Skyline Nairobi> Joburg imo
Skyscraper/high-rise Joburg> Nairobi
Nightlife Joburg= or slightly > Nairobi

They're not that distant from each other, just one might seem a lil more impressive for now.

kikuyu1:
Srsly!?

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[b]Early Africans were global players! Niger CONGO speakers got as far as China. [/[/b]b]In fact they established the first Xia dynasty 3500 yrs ago.

How the oldest dialect, Southern Mianchi aka Qiang contains Niger-Congo tonal elements.
A Hong Kong uni study.

‘African’ Tone in the Sinosphere*


[url][http://www.ling.sinica.edu.tw/Files/LL/Docments/Journals/9.3/j2008_3_01_8656.pdfurlurl]

[b]Almost all the Bantu people living in Kenya speak of a migration from up North. The people of Marachi location are known to have come from Elgon although other clans of the same group came from Egypt. They came in canoes on the River Nile as far as Juja, Uganda and later moved eastward into lake Victoria. They changed course until Asembo and separated with the Luo who walked along the lake shore but the rest crossed into South Nyanza. They then turned northwards and reached Butere and then moved on to Luanda and to Ekhomo. The Luo people were behind them right from Egypt.
The people of Samia location came from Egypt on foot. The Abakhekhe clan too originated from Egypt on foot. The Abachoni clan originally came from Egypt on foot. The people of Bukusu originally came from Egypt in canoes

DNA EVIDENCE is often misunderstood but understanding the common Bantu M2 lineage ISN'T difficult.

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Tbh, believing in this Bantu migration BS via the Congo is EMBARRASSING!

Are the Luhya the ancestors of all present bantu populations? If not then they can not be used to determine the origin of the entire community.

Also E-M2 is a very common haplogroup among all the Niger-Congo people not just the Bantu which connects these linguistic community genetically & supports a Nigerian-Cameroon migration for the Bantus.

Just compare the E-M2 lineage (pic4) with the distribution of the Niger-Congo people in Africa.

kikuyu1:
Srsly!?

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[b]Early Africans were global players! Niger CONGO speakers got as far as China. [/[/b]b]In fact they established the first Xia dynasty 3500 yrs ago.

How the oldest dialect, Southern Mianchi aka Qiang contains Niger-Congo tonal elements.
A Hong Kong uni study.

‘African’ Tone in the Sinosphere*


[url][http://www.ling.sinica.edu.tw/Files/LL/Docments/Journals/9.3/j2008_3_01_8656.pdfurlurl]

[b]Almost all the Bantu people living in Kenya speak of a migration from up North. The people of Marachi location are known to have come from Elgon although other clans of the same group came from Egypt. They came in canoes on the River Nile as far as Juja, Uganda and later moved eastward into lake Victoria. They changed course until Asembo and separated with the Luo who walked along the lake shore but the rest crossed into South Nyanza. They then turned northwards and reached Butere and then moved on to Luanda and to Ekhomo. The Luo people were behind them right from Egypt.
The people of Samia location came from Egypt on foot. The Abakhekhe clan too originated from Egypt on foot. The Abachoni clan originally came from Egypt on foot. The people of Bukusu originally came from Egypt in canoes.

DNA EVIDENCE is often misunderstood but understanding the common Bantu M2 lineage ISN'T difficult.

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Tbh, believing in this Bantu migration BS via the Congo is EMBARRASSING!

If the Bantu are originally from Sudan where are the other Niger-Congo people from?

rvp2018:
of course his ancestors migrated long term ago which is why he looked white..but his predominant y DNA is the E1b1b..
that 90% of Somalis carry

E1b1b, clade E-V13 https://www.yfull.com/tree/e-v13/ which is very different from the Somali clade E-V32 https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V32/ which is quite common among east African Cushites & bordering communities.

mtisTheQubit:
So the guy tried to exterminate his people..

So you mean to tell me WW1 WW2 cold War & even the recent skirmishes in the US didn't convince you that white people try to exterminate each other any chance they get huh? This shouldn't surprise you bro...

rvp2018:
Adolf Hilter - had DNA profile typical of a somali or ethiopia
--.Adolf Hitler may have had Jewish and African ancestors, according to a recent DNA study by Belgian researchers.

Europeans bear different uniparental ydna, most don't originate in Europe, Adolf had E1b1b which is commonly found in African Afroasiatic & Nilo-saharans communities but the subclade he had is typical for Europeans, it might have been E-V13, E-M81 is also sparsely found along with E-M123