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Gombs:
^^
I see you've met kech Simmons? I hope you find the truth you seek. He's changed like 3 other churches after RCC, CE and KICC. Curiously, all these churches seem to be at fault.

Looooooooolzzzzz
*falls down from a palm tree*

trustman:
First, words have defined meanings.
Secondly, the Christian is not at liberty to change words to suit himself. Prayer, as with all issues taught in the Bible, must be understood from how the Scripture, properly explained (not any other source or anyone else), states it to be.
Thirdly, prayer, properly situated, is addressed to God and no one else.
Fourthly, to help us, the Bible has numerous examples of prayer and the Lord Jesus’ model prayer given at the request of his disciples to help us better understand what prayer is.
Fifthly, prayer is our expression of faith and trust in God.

Prayer, biblical prayer then, is simply a request or some other expression (e.g. thanks) by a subordinate – the believer, addressed to a superior – God.

Now you can see how your “romance of righteousness: a time to fellowship in the communion of the God-kind” goes way off what true biblical prayer is.

I can see now that someone's caught the goose pimple on sighting the word "ROMANCE of righteousness".
It's quite funny some folks appears to be allergic to "informal expressions" with God here.
If I may ask; When you communicate with your father, will your style of communication be formal or informal?
What would you have Jesus himself say in John 14:23 instead of, " If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. "?
Emotional expressions to God (our Father) is a cultic trait as well I guess?

ProphetUdeme:
Loveworldnews Nice one. The love you share among your members really pleases God. But what about anita? Why would she be left out? Remember God does not welcome divorcees into His kingdom because He made the two one flesh and what He joined together let no man put asunder

All hail the almighty divorce crew!

DeCleff:
Only cowards who are scared of facing realities with their clear senses smoke weed.

DeCleff:
Leader O. O. Obu.

Ok. Too much weed is not good for you, you know!
More comments later!

DeCleff:
Yes

DeCleff:
Those prophecies describes the greatness of Christ and His Kingdom.

The Rod of an Iron is the Word of God

DeCleff:
Our Lord Jesus Christ of course! But did He lived and ruled as Isaiah said He will? The answer is NO! So, when will He come and rule on earth? Read Isaiah 63:1- 19 and see Him coming to fulfill Daniel 2:44. I want u to compare those scriptures with Revelarions 12:1-5, 19:11-21

As for the war against God, it was already won even before it
started by O. O. Obu who is ruling the world with the Rod Of An
Iron. His word is sword Revelations 19:11-21.??

DeCleff:
Like i said earlier, i still insist that the satan lost his powers to Christ. In the case of satan promising to give Our Lord Jesus Christ the things of the world; he made that promised because he WAS in charge of the world which was the reason Christ was manifested to put an end to his rulership 1 John 3:8. U would agree with me that God sent Jesus into the world for the salvation of the entire world John 3:16-17. If that is true; how can He save us all from satan if He didn't rendered him powerless? If Jesus did not destroyed the ability of satan to rule over man then He failed. But we all knew He destroyed him by taking away the power he once had, Hebrews 2:14-15.

As for the war against God, it was already won even before it started by O. O. Obu who is ruling the world with the Rod Of An Iron. His word is sword Revelations 19:11-21.

God has done everything needed for man's salvation from sin and satan and made us kings to reign on earth Revelations 5:10. But man has refused to repent. Man prefer to give in to the same tricks satan tried to use on Christ.

Gombs:
I wish NL tsunami did not happen at all. That thread was a comedy central.

Yeah... right. He has the tsunami to thank for that else....!

Gombs:
What have you built? What have you done with the message of Jesus?

Forgive me, but the above bold is the dumbest thing I've read in a long while, with the exception of WX's numerous writings. For example, his writing on WoF piano, building etc.

WinsomeX:
Sammied

I know what I'm building. God also knows. I don't need to advertise it on the internet. However, if what you build is doing more harm to the gospel, I will tear it down.

Now, what's with the Corinthian church? They had some people committing sin. Someone was sleeping with his fathers wife. Then what? Paul celebrated him? Paul rebuked him and when he showed remorse he was restored. Yes, the Corinthians were saints despite their excesses.

When will you understand that there is a world of difference between doctrine and practices. God's people can be saved through sound doctrine and err in practice. like the Corinthians they remain saved.

BUT NO ONE CAN BE SAVED THROUGH WOF AND GNOSTIC HERESIES. NO ONE CAN BE SAVED VIA NEW AGE GOSPELS.

And God will hold you responsible for the blood of those who are damned because they believed a false gospel.

I am saying that there is nothing Oyakhilome preached that can save anyone. If it is his gospel of WoF that his people have believed, they are all heading to hell! Except they have believed the true gospel and even at that, thru must still leave that cult eventually. Light and darkness cannot cohabit.

If that was your last post. Fine. I will still be here.

Goodbye!

Typical response from The Bitter One eh? @sammied
As for @WinsomeX we know you, it's your opinion that counts and no one else's. That's why you are an empty drum that makes the loudest noise!

Good morning!

Gombs:
*Gently Humming
[size=28pt]All Over the World[/size]

[size=18pt]by Roy Turner[/size]

All over the world the Spirit is moving
All over the world as the prophet said it would be
All over the world there's a mighty revelation
Of the glory of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea

*continues Humming

i want to start a thread about miracles... i will uplod videos of amazing mircles by Pastor Chris. Stay tuned

WinsomeX:
I did not see this article until this morning when someone suggested Google. This is a fellow Pentecostal calling Chris Oyakhilome's religion a cult. A fine summary of all I have been saying since I'm this thread. What do we have to say about this?

CC: Joagbaje, Gombs, kenny4life, sammied, seedgreen and vooks.

I'm with @Gombs on this one!.
Well, that bloke wrote what he did in 2012, ROR was just about 70
languages, could you write him and say as of today, ROR is 565
languages and will be almost 650 by December.
Could you write also that the churches in UK, US and Canada has
increased by almost 300% since he wrote that piece? Tell him in fact,
my friend is the head pastor CE Belgium (Yes, The whole Belgium).
For your information, he is less than 30, and started the CE church in
Belgium in 2013. You're almost 50 o...think about it. Keep writing and
criticising, continue, while others take over nations for Christ. You're
yet to win NL with your message self.
Also write to him that Romania has more pastors under the tutelage
of Pastor Chris, and that CE Romania is flourishing.
Tell him this year alone, 10,000 ROR was distributed in Iraq, winning
3,000 to the Lord. Worthy of note was it was done with the
partnership of 4 other churches; the apostolic, the Baptist, the
Evangelical and the Nazareth Churches.
Tell him, like you, Pastor Chris don't care what you write or will write
or are writing... He's set on a course he wants to finish.
Tell him, like you, his fellowship will suffer same fate as yours, solely
because God will resist who ever speaks against His servants.
Tell him Chris and Hinn he wrote about are waxing strong and great,
doing the Lord's biddings.
Tell him, I know he's almost bankrupt. All church critics end up
broke... He's broke now, and like you'd say "there's nothing wrong in
being poor, after all Jesus was poor and sick at a time" "it's God's
will" etc.
Have a great day.

WinsomeX:
I expected this and it's just in keeping with your style.

But, just one favour I beg:

What School awarded Chris Oyakhilome a PHD and what year was it? When did Oga collect Prof??

Das'all!

Good to to know someone here digs my style.

Oh common don't tell me you're interested in Pneumatology?
That's our cult stuff. I shouldn't share with a non-member, unless you wanna be a part of the house!

WinsomeX:
I just saw this on front page. Follow me to examine it closely as I try to prove my central thesis here that CE is a cult.



The truth is that the Nigerian tabloid had been reporting a lot more scandal of Pastor Chris and a publication like this will go a long way in redeeming his image.



"Apostolic wonder"... Quite some title don't you think?



Now that's what I have been looking for which I had not seen anywhere else. Every cult requires the founder/prophet/god to have some supernatural encounter. This encounter is what elevates them to the level of the superhuman and that separates them from ordinary members. It could be an angekic encounter, a mystwrius happening when the chap was in the wimv, some dream, a voice that spoke to him, etc. The bible is never enough. Faith is never enough. There must be some ENCOUNTER...

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.



OK. Following...



Who are these "neighbours in the faith"? Fellows Pentecostals or Fellow WoFaither?

There is only one way to prove the god-man nature, to equate yourself with the bible apostles, and that is to claim to speak in tongues more than anyone else.

Following...



Well, it is your word. I wish I could believe it. Though it could be true, considering the billion these people reap people of.



Like he is Apostle John or Praying Hide. Myth. Can we see some pictures please?



I will not dispute this. Its quite possible.



Hero worship at best. Man worship. The making of god Oyakhilome.

What we used to know in those days was that the holiest men were those most keenly aware of their own depravity. It is the other way round now.

Well if you insist, I will say the only other person that rivals him at this level is T B Joshua.



OK.



Impressive.

How does it add to the gospel?



Can you offer a link to this teaching please?



Impressive.



I quite agree. One aspect of CE is the really beautiful music they make. Though what does it take to make music? Be really smart and talented. Ask R. Kelly, Rihanna or Beyonce.



Well, is this really a spiritual thing? To have rich folks in church.



Same way Oyo State is the pacesetter state in Nigeria? Common. Let's cut down on this self glorification. Nothing spiritual about it.



Yes. Like rivalling Jesus' teaching ministry. gods in the making...



Very tempting offer. I'm not moved. Gospel preaching is not salesmanship.



Congratulation. How is this spiritual in anyway?



Now this got my attention. Please provide school and year of attendance, pls. No honorary degrees from loveworld schools o!



Impressive. Congrats.



O yea. Like many rich and worldly CEOs. I'm yet to see what is really spiritual about this.

Compare all this self glorification to another apostle of scripture:

1 Corinthians 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God. 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. 4:7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it? 4:8 Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you. 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men. 4:10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but ye are wise in Christ; we are weak, but ye are strong; ye are honourable, but we are despised. 4:11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace; 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: 4:13 Being defamed, we intreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the offscouring of all things unto this day...

That thread must've been one of the worst nightmares you've had in while uh?
Funny enough you brought it into your thread all by yourself.
Call it hero-worship or whatever; why else is Paul and other apostles relevant today if not their gospel-feat.
If you cannot state a feat you achieved for the gospel then shame on you for publishing falsehood against those who have.
Meanwhile, keep complaining while we keep spreading the gospel till the Lord comes.

A closer look at that scripture you quoted there... hmnn...
That must hurt 'cus you've just shot yourself in the foot! Kpele!
@Gombs - who's the cry baby now uh?

sammied:
I guess so... Cos it's seems nothing one says ever makes meaning to them except their own opinions.

Thank you Bro.

You're welcome bro!

WinsomeX:
Don't belabour the 'help" thing. There is no need for long explanation. My analysis on CE cultism is not personal.

Outside doctrine, whatever else we do should be left to our own individual conscience to determine whether it right or wrong. If it is OK with you, it is fine with me. I however will object to false teaching. Which is NY bone of contention on this thread.

WinsomeX:
Gombs and Kenny4life,

I honestly do not need cry babies on this thread. I need matured minds that can handle the issues I have raised in your church on this thread. And I am hereby asking you two to get an older person, a high ranking CE official to come yo this thread and discuss the ISSUES raised.

I would have loved Joagbaje attend to them but he is obviously busy. So you guys, find someone. OK? I can help you by summarizing the issues raised so far and you can attend to them.

Despite my reservations against RCCG, Living Faith and other Charismatic Churches, I have not labelled any of them a cult. But I have called Christ Embassy a cult and presented my reason. Get a matured thinker to attend to them. Gombs tried but allowed his emotions to take over his reasoning.

Calling a church a cult is a grave allegation. An allegation I stand before God and man to be judged by.

WinsomeX:
At least it is old news not false news.

Report by Ebisco Blog, published today, Friday, 10th April 2015.

Remainder of the report:

That is the only kind of thing you find about a man of God when he misses the message of God or he acts beyond what God said. But a man of God settles himself in the fight against the world…like those writing those stupid things about me, that I did this and I did that.
“You don’t know who a man of God is. I don’t go in that direction. I wasn’t accused of the things you said, nor did I commit those stupid things that you said and I don’t need to go into that level in such discussions”.
He recalled that Jesus passed through similar travails and eventually overcame.
He said that although so many people were making mockery of him, he would remain steadfast and not lose focus.
“Jesus Christ was accused by many– a lot of frivolous charges. There will always be those who would like for it to be true. But you know, in spite of the accusations against Jesus, It didn’t change who he was. It didn’t change him.
“There are preachers and there are men of God. I am not a preacher; I am a man of God and I go in the way I’m asked to go. It may cause some troubles with individuals but that’s not because I have done something wrong and when it comes to Reverend Anita, what I will say to you is ‘pray for her’.
“Don’t act like those people. If you are married to a man of God, it doesn’t make you automatically mature. You can make mistakes; you can do something that is wrong. But some people expect the wife of a minister to definitely be at the level of that minister and so they may be looked upon and the expectation may be like that, but it’s a positional thing.
“If a man of God is married, it doesn’t automatically mean that the wife of a man of God is therefore a woman of God. That’s not the way it is in the Bible. That’s why you don’t really find the wives of men of God mentioned in the Bible. You never find their names”, he added.
At this point, one of the female pastors ought to know why the names of wives of the men of God were not found in the Bible.
Oyakhilome’s response was that she should ask God whenever she finds him.
“Why? You ask God when you find him. Ask God when you find him”, he exclaimed.
“So, they are little things; don’t try to make something big out of them. So when journeying, doing the things that God called us to do, Christians should not have a divorce; it shouldn’t be, but you see, that doesn’t mean a Christian may not take the step.
“They may do it but they have to make things right and we shouldn’t take one another to court. But when it happens, not that we don’t just want to go, it means someone is taking us there.
“That’s a problem, but be wise and stay focused in the word of God and don’t let those who want to feast on things like this, including Christians…
“There are Christians who like things like this; they want to make something big out of this: ‘Yeah, yeah, yeah, we said it’. You said what? Judge nothing before the time. Be wise. Glory to God.
“So we are not working in sin and living in sin and hoping that we can mix sin and righteousness together. We are the manifestation of his righteousness. We walk in that light only, and that’s the way it’s gonna be”.
In April 2014, Anita Oyakhilome filed for divorce at Central Family Court, High Holborn, London, UK, citing her husband’s “unreasonable behaviour” and inappropriate relationships with female members.

WinsomeX:
The latest from Chris Oyakhilome

Old news!
**WinsomeX indeed has a personal vendetta against Christ Embassy Church and Pastor Chris Oyakhilome**
He's full of bitterness indeed; just as Gombs described him.

WinsomeX:
You promised to take me up on the issues I'm discussing but save for Gombs who has fled now, none of you have been able to take up the challenge.

Never mind. The thread is progressing just fine.