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GreenCovering:
Sincerely speaking I would not have minded if all christians closed their Sterling bank accounts if they felt blasphemed by that comparison. It was insensitive. But then again, the christians somehow deep down realise that the entire story about the resurrection is not complete neither have they been able to prove it. It has become an annual explanations nightmare for them.

you are so ignorant that you do not even know that Islam teaches Christ resurrected, records holds and are certain that Christ died. But your Koran burnt and eaten by goats and abrogated severally is still perfectly preserved to you. Pure ignorance.

But After the said provocation, we didn't go call anyone unlike your piss full islam

GreenCovering:
You can not oppress people with words where it hurts them most and leave them with the burden of finding wisdom, no, you will get spontaneous reactions. Watch what you say and respect what other people hold dear especially when you are in their own domain.

that's the kind of foolish talk that made those barbarians kill that girl.

Farid24224:
Wallahi threads like this will just escalate and ignite a religious war

wallahi Islam should never have existed , Muhammad should never have been born. How can you allow 7th century arabian pedophile make you start a war against your own in the first place?

FIRDAUS3:
Islam is a religion of peace, they did the acts on behalf of themselves, nobody sent them, it's annoying. Government should wade in to stop this reoccurring nonsense.
We have bad sects in every religion.....

If you're quoting against Islam, what about the 28 year old Australia man who shoots and killed 48 Muslims worshipers and another 49 sustain serious injury?
We have bad sects in every religion,. Whenever such acts happens it's the duty of Nigeria government to identify them and allow the law to take its course.

No other religion calls for violent subjugation of disbelievers, dismembering petty thieves, killing apostates and marrying underage girls except Islam.

HardMirror:
she is also religiously arrogant. People need to learn. Her confidence that she could insult them and get away with it because holy ghost was going to protect her. I find it hypocritical. Perhaps she would have loved if they were quoting scriptures on the group. Let us call a spade a spade

I'd rather call a fool a fool, and in you is all the makeup of one. The point is, this religion kills for the simplest provocation and all you can say is perhaps she would have loved if they were quoting scriptures on the group.

Salihusaliheen:
if u know the similarity btw god and Allah u cant be here saying trash

your Allah is moon pig adopted by the beast Muhammad. No similarity bw Allah and God, Muhammad and any prophet. He's d definition of a false prophet. Please go and read your Koran alone. Any God that tells you to fight for him, kill your fellow man for him is not God. That's Lucifer himself. Muhammad saw the devil, he pressed him and forced him to memorize the Koran,.. to the point Muhammad felt he was possessed by a Jin and attempted suicide several times. I just pity you Muslims, you ignorantly follow trash

HardMirror:
lol. This girl is a mumu. So she was calling holy ghost that does not exist to protect her. Lol. When will people learn that god ain't real and cannot protect them?

your own case is different

Eneye4me:
If the killer would have been a Christains,U have been hearing is not good man of God, just like rev King. But since is Muslim all Muslims will receive the blame

The christian can never back it up with the any new covenant quote. Even when the disciple cut of the ears of a soldier who came to arrest the Lord Jesus Christ, the disciple was instantly rebuked for it. But in Islam, in a Hadith, someone killed his wife for mocking your pedophile prophet and he commended him for it. There are hundreds of koranic quotes calling for jihad and violent subjugation of disbelievers, kill them anywhere you find them...

JOemmy:
It seems u are from mars.

Nothing changes by maintaining status quo. You can't just kill people for insults. It's not right whether it's the way it is now or not, it's not right and we must keep telling their dumb heads that it's not right until it sinks in.

Salihusaliheen:
nonsense nairaland,full of religion extremist.

You are a pathetic extremist yourself. Why did you take down the comment you threatened to slice your father's throat? You are in hell already and will continue in your hellfire just keep this up. Your demonic god allah and his dirty prophet Muhammad will be burning along with you all. Just on keep this religion and see. Doomed lost souls

Danmisra:
She fully deserves it. Next time another fucking idiot will not try this bullshit in northern Nigeria. If you are free to mock,jock,insult prophets and God himself as is done by Christians, well it is fine in christianity. that is accepted.
But you should respect other religions as and don't cross their line simple. It is very simple you can't go to another place to insult,break the laws knowing fully the will be repercussion.
Sorry to say it has been observed that Christians are just religious on paper not by practice because , they don't follow the Bible commandments, the Don't care about the DOS and don't of the Bible. in fact if you want to live a coded atheist life just practice Christianity because you are already forgiven (jesus sacrifice) so you are free to Bleep around anyhow .
You don't try this bullshit in Islam ,if you Bleep up they will treat your Bleep up instantly.if you like you can call them whatever you fell like calling them but don't cross their line and you are safe ,this is not barbarism as some ignorant people are calling it,it call being civilised ,it is also simple common sense which why they say it is not common

You are a terrorist, a jihadist that will rot in hell fire with your Muhammad burning along side you for all eternity. Just keep it up.

adm212144:
where in the Quran do you have that ?

everywhere in the Koran, mumu. I have a Koran I have read through and you can't come talking with your white wash trash

JOemmy:
You will wait for ever for those guys to be brought to book it's an age long cultural practice to kill infidels in the core north.

we might wait long but not forever. This nonsense must stop abeg.

Salihusaliheen:
The mod should close this thread,

because you and your Muhammad is foolish? Your Allah is a pig? You all black stone kissers, cube worshippers, pedophiles are dumb and you want to hide it from the world? Hell fire awaits you all in your Hannah of 27 virgins

The blood thirsty vampires should be brought to book. This craziness must end. That's what we should be talking about not what the dead should or shouldn't have done.

JOemmy:
She should have separated herself from those bloodthirsty vampires.

ganye1:
It is very unfortunate that it got to this state but the truth is that the lady did not use her common sense.
Anyone with little common sense would know that what she said would automatically get her into trouble in Sokoto.
The translator has said he left out the offensive part of the voice because he can't repeat it, therefore the translation did not capture the offensive part of her comment.

you and everyone like you should be sentenced to firing squad. You are clearly in support of the act, hiding behind the cloak of offensive word. Anything can be offensive to he who is counting offenses. But where is it deserving of death. I can't believe some people are siding this craziness, it's never an issue of common sense, or guided speech,.. it's an issue of barbaric murder

Rexymania:
Omo my heart sanked. I'm a Muslim but not this type of Muslim

If you are not that type of Muslim then you are are fake Muslim. Your religion teaches you to suppress, subjugate violently and slaughter. Don't act ignorant here

If you are not that type of Muslim keep shut and actively fight to ensure those culprits are brought to book.

This two faced game you islamjihadist are playing is becoming disgusting

adm212144:
Digest this and stop writing rubbish

polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” (Al Quran 9:5)



! OK, so here is what I need to inform you about this verse. First, to understand a Quranic verse, you need also to be acquainted with the Arabic history of the time when Islam came. This verse was revealed unto Prophet PBUH while the Islamic followers were engaged in the Battle of Tabuk. The battle was fought as a retaliation against the buildup attack on the city of Madinah by Byzantine Empire in the year 629.

It was also one of the first successful expansions of Islam in what is supposed to become a series of capturing major Arabian cities. Now, coming to the central aspect of the verse. The verse orders Muslims to fight those idolaters (and also those hypocrites who are the enemy within) when the sacred month is passed because fighting in a holy month is not allowed.

The Byzentiniam force consists of many Arabian allies in those regions that were pagan or either some people of the book as well (Christian, Jews) who are fighting alongside the forces of King Heraclius of Rome to demolish growing Muslim influence in Arabia. So, God ordered Muslims to fight those people so that Muslims may not be outdone and be killed or their tribe eliminated along with the prophet. The fight was a defensive one.

Now, in the last focus of this ayah, God also orders Muslims that if among the enemy, anyone who repents and eliminate the intention to assault Muslims, and better if they pray and give zakah (charity to poor), then the Muslims are not allowed to have any evil intentions against them as well and or find means to fight them at all. God is without a doubt merciful and loves forgiveness.

You can read more on this Battle and the time of the revelation on these links:

the time Muhammad spoke the passage he had enough power to dominate and crush the remaining Pagan tribes within the Hijaz, so he used it. He used his ever growing power and placed his rough noose of Islam around their necks. Pagans were forced to join Islam or die. This is not self defense.

Some observations:

Muhammad was the aggressor (9:2, 3, 5), this passage is an edict for war. Muhammad gave instructions to his followers to defend if attacked, but to also go out and attack all Pagans once the sacred months were completed.
Muhammad was a truce breaker. The Pagans did not break all the truces. Muhammad claimed that God gave him a "revelation" allowing him to lie and break his word, i.e. the truces, stated in 9:1: "A declaration of immunity from God and His apostle to the idolaters with whom you have made agreements", and described as "A discharge came down, permitting the breaking of the agreement between the apostle and the polytheists". The materials state that it was Muhammad who broke all truces except those few he had with specific tribes or individuals for a limited time. When the sacred months were ended, those truces would also end. Muhammad would now be at war with all polytheistic tribes including those who had been peaceful. Had the Pagans broken the truces there would be no need for Muhammad to get a revelation to break them for they would already have been broken. Further, the Pagans were weak and demoralized and they were not about to start a war with the mighty Muhammad. Also note that Muhammad did not make an effort to renew the truce with the peaceful tribes, rather he initiated a state of war.
Muhammad used compulsion to force people to convert to Islam: 9:5, "…If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way.". The verse describes conversion to Islam. The Pagans were going to be murdered if they did not convert. People tend to define religious conversion at the point of the sword as "compulsion."
Muhammad commanded murder and terrorism for Islam, 9:5, 6, "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them", described as "one of those whom I have ordered you to kill,"…. Once the sacred months ended it was open season on the Pagans. They were going to be attacked, hounded, ambushed, captured, terrorized, and murdered by the Muslims. Muslim terrorists today do what this verse commands.

So don't tell me it was a defensive war bullsht

adm212144:
And please why can't you leave this people and their religion .

Well, the people have refused to let seemingly peaceful nation be. They keep spreading terror and history has it that's the way the religion spreads, terror and procreation.

adm212144:
And Why are you making the religion so envious .there are so many blunders in your bible too but most Muslim careless because they want the world to be at peace but why most Christians like to criticize Muslim?

Understand me, there are loads of peace loving Muslims but without doubt they're going contrary to what the Koran clearly teaches. The criticism is on the Koran and the extremist and the dishonest Muslim who wants to cover the truth. Not the genuinely ignorant bunch.

adm212144:
Why are you making things uncomfortable for yourselves ?wasting your precious time promoting religious war .Any attack in the north Muslim ,I won't be surprised if you come up with a story that Muslim is responsible for killings in the east too .bunch of fools

. Muhammad promoted religious war. The Koran promotes religious war. We just call a spade a spade and you are obviously uncomfortable

adm212144:
to your own understanding Christians and Jews are Idolators too ?

Ofcourse not, the permit to kill in the Koran goes beyond just christians and Jews.

Christians are killed, Jews are killed, idol worshipers are killed, apostates are killed, atheists are killed. Believers who looks like they'll become unbelievers are killed. Homosexuals are killed, Fornicators are killed. Adulterers are killed, say anything against the prophet you are killed. Blasphemers are killed. The list goes on...

adm212144:
Was Christian and Jewish also mentioned or you formed it ?if you formed it ,it shows you are not sensible at all

Adamuuuuu you don't know the people your Koran refers to as the people of the books?

Wow...

adm212144:
lol No 1 olodo .No wonder you are quoting fake Quran and Hadith here and there .promoting religious chaos .

You know nothing and have refused to learn. But I make it easier for you

Is this a fake surah?

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, (which is Islam that abolishes all other religions ) of the people of the Book, (meaning the Jews and the Christians ) until they pay the Jizya (the tax imposed upon them) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. (with humiliation and submission to the government of Islam.) 9:29

How about this

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful." Sura 9:5

Let's start with these. Kindly explain what they mean

adm212144:
I'm surprised when Islam has become the envy of some people here .Any small thing they will start checking their fake Quran and Hadith .we have many scumbag in this country oo.Leave Islam for the Muslim .I won't be surprised i they start saying IPOB too is controlled by Muslim ?Thank God the whole area is known for Christianity and the killings is Christian killing Christian .LOL

You guys clearly breed ignorance in your mosques...

The Koran is clearly quoted with reference for anyone to check and confirm but you are too scared to see the errors in your faith yourself.

Atleast get an English Koran and read up yourself less you perish in your ignorance.

I am a Christian but I have searched through the Koran myself to see if the terrible things people about Islam is true. Before I even went through surah Al-Baqara, I saw loads of craziness that made me wonder how people still blindly followed this craziness

adm212144:
please define act of terrorism upside down professor.

I should define terrorism for you because you have never seen a dictionary in your life. Get one, look it up and get back here.

adm212144:
Good talk .Don't mind the bigot writing rubbish .only God knows when they will be able to distinguish between man and religion . everything is all about Muslim ,Islam .if it's Christian they won't talk .When George Floyd was killed ,no wailing .many attacks that recently happen in American ,they all shut their mouth .How do we justify killings that happened in a church in North Carolina by a member of a church ?

Either you are an adamuuuuu, or you are intentionally ignorant. Name one terror group or act done in the name of Jesus and backed up by the new covenant.

The Qur'an declares:

Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers! (3:151)

Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. (8:12-13)

Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. (8:59-60)

And Allah turned back the Unbelievers for (all) their fury: no advantage did they gain; and enough is Allah for the believers in their fight. And Allah is full of Strength, able to enforce His Will. And those of the People of the Book who aided them - Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things. (33:25-27)

It is He Who got out the Unbelievers among the People of the Book from their homes at the first gathering (of the forces). Little did ye think that they would get out: And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But the (Wrath of) Allah came to them from quarters from which they little expected (it), and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their dwellings by their own hands and the hands of the Believers, take warning, then, O ye with eyes (to see)! (59:2)

That is because they resisted Allah and His Messenger: And if any one resists Allah, verily, Allah is severe in punishment. (59:4)

Of a truth ye are stronger (than they) because of the terror in their hearts, (sent) by Allah. This is because they are men devoid of understanding. (59:13)

Reading those verses it becomes clear that even though it is Allah who casts the terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, he does so by the action of the Muslims: ... smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them ... Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies ... some ye slew, and some ye

ThatFairGuy:
Nonsense. Quote one verse you're saying trash. That's because nothing as such in the Qur'an but THEY SAY, THEY SAY you also believe. I'm a

ThatFairGuy:
Olodo rabata

For your info, Qur'an can not be changed because our Lord does not change.

Besides you and helinues can point out where Qur'an ask the so called convert to do so. Point it out, I'm expecting

You asked for it

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, (which is Islam that abolishes all other religions ) of the people of the Book, (meaning the Jews and the Christians ) until they pay the Jizya (the tax imposed upon them) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. (with humiliation and submission to the government of Islam.) 9:29 ." (Commentary in parenthesis is from the Tafsir Al-Jalalein. i.e., Al-Jalalein Interpretation of the Koran.)

The order to kill Christians and Jews is in that verse. It is clear that Muhammad ordered his followers to fight those Christians and Jews to convert them or pay the Jizya, and if they don't convert or pay, do you think that he told the followers to let them go in peace? It is very clear: convert... or pay with submission ... or die.

The background for this is found in "The Life of Muhammad", op cit, page 620,

"...."until they [the Jews and Christians] pay the poll tax out of hand being humbled", i.e. as a compensation for what you fear to lose by the closing of the markets. God gave them compensation for what He cut off from them in their former polytheism by what He gave them by way of poll tax from the people of Scripture."


Muhammad told his followers to attack the Jews and Christians. If they humble themselves and submit to the Muslims, but choose to remain Christian or Jewish, then they would have to pay the Muslims. Again, Muhammad's circumstances changed - Allah changed. Now Muhammad was an extortionist.

Also note that the tax levied upon the Christians and Jews was not to support the state in general affairs, it was to compensate the Muslims. Muhammad was exactly like Mafia crime boss, making others pay for "protection".... except, the Christians and Jews really needed protection from the Muslims!



Here is the verse in the Quran that teaches Muslims to attack and kill pagans:

"When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful." Sura 9:5

The background for this verse is found in "The Life of Muhammad", op cit, page 617-619. Note my comments are in [ ] type brackets, and that it is a very long passage, so I have only quoted part of it:

"A discharge came down, [Muhammad received a supposed revelation from God], permitting the breaking of the agreement between the apostle and the polytheists that none should be kept back from the temple when he came to it, and that none need fear during the sacred months. That there was a general agreement between him and the polytheists; meanwhile there were particular agreements between the apostle and the Arab tribes for specified terms. And there came down about it and about the disaffected who held back from him in the raid on Tabuk, [a Christian town Muhammad attacked, and forced them to pay him], .....So travel through the land for four months and know that you cannot escape God and that God will put the unbelievers to shame. And a proclamation from God and His apostle to men on the day of the greater pilgrimage that God and His apostle are free from obligation to the polytheists, i.e., after this pilgrimage. So if you repent it will be better for you; and if you turn back know that you cannot escape God. Inform those who disbelieve, about a painful punishment except those polytheists with whom you have made a treaty.
.....If one of the polytheists, i.e. one of those whom I have ordered you to kill, asks your protection, give it him so that he may hear the word of God; then convey him to his place of safety.

END OF QUOTE


Basically, Muhammad had an agreement with a number of Arab tribes. Some were peaceful with him, others disliked him. "Allah" gave Muhammad a "revelation" allowing him to break his word, the "agreement" with the pagan Arabs and attack them after the four sacred months were over. Once again, Muhammad had gained power, and things changed. Now Muhammad was permitted to lie, i.e., break his agreement, and make war upon the pagans. Muhammad's circumstances changed - Allah changed again.

Note that in the last quoted paragraph, it is supposed to be God telling the Muslims to go out and kill people. Some of these people had gotten along peacefully with the Muslims. But because they didn't follow Muhammad, they were going to be attacked.




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ISLAMIC TERRORISM UPON MUSLIMS WHO LEAVE ISLAM

Muhammad was not content to conquer by force, or kill those who merely opposed him verbally. Muhammad also taught that Muslims who leave the Islamic faith are to be murdered as well. Here are some quotes from Bukhari's collection of Hadith. Remember, Bukhari's Hadith is the second most important writing in Islam, following the Quran.


Bukhari, volume 9, #17

"Narrated Abdullah: Allah's Messenger said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed except in three cases: in Qisas (equality in punishment) for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (Apostate) and leaves the Muslims."


Bukhari volume 9, #57

Narrated Ikrima, "Some atheists were brought to Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's messenger forbade it, saying, "Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire)." I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Bukhari volume 9, #64

Narrated Ali, "Whenever I tell you a narration from Allah's messenger, by Allah, I would rather fall down from the sky, then ascribe a false statement to him, but if I tell you something between me and you, (not a Hadith), then it was indeed a trick (i.e., I may say things just to cheat my enemy). No doubt I heard Allah's messenger saying, "During the last days there will appear some young foolish people, who will say the best words, but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will leave the faith) and will go out from their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection."


Not only did Muhammad teach that Muslims are to murder those who have left Islam, "wherever you find them", he further taught that a Muslim who commits this type of murder will be doing God's service and be rewarded!

Lovenorth:
My friend tell me the origin of new testament or keep quite

Islam can never survive open criticism. You can't shut the truth. The mistake you made is to finally translate the Koran to other languages.

Lovenorth:
'New testament' the one that was written by Paul the Apostle and the western world after the 'death' of Jesus?. New testament have no authenticity or origin it's more of an unverified news report.

You are being a town crier. Whether it was written by the finger of God or an insane lunatic with suicidal tendencies felt he got the message through an angel. The fact is these books are taken as guides in our world today.

The bible is followed by billions. Why haven't anyone gone on a killing rampage and blame the bible for it. But rather it's all Islam.

And you are not negating their kill orders gotten from the Koran rather you are saying the media should cover the religion's mess.

Lovenorth:
This convert that you linked to Islam did he tell you that he did the offense because of Islam? We all know that Hitler was a devoted Christian and there is nothing you can tell me to change the fact that he did the terrorism because of Christianity.

Show me one place in the Bible especially the new testament that insights violence and I'll show you 50 clear cut violence trigger in the Koran.

Hitler or whoever that does any violent act cannot base it on the Bible. It won't hold. But we all know the Koran is not excusable

ibrah04:
Wetin we no go hear for this world. Someone committed a gruesome act which led to the death of a number of persons and the next thing we hear is that he is a Muslim-convert. Who cares about his faith or belief just deal with him accordingly. Crime knows no religion.

You would like to think that. Did you read the part where they reported he had previously been radicalized or you just want to skip that and play the victim card.

The religion is clearly divided into those who honestly believe it's a religion of peace and those who believe the peace comes through oppression and war alone. They both draw their conviction from same book

GOTVee:
Even though I'm a born again Christian, I know the media will eventually blame Islam for the sin of one man. Why must we Christians influence the media against our Muslim counterparts? Must the religion of any criminal be mentioned before prosecution? This is irresponsible journalism and I condemn it entirely. We Christians and Muslims are one and we Nigerians living together in peace and harmony have shown that we Christians and Muslims can actually co-exist. There are bad Muslims just as we have bad Christians. Majority of serial killers and pedophiles in history are Christians but no Muslim will ever condemn Christianity because of the sins of few Christians. We Christians really have a lot to learn from our Muslim brothers concerning tolerance

You are clearly not a Christian but I stand corrected if you can confess here that Jesus is the son of God and he died for your sins�

I agree with you that The religion of a criminal doesn't need to be mentioned ofcourse except if the criminal does it in the name of the religion and the criminal is right by eyes of the god of his religion as clearly stated in their holy god book