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fredoooooo:
Ref tried to balance the game and favor us . Reason why he give yellow.
But their bench and fans mount pressure from outside

He judged it as yellow because it's never a red card offense.

airmark:
You must always defend rubbish. Na black and white TV you dey use?

You must always type rubbish as expected.

Our Centerbacks are so weak.

This block we have is not compact at all. The hell is this. At least be compact or press.

That's never a red card.

airmark:
[s] You are comparing Barca in La liga to Liverpool in Epl. I'm not sure you did logic in school.

Atletico Madrid have impressive number of clean sheets than Barca and they have only conceded 27 goals to Barca's 33 goals. As it stands they have the best defence in La liga based on your criteria. Can you now tell me why Barca is leading them with 12 points? They should be winning the league easy based on their strong defence with highest number of clean sheets.

Data in your hand - useless. [/s]

I knew you would score an own goal as usual. Barcelona recent defensive rigidity with Sczenzy in goal is actually why Barca is going to win the league. Sczenzy has 7 clean sheets in 13league game for barca. 12wins, 1 draw, zero L and 7 cleansheets in 13 games with him. Before Sczenzy Barca played 20games, won 12, lost 5, drew 4, they had only 4 cleansheets in those 20games which explains why they were languishing in 3rd position 7points behind Madrid. They were 4 games without a league win until Sczenzy was made number 1. This was the league table at matchday 20 before Sczenzy was made number 1 against Valencia the next game.

Like i said having a discussion with you is always a waste of time. You are always getting schooled.

When you are done talking about Barcelona shitty defense who by the way have conceded less league goals than Liverpool, you should also point us to Napoli who are marching on to the league title with the most clean sheet and best defense in Italy.

Singapore1:
anytime e no get anything sensible to say again he result to insults

we gave you at least 3 top teams playing without striker, you dey vex

Airmark is not the brightest bulb in the box so stop wasting your time.

And it's over.

zeez7:
Unlike you a stats and livescore merchant, I watched the game. The only difficult save you can credit to raya was the very awful penda vitinha took. Donna on the other hand, made 3 world class saves
One saka top corner
Odegaards powerful shot from the edge of the box
Then martinelli's close tap in from the goalies area. Stop misleading people here please

All football analysis website from Sofascore to fotmob and Whoscored gave Raya an higher rating than Donna. Raya prevented more goals, made more saves from inside the box. All relevant stats points to Raya making more difficult saves but whatever floats your boat its cool.

These are the comments that started the discussion last year January. You can all see the argument was about improving our defensive play just like how our attack improved when compared to the previous season and striking a balance. Popi is trying to gaslight newbies into thinking that was never part of the discussion.

https://www.nairaland.com/920248/official-chelsea-fan-thread-champions/18599

Kimbeast:
We should be more concerned with our defense that has conceded only 7 less goals than Luton. 3 clean sheets in our last 16 premier league matches.

Kimbeast:
A renowned coach once said Attack wins you games, defence wins you titles for a reason. Our attack and chance creation is one of the best in the league while our defense is amongst the worst. We have only conceded 7 less goals than freaking Luton. That should tell you how pitiful our defense have been. We have watched this team on multiple occasions dominate opponents only for our defense to slip up and concede silly goals. Last season we scored 38goals in the whole campaign while we have 35goals already in 21matches which shows a massive improvement but our defense has gotten even worst. Last year we conceded 47goals, with the 31goals we have conceded already we are going to surpass that if our defense doesn't improve. Only an amateur won't see our defense has been worst than our attack this season.

timbros:
We just need to strike a balance between this attack and defense thing.

If you score 5 goals in a match and concede 6, will you praise your attack for scoring 5 in a match or will you blame you defense for conceding 6?

Conversely,if you concede just 1 goal but scored zero, will you praise your defense for being tight enough to concede "just" 1 goal or will you blame your attack for not being able to score any?

While our attack need massive improvement to convert chances created, our defense also need to tighten up. Individual errors in defense have cost us a lot this season. So yes, defense is also our problem.

In 2004/05 when Mourinho broke the record of least goals conceded in the league, we scored 72 goals. Arsenal in second scored 87..... The amount of 1-0 matches we played that season was uncountable.

2020/21 when Tuchel won us UCL, we conceded just 4 goals all campaign. 4 goals in 13 matches!

Make una no dey underrate the importance of defense in football.

BlueRayDick:
Na u gangan talk the truth of the matter; both defence and attack are very important. A balance of both is why Man City keeps dominating the league

popizaino:
It's so funny reading comments from timbros and BlueRayDick trying to gaslight readers on their initial premises on the defence and attack debates.

There is nothing balance about the inter-Milan teams at least not according to your initial premises or have you forgotten how it all started?

It all started when my team Chelsea started throwing away two goals lead and inspite of that i and airmark tries to fault our attack for not converting their clear cut chances.

What did we get in response to this was how we shouldn't blame our attack but blame our porous defence who allowed two goals to slip through their nets,also sighting examples of how a defensively great teams like inter Milan and your team with impenetrable defence of Saliba and Gabriel would defend a single goal lead talkmore of two.

Now those theories of yours has been rubbished by both your team and inter-Milan has they have thrown a two goals lead and you are coming to talk about balance.

Where was this balance when you were telling us a good defence like inter-milan and Arsenal need just a single goal from their attack to see a match through?

Balance injure both of you there.

You can only gaslight newbies that didn't follow the discussion from it's inception. Stop lying through your teeth.

Jamiuokolaa:
The goalkeepers you mentioned did not significantly influence top tier fixtures like we saw in the just concluded semis...

Valdez, as rubbish as he was, also had numerous CL semis and finals, remember?

Yet they made it to the finals on numerous occasions. You are proving my point.

Jamiuokolaa:
If a goalkeeper is average at Saving shots and very good with the ball at his feet, how would he make the difference like we saw with Inter, PSG few days ago and indeed, all legendary goalies?

You cannot be consistently synonymous with such spectacular saves if you are average at shot saving nau..abi?

The point is you can achieve the same outcome with a decent shot stopper that's elite with ball playing. Ederson has the same champions league final appearance as Allison, Inter Milan went to the same final with Onana. That should answer your question.

zeez7:
Raya made more difficult saves

Are you done?

AirBere:
It's not straightforward but a goal keeper who can stop shots with minimal ball playing skills trumps a goal keeper who can pass the ball with weak shot stopping abilities. Nobody will rate Valdez higher than Chzeh who was clueless with the ball. Degea is a better all round keeper compared to Onana.

The fact that Enrique who's more obsessed with ball playing keepers has kept faith in Dona who's very average with the ball but with elite shot stoping skills shows it all.

In my team, I'll prefer Petr Czech in 2025 to Ederson, Onana anytime, any day.

How did Raya make more difficult saves bruh?

The point is you can be successful with either as long as they are not error prone.

Let's compare Ederson at city and Allison at Liverpool. Ederson has more trophies, more golden gloves award, same champions league final appearance, same amount of champions league titles won.

Liverpool having the better shot stopper has not stopped city from winning more.

Penalty from Vitinha, one on one from Barcola etc Raya gP(goals prevented) is also 1.58 compared to Donnarumma 0.8.

andrewbaba44:
Pep made everyone looked foolish to the extent of looking for ball playing GK with lesser ball stopping abilities

Donnaruma and yan sommer don show us the real job of GK for this ucl 2 semis wey we watch ,just like Peter Cech and co use to do then

Na still this same yeye ball playing is one of the reason Man U kicked out de gea for onana

At the end of the day ball playing shouldn’t be the main thing of a GK but shot stopping abilities .

Inter Milan used Onana to reach champions league finals just two years back. Pep with Ederson also reached two champions league finals. Even yesterday Raya made more difficult saves than Donnarumma yet no one is praising him because his team lost. The same De gea was crap for Spain conceding goals left and right when needed. It's never straight forward like you are painting it to be.

AirBere:
Okay. But I feel he wins it if PSG wins the UCL. Club world cup is there and PSG in my opinion will be front runners too.

Yes you are right. Another player with an outside chance is Lautaro Martinez if inter wins the champions league and he delivers in the final. He scored home and away against Bayern, scored against Barca as well plus he won't share vote with anyone as he is clearly regarded as inters best player.

AirBere:
Dembele winning balodnor will be so funny not gonna lie but if PSG go all the way, thennit becomes reality oo lol 😂😂😂

Even if Psg wins the champions league he's not going to win it. Maybe a top 3 finish at most.

AirBere:
Valid arguments for UCL.

I've watched Barca this season solely because of Flick. I've seen Barca with Ralph minus Yamal. Team looked clueless as fcck. I've seen Barca without Ralph plus Yamal, team played better, won but without much bite. I feel they would've won the domestic trophies without him but flop in UCL.

Yamal is clearly the best player at Barca in my opinion.

So Dembele it is.

Barca has only played two games without Raphinha this season across league and champions league. You are definitely not being truthful

Gucciboy:
The winning team or runners up has always produced the best players in every tournament that's a fact.

And Don't be stupid because there's no way a south American (raphinha) is winning European player of the year ,

*Face palm*

Gucciboy:
Exactly , Dembele has more chances to win it than anyone.

No one is voting Dembele as the best player in the world. Raphinha is currently the favourite as he will win champions league best player plus maybe European player of the year.

andrewbaba44:
Winning Lower grade competitions for teams that spent 1 billion on players is not a flex 🤣🤣🤣

Man united squad is more expensive than the whole teams in Europa league combined

Won’t even say much about Chelsea ,caciedo and enzo alone is more expensive than the whole conference league teams combined .

Have a wonderful night man

When Barcelona was the most expensive team in the Europa league they didn't win it so I don't know why you are bringing that up.

At the end of season English clubs would have won 2/3 European competition.

Have a wonderful night as well.

andrewbaba44:
Psg from farmers league as they do say sent home the following clubs

Aston Villa
Arsenal
Looserpool

Still disgraced mancity at the group stage

At least it will be an all English Europa league final plus Chelsea winning the conference league.

Singapore1:
PSG defeated all the English rep

❌ Man City
❌ Liverpool
❌Aston Villa
❌ Arsenal

Technically you are wrong.

They lost to Aston villa and Arsenal this season.

I am surprised by Enrique approach at home. Well job done.

Other clubs have wingers dropping 30goals in a season while our own wingers are struggling to score 8 league goals combined. It is what it is

DeeScan:
Salah has the EPL in bag already ..

He is still a contender, heck a top one ..


Don't be shocked if he wins it ..

Gbaphinha no fit smell in the years to come ...

Let's be honest Raphinha has had a better season than Salah. 57 goal and assists is insane stats for a winger that doesn't even take penalties. Champions league top scorer and top assister as well. He has also created the most chances and clear cut chances in the competition.

patrickmuf:
India bombs parts of Kashmir administered by Pakistan in response to the terrorist attack in parts of Kashmir administered by India some 2 weeks ago...

Another wahala loading...

Pakistan have already retaliated. The attack was on mainland and not just administered kashmir.

Jamiuokolaa:
Was it inter's defence that conceded 6 goals over 2 legs that made them qualify for the final?

Was it Barcelona defense that knocked them out?

fredoooooo:
Bro.... A player with his creativity is allow to do that. As you can see no one on the field says anything .. they know he can create something from nothing .

Nobody is allowed to do something that reckless now it has cost them.