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Christianity Etc › Re: Is There A Need For Pastors To Have A Sound Biblical And Theological Education? by Krayola2(m): 2:26pm On Sep 10, 2009

How/why is Paul's "God told me" different from anybody else's?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Krayola2(m): 12:45pm On Sep 10, 2009

ok. if u say so.

Derby next weekend. . . BE VERY AFRAID. Ade just got his own shopping mall shocked

. . . his self esteem just went thru the roof. . Tevez is king of the city. . .

We'll see u when we see u cool

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Krayola2(m): 12:34pm On Sep 10, 2009

~Sauron~:
SPURS taking all the 3 points?
Osama has a better chance of becoming the Pope.

haha. Osama doesn't want to be pope. . .he wants to stick a scud missile up the pope's ass. If Burnley can mop the floor with u why can't the Tottenham blazing hotspur? Remember it took a lot of luck for y'all to beat Arsenal. . . U guys look worse and worse after every game. U should be worried. . .

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Manchester United Fan Thread by Krayola2(m): 12:24pm On Sep 10, 2009

~Sauron~:
We should nail SPURS.
Rio Ferdinand is ready. . . . . .Wes Brown, Fabio and Gary Neville are all rearing to go.

So is Berbatov. . . . I wouldn't be so sure if i were u.

Spurs is taking the 3 points. I'd put money on it, but i no get. u fit borrow me? . .i'll pay u back after the game wink

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Manchester City Fan Thread!! by Krayola2(op): 12:19pm On Sep 10, 2009

We're takin over the city!!!! Money pass money. . .and this one no be gbese. . . na crude oil in motion. Arab Money!! U wan try?

WHo r u, United? NOBODY!!! cool

HNIC, thanks mehn, u be correct guy grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Olabowale Buys Christianity From Noetic: Can Olabowale Sell Islam? by Krayola2(m): 4:01am On Sep 10, 2009

some versions call them "God-fearers". . . who do u think they were?

Christianity Etc › Re: Olabowale Buys Christianity From Noetic: Can Olabowale Sell Islam? by Krayola2(m): 3:48am On Sep 10, 2009

noetic2:
my position on matters like this is to follow literal biblical explanations except for instances where symbols are used in the prophecy. . .then one needs the appropriate knowledge to know the meaning of the symbols before interpreting the prophecy.

Aight. But do u think those that don't take it literally are not true christians?

Christianity Etc › Re: Olabowale Buys Christianity From Noetic: Can Olabowale Sell Islam? by Krayola2(m): 3:43am On Sep 10, 2009

noetic2:
3. The God-worshippers, if I understand your point. . .are those who worship the father (in acknowledgement of the son) in spirit and in truth.

SO they are the early Christians, Paul's original converts etc ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Olabowale Buys Christianity From Noetic: Can Olabowale Sell Islam? by Krayola2(m): 3:38am On Sep 10, 2009

Some believe it is symbolic. e.g. That it means that good will ultimately triumph over evil, no matter how powerful the evil may appear to be; and not an actual future event that will involve creatures as described in the bible.

Christianity Etc › Re: Olabowale Buys Christianity From Noetic: Can Olabowale Sell Islam? by Krayola2(m): 2:12am On Sep 10, 2009

aight. thanks.

Christians that do not believe it is literally true that trumpets will blow, and some celestial battle with angels, beasts, etc will happen, are not real Christians?

Christianity Etc › Re: Olabowale Buys Christianity From Noetic: Can Olabowale Sell Islam? by Krayola2(m): 12:17am On Sep 10, 2009

noetic2:
has the target audience had a problem with the bible? has the church complained about the bible. . .the answer is a NO.
It is only when non members attempt to apply the bible to their primordial dogmatic belief that there is a problem of interpretation of bible.

There have always been disagreement over which Gospels had authority. . .right from the start. Which is why people had to vote on the canon. Even after the vote there were grievances.

Which church do u refer to as having no qualms with the Bible ? The Catholic church, coptic, gnostic etc, or the ones that came about about 1200 years later because of their different understanding of the Bible? Which one(s), in your opinion, have the right interpretation, and why?

Were Nigerians part of the target audience?

In your opinion, who were the target audiences and what message did the authors seek to convey to them?

U said the events in the new testament occured just as recorded, and then go on to say it is not a historical document, i'm not sure what u mean.

Who are the "God-worshippers" mentioned in the new-testament?

Christianity Etc › Re: Olabowale Buys Christianity From Noetic: Can Olabowale Sell Islam? by Krayola2(m): 6:53pm On Sep 09, 2009

noetic2:
read john 17:3

thanks.

Do u think everything the new testament says happened actually did happen? e.g. That the authors of the Gospels (In the case of John about a century after Jesus) rightly quoted Jesus word for word and never imposed their own beliefs on him. Can u tell this just by reading the bible? Is the Bible infallible (like it's authors and people who compiled it). Just want ur opinion. .

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Barcelona Fans Thread by Krayola2(m): 2:01pm On Sep 09, 2009

segunpc:
so na who be the master?

The team that didn't have to spend over 200mil to keep up with the competition that won 5 trophies, something that the entire Madrid population masturbates over, while breaking pretty much almost every attacking record in Spain.

Nigeria has won more globally than any African country . . . . Tell that to the Tunisians.

History is for bored geeks. Whats poppin right now . . . . ? (not in your imagination, i mean in the real world - the ones that's colored BLAUGRANA!! cool

Christianity Etc › Re: Olabowale Buys Christianity From Noetic: Can Olabowale Sell Islam? by Krayola2(m): 11:33pm On Sep 08, 2009

@Noetic. . .did jesus refer to himself as "christ", or was that a title used to refer to him, by SOME of his followers, after his death?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Manchester City Fan Thread!! by Krayola2(op): 10:07pm On Sep 08, 2009

As long as he's available against United I'm fine. Bellamy is a decent player, and I trust Arsenal to implode under pressure.

we go show them pepper cool

HNIC:
This is sad news for Kuwait Citeh.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Every Rational Person Must Accept Evolution. by Krayola2(m): 8:30pm On Sep 08, 2009

Deep Sight:
Nevertheless, untill you can show me anywhere in the fossil record where there appears a giraffe with a neck half or two thirds the length of the neck of a modern giraffe (in order to show intermediate evolutionary progression), there remain questions to be answered by the Evolution Theory.

Are you also able to show fossils with half developed limbs (e.g fish on the intermediate progression into reptiles).

Or do you imagine the legs would have sprung out suddenly one sunny day in June.

There must be fossils showing intermediate stages otherwise there are problems. . .

If u can sit thru all 6 parts, it's pretty cool shit

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists: Empirical Reasoning For The Existence Of God by Krayola2(m): 8:10pm On Sep 08, 2009

Deep Sight:
Remember the point was not simply - its complex so it must have a designer?

The point was -

Design + Purpose = Verifiable Intelligence.

I think it depends on vantage point.

Sometimes accidents/flukes can have stunning consequences. .

e.g 2 off duty FBI agents on their way to meet up with escorts/prostitutes for sex, in a hotel room, enter the wrong room and make the biggest drug bust of their careers. From their point of view, it was just an accident; but the busted drug dealers may think it was several months of investigation and surveillance. (haha. . .hope this tacky analogy gets my point across)

That something seemingly has a design or purpose does not make it so. It could be that we don't like to feel worthless in this vast universe, so it makes us feel better to think that we have a purpose, and were designed for the purpose.

Deep Sight:
There are already celestial bodies in the cosmos more intriguing than laptops or micro chips. so we needn't wait, Krayola.

I'm in awe of the universe. It's mind blowing when u actually look at some of the stuff thats out there. But i never underestimate human intellectual potential. As long as we don't blow up the earth in some nuclear war, I believe we'll explore the universe, and one day have a better understanding of what is out there. Till then, lets not force answers on the questions we have

The God I deny is the God of religion (bible, Koran etc). If all u were saying was that there "COULD" be a designer, i'd totally agree with u. But i can't make that affirmation that there is one based on my own experiences of the universe. That'll be me imposing my own need for "validtion"/feeling of emptiness etc. on the evidence.

Deep Sight:
I know the Micro Chip is designed because it shows structure and purpose.

I know the microchip was designed because it does not appear in nature, can do complex stuff and the discovery channel said so grin

.

If i had never seen a microchip before, and had no idea what it's purpose was,etc i wouldn't assume it had a designer.

Deep Sight:
These are the same premises that lead me to assert that the Milky Way Galaxy, for example, is designed.

What do you say about the spiral DNA framework. Are you familiar with its workings?
[b]
Are you aware that its workings far exceed those of the largest computers in existence.
[/b]If you believe that a computer cannot exist without intelligent design, how reasonable is it to contend that objects of far greater intricacy, structure and design can exist by chance.

do they make mistakes? genetic defects? meteors flying into planets destroying life? etc. It depends on how u look at it. there are a lot of things that could have been designed better. It might as well all be an accident.

I think there is as good a case for an incompetent designer, or multiple designers,as there is for a great designer. I don't think there was a designer. I think the universe just is. . . Does it have a purpose, possibly. . .but i think that may be where all of evolution (of the entire universe) is headed. We don't have a clue yet. 500 years from now we'll be a bunch of ancient clueless minds that didnt know anything about nything. Humans could be going on vacation in neptune. . who the fukc knows?

i think we need to just chill out, forget about this designer guy, and feed the starvin kids grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists: Empirical Reasoning For The Existence Of God by Krayola2(m): 7:21pm On Sep 08, 2009

Deep Sight:
Okay. So why did you conclude that the Laptop was designed?

AND BEFORE YOU TELL ME ITS BECAUSE YOU OBSERVED THAT, WHAT WOULD YOU CONCLUDE ABOUT A LAPTOP OR MICROCHIP THAT YOU FIND ON THE PLANET NEPTUNE?

Popped out of nowhere?

Or designed?

P.S: The mere fact that you have heard an argument before does not mean it holds no water.

Because i know the laptop was designed. SO do u.

When someone finds a microchip on neptune, we'll discuss that.

That is why i'm hearing u out. I apologize if that comment came out wrong. I just meant that i was really curious to know where u were comin from. I'm always eager to hear new stuff. . .but the "it's complex so it must have a designer" isn't new. I'm still willing to hear u out though. And i'm pretty gullible as long as something makes sense to me

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists: Empirical Reasoning For The Existence Of God by Krayola2(m): 7:13pm On Sep 08, 2009

haha.

I thought u had some argument we hadn't heard before

What is "illogical",imo, are the irrational techniques of persuasion that u are using.

Please make me a list of things these have in common (laptop, microchip, dna, cell, human), and i promise to make u a list 2 or three times as long with things they do not have in common. So how this analogy of yours is goin to work is still a mystery to me.

If i drink a small keg of water, toss the keg, and it happens to fall upright. . .rain falls and fills the keg. Two days later someone sees the keg and assumed someone must have purposely filled it with water. Would that be a logical conclusion to make?

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists: Empirical Reasoning For The Existence Of God by Krayola2(m): 6:57pm On Sep 08, 2009

Deep Sight:
But this did not?

Which is more complex. Which is a greater intricate wonder. Which is more built for purpose?

Not necessarily. . .

complex relative to what? . .they are 2 very different things. What is more complex a plasma tv or a wrist watch?

I don't know if DNA was built (assuming that would be begging the question, big time). I'd say the laptop was built for sure though. . .for purpose. .

Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims; What If In The End Atheist Happens To Be Right ? by Krayola2(m): 6:16pm On Sep 08, 2009

Deep Sight:
But this needed a designer?

Which is more complex?

The laptop was designed.

I'm not sure which is more complex (I ain't no biologist or scientist), but I'll say the DNA thingy is.

Romance › Re: What Are The Benefits Of Staying With One Partner by Krayola2(m): 5:58pm On Sep 08, 2009

@ Topic. .from my experience, NONE!!

Just be safe and don't get caught wink

Christianity Etc › Re: Christians And Muslims; What If In The End Atheist Happens To Be Right ? by Krayola2(m): 5:52pm On Sep 08, 2009

Deep Sight:
Did not need a designer?

Not necessarily, IMO

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions For Evolutionists And Atheists by Krayola2(m): 5:36pm On Sep 08, 2009

Banderas:
There are too many ways to fit it. Too many.

Stop quoting other people - I know for sure that you don't write like that. Produce independent thought.

Dust of the ground? Straight evolution there.

Woman from man? Fish -> amphibians -> etc

You do know frogs and some lesser lizards still change sex several times within their life cycles, don't you?

Seriously, O Christian, why do you constantly choose to limit God, to box him into a book?? A book of a few thousand pages, defining the entire creation of the world?

Are you really serious?

Christianity Etc › Re: Back On Track, Jack by Krayola2(m): 5:33pm On Sep 08, 2009

Pastor I get big big kweshun for u. . should i open a new thread or is this the official Pastor Q&A thread? It is sumn about African traditional religion

Christianity Etc › Re: Mazaje When Did You Leave Christianity? by Krayola2(m): 5:30pm On Sep 08, 2009

haha

IMO it is easier to impose an explanation on something than to be patient and humble enough to find one.

I'm open to any idea, however ridiculous. I'm willing to entertain any theory, ANYTHING, and give it serious consideration. What bothers me is when people claim they are some kind of TRUTH.

Christianity Etc › Re: Back On Track, Jack by Krayola2(m): 3:22pm On Sep 08, 2009

Pastor AIO:
ojo kan pelu,

Although I, by force of habit, often refer to myself as a christian I have repeatedly renounced it formally due to the fact that I believe that the word has become meaningless. If I call myself a christian does that mean that my beliefs are one with those of members of the pentecostal movements who also call themselves christians? Does that mean that I believe the same things as the Ku Klux Klan which is also a christian organisation? What I am is what I am and anyone interested will get a sense of what I believe from talking to me about it without categorising me in any box with a heap of people that I don't belong with.

I deny that you have ever seen me on any thread arguing vociferously (or even timidly) against the existence of God.

Against certain churches, yes, I've argued sometimes intensely and sometimes humourously.

Christianity Etc › Re: Back On Track, Jack by Krayola2(m): 12:52pm On Sep 08, 2009

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