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Lawag3:
Lebanon was never part of Palestine. Lebanese cities such as tyre and sidon existed along side the land of Israel. Only the land from Sinai end to the Lebanese and Syria border was renamed Palestine by the romans.


The middle east was never part of Africa and they is a natural divide between the middle east and Africa the map and you will see it

ur ignorance is only exceeded by ur ignorance

Lawag3:
Then you're wrong since when you're a child ask a Palestinian when did the nakbah happen they will tell you it happened during the war some might say after but non will say before the war.

Ask google or any Palestinian

Even if the death toll of the American bombing of Mosul is 1000 let's do the maths

1000×30=30000

30k×7= 210,000.


Till today the ICJ has not been able to tell the world how Israel is committing genocide. Because other wars have killed so much more people and are not genocidal.

ur ignorance is only exceeded by ur ignorance

Lawag3:
Yeah I know of the French policy of Assimilation and yes I agree it will be part of the EU buts that's not what you said the first time. This was what you said

if France had succeeded in its quest to expand into north africa, that part would have been called europe today.



And by the way maps don't fall from heaven but they are guided by geological boundaries like oceans rivers sometimes mountains this is especially true when it comes to continents.


Like India can never be a part of Europe just because somebody wants it or feels like it should be.

why india? u not considering proximity? India is too far and north Africa is rather very close to Europe.
france was the one, who created lebanon out of palestine. those folks can do anything. who told u that the map of africa could not have been tampered with at the height of colonialism? it was this same colonial masters who cut the middle east out of africa. they could do virtually anything they wished back den

Lawag3:
You're still posting your fake statics 15k people did not died in Deir Yassin the village as of 1948 wasn't up to 15k people now that's fact. The nakbah that 15k people did die and 500k people dead was during the Arab Israeli war.


I agree that Palestinians were killed in Yassin before the war began but they were only 107.


Now say this let me know you're delusional say the nakbah happened before the Arab Israeli war let me show you pro Palestinian Arabs who are saying what I'm saying that the nakbah happened during the war.

IBC project) compiles reported Iraqi civilian deaths resulting from war since the 2003 invasion and ensuing insurgency and civil war, including those caused directly by coalition military action, Iraqi military actions, the Iraqi insurgency, and those resulting from excess crime. The IBC maintains that the occupying authority has a responsibility to prevent these deaths under international law.

The IBC project has recorded a range of at least 125,194 – 208,167 total violent civilian deaths through June 2020 in their database.[8][19] The Iraq Body Count (IBC) project records its numbers based on a "comprehensive survey of commercial media and NGO-based reports, along with official records that have been released into the public sphere.
The IBC was also given access to the WikiLeaks disclosures of the Iraq War Logs.[9][87]

The IBC are a company that documents war and their causalities. I agree that their numbers are quite high higher than American estimates of the bombing of Mosul . They have a site and it's also on Wikipedia or WikiLeaks.



Then the word genocide should not exist because I could just kill like that n ten people and someone will call it a genocide.


Causalties of war is different from genocide. Every killing that have ever being tag a genocide is about mass killing a population of people. It only pro Hamas people that calls this a genocide

The war in Syria 500k people died was not called a genocide


Sudan 300k people died was not called a genocide


Nigerian civil war up to 3 million people died was no called a genocide.


What makes Gaza 35k dead a genocide.

Ok the Germans were the ones who kept count of the Jews they killed.

Every fact as long as it consiqns the Jews is falsified to you.

the first nakba happened before the war. i have known dat since i was a child. so, i dont know wot u are talking about. if u fail to include a proof to ur wild claims next time, then i wouldnt bother to reply to u again.
the casualties in mosul is not static. depends on who u ask. but certainly is not as enormous as ur source projected it to be.
as for genocide, u dont know more than the ICJ, that said israel is committing plusable genocide in gaza. thats all i will say

Lawag3:
You're poorly informed Norther Africa was already recognised as being part of Africa before France stated it's expansion even if it had succeed Northen African will still be part of Africa. It will just be a French territory in Africa.

Israel was banned from participating in any Asian football competition by the Asian football federation.


By the way Australian teams and national teams play the Asian cup and champions league even though they're not Asians so it's nothing new.

u mistake the french colonial doctrine of africa. france had no intention of having territories in africa. it wanted to have france in those african countries. they were to be part of france. if france had succeded, north africa, would have been part of EU. thats wot am saying. cos the loss of north africa, almost started a civil war in france.
israel is banned from partaking in asian football, then its europe they must compete in? why not africa, or south america? as for australia, i told u already, they have the same question to answer like israel

Lawag3:
Don't tell me I have been discussing with a dunce.

Instabul is a transcontinental city Istanbul is the largest city in Turkey, straddling the Bosporus Strait, the boundary between Europe and Asia


I did not talk about Tunisia and France.


For example let's say Tunisia joins the EU I don't care if the reasons is that they are close to Europe or whatever reasons

Does it make them Europeans same as Armenia even though they're in Asia but close to Europe does it make them Europeans


Then why does israel because they participated in the Eurovision a competition Australia also took part in now that makes them Europeans

Mind you Egypt, Morroco libya and Jordan will get debuts in the coming edition of Eurovision young musicians contest. But this those bot make them Europeans because they are not Jews.

i didnt know about the european status of istanbul earlier. i just checked. it so as u say.
nevertheless, u must understand that maps, were drawn by the colonial masters. people not god, decided who and who will be europe or not Europe. if France had succeeded in its quest to expand into north africa, that part would have been called europe today. this is significant cos i think u believe maps fell down from heaven.
as for Israel, its not just only eurovison. israel plays in UEFA champions league as well and indeed, all sporting competition they participate with european countries. so, is israel mideast or european? its valid question

Lawag3:
Just say you've been backed into a corner. Prove what I say as wrong.

And yes you lied deny any of the accusations of lies you've told


There were nine million Jews in Europe at the time of the holocaust

Hitler killed 6 million in less than two years


Almost 70% the population decreased during the time of the genocide. And the genocide of the Jews stop at the end of World War II. No more genocide of Jews the population has increased.


Same in Rwanda more 70% of the Tutsis were killed in less than a year the genocide stop almost 20 years ago Tutsi population has increased.


While the Palestinians were 1.5 million in 1948. 15k of them were killed less than one percent of the population in just a month of fighting. According to the Palestinians ethnic cleansing and genocide still continue from 1948 till now that is about 75 years of genocide.


Palestinian population was about 1.5 million when the genocide started is about 14 million today 75 years into that genocide.




The one in Gaza is also genocide 35k people dead in 7 months of fighting out of 2.3 million gazans also less than the population. Because Israel is bombing Gaza indescriminately.


Use indescriminately bombing of Mosul in Iraq killed 120k+ at a goal with less bombs that Israel uses in Gaza .


Now since Israel bombs Gaza every day for 7 months now let's do the maths

Let's say Israel was bombing Gaza like the way the USA bombed Mosul.


120k × 30 = 3,600,000 in just a month Gaza is gone

Let's continue 3.6 million × 7 months= 25,200,000 every Palestinian that ever lived from 1948 to now are gone almost twice.

Won't that be something. Then it won't be just genocide, it will be genocidal Anilhilational Extermination . Killing both the ancestors and descendants

like i said earlier, u cant just throw figures around, without attempting to justify them. ur saying so, does not make it so. on my part, i started out by giving you a palestinian timeline of the events from 1878 till oct7 according to the historian, ILAN PAPPE.
It states, that the PLAN DALET happened april 1948 and it involved haganah killing 15k palestinians and simultaneously driving out more than 500k in wot is known today, as the first nakba. then, a month afterwards, israel declared the state of israels independence, and was subsequently attacked by egypt and syria. u claim its not so, becos u say so? u have to prove wot u say.
as for genocide, u can continue to tow the false narative of the zionist apathied regime in israel that genocide can only take place wen you kill everyone on the victims side. and then start quoting falsified jewish data about their population during ww2. the rest of the world, apparently has a different defination to wot genocide means.
for the battle of mosul. how did u arrive at the 120k u claim was killed? lets start from that first

Lawag3:
Tunisia is closer to Europe than Armenia .

If Tunisia joins the EU does it make Tunisia European?

Armenia is a country in Asia no part of it is in Europe part of Istanbul In in Europe.

So now if Armenia joins the EU it's not because they are Europeans but if Israel joins they are Europeans.

Got it Mr bias

joke of the day. am not aware that part of istanbul is in europe thats downright fake news
as for Tunisia. dont even go there. cos many of those north African francophone countries fought hell to get out of the colonial grip of France, who wanted to make them part and parcel of France. the French colonial approach in north Africa was to absorb those colonies as part of France. u touching a raw nerve, by suggesting tunisia can be part of EU
If a country like ukraine, and all other countries bordering russia to its west, are members of EU,or about to be, then EU is pretty close to Armenia more than u think. infact Moscow is in europe. and armania is really not far from Moscow

Lawag3:
You see you bias right. Imagine if a country like Israel was a partner of the EU, you be like you see they are from Europe.

Are Armenians from Europe?

Anyway Israel is also a partner of the EU

armania is closer to europe in distance than israel

Lawag3:
An Asia country intended to apply for EU membership.

If it was Israel you be like they are Europeans. They are going to participate in the Eurovision young musicians competition. They are Europeans 😂

turkey is even more far east than Armenia is. if turkey was considered for many years as a potential EU country, why not armania? compare the distance from europe to armania vis a vis the distance from europe to israel. armania is closer to europe than israel.

Lawag3:
So this you said was it a typo or a lie
15k Palestinians were murdered in the massacre of Deir Yassin April of 1948
this came with the forced displacement of over 500k more Palestinians

It's clearly a lie a typo can't be this long.

That Deir Yassin massacre was a month after the war ended, after Palestinians were displaced and yes Israel did go after communities that supported the Arabs during the war.

The total death of Palestinians was a little over 15k out of 1.5 million Palestinians then. Now how is this a genocide and ethnic cleansing. Are they not just casualties of war? And the genocide continued from 1948 till now and Palestinians population in both Gaza and west bank is about 5.7 million together with Palestinians world wide are about 14 million.

Palestinians are super Humans commit genocide on them their population increases is God not wonderful

u dont know wot u are talking about. u cant say something is a lie if u cant substantiate ur own assertions. as for genocide, why do they say hitler genocide jews when according to ur twisted logic, THEY WERE JUST CASUALTIES OF WAR? and as the population of jews have increased since second world war, jews must be super humans?

Lawag3:
Armenian is a western Asian country in Asian


Morroco libya Jordan Egypt will make their debuts in the Eurovision young musicians contest.

Are they europeans

Armenia intended to apply for EU membership. how about that? before that, they have been the eastern partner of EU. as for morocco, Libya and the rest, let me see them in the Eurovision first. then i will comment on them afterwards

Lawag3:
The displacement of 500k Palestinians happened before Deir Yassin.

Don't come here and lie 15k Palestinians were not killed in Deir Yassin only 107 .



So don't lie I will find you out

it was called plan dalet. its killing and purging the indigenous Palestinian communities. it happened the same time.

Lawag3:
OK Armenian Azerbaijan and Turkey Australia are European countries.


Morroco Egypt Libya Jordan will be making their Deputs at the Eurovision young musicians competition they must be Europeans 😂

Armenian and Azerbaijan are considered as eastern partners of EU. turkey did not participate in the Eurovision. and Australia like Israel deserved to be asked the same questions

Lawag3:
The nakbah did happen until during the war right? A war that began same week or four days after the Jews declared independence.

I know the timeline perfectly. 15k Palestinians were killed during the war and 500k displaced. The nakbah happened during the war so the death of 15k Palestinians did not happen after the nakbah

Now the question I have for you.


“Because according to you and I qoute
israel bulldozed palestinian villages and expelled them to make room for european jewish settlers from europe.”

And this According to you was during the nakbah which was during the war.

So this is what you're saying the Jews were inviting European settlers to Palestine in the middle of a war They bulldoze villages in Palestine in the middle of the war?

are you trying to say that the Arabs attack Israel with Palestinians still in the land?

Please was it march you intend to say?

15k Palestinians were murdered in the massacre of Deir Yassin April of 1948. this came with the forced displacement of over 500k more Palestinians which is the first nakba. it was the month after in May 1948 that Israel declared independence. first nakba happened before the war cos it was after Israel declared independence, the next day of, that egypt, syria and others attacked Israel.

Lawag3:
So the Jews were deporting Arabs from the land before the nakbah.


There is a video of this same Ben Gurion saying in the UN General Assembly that they are Jews and their ancestors are from the land of Israel.


It's on the UN official website you can find the video on their archives

mayb u dont understand the timeline. jews were over 100thousand in palestine as at 1948. and the nakba happened in mar of that year after 15thousand Palestinians were killed

most of those statements of ben gurion were private discussions that leaked. wot he says in public is ofcourse another thing entirely

Lawag3:
Thank God you used the word purported. Your link said the administrators of Galilee will announce the session of Galilee from Israel tomorrow so Oga relax Tom or tomorrow nor far.

the purported was in capital letters incase u didnt notice. u are the one doubting the report as spoof from propagandist telegraph sites. so, i needed to show u how hot north israel is now.
such dat such statement should not be considered as outlandish

Lawag3:
I did not see any report on the mayor of Margaliot saying Israel is loosing the war with Hezbollah.


It is known to everyone that Hezbollah sends barrage of rockets into norther Israel and Israel in turn bombs target in Lebanon and have killed dozens of Hezbollah top leaders.

You link says Galilee will declare independence from Israel tomorrow.

Tomorrow nor far let's wait and see

what i wanted you to see, is that the administrators of galilee are planning a succession from israel due to hezbollah attack. does this not in line with wot the mayor is PURPORTED TO HAVE SAID?

Lawag3:
OK let's use history facts the state of israel was created May 14 1948

Arab Israeli war was May 18 1948 The say week the Jews declared their nationhood.

The nakbah was during the war.

So this is what you're saying the Jews were inviting European settlers to Palestine in the middle of a war. They bulldoze villages in Palestine in the middle of the war.

The Jews were like come in come in European settlers this is your new home. It's a good place it just that it's in the middle of a war but don't worry it's just a small thing. 😂


The Palestinian Arabs left the land on the other of the Arab armies who did not want them to be cut up in the war promising them that they will kill the Jews and all of them can return.


Or are you trying to say that the Arabs attack Israel with Palestinians still in the land?


The Arabs who stayed are the Jewish Arabs of today. And most of them say this same thing that it was the Arabs that told them to leave the land.


So don't come here and lie


Ben Gurion did not say any of that. Some claimed he did let's talk about that

jewish migration into palestine was at fever pitch before 1948. jewish knew they had enough people to prosecute the war, thats why dey declared independence. you can see all the time line. from bottom till oct 7 in the pics attached.
then ben gurion said all of that and more. he was a talkactive and his speeches were well documented

Lawag3:
Now you get your propaganda from a Pro Palestinian twitter page.

okay. how about reading it from TIMES OF INDIA instead?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/toi-original/amid-hezbollah-bombardments-chorus-grows-for-separate-statehood-in-israel/videoshow/110001268.cms

Amid escalating tensions and Hezbollah bombardments, a growing chorus for statehood is resonating from Israel's northern Galilee region. Leaders in Galilee have shockingly announced plans to declare independence, citing long-standing neglect by the Israeli government. Watch now to

IS ISRAEL Middle Eastern or European settlers, pick one
If they are European why they are living in MiddleEast? If they are Middle Eastern why they are in Eurovision?

Lawag3:
Mosab is a Palestinian his grandmother survived the nakbah he says Palestine is rubbish.

Jesus, Solomon David are Israelites called me a famous ancient Palestinian that lived before Jesus was born.

What Palestinian city he lived in


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=necPCKnfMd4?si=PfRWPu8pOlS6sH0_

the story of the nakbah is well documented. israel bulldozed palestinian villages and expelled them to make room for european jewish settlers from europe. palestinians who left voluntarily did so, to flee the war of 1948 and they are in the minority.
i have listened enough to this son called mosab, to know he is mentally unstable. why is he the only palestinian zionist propangandists use for their sick PR stunts? here is ben gurion the first prime minister of israel, saying palestinians own the land and that palestinians are descendants of the ancient hebrew. why dont u take ben gurion seriously?

ISRAELI MAYOR: IDF IS LYING... WE ARE LOSING IN THE NORTH

Mayor of Margaliot, Eitan Davidi:

"It was a very violent week in the north on the border with Lebanon, and we could be attacked at any moment by Hezbollah.

The army’s statements about removing Hezbollah and harming its ability to maneuver are incorrect.

The loss here is very great and we are moving in a direction that we do not know where it will lead."

Lawag3:
So he wasn't at anytime related to one of the top leaders of Hamas ? He wasn't at anytime a Hamas fighter that got arrested for the possession of weapons by Israeli forces. He wasn't at anytime a Muslim

He was born a Zionist and a shin bet agent.


He is right about Palestine never existing though.

state of palestine before 1948 was on the world map, issued autonomous passports to all its residents, had a currency to their name for trade and had an autonomous administrator in jerusalem.
how else does palestine need to exist?

norman Finkelstein is a jew, an his parents survived the holocaust
yet he says israel is rubbish


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gu4OMmoo5mw?si=J6A43CLhocHLijOf

Lawag3:
Mosab Hassan Yousef the son of one of Hamas founder believes the land is Jewish. What do you have to say about that

he is a mossad agent. a fake Zionist propagandist. who said 1.6milion Muslims worldwide are cow. and that Palestine never existed.

wen Jews are campaigning for the termination of the illegal state of israel

tctrills:
First, what you wrote did not mention the year. How many soldiers remained after the Jewish exodus.
Again, it would not have been an issue if the Romans maintained the army in Israel with funds from other areas. Every government does that.

jewish exodus is a hoax
it neither happened nor can it be proved.
thanks for the debate. i will not reply u again. bye

Virtual Portal" between Dublin and New York City was opened a few days ago.

The Irish are mocking the Americans with pictures of 9/11.

I assume that this is because of the "dancing Israelis" case, which proved that the terrorist attack was carried out by the Mossad in order to drag the USA into the wars in the Middle East, starting with Iraq, so that today the USA is totally controlled from Israel.

tctrills:
And you don't believe it because?
Yes the Romans taxed people but not every where contributed the same tax. If there were only 40k people you don't expect them to tax more.
Over a thousand years, in 1267 under ottoman rule, the population of the area was just 340,000. This was even after Jerusalem because a holy land to Islam so keep fighting history. Again you are being a bit foolish here. Your point seems to be that if the population reduces, the Romans would give up the territory because the taxes were small. I don't know how that makes sense even to you.

People also ask
What was the population of Palestine in Roman times?
This is a subject which has certainly not been neglected by scholars. Recently, Byatt (1973) collected 18 estimates of the population of Palestine during the Ist century A.D. They range from 6,000,000 (Conder) or more than 5,000,000 Jews (Juster), down to less than a million of which less than half were Jews (McCown).
there were 30legions of roman army in palestine alone. with each legion, consisting of 6,000 soldiers. not to talk of numerous roman politicians and bureaucrats. u telling me, the funding for all of that will come from 40k people?

BREAKING: Eurovision winner Loreen says she will refuse to hand over the trophy to Israel’s Eden Golan if she wins tonight, breaking protocol due to Israel’s genocide in Gaza.

The organizers have totally turned this circus into a political circus, where they no longer hide that they are setting up Israel to win, in order to justify the slaughter of over 13,000 children in Gaza.

tctrills:
So your point is that they don't produce the kind of videos you love. I now understand you point

conversation with u, is becoming boring and meaningless