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Heterodox:
All your explanation points otherwise


To a perfection without imperfection.

Then u did not understand my explanation.
I know it’s difficult to capture God by logic. A being that was not born and does not die?
That’s why we talk of faith.
Taking it on faith is simply trusting in wot he said He is.
This is by far the authentic way to come to the knowledge of wot God is.
Thanks for the debate
And bye

Heterodox:
God improves then.

Improves from wot to wot?
He is already all there is
There is nothing else after that

Heterodox:
So imperfection improves?

I honestly don’t even understand wot u mean?
If imperfection is left out of perfection then perfection is incomplete and has fallen short of perfection

Heterodox:
And imperfection improves?

Did u know that white color is not a color really?
But rather a combination of 7colors?
Red, orange, yellow green blue indigo and violet?

Heterodox:
So there is imperfection in perfection?

Yes

FuckSilly:
You're only making a mockery of yourself in your delusion and stupidity

LOL
Wish u cud see me now
Laughing uncontrollably
U have been scammed by the white man
That’s ur confusion
I can see

Heterodox:
So a perfect God curses

God will not be complete if ALL blessings and ALL curses were not in him
Perfection circumscribed everything
He both up and down, right and left
Head and tail
All the scenarios with nothing left out.
That’s perfection

Kobojunkiee:
1. It wasn't the Pharisees that picked up stones against the woman, right? And from their history, we read that they were partial in their judgement and used the people to carry out their evil plots in the name of God. So, how can you pretend the Pharisees knew more than that which you can also glean from reading through the Book of the Law of Moses for yourself?

2. No doubt that what Jesus Christ said rescued the woman from what may have been an unjust death under God's Law.

3. Well, in the same Matthew 5, prior to making the decrees contained, Jesus Christ also warned you that He did not come to change the Law in any way or form - Matthew 5 vs 15 - 19. Am I somehow meant to ignore that portion of the Gospel because of what you posted?

Anyways, I am afraid what you parrot here is clearly that which was fed you by your pastors and mogs, and nothing to do with that in fact thought of by Jesus Christ Himself.

According to the Old Covenant, No man has authority to add, change or remove from God's Law, and so it would have been a sin against God for Jesus Christ to do all of what you claim He did to the Old Law. Instead, as Jesus Christ clearly explained to you, He came, not to do away with the Law which He made clear to you was everlasting - Heaven and Earth will pass away but not a jot of God's Law and Word will pass away - but to fulfill it, and that is exactly what Jesus Christ did by living His life on earth in full submission and obedience of the Old Covenant. By doing so, He fulfilled the requirements of the Law in order that He may in order pay off the sin debt owed by His Jewish brothers who would choose to follow Him - God's New Covenant/Law and Agreement instead.

U don’t know the Bible and u too proud to learn
U believe u know more than the pastors
But look at all the rubbish u are pasting
Believe wot u like.
Thanks and bye

FuckSilly:
Keep using senseless smile emoticon while you're actually crying and wallowing in stupidity.

So from Israel and Rome are the two African places so-called white men took religions from?
Mumu don go read Ethiopia bullshǐts

Am having the laugh of my life. no fakes about the emojis atall.
Ur mumu is refreshingly funny
To u Ethiopia is bullshit while Rome with no SINGLE PROVE in history that Peter ever went there and instituted any religion there! That to u is real
Look who has believed d slaver’s religion
The Middle East was carved out by European mappers to deny Africa of ownership of the holy lands. Those areas were Africa, when Jesus was born how can Egypt be Africa and Israel is not Africa?

Kobojunkiee:
God's Old Covenant Law of Moses which was given to the People of Israel for a Constitution for the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan is a forever Covenant God made with the people of Israel. There are laws that are specifically designated to last forever in that Covenant, for example.


2. Jesus Christ Himself explained to you that He did not come to change the Old Law in any way or form - Matthew 5 vs 15 - 19- , so how could you believe He modified it? Instead, what Jesus Christ did was present you with a New Law/Agreement which He then ratified on the cross when His blood was shed - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30

3. I don't assume at all since I am aware of some of the details involved as far as the death penalty in the Old Covenant, and the story of the Woman caught in the act of adultery does not really specify that all requirements were first met for her stoning to be justified. You have to read through the Old Covenant Laws to understand what I mean

U don’t know wot u mean
U cannot pretend to know the law more than the Pharisees who picked up stories against the woman
It was wot Jesus said that rescued her not ur baseless assassination.
Also I took pains to paste Matt 5:21-48
So u can read all the modifications Jesus made to the law. e.g u have heard swear all your oath with the name of God BUT I tell do not swear at all by heaven or Jerusalem or your head rather let ur yeah be yeah and may be nay.
Jesus did not come destroy the law but to FULFILL it. Wot has been fulfilled does not require any further fulfillment. He rested the law by meeting all its requirements flawlessly so that no believer is EVER required to meet it again.
Including the Passover.
Jesus was the Passover lamb and his sacrifice nullifies the need to observe the Jewish Passover going forward
Gods Laws are not binding on man

FuckSilly:
Lol
You're dumbness and stupidity has no cure.

So, it wasn't the slavers that brought Christianity to your fore fathers, including even creating a slave Bible then?

Na your papa bring am Abi?
Ordẹ̀

Ignorant
The white man met Christianity in Africa.
The white man has done everything he can to color God, Jesus, the angels white. Its not true
We were Christians b4 them
If u ask this mumu now
Who discovered the RIVER NIGER he will tell me
Mungo Park
U are a mumu

Kobojunkiee:
1. Your assumption is entirely off there.

Yes, the Law of Moses does command that those found in the act of adultery be stoned to death, but there were also many other requirements/nuances that had to be met in order for one to be stoned that were likely not met by those who chased the woman to stone her, and this may be the reason behind them all eventually walking away from that scene, even after Jesus Christ encouraged that the one without sin cast the first stone.

2. Not God's Law. It was meant as an eternal Law/Covenant to be upheld by the people of Israel even after the resurrection takes place at the end.

There are no eternal Gods law

Mathew 5:21-48
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.
41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.
42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Jesus modified all the laws here.
Also why must you assume there was another condition that had to be met b4 the adulterous woman could be stoned?
You are always filled with assumptions that cannot be proved or verified

Heterodox:
So a perfect God made an imperfect Earth

Oh!
Read ur bible na
The earth has been cursed for the sake of man
It is to sprout torn and thistle going forward

FuckSilly:
Exactly. The usual senseless response.

You're wasting your life dude practicing fake religion. Religion of slavers.

Even history? U still stumbling at dat? U believe the crap that white slavemasters brought Christianity to us?
Grow up u delusional
There is nothing fake about Christianity. U are the one not genuinely clever to notice.
U are free though to believe wotsover u want
Nevertheless shud u really decide to chk if this Christian talking to u knows the truth for certain
Then be my guest
Our first point will be WOT IS UR OWN MYSTICISM?

Kobojunkie:
This is very wrong thinking!

That verse is instead a part of the Constitution of the Nation of Israel, a nation constituted by God in the land of Canaan of the people of Israel. God created a Nation with laws that mirrored laws available in other countries at the time. Included in the very same constitution are also laws which, if obeyed, were meant to set the people apart from other Nations of the time as well. And the main is that constitution is meant as an eternal agreement between God and the people of Israel.

Even the nation of Israel at the time of the Christ DIDN'T keep such laws. The woman caught in adultery wasn’t stoned even though Moses had commanded such. Laws were made for man and not man for laws.
Mean laws were meant to be adjusted as the society becomes more enlightened

clevybrown:
U just expressed how foolish u can be, it's either u are still a growing child with limited knowledge or u are and adult with a depleted or weak brain cells... Seek for help bro.

I see
Bid I remind u of this same fanatical worship of Buhari back then in 2015, who many thought would outperform Jonathan?
Its the same hopeless worship for Obi. I know 3 Okada men who lost their lives during celebration of Buhari’s victory
There was a gentleman who even trekked all the way from Kano to Lagos on foot to celebrate
In retrospect all that seems foolish? Obi’s case will be worse
He is the most clueless of all the aspirants on display today. A fact to which his cult followership blinds people to!
How many times do u need to be disappointed for u realize that ur messiah mentality is your liability?
You need A BAT my dear friend
Every OBIdient can’t do without A BAT
ATIKUlated needs A BAT
It the only way to avoid stinking
Take A BAT for president
A word is enough for d wise

FuckSilly:
You lots and so brainwashed in self-denial and hypocrisy.
What concerns all these nonsense with your so called word of god now. You will usually just come up with BULLSHÌTS to justify your stupidity.
Your same bible said the word of God never changes
And
Your Jesus said he didn't come to rubbish the laws but to fulfill them ....
So what are you talking about?

HYPOCRITE!

There he goes again Talking crap about what he has ZERO knowledge about
Let me advice u. It is ur responsibility to come to the knowledge of the TRUTH in ur earth life! It’s urgent.
U wasting time

Heterodox:
is perfect or imperfect?

The earth?
ABSOLUTELY IMPERFECT

Heterodox:
And the same goes for the day, when it changes to night?

Day changes to night cos of the earth’s INABILITY to mediate light to all on it Simultaneously. There is no such draw back in heaven or in the new earth God will redesign.

Heterodox:
So when the weather changes, the weather is imperfect?

Oh, so u did not know that THE WEATHER IS indeed IMPERFECT?

FuckSilly:
Una mumu and stupidity is like zee world...
So your God's law is like iPhone or Android software that updates?

Why haven't you people then released the latest version of the new laws? At least, we've stopped use blackberry and lolipop androids

Only a fool thinks he is wise in his own eyes
Go to primary one and start teaching the kids CALCULUS
God too gives instructions that match ur mental capabilities per time.

Heterodox:
What's God?


If you know what God is you know it changes.

God?
Is WHAT was, WHAT is and WHAT is to come.
It cannot be improved upon.
It therefore cannot change.
Change connotes instability or imperfection. God is complete, He exists outside CHANGE

FuckSilly:


Really?

That law was crafted at a stage of human spiritual and emotional development where it was suited.
Today it’s no more so. God has not changed, it’s humans that has changed. Like a child outgrowing certain toys and play types. As a child grows the parent invent new sets of rules for each stage of his growth. Today boxing is fashionable, perhaps in 1000yrs from today, it will be deemed barbaric

ManirBK:
https://dailypost.ng/2022/08/13/2023-anxiety-heightens-in-pdp-over-wikes-defection-plan/

A-swear Gov Wike needs A BAT
We all do. Without A BAT you will stink
Even the OBIdients needs A BAT to be Yusful
Not to talk of the ATIKUlated! Take A BAT or stink. We all need A BAT
#EmiLokan

Kurutinto:
Peter Obi as president next year will stop all these sort of silly and inexplicable acts.

A vote for Tinubu is a vote for bokoharam, hunger, Banditry, death, Inflation, poverty, fuel scarcity, COVID, all sorts of plagues to continue.

I don’t know how all dis ur OBIdience is going to put sugar in ur koko
#30k is ready for u from the BAT side to high as u like
What has OBIdience done for u with ALARORO mentality. Preach BAT and forget hardship
Las las na prosperity we all after.
BAT don’t only walk, he flys too
So u can see far

Indispensable85:
This ur comment tell me say u far from Edo politics. No need to argue further with u. Byeeeeeeeeeeeee

No don’t go
I know Edo politics more than u.
PDP has a divided house in Edo
Cos of Obaseki
Nevertheless make no mistake Edo is PDP and his chances may be brighter in PDP

Indispensable85:
So how's it now guaranteed for him when he's not even on the ballot?

He did not see any hope in APC.
PDP seem to offer him something.
He may be on the ballot in 4yrs time with PDP.
Put urself in his shoes

Indispensable85:
It was oshiomhole that made alimekhena senator twice. The mumu contested under pdp and lost in the primary before oshiomhole brought him to the Apc and gave him ticket against the popular prof ihonvbere.

And so wot?
Is that why he shud not go else where? Where continuity to his senatorial dreams is guaranteed?
If na u nko?

God1000:
What's the difference between APC and PDP?

They keep jumping up and down, I hate our politicians

Save our country, vote Peter Obi

Is Peter Obi not one of OUR POLITICIANS?
Did Peter Obi not jump from APGA to PDP? From PDP to LP?
Wots d diff?

nairavsdollars:
By Temidayo Akinsuyi


https://independent.ng/i-can-govern-nigeria-without-labour-party-having-majority-in-national-assembly-obi/

This OBIdient thinks presiding over Nigeria is similar to governoring Anambra state! He is ONE-CHANCE.
I wish people will shun sentiments and see truly that all the major three, especially OBIdient will end in premium tears at the end of the day

Khaysee:
I dey pity student if every government can't solve it let do it ourselves
3k a year and have straight academic calender to me is better

U don’t seems to understand the country u are in

Khaysee:
ASUU are always on strike can't we just add 3k to each student school fees to be meeting ASUU demand
Every president witness ASUU strike

Thereby causing the students to go on ALUTA?