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TenQ:
Sometimes I wonder the calibre of educated bums I am chatting with.
Please go reboot and stop mis-yarning

U are just a noise making ignorant mumus

TenQ:
Repeating the same error.
.What concerns Russia that Ambasonia want to Join Biafra

Ur twisted arguments can not help Ukraine and EU.
EU had it coming. Those stupid pompous Slave colonial masters.
U don't know how foolish u look, defending those people.

TenQ:
No sir!
Give me your citable evidence!

All what you are saying is that Russia is angry that Ukraine is not allowing the separatists from declaring their independence from Ukraine.

Meaning that Russia is the problem hear and not even Donbas or Ukraine

Noise
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas
Ukraine attacked and criminalized all things Russia.
Russian language was banned in Donbas,
Greek Orthodox church was banned
Russian symbols and ceremonies were destroyed
By government backed neo nazis.
Russian business was all halted, cos u want to suckup to EU and America?
All these, in a country where half of the population is Russian?
Separatist feelings only arise, when an ethnic group feel marginalized within their country.

TenQ:
So, South-West Nigeria doesn't want Shari'a BUT France interjected by bombing Nigeria to pulp!?



Does this make sense to even yourself?

See how silly ur analogy is?
Is Southwest Nigeria populated by French people?
Does Southwest Nigeria border France?
If South west Nigeria rejects sharia and Nigeria proceeds to foolishly bomb them for 10yrs.
Benin Republic can intervene to secure its people across the border

TenQ:
In black and white before you!

Minsk agreements had the autonomy of Donbas as a clear stipulation.
Ukraine and EU signed the agreements, only to renege. Thinking they can defeat Russia on the battlefield.
So, best case scenario for Ukraine, they lose only Donbas.
Worst case scenario, they lose the whole Ukraine.
Putin has long said it, EU tone, will soon change, when Russian forces stand infront of their doors

TenQ:
ChatGPT is your friend even if you don't know History!
Why not check before making yourself look ridiculous!

Ur problem is ignorance. Ukraine pushed Donbas militias, down to the border with Russia. Thats why Russia intervened.

TenQ:
Donbas wasn't Russia was it?
So what concerns Nigeria with internal politics of Benin Republic!?

1. Donbas is populated by Russians.
Donbas were all former Russian cities, which were gifted to Ukraine by certain Premiers of USSR.
Donbas shares a border with Russia. If there is a 10yrs war in Benin Republic, and Nigeria feels unconcerned,
It is because Nigeria is a useless country.
3. Go and find out, if any war can happen in Mexico, which will not involve America.
Even right now, American forces are in Mexico, untop of ordinary gang and drug wars.

TenQ:
EU is not a country sir

Donbas never wanted EU membership for Ukraine.
Rather than conduct a referendum on the matter like Britain, Pro-Ukrainian fundamentalists attacked Donbas

TenQ:
Ukrainian law NOT Russian law or Donbas Law!

Talking like mumu?
Donbas was to self-rule itself within Ukraine.
Similar to Transnistria within Moldova

TenQ:
Ukraine was never able to overrun
Parts of Donetsk Oblast: Controlled by Russian-backed separatists since 2014.
AND
Parts of Luhansk Oblast: Also controlled by Russian-backed separatists since 2014.

Ukraine pushed Donbas separatists almost to the border with Russia

Poormanpikin:
Can you provide evidence for this assertion? You may screenshot an article that back this assertion please.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/03/missile-woes-for-german-navy/

https://africa.businessinsider.com/military-and-defense/a-trident-missile-test-fired-by-a-uk-submarine-failed-thats-a-lot-of-money-down-the/1p0t3cj

TenQ:
No sir. There was nothing autonomous in the details of the agreement.

Part of the minsk agreement was for Russia to withdraw from Donbas

Here is the details of both agreements
Here are the major conditions of the Minsk Agreements:
Minsk I (2014)
1. **Immediate Bilateral Ceasefire**: To ensure an immediate halt to hostilities.
2. **Monitoring and Verification**: OSCE to monitor and verify the ceasefire.
3. **Decentralization**: Adoption of a Ukrainian law granting self-governance to certain areas of Donbas.
4. **Border Control**: Permanent monitoring of the Ukrainian-Russian border by the OSCE.
5. **Release of Hostages**: Immediate release of all hostages and illegally detained persons.
6. **Amnesty**: Law preventing prosecution for events in Donbas.
7. **National Dialogue**: Continue inclusive national dialogue.
8. **Humanitarian Situation**: Measures to improve the humanitarian situation in Donbas.
9. **Local Elections**: Early local elections in accordance with Ukrainian law.
10. **Withdrawal of Forces**: Withdrawal of illegal armed groups and military equipment.
11. **Economic Recovery**: Programme for economic recovery and reconstruction of Donbas.
12. **Security for Participants**: Personal security for consultation participants

### Minsk II (2015)
1. **Immediate and Comprehensive Ceasefire**: Similar to Minsk I.
2. **Withdrawal of Heavy Weapons**: Withdrawal of heavy weapons from the front line.
3. **OSCE Monitoring**: Enhanced OSCE monitoring.
4. **Border Control**: Return of control over the Ukrainian-Russian border after local elections.
5. **Local Elections**: Elections in Donbas under OSCE standards and Ukrainian law.
6. **Special Status**: Permanent special status for Donbas regions through constitutional reform
7. **Amnesty**: Amnesty for those involved in the conflict.
8. **Humanitarian Aid**: Humanitarian aid access to affected areas.
9. **Economic Support**: Economic support and recovery for Donbas.
10. **Withdrawal of Foreign Troops**: Withdrawal of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, and mercenaries from Ukrainian territory

The boldened 3 and 6 is autonomy for Donbas

TenQ:
Was Donbas was part of Ukraine or Russia?

Donbas never wanted EU.
So, Donbas elected to join Russia

Poormanpikin:
How were they useless in all the scenarios you referenced?

On the red sea, Britain and Germany almost sank their own ships with the missiles from their own cannons
Over Israel, they couldn't shoot down d least Iranian missile

TenQ:
They had hundreds of brand new Armoured Tanks and Artillery to fight Ukraine. The Russian soldier joined to fight without putting on Russian logo

Where did they get the Money?

If Donbas had Armored tanks and artillery, then how did Ukraine overrun Donbas?
If Russian soldiers were battling in Ukraine without uniforms, then why did Russia military roll tanks into Ukraine to force Ukraine into ceasefire?

Poormanpikin:
Now you're indirectly accepting that China cannot stand US

U wrong.
Wen EU stood with America in the Red Sea against Houthi, everyone saw how useless EU was
Wen EU stood with America to intercept Iranian missiles to Israel, everyone saw how useless EU was.
Against China, EU will be useless

TenQ:
You can lie for Africa!
Was Donbas was part of Ukraine or Russia?
Were they not sponsored by Russia to declare an armed revolt for independence from Ukraine?

Why do u believe Donbas was sponsored by Russia to revolt?
Your insincerity is why u can never understand the Ukraine conflict.
Zelensky the fool, knows he is not wanted in Donbas and dat has nothing to do with Russia

TenQ:
There was only ONE peace deal signed between Ukraine and Russia and it is the
Minsk Agreements (2014-2015) after Russia annexed Cremia and started their problem in the Donbas region. Russia was supposed to withdraw their soldiers and heavy weapons from Donbass area and they did not. This was what broke the agreement.


The second agreement was not even signed at all in 2022 due to issues like the Bucha massacre and Russia's annexation of more Ukrainian territories. This was the Istanbul Communiqué, which proposed Ukraine's neutrality and limits on its military in exchange for security guarantees. The problem here was Russia again.


So where did you learn your own history?

Lies
Minsk 1 was 2014
Minsk 2 was 2015
Ukraine agreed in both agreements for an autonomous Donbas
Inwhich case, u can't say Russia not withdrawing is reason the deal collapsed.
Except you don't know the meaning of autonomous
From day one, EU has stated dat Russia must be defeated on the battlefield
So, 4get your fake excuses.

Guestmale:
Which deal did they sign?

Minsk agreements.

TenQ:
It's a free world my dear where even members of EU can say "I want to exit" and it wouldn't be a cause of war.

Unlike the brute Russia that wants to keep Ukraine as a permanent Houseboy and is willing to steal, kill and destroy to achieve their aim.


You too, compare now!?

Keep lying against Russia.
If wot u say about free world, make any meaning to u,
why den did Zelensky wage a brutal 10yrs war against Donbas, cos they rejected EU membership
for Ukraine?

TenQ:
How?
Because he sought EU's help?
Or because he refused to bow to Putin?
It seems you dont know that the EU is not a military alliance my friend: it is an economic union.

That's the one that is causing you pain!


Can you notice how just suddenly, the word "NATO is the enemy" is far from your mouth (because Trump, the supposed leader of NATO is become Putin's saviour)
LOL!

Zelensky is the Man of the Decade!

If EU is so good, why then did Britain Brexit?

Guestmale:
Ukraine rejected a peace deal that will take their birth right away. They are not family of Esau who sold his birth right for a plate of porridge .

If the deal was bad, then why did they sign it?
How do you sign a deal and then renege from fulfilling your obligations?
The west destroys every single framework nations look up to for conflict resolution.

infofta:
"I need amunitions not a ride"...President Zelensky of Ukraine

1. Many leaders would have ran away when it was clear Russia would take Kiv and kill or imprison him. Invading forces were approaching from all directions. The US offered to give him a ride to escape, instead he requested for amunitions to fight. Because of his bravery Ukraine is still standing today.

2. If he was given heavy weapons and much needed tanks at the early stage of the war the story would have been different today.

3. He fought Putin with one hand tied behind his back.

4. Much respect for keeping the Country otherwise a sham referendum would have been organized and Ukraine would be absorbed into Russia

Mumu yarns
1. Only time Natanyahu went to see Putin, it was specifically to beg Putin not to kill Zelensky.
Zelensky who hides in bunkers, making speeches, while sending thousands to their death on a daily basis
2. Zelensky has gotten more than 500 billion USD military assistance so far. Russia does not have that. What other excuse are u making for Zelensky's failure?
3. U people hyping Zelensky, are partakers in killing Ukrainians
4. Russia held the referendum and Donbas voted 98% for joining Russia

bigdottt:
See Mumu talking, Zelensky just came into power in 2019, satying Rubbish all because you love evil like your mentor PUTIN

He-goat
Zelensky came to power 2019, so what?
His tenure has expired.
He is not loved in Ukraine.
NATO's spread is illegal
Ukraine cannot join NATO
Russia cannot allow Soviet assets in Ukraine to fall into NATO hands.
You are the evil person, supporting a fool like Zelensky who is wasting innocent Ukrainians for nothing.

donmik:
Even if Russia has the upper hand in this war, Zelensky will forever be in the anal of history for being a true patriot of his fatherland.

Like he said, this war can't just end knowing that he who fights today lives to fight again. It is great to know your enemy and die for your right even amidst any intimidation

As soon as Ukrainians are free to talk without fear, u will see how quickly they will rubbish the useless hyped image of a coward Zelensky, who hides all day in bunkers, while forcing millions of Ukrainians to go and die for nothing

Tradepunter2:
You are senseless....
UKRAINE SACRIFICED THEMSELVES FOR EUROPE...... NOW EUROPE IS DEVELOPING defense weapons AT A RATE NEVER SEEN SINCE WORLD WAR 2.... NA USA AND USELESS TRUMP YOU SHOULD FEEL SORRY FOR BECAUSE CHINA IS HAPPY WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT...
China knows at this rate EUROPE WON'T INVOLVE THEMSELVES IF TRUMP STARTS A WAR..... INDIA HAVE NEVER REALLY BEEN A TRUE ALLY..... SO YES EUROPE HAVE WOKEN UP... THEIR PACIFIST STANCE IS NOW GONE AND REALITY OF WORLD WAR IS REAL

Clown
Didn't you hear Macron saying Europe will send 30k troops to Ukraine?
When Zelensky is asking for 800k troops?
America does not need Europe to fight China

Thunderfayamods:
We are talking about a different thing he saying a different thing. Have a good day.

See mumu
Trump have no right to advise Zelensky
Yet Zelensky has right to DEMAND money from Trump
To continue a war that has failed for 3yrs?

Thunderfayamods:
Do use question to answer question.

Ur answer is obvious. Zelensky's tenure is over
and he is deeply unpopular in Ukraine. He has placed the interest of Europe above that of his own citizens.
Trump is not forcing him, its just an advice to the dictator

Thunderfayamods:
Read the link and educate yourself! Stop spewing gibberish!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

Who wrote the link? Lai Mohammed?
Donbas does not want to join EU and NATO. Zelensky carries on as though he is welcome in Donbas.
After Zelensky's failed 10yrs war on Donbas, why should Russia continue to permit such insecurity on its borders?
All former USSR assets in Ukraine, why should Putin allow dem to fall into the hands of NATO?
Why should NATO be allowed to spread?

Thunderfayamods:
How is this your comment related to what Ukrainian parliament is saying? Whet right does American have to tell Ukraine when to conduct elections in their country?

What right has Ukraine to ask America to continue to fund their nonsense war?

God1000:
Much respect for this man, I'm so ashamed of the current American leadership, we need a very patriotic leader like zelensky in Nigeria, he's a hero to his people while some clowns in Nigeria keep calling him a comedian

Why is DT not calling for elections in Israel, instead he's supplying them with more weapons to commit murder

1. Netanyahu's tenure is not over clown
2. Ukraine parliament is trash, rubber stamped under Zelensky's control.
3. Zelensky knows he will badly lose an election in Ukraine, Hence the reluctance to hold one
4. Nigeria does not need a fool like Zelensky. And u cannot pretend to love him more than Ukrainians.
5. Did Russia not hold election two times during this war? First for Putin and then referendum for Donbas?
6. All Trump has to do, is remove America from the war. Zelensky and Europe can continue.

Singhabele:
Is better for Ukraine 2 fight for her sovereign and looses and be respected that to accept dat a decision was made behind them and give up parts of their country.

Benin man say it's better to say na here the man die than to say na here the man run pass enter bush. If u understand u are a man..

Dey Whine.
In this case, Its better for Ukraine give up bravely
Half a country is better than none atall.